From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 3 21:37:47 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA3KbDbq008863; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:37:25 +0100 Received: from yaalr.org ([IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe96:4c9]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA3KbB9F008853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:37:12 +0100 Received: from jeremiah by yaalr.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XlONE-0005St-2l for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:37:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:37:12 +0100 From: "Jeremiah C. Foster" To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA3KbDbq008863 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Johan wrote: > För den intresserade så finns det en intressant blogpost om bankappen Swish > och ett eventuellt fynd av GPL-kod i den som ingen vill kännas vid. Koden > är "Moxie Marlinspike's1 AndroidPinning to be precise, licensed under the > GPLv3" > > http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service/ Great blog post. > Läs gärna i kommentarerna där personen som har skrivit kodbiblioteket > uttalar sig på Twitter att han inte känner till det. > > En fråga till er som är erfarna inom FOSS hur gör man i ett sådant här > fall? I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact those who distribute the software and/or contact the author. > Dvs när man tror att någon använder FOSS utan att följa licensvillkoren? There are a number of organizations that you can turn to. In this thread someone mentioned gplviolations.org. That is a good organization. Their lawyer, Till Jaeger, has never lost a case on the GPL in Germany. There are other organizations however, like the Free Software Foundation, Software Freedom Law Center, and the Free Software Foundation Europe. FSFE would likely be a very good place to start because there are a lot of reasonable and knowledgeable people there. > Vad krävs för att bevisa att man använder viss kod, räcker det med en > disassemblering eller måste utgivaren erkänna att han använder det? Very often if you can demonstrate, through disassembly or decomposing ELF headers or other binary tricks, that the binary in question contains GPL strings and/or code, then often you can reach an agreement. The FSF has dozens of ongoing cases of this type and often they're settled behind closed doors. The distrbutor of the code (utgivaren) is rarely the software developer. In most cases it is the device manufacturer who's added some code without doing due diligence on the code base they've received from a supplier. Whether the distributor admits or not, they're responsible for all the licenses of all the code they ship on their device. Cheers, Jeremiah > > /Johan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 3 21:45:04 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA3KinbT015951; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:44:52 +0100 Received: from yaalr.org ([IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe96:4c9]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA3KilIE015944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:44:47 +0100 Received: from jeremiah by yaalr.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XlOUb-0005Tn-9G for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:44:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:44:49 +0100 From: "Jeremiah C. Foster" To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA3KinbT015951 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 08:19:33PM +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Johan wrote: > > > > http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service/ > > > > "Swish, developed by HiQ for Sweden's six major banks (Danske Bank, > Handelsbanken, Länsförsäkringar Bank, Nordea, SEB and Swedbank/Sparbankerna), > lets its users send and receive instant payments without the hassle of > bank transfers." > > Finns det någon från HiQ här på listan? > > > En fråga till er som är erfarna inom FOSS hur gör man i ett sådant här > > fall? > > Dvs när man tror att någon använder FOSS utan att följa licensvillkoren? > > Vad krävs för att bevisa att man använder viss kod, räcker det med en > > disassemblering eller måste utgivaren erkänna att han använder det? > > Jag tror att det vanligaste är att någon utvecklare av misstag, stress och > obetänksamhet har begått misstag. I de flesta fall jag hört talas > har det gått att resonera och licensproblemen lösts. Sure, it is easy to make a cut and paste mistake. But you're still responsible for all the software you ship and complying with all of the licenses. This means that the Swish people likely are at fault for not scanning their code. The fact that they don't know for sure about what is in their system is an indication they haven't done their due diligence. > Om det finns något rättsprejudikat i Sverige vet jag inte, utan det tror > jag det blir svårt att säga något vettigt om vad som händer om en > leverantör skulle streta emot. Software is covered by copyright and copyright is an international treaty governed by the Berne convention to which