From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Oct 3 21:30:27 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u93JSjih023354; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:29:00 +0200 Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09:0:0:0:230]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u93JJkFg026695 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:19:47 +0200 Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id f193so126069167wmg.0 for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dgaKbtzM5zaa/ax3j98tEdKKVDr5QP4Kxm0Jk5oq/S0=; b=WsXLLs5FgjLUpzWwI/oK4yB88QtV8y/BYGhXxmVgZg+OL9KnuFJhr8zX5DsEBZ+aNF gysQoEsvJyoqvEu5SmkDz78G4y7AXRXLr6ybLhjDpqHqS44ts5KzefWePcCxWWv8gyaF xuUioPR20vuZW+qxSWHBeVRdEjXZ/cSgne1L8VLGxpT6D4w8cBjZxzRpfZQ/N+30ROn3 3klx6DJK0pL2JFQq59YkLyBnn3RfjQqZtlxaEXBmkGDXWErUpXTvCWCR56hujzWo5fZV MFJ0S69Q+B3nnEo8ja1GG9jlmK+eDqCXcE4iucecDRNMlptvlPFanXl5770QBHA/NsQq Fw6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dgaKbtzM5zaa/ax3j98tEdKKVDr5QP4Kxm0Jk5oq/S0=; b=de2rzYTy8bi8g1zlGLttqv2MIjwxNiM5yrQHufyq/DSf7peMx/4XkplxMXBhBHpWrP CM/xH5f/8ZsfvrXloVY5cqANKX/IJ17inBxsE9c1jCHliBiQgv980Y9RhZRRY14VSqIm rmsEiAF5myBRjEJyeEzM15HCEbErWV0ZP+HJx9FrNwfXZV4B06vOOu0xelWghi1d7VA+ a115UTHlusghW/ZLlhfnQZ6GHApED0Hbzg4TV21JpJldbcyXClZpdTSzLpHf/0lzjEKG 9m0IYRv1fPRDw28C0lhBMD9qbRfm2E7mvhbK4G/xIqm+jhZyGX3Q3gfoutkX0m1sIt77 CPsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnfQk/hyEKr2dcWw/Djq2L3IpovjQm9/tTo2/bJzpKFr7JrrMfiD0BzVNSf/tsz7iQAjHwr4hymFKKBsQ== X-Received: by 10.194.242.1 with SMTP id wm1mr18710678wjc.145.1475522382340; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:19:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.134.243 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Olof Kindgren Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:19:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Frukostseminarie om Open Source Silicon To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id u93JJkFg026695 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 21:28:45 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id u93JSjih023354 Tjena FOSS Stockholm Jag heter Olof och hÃ¥ller pÃ¥ med Open Source främst inom FPGA/ASIC och inbyggda system och har tidigare pratat pÃ¥ bland annat FOSS GBG. Onsdag nästa vecka lämnar jag Göteborg för att hÃ¥lla ett frukostseminarium om Open Source Silicon i Kista. Tänkte att detta kanske kunde vara intressant för den här gruppen. Seminariet är gratis och vi bjuder pÃ¥ frukost. Mer info och registrering hittar ni här http://www.qamcom.se/media/event/breakfastseminar/ Hoppas fÃ¥ se nÃ¥gra nya och bekanta ansikten frÃ¥n Stockholms open source-värld. //Olof Kindgren _______________________________________________ https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Oct 4 22:26:17 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u94KPgEF018860; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 22:25:55 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u94KPe00018850 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 22:25:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (dast@localhost) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u94KPewE018847 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 22:25:40 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: giant.haxx.se: dast owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 22:25:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?p=E5minnelse=3A_n=E4sta_onsdag_sm=E4ller_det!?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="1129329158-2025823220-1475612740=:28134" X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" This message is in MIME format. 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De datumen jag föreslår är tis, ons eller tor vecka 2, 3 eller 4. Tills dess behöver vi dock: - Någon som kan ställa upp med lokal. Baserat på förra gången behövs en lokal i storleken ca 100-110 pers - Någon som kan sponsra lite dryck och lättare käk. Går gärna att kombinera med lokalsponsring - Presentationer! Vi har en del förslag/erbjudanden kvar på listan från förra gången men fler är alltid välkomna. Det har varit på tapeten också om vi ska börja köra presentationer på engelska mer som regel än undantag. Hur ställer ni er till det? /Claes _______________________________________________ https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Oct 28 11:12:18 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u9S9C2Fg010389; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:12:08 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u9S9C03c010278 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:12:00 +0200 Received: from localhost (dast@localhost) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u9S9C05O010270 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:12:00 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: giant.haxx.se: dast owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:12:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_N=E4sta_FOSS-Sthlm?= In-Reply-To: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> Message-ID: References: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="1129329158-171254322-1477645920=:14686" X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-171254322-1477645920=:14686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Claes Jakobsson wrote: > Det har varit på tapeten också om vi ska börja köra presentationer på > engelska mer som regel än undantag. Hur ställer ni er till det? Med frågan ställd på svenska till listan där alla (nästan säkert) redan pratar svenska. Jag gissar de flesta som läser den kan och föredrar svenska. Jag har dock pratat med ett flertal foss-intresserade personer den senaste månaden i Stockholm som inte kan tillräckligt med svenska för att hänga med på våra möten - de är inte heller med på den här svensktalande listan - och jag skulle gärna se att vi provar med något/några "dedikerade" engelsk-talande möten där vi presenterar allt på engelska och uttalat har presentationerna så. Erfarenheten säger att rätt stor andel av oss svensktalande stockholmare inte har något större emot att lyssna och prata engelska istället för svenska. Och för de som håller presentationerna: tja, det är bra övning! =) -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-171254322-1477645920=:14686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cHM6Ly93 d3cuZm9zcy1zdGhsbS5zZS8KaHR0cHM6Ly9jb29sLmhheHguc2UvY2dpLWJpbi9tYWlsbWFuL2xp c3RpbmZvL2Zvc3Mtc3RobG0K --1129329158-171254322-1477645920=:14686-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Oct 28 11:19:15 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u9S9J8H9015051; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:19:10 +0200 Received: from mail.oijk.net (mail.oijk.net [91.208.81.135]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u9S9J6bA015041 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:19:06 +0200 Received: (qmail 20424 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2016 09:18:46 -0000 Received: from gnitset ([10.11.11.51]) by mail.oijk.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 2016 11:18:46 +0200 From: Klas Meder Boqvist Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_N=C3=A4sta_FOSS-Sthlm?= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:19:06 +0200 References: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1612518162==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1612518162== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_43A01CED-2D71-4B54-AE52-93FDA414C660" --Apple-Mail=_43A01CED-2D71-4B54-AE52-93FDA414C660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg : >=20 > Och f=C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller presentationerna: tja, det =C3=A4r bra = =C3=B6vning! =3D) Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett = hinder f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare. Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte = ens p=C3=A5 ens modersm=C3=A5l. Det kommer s=C3=A4kert finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5gra problem, = men det kanske =C3=A4r sv=C3=A5rare att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya. =E2=80=94 Klas= --Apple-Mail=_43A01CED-2D71-4B54-AE52-93FDA414C660 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:

Och f=C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller = presentationerna: tja, det =C3=A4r bra =C3=B6vning! =3D)

Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5= blir ytterligare ett hinder f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya = talare.
Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r = 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte ens p=C3=A5 ens modersm=C3=A5l.

Det kommer s=C3=A4kert = finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5gra problem, men det kanske =C3=A4r = sv=C3=A5rare att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya.

=E2=80=94
Klas
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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --397150846-977539133-1477646977=:10244 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Claes Jakobsson wrote: > Det har varit pÃ¥ tapeten ocksÃ¥ om vi ska börja köra presentationer pÃ¥ > engelska mer som regel än undantag. Hur ställer ni er till det? Dragningarna blir mycket mer kompakta och tydliga ifall talaren använder sitt modersmÃ¥l. Antal fler lyssnare blir väldigt fÃ¥ om alla gÃ¥r över till engelska (till och med färre om vi räknar med de svenskar som somnar under föredragen). Om däremot talaren är engelsktalande sÃ¥ är det sÃ¥klart helt OK att det föredraget är pÃ¥ engelska (men resten pÃ¥ svenska). mvh Kjell --397150846-977539133-1477646977=:10244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cHM6Ly93 d3cuZm9zcy1zdGhsbS5zZS8KaHR0cHM6Ly9jb29sLmhheHguc2UvY2dpLWJpbi9tYWlsbWFuL2xp c3RpbmZvL2Zvc3Mtc3RobG0K --397150846-977539133-1477646977=:10244-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Oct 28 11:31:08 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u9S9V5tV022345; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:31:05 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u9S9V2lY022314 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:31:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (dast@localhost) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u9S9V2ij022311 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:31:02 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: giant.haxx.se: dast owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:31:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_N=E4sta_FOSS-Sthlm?= In-Reply-To: <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> Message-ID: References: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="1129329158-384231083-1477647047=:14686" Content-ID: X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-384231083-1477647047=:14686 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: > Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske också blir ytterligare ett hinder för > att få tag på nya talare. Inte nog med att tala för inför 100 pers med > mikrofon, nu inte ens på ens modersmål. A) Alla möten behöver ju inte vara på engelska B) Det öppnar också möjligheten för talare som inte kan svenska -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-384231083-1477647047=:14686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cHM6Ly93 d3cuZm9zcy1zdGhsbS5zZS8KaHR0cHM6Ly9jb29sLmhheHguc2UvY2dpLWJpbi9tYWlsbWFuL2xp c3RpbmZvL2Zvc3Mtc3RobG0K --1129329158-384231083-1477647047=:14686-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Oct 28 11:33:20 