Sweden is a signatory. If a Swedish company is violating the GPL they can face significant legal consequences. In some cases you can be forced to pay legal fees as well as purchase a new license. But imagine if you develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult to say the least. > Jag har svårt att tänka mig att en > sansad jurist skulle rekommendera en slarvig utvecklare att låta ett > slikt ärende gå vidare till domstol. Its not the developers that often get sued. Its usually those who distribute the code with the device, after all, they're the ones with the money. > Harald Welte har hållt på med GPL-violations i många år, här finns lite > mer att läsa. > > http://gpl-violations.org/ > > Ilja > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Nov 4 09:54:06 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA48rcYd027331; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:53:49 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com (mail-ob0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA48rZYZ026879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:53:36 +0100 Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id vb8so5501700obc.37 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 00:53:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+FzSdSSQNAMYLu7H4FH7LPpCPDAu+lUJ4b5C6+eCILQ=; b=dNA9rshze7ImIWJM4OyJveeG79JpTADOv+KgbTDT3kioq6SH04gIjbLav51iAkHVRX 12cQ11gIGtWd+X+/u2TGTE5ysqSZyP5U5Pmi3hkIivXNFmqjr28LWHmCBzyFL69z7Na1 /16Vk4ENu+qPndamr4OUjXrxu1pGDTy6uXNxG27jF5ZOivlvjxMlbgdONzGveZ1u8Dlj MurD035vccgPxoRNHquVXj75CKneSxtEmrOZ+HvxOT29Le5VtoQKd71iYgWfTaNkEOhm 5QUpckoVr+7dVopEGz5+NIjb/J3ekqtTsgOBsJZyCHmVB7pkW/l6QTa2wHZN3w+ES372 4YFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.82.163 with SMTP id j3mr41519269oey.13.1415091210283; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 00:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.189.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 00:53:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> References: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Misst=C3=A4nkt_FOSS_i_bankappen_Swish=3F?= From: Johan To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0996775687==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0996775687== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5dbcfae9f3db05070498fe --047d7b5dbcfae9f3db05070498fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact those > who distribute the software and/or contact the author. > > Jag har gjort detta och detta var svaret jag fick. Svar SEB Internet Support Hej! Tack f=C3=B6r ditt meddelande. Swish-appen f=C3=B6r Android inneh=C3=A5ller en GPL v2-fil. Den filen =C3= =A4r en restprodukt fr=C3=A5n de initiala testerna och har aldrig anv=C3=A4nts. D= =C3=A4rf=C3=B6r finns ingen anledning att sl=C3=A4ppa k=C3=A4llkoden. Vi kommer inom kort sl=C3= =A4ppa en ny version av appen utan denna restfil. Med v=C3=A4nlig h=C3=A4lsning SEB Carina Floden /Johan --047d7b5dbcfae9f3db05070498fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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SEB
Carina Floden


/Johan
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Foster" To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141104103428.GA24586@yaalr.org> References: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA4AYTXL003538 On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:53:30AM +0100, Johan wrote: > > I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact those > > who distribute the software and/or contact the author. > > > > Jag har gjort detta och detta var svaret jag fick. > > Svar SEB Internet Support > Hej! > Tack för ditt meddelande. > > Swish-appen för Android innehåller en GPL v2-fil. Jaså? Bara en? ;-) > Den filen är en > restprodukt från de initiala testerna och har aldrig använts. Därför finns > ingen anledning att släppa källkoden. Vi kommer inom kort släppa en ny > version av appen utan denna restfil. > > Med vänlig hälsning > SEB > > Carina Floden > > /Johan Jag har följt diskusionen på facebook och de säger samma sak där. Men någonting är lite skumt fortfarande. De har varit inkonsekvent tycker jag och jag vill att de kommer med mycker mer information än de har kommit med hittills. Cheers, Jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Nov 4 11:46:28 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA4AkMMH031670; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:46:24 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA4AkKJf031597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:46:21 +0100 Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id uy5so10490576obc.40 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:46:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1Z3aKMFqzrQzl1LqJepTV7eiBeABkE85abQWWCnm00c=; b=dmfDLRtyLv6CL0uWO54oYwx3d90VEjSAJEVn1E2auYGT4H9iZfau4haasD8WvrDzaz x69tGG8GbH0AFxu0LvJ1i5KfUe5PHNj2PsGehfX6AIGev+o6V+Qp2PqnI/QyhTJYMi19 0QAi3JXLjFPJQVW6eUsTtB8OQnJJ6Y6DwWDU5tWyAPVcTalNMe47VrgpRC0qjNktghlG aGKR+yL9ehowpNJIatUXqOtelwtSH6okrJm3U3Nj0cpvSfrzX//3yxM93D4zzJoXbhtf uhalg8XeNu3DM8QpJi/3vjpMM2yY7w/q/q/aQZZGgvij4DUq1KIsK7ta7mh81YjLU6Js TZKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.132.7 with SMTP id oq7mr1155526oeb.61.1415097975344; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.189.11 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 02:46:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141104103428.GA24586@yaalr.org> References: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> <20141104103428.GA24586@yaalr.org> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:46:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Misst=C3=A4nkt_FOSS_i_bankappen_Swish=3F?