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u9S9XFVI023513; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:33:16 +0200 Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09:0:0:0:232]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u9S9XDGF023450 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:33:13 +0200 Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id n67so101179672wme.1 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vhbVpibbZLOZhVRAG3446KC8BvmR1Bo4sO9hPtua2VU=; b=aGh2e/zjiVqiXf7WgwnGLVDBuPOTCaQJnRnVDxn0F659VTb6yn7RW+lqh7tOWGbx4B LuxFKd4KHj/mEcrekQU+TuDIDRXRtA2Px/oiU2SYki4Cb+nTQK5TyRYlApBFtxQ5/n2G /dl2FOinlljISJlMCNZTzCwrdKh8/9uCHtGyxoZTS1P9zTMDXbm2KRIsqZgxqEzaCiDT YNbZYutd1yi51+x1yq9gUSMCDbOrxDN+Ln9D7ABFGUZlpWitAHFWi1X5ckJlWqQQxVyX VfD8v/AAJo2Rjpnxb45rI7j1mjCDpStW9DXkoLRw28iZjeu4FogBbOm2xVM4Ezv/fYys E0qQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vhbVpibbZLOZhVRAG3446KC8BvmR1Bo4sO9hPtua2VU=; b=MotL4y5ghbbg5XPz51VWgTGI3DMqlg/QV+HUybwex28OyypJN9sL4FMxiN1BCujlEd BgzvaXsmoZh9jxiESFUl5sgfY0LbMFlfbkdejN/9bEgdJx/avMJfTVL0SiKGB/PBu9qw tDFlc1+mpNO3EpZgxpCF2fcvg9xHx20SevGcuZF31HTAJIRnaG90wimdtIuNUJ2F3pSL 8QhS2+sV7KQH9jWOrzgB6yJUy5ez2EL4SeI2P7Cb4iTD7aifKNMO7VQLhHmfBhMpCPcD 0FeX5+RGV1h3fuD9oocwt/ac855cCxTxEAg2pm5xm5X2TLSEKB0b7luKEWeME1JRDTn9 I/Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvex+SPEWK8UIKKoP+Eucjgg7MF0LFu6PM67Ad7stwFtM65YYoe5UPiQ4DoxtaFQ0MWI4c4gkhJoNo+sIg== X-Received: by 10.194.229.7 with SMTP id sm7mr12777607wjc.150.1477647189066; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:33:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> In-Reply-To: From: Johan Thelin Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:32:58 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IE7DpHN0YSBGT1NTLVN0aGxt?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0507697182==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0507697182== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11365576cecdef053fe98b5e --001a11365576cecdef053fe98b5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I G=C3=B6teborg s=C3=A5 k=C3=B6r vi n=C3=A4stan alltid p=C3=A5 Engelska och= har inte haft problem med vare sig hitta talare eller att publiken somnar pga d=C3=A5ligt spr=C3= =A5k. MVH Johan On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM Daniel Stenberg wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: > > > Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett = hinder > f=C3=B6r > > att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare. Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf= =C3=B6r 100 pers med > > mikrofon, nu inte ens p=C3=A5 ens modersm=C3=A5l. > > A) Alla m=C3=B6ten beh=C3=B6ver ju inte vara p=C3=A5 engelska > > B) Det =C3=B6ppnar ocks=C3=A5 m=C3=B6jligheten f=C3=B6r talare som inte k= an svenska > > -- > > / daniel.haxx.se_______________________________________________ > https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --=20 --- Johan Thelin Recommended on-line reading: http://www.thelins.se | http://www.foss-gbg.se Recommended off-line reading: The Foundations of Qt Development (ISBN: 1-59059-831-8) --001a11365576cecdef053fe98b5e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I G=C3=B6teborg s=C3=A5 k=C3=B6r vi n=C3=A4stan alltid p= =C3=A5 Engelska och har inte haft problem med vare sig hitta talare eller a= tt publiken somnar pga d=C3=A5ligt spr=C3=A5k.

MVH
=

Johan

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote:

> Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett= hinder f=C3=B6r
> att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare. Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf= =C3=B6r 100 pers med
> mikrofon, nu inte ens p=C3=A5 ens modersm=C3=A5l.

A) Alla m=C3=B6ten beh=C3=B6ver ju inte vara p=C3=A5 engelska

B) Det =C3=B6ppnar ocks=C3=A5 m=C3=B6jligheten f=C3=B6r talare som inte kan= svenska

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Recommended o= n-line reading:
http://www.thelins.se<= /a> | http://www.foss-gbg.se
Reco= mmended off-line reading:
The Foundations of Qt Development (ISBN: 1-590= 59-831-8)
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Annars är det väl trots allt så att man knappt klarar sej i denna branchen om man inte åtminstonde har fullgod förståelse av engelska, så det borde inte vara några problem på det sättet kan man tycka. Med andra ord, det är nog bra att dela upp det och föra ihop engelskspråkiga presentationer till samma möten. Glenn 2016-10-28 11:32 GMT+02:00 Johan Thelin : > I Göteborg så kör vi nästan alltid på Engelska och har inte haft problem med > vare sig hitta talare eller att publiken somnar pga dåligt språk. > > MVH > > Johan > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM Daniel Stenberg wrote: >> >> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: >> >> > Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske också blir ytterligare ett hinder >> > för >> > att få tag på nya talare. 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Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:51:22 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id u9SApN8h017767 On 28/10/16 11:19, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: > 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg >: >> >> Och för de som håller presentationerna: tja, det är bra övning! =) > > Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske också blir ytterligare ett hinder > för att få tag på nya talare. > Inte nog med att tala för inför 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte ens på > ens modersmål. Precis. Jag skälv har bara kommit hit till Sverige två år sedan och visst har jag det lättare att lyssna på en presentation som ges på engelska. Men jag föredrar alltid (!) en bra presentation på svenska över en mindre bra presentation på engelska. Mitt intryck är att det ibland används för mycket engelska här i Sverige och kvalitén ibland lyder p.g.a. detta. Man kan ju artikulera sina tanker bäst i sitt eget språk. > Det kommer säkert finnas talare som inte har några problem, men det > kanske är svårare att få tag på nya. Som andra har redan sagt i den här tråden, det kommer att finnas mer talare som bara pratar engelska också. Men det vore jättesynd att tappa dem som känner sig tryggare på svenska och vågar inte eftersom "alla pratar engelska" Jag själv betvivlar att de få (som inte kan svenska) är värd det. Och det kanske är "en bra övning" för dem (åtminstone är det så för mig). Att ha engelska som ett alternativt språk för talare som är inte bra på svenska eller väldigt bra på engelska är okej, tycker jag. Att göra det till "huvudspråket" är jag väldigt skeptiskt till. _______________________________________________ https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Oct 28 12:57:58 2016 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTP id u9SAvqRD021173; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:57:54 +0200 Received: from nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.159]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u9SAvnVP021156 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:57:50 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1477652264; bh=kWj6bbCQMh59FP9der2eR05sbxy6XXJkAHOvP9jPVOU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=QK8GBganbJQNc3jQvNYLy+qUY6DOfmaixnImjlrCVxd/8zf0U/g6ik3rbT/x4rSl3eK03W4/vKl4cLoU8AoFYo/Aw9WtJSRSOoHKC7JQhQbYK0cBTJ3aazriXmUwQYu0k80Uy+ZN0P8WpZe1tX0bUWmd76Xv50Nkr8ePIqFcm05BQ61/J2HtyM/kXn3eF6IFdky/WCZhjkiBAoHnZzSgwOxRRIDFI1nSUaA+CefDEJhIkH5n/5rfq2GFt1Vpld/Bk4hp/38Tu3JyGxh8iZn0mlZ+rjMEbkqOFKOKh3Ptp7izCH3WMSvP7I6St3H+NaKTpBczW485gdVf2nLIoDYaew== Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2016 10:57:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2016 10:57:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2016 10:57:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 800424.10248.bm@omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: gqpJ1nYVM1lgNmDHKCLntYcVZF3RmZYIapVNvp5CLCX_48t0GeGOZulpCJgYLfZ i7OD94zXEpT1IO4rpdXGlPJYTEpl4227wnw6QsMqaDWe.hIpbRjLgFNLkhQlF.owbmoJ6NdCO69M kdMjymJp8xSX5ra7QtkBuri02uOnR9vIS.WyjSSQJHRLgemIMt4nh9cQO_o6cl5PRUvF33keg0mv vxjeEp6DoyS_uQYdgB9qyb2YyZycntlBW71q8KSk0egaAUIOibInUodM.22PXtkoDqjVOzafI39n W0jsLoOlf75CYtRNCrx5qbhAz3VM152zwggzSJ9zL2Qj2ilUaKbAqfGTmfbKDAVRJyGOQFu7TWW5 4N4KEeU2JLbZxHQJ_hUd_OFGBMB0iZpYNUUVghMSR_51lK_LXG5hndvtXLyst6EyhxSI6zBFysEP ZTqRQbG5E1YztzV8HQCEokfLZJylgFUunkTUdN1QJMn0htey9PYG53nq5g84etsdJeun9HqLDk1v 1ZITOfLRNCVxdJzj2YHNNg1V.aQ-- Received: from jws200004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws165.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:57:44 +0000; 1477652264.439 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:57:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Binan AL Halabi To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Message-ID: <1737354452.370724.1477652262186@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3DE7E513-9EAF-49C1-982B-E8ECC5EF9F61@surfar.nu> <618FFAAD-448D-44D0-94D3-F3D7002F0F19@servern.info> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?SV:_N=C3=A4sta_FOSS-Sthlm?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Binan AL Halabi , FOSS-folk i Stockholm Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1119828252==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1119828252== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_370723_1069086991.1477652262184" ------=_Part_370723_1069086991.1477652262184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jag kunde inte f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5r allting p=C3=A5 sista FOSS m=C3=B6te. Jag = har grundl=C3=A4ggande niv=C3=A5 p=C3=A5 Svenska. I prefer we talk english as all in the branch talk English. /Binan =20 Den fredag, 28 oktober 2016 12:52 skrev "Rondom@rondom.de" : =20 On 28/10/16 11:19, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: > 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg >: >> >> Och f=C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller presentationerna: tja, det =C3=A4r bra = =C3=B6vning! =3D) >=20 > Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett hi= nder > f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare. > Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte = ens p=C3=A5 > ens modersm=C3=A5l. Precis. Jag sk=C3=A4lv har bara kommit hit till Sverige tv=C3=A5 =C3=A5r se= dan och visst har jag det l=C3=A4ttare att lyssna p=C3=A5 en presentation som ges p= =C3=A5 engelska. Men jag f=C3=B6redrar alltid (!) en bra presentation p=C3=A5 sven= ska =C3=B6ver en mindre bra presentation p=C3=A5 engelska. Mitt intryck =C3=A4r att det ibland anv=C3=A4nds f=C3=B6r mycket engelska h= =C3=A4r i Sverige och kvalit=C3=A9n ibland lyder p.g.a. detta. Man kan ju artikulera sina tanker b=C3=A4st i sitt eget spr=C3=A5k. > Det kommer s=C3=A4kert finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5gra problem, men= det > kanske =C3=A4r sv=C3=A5rare att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya. Som andra har redan sagt i den h=C3=A4r tr=C3=A5den, det kommer att finnas = mer talare som bara pratar engelska ocks=C3=A5. Men det vore j=C3=A4ttesynd att= tappa dem som k=C3=A4nner sig tryggare p=C3=A5 svenska och v=C3=A5gar inte efters= om "alla pratar engelska" Jag sj=C3=A4lv betvivlar att de f=C3=A5 (som inte kan svenska) =C3=A4r v=C3= =A4rd det. Och det kanske =C3=A4r "en bra =C3=B6vning" f=C3=B6r dem (=C3=A5tminstone =C3= =A4r det s=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r mig). Att ha engelska som ett alternativt spr=C3=A5k f=C3=B6r talare som =C3=A4r = inte bra p=C3=A5 svenska eller v=C3=A4ldigt bra p=C3=A5 engelska =C3=A4r okej, tycker jag. Att g=C3=B6ra det till "huvudspr=C3=A5ket" =C3=A4r jag v=C3=A4ldigt skeptis= kt till. _______________________________________________ https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm =20 ------=_Part_370723_1069086991.1477652262184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jag kunde inte f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5r allting p= =C3=A5 sista FOSS m=C3=B6te. Jag har grundl=C3=A4ggande niv=C3=A5 p=C3=A5 Svenska.
I prefer we talk english as all in the branch t= alk English.

/Binan


Den fredag, 28 oktober 2016 12:52 skrev "Ron= dom@rondom.de" <Rondom@rondom.de>:


On 28/10/16 11:19, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote:
> 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg <= daniel@haxx.se
> <mailto:daniel@haxx.se= >>:
>>
>> Och f= =C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller presentationerna: tja, det =C3=A4r bra =C3=B6vni= ng! =3D)
>
> Visst kan det vara = det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett hinder
> f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare.
> = Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte en= s p=C3=A5
> ens modersm=C3=A5l.

Precis. Jag sk=C3=A4lv har bara kommit hit till Sverige tv= =C3=A5 =C3=A5r sedan och
visst har jag det l=C3=A4ttare a= tt lyssna p=C3=A5 en presentation som ges p=C3=A5
engelsk= a. Men jag f=C3=B6redrar alltid (!) en bra presentation p=C3=A5 svenska
=C3=B6ver en mindre bra presentation p=C3=A5 engelska.

Mitt intryck =C3=A4r att det ibland anv=C3= =A4nds f=C3=B6r mycket engelska h=C3=A4r i Sverige
och kv= alit=C3=A9n ibland lyder p.g.a. detta. Man kan ju artikulera sina
tanker b=C3=A4st i sitt eget spr=C3=A5k.

> Det kommer s=C3=A4kert finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5= gra problem, men det
> kanske =C3=A4r sv=C3=A5rare att= f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya.

Som andra ha= r redan sagt i den h=C3=A4r tr=C3=A5den, det kommer att finnas mer
talare som bara pratar engelska ocks=C3=A5. Men det vore j=C3=A4t= tesynd att tappa
dem som k=C3=A4nner sig tryggare p=C3=A5= svenska och v=C3=A5gar inte eftersom "alla
pratar engels= ka"

Jag sj=C3=A4lv betvivlar att de f= =C3=A5 (som inte kan svenska) =C3=A4r v=C3=A4rd det. Och
= det kanske =C3=A4r "en bra =C3=B6vning" f=C3=B6r dem (=C3=A5tminstone =C3= =A4r det s=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r mig).
Att ha engelska som ett a= lternativt spr=C3=A5k f=C3=B6r talare som =C3=A4r inte bra p=C3=A5
svenska eller v=C3=A4ldigt bra p=C3=A5 engelska =C3=A4r okej, tyc= ker jag.
Att g=C3=B6ra det till "huvudspr=C3=A5ket" =C3= =A4r jag v=C3=A4ldigt skeptiskt till.

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(V=C3=A4ljer man n=C3=A5got annat spr=C3=A5k =C3=A4n det f=C3=A5r man nog r= =C3=A4kna med att antalet =C3=A5h=C3=B6rare som f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5r blir begr=C3=A4nsat:) /Josef Den 2016-10-28 kl. 19:09, skrev Rondom@rondom.de: > On 28/10/16 11:19, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote: >> 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg > >: >>> >>> Och f=C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller presentationerna: tja, det =C3=A4r bra = =C3=B6vning! =3D) >> >> Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare ett h= inder >> f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare. >> Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r 100 pers med mikrofon, nu inte= ens p=C3=A5 >> ens modersm=C3=A5l. > > Precis. Jag sk=C3=A4lv har bara kommit hit till Sverige tv=C3=A5 =C3=A5r = sedan och > visst har jag det l=C3=A4ttare att lyssna p=C3=A5 en presentation som ges= p=C3=A5 > engelska. Men jag f=C3=B6redrar alltid (!) en bra presentation p=C3=A5 sv= enska > =C3=B6ver en mindre bra presentation p=C3=A5 engelska. > > Mitt intryck =C3=A4r att det ibland anv=C3=A4nds f=C3=B6r mycket engelska= h=C3=A4r i Sverige > och kvalit=C3=A9n ibland lyder p.g.a. detta. Man kan ju artikulera sina > tanker b=C3=A4st i sitt eget spr=C3=A5k. > >> Det kommer s=C3=A4kert finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5gra problem, me= n det >> kanske =C3=A4r sv=C3=A5rare att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya. > > Som andra har redan sagt i den h=C3=A4r tr=C3=A5den, det kommer att finna= s mer > talare som bara pratar engelska ocks=C3=A5. Men det vore j=C3=A4ttesynd a= tt tappa > dem som k=C3=A4nner sig tryggare p=C3=A5 svenska och v=C3=A5gar inte efte= rsom "alla > pratar engelska" > > Jag sj=C3=A4lv betvivlar att de f=C3=A5 (som inte kan svenska) =C3=A4r v= =C3=A4rd det. Och > det kanske =C3=A4r "en bra =C3=B6vning" f=C3=B6r dem (=C3=A5tminstone =C3= =A4r det s=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r mig). > Att ha engelska som ett alternativt spr=C3=A5k f=C3=B6r talare som =C3=A4= r inte bra p=C3=A5 > svenska eller v=C3=A4ldigt bra p=C3=A5 engelska =C3=A4r okej, tycker jag. > Att g=C3=B6ra det till "huvudspr=C3=A5ket" =C3=A4r jag v=C3=A4ldigt skept= iskt till. > > > _______________________________________________ > https://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > https://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --001a1148e3ee6bdfa8053ff96391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

G=C3=B6r det enkelt - l=C3=A5t talarna h=C3=A5lla sig p=C3= =A5 de spr=C3=A5k de
sj=C3=A4lva f=C3=B6redrar och k=C3=A4nner sig bekv=C3=A4ma med - de flesta = av oss hanterar ju minst b=C3=A5de svenska och engelska.
(V=C3=A4ljer man n=C3=A5got annat spr=C3=A5k =C3=A4n det f=C3=A5r man nog r= =C3=A4kna med att antalet =C3=A5h=C3=B6rare som f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5r blir begr= =C3=A4nsat:)

/Josef

Den 2016-10-28 kl. 19:09, skrev Rondom@rondom.de:
> On 28/10/16 11:19, Klas Meder Boqvist wrote:
>> 28 okt. 2016 kl. 11:12 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se
>> <mailto:daniel@haxx.se>= ;>:
>>>
>>> Och f=C3=B6r de som h=C3=A5ller presentationerna: tja, det =C3= =A4r bra =C3=B6vning! =3D)
>>
>> Visst kan det vara det, men det kanske ocks=C3=A5 blir ytterligare= ett hinder
>> f=C3=B6r att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya talare.
>> Inte nog med att tala f=C3=B6r inf=C3=B6r 100 pers med mikrofon, n= u inte ens p=C3=A5
>> ens modersm=C3=A5l.
>
> Precis. Jag sk=C3=A4lv har bara kommit hit till Sverige tv=C3=A5 =C3= =A5r sedan och
> visst har jag det l=C3=A4ttare att lyssna p=C3=A5 en presentation som = ges p=C3=A5
> engelska. Men jag f=C3=B6redrar alltid (!) en bra presentation p=C3=A5= svenska
> =C3=B6ver en mindre bra presentation p=C3=A5 engelska.
>
> Mitt intryck =C3=A4r att det ibland anv=C3=A4nds f=C3=B6r mycket engel= ska h=C3=A4r i Sverige
> och kvalit=C3=A9n ibland lyder p.g.a. detta. Man kan ju artikulera sin= a
> tanker b=C3=A4st i sitt eget spr=C3=A5k.
>
>> Det kommer s=C3=A4kert finnas talare som inte har n=C3=A5gra probl= em, men det
>> kanske =C3=A4r sv=C3=A5rare att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 nya.
>
> Som andra har redan sagt i den h=C3=A4r tr=C3=A5den, det kommer att fi= nnas mer
> talare som bara pratar engelska ocks=C3=A5. Men det vore j=C3=A4ttesyn= d att tappa
> dem som k=C3=A4nner sig tryggare p=C3=A5 svenska och v=C3=A5gar inte e= ftersom "alla
> pratar engelska"
>
> Jag sj=C3=A4lv betvivlar att de f=C3=A5 (som inte kan svenska) =C3=A4r= v=C3=A4rd det. Och
> det kanske =C3=A4r "en bra =C3=B6vning" f=C3=B6r dem (=C3=A5= tminstone =C3=A4r det s=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r mig).
> Att ha engelska som ett alternativt spr=C3=A5k f=C3=B6r talare som =C3= =A4r inte bra p=C3=A5
> svenska eller v=C3=A4ldigt bra p=C3=A5 engelska =C3=A4r okej, tycker j= ag.
> Att g=C3=B6ra det till "huvudspr=C3=A5ket" =C3=A4r jag v=C3= =A4ldigt skeptiskt till.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> https://www.foss-sthlm.se/<= br> > h= ttps://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>

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