= From: Johan To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0323623798==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0323623798== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b4722ae2492f50507062ca8 --047d7b4722ae2492f50507062ca8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Den 4 november 2014 11:34 skrev Jeremiah C. Foster < jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com>: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:53:30AM +0100, Johan wrote: > > > I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact those > > > who distribute the software and/or contact the author. > > > > > > Jag har gjort detta och detta var svaret jag fick. > > > > Svar SEB Internet Support > > Hej! > > Tack f=C3=B6r ditt meddelande. > > > > Swish-appen f=C3=B6r Android inneh=C3=A5ller en GPL v2-fil. > > Jas=C3=A5? Bara en? ;-) > > Jo det =C3=A4r ju ocks=C3=A5 m=C3=A4rkligt att det biblioteket som n=C3=A4m= ndes i den ursprungliga blogposten var licensierat under GPLv3. ( https://github.com/moxie0/AndroidPinning) Jag tror att de sitter och kodar om applikationen nu och kommer att sl=C3= =A4ppa en uppdatering snart. /Johan --047d7b4722ae2492f50507062ca8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Den 4 november 2014 11:34 skrev Jeremiah C. Foster &l= t;jeremiah= @jeremiahfoster.com>:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:53:30AM +0100, Jo= han wrote:
> > I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact th= ose
> > who distribute the software and/or contact the author.
> >
> > Jag har gjort detta och detta var svaret jag fick.
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> Svar SEB Internet Support
> Hej!
> Tack f=C3=B6r ditt meddelande.
>
> Swish-appen f=C3=B6r Android inneh=C3=A5ller en GPL v2-fil.

Jas=C3=A5? Bara en? ;-)


Jo det =C3=A4r = ju ocks=C3=A5 m=C3=A4rkligt att det biblioteket som n=C3=A4mndes i den ursp= rungliga blogposten var licensierat under GPLv3. (https://github.com/moxie0/AndroidPinning)
Jag tror att de sitter och kodar om = applikationen nu och kommer att sl=C3=A4ppa en uppdatering snart.

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/Johan
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(mattias@okfn.se@[193.44.1.81]) by 83.168.226.42 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 4 Nov 2014 15:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <5458F129.4060801@okfn.se> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:30:49 +0100 From: Mattias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: Vad =?UTF-8?B?w7Zuc2thciBkdSBhdiBmb3NzLXN0aGxtPw==?= References: <5450A4DE.1090908@crypt.se> <1414571859.24932.1.camel@arrakis.se> In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA4FPIOB008256 Hej FOSS-sthlm! Jag skulle vilja önska något kring öppna (länkade) data i offentlig & privat sektor, samt lära känna vad FOSS-sthlms besökare & engagerade tänker, känner och vill inom området. T.ex. vad behövs för att offentlig sektor i Sverige ska bli bättre? Hur får vi offentlig (& privat sektor) att dra nytta av FOSS i IT-arbete som involverar Öppna Data? Får hemskt gärna vara i relation kring hur det kan användas med all den FOSS-mjukvara som finns kring det, t.ex. OKFNs projekt CKAN, FROIDE eller MySocietys programvara Alaveteli. Annars vore det superspännande med ett evenemang om kreativt användande av Öppna Data, eller bra exempel på processer kring frigörande & användande av öppna data i Sverige så här långt och vad nästa steg är! Med vänliga hälsningar, Mattias Gemenskapsansvarig Open Knowledge Sverige http://okfn.se https://twitter.com/okfse https://quitter.com/okfse https://diasp.eu/u/OKFNSE https://www.facebook.com/OpenSweden On 31/10/14 15:38, Per Andersson wrote: > 2014-10-29 9:37 GMT+01:00 Andreas Olsson : >> ons 2014-10-29 klockan 09:27 +0100 skrev Johan Svensson: >>> Antar att det är ok att vara subjektiv. I så fall: Ljudtema! Skapa >>> (o)ljud, musik och effekter med fri och öppen programvara. >> Något åt ljud- alt. videohållet skulle helt klart kunna vara skoj. > Jag är också intresserad av detta! Vi i Labb 17 har gjort en del sånt. > Både elektronik och med fri programvara. > > Se t ex Nya Perspektivs hemsida för en syntverkstad med Raspberry Pi, > Arduino, och Pure Data > > http://www.nyaperspektiv.se/news/?page_id=1371 > http://www.nyaperspektiv.se/news/?page_id=1369 > > Har även en kompis som är medgrundare till Libre Music Production. > Om intresse finns kanske vi kan betala en resa från Göteborg för ett > föredrag och/eller workshop > > http://libremusicproduction.com/ > > Han driver även Libre Graphics Production, väl värd en genomläsning > > http://libregraphicsproduction.com/ > > > -- > Per > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Nov 4 17:03:14 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA4G31xY018027; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 17:03:07 +0100 Received: from mail.solvare.se (ns1.solvare.se [178.16.217.67]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA4G31UU017901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2014 17:03:01 +0100 Received: from platt-1800.sodersunda (90-229-134-131-no52.tbcn.telia.com [::ffff:90.229.134.131]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 christian@solvare.se, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.solvare.se with esmtp; Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:06:24 +0100 id 007C6D58.5458F980.00001C96 Message-ID: <5458F897.4040500@solvare.se> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:02:31 +0100 From: Christian Huldt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TWlzc3TDpG5rdCBGT1NTIGkgYmFua2FwcGVuIFN3aXNoPw==?= References: <20141103203712.GA20975@yaalr.org> <20141104103428.GA24586@yaalr.org> In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA4G31xY018027 Johan skrev 2014-11-04 11:46: > > > Den 4 november 2014 11:34 skrev Jeremiah C. Foster > >: > > On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:53:30AM +0100, Johan wrote: > > > I think you do what the original blog post author did, contact those > > > who distribute the software and/or contact the author. > > > > > > Jag har gjort detta och detta var svaret jag fick. > > > > Svar SEB Internet Support > > Hej! > > Tack för ditt meddelande. > > > > Swish-appen för Android innehåller en GPL v2-fil. > > Jaså? Bara en? ;-) > > > Jo det är ju också märkligt att det biblioteket som nämndes i den > ursprungliga blogposten var licensierat under GPLv3. > (https://github.com/moxie0/AndroidPinning) > > Jag tror att de sitter och kodar om applikationen nu och kommer att > släppa en uppdatering snart. Men ett brott är ett brott eller? Med deras senaste kvartalsrapport borde de kunna ge moxie en miljard utan att gå med förlust... _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Nov 6 21:04:37 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA6K3uQl009229; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:04:09 +0100 Received: from lakridstrollet.regexp.se (lakridstrollet.regexp.se [46.253.202.186]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA6K3teD009150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:03:55 +0100 Received: by lakridstrollet.regexp.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 539F727068C; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:03:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 21:03:51 +0100 From: Ilja Hallberg To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA6K3uQl009229 On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > > > > > En fråga till er som är erfarna inom FOSS hur gör man i ett sådant här > > > fall? > > > Dvs när man tror att någon använder FOSS utan att följa licensvillkoren? > > > Vad krävs för att bevisa att man använder viss kod, räcker det med en > > > disassemblering eller måste utgivaren erkänna att han använder det? > > > > Jag tror att det vanligaste är att någon utvecklare av misstag, stress och > > obetänksamhet har begått misstag. I de flesta fall jag hört talas > > har det gått att resonera och licensproblemen lösts. > > Sure, it is easy to make a cut and paste mistake. But you're still > responsible for all the software you ship and complying with all of > the licenses. This means that the Swish people likely are at fault for > not scanning their code. The fact that they don't know for sure about > what is in their system is an indication they haven't done their due > diligence. Jag tror alla på listan är överens om att någon av HiQ eller Swish har gjort fel. Frågan gällde vad man kan göra för att lösa problemet. I de flesta fall tror jag det går att lösa problemet utan konflikt. > > Om det finns något rättsprejudikat i Sverige vet jag inte, utan det tror > > jag det blir svårt att säga något vettigt om vad som händer om en > > leverantör skulle streta emot. > > Software is covered by copyright and copyright is an international > treaty governed by the Berne convention to which Sweden is a > signatory. If a Swedish company is violating the GPL they can face > significant legal consequences. In some cases you can be forced to pay > legal fees as well as purchase a new license. Ja, det är den teoretiska bakgrunden. Hur det fungerar i praktiken i sverige är som sagt vårt att säga utan prejudikat från ett rättsfall, jag gissar att ingen här på listan känner till något sådant? > But imagine if you > develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to > use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the > linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult > to say the least. Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsrättsbrott kan döma någon att inte få använda linux eller android? Det låter orimligt. > > Jag har svårt att tänka mig att en > > sansad jurist skulle rekommendera en slarvig utvecklare att låta ett > > slikt ärende gå vidare till domstol. > > Its not the developers that often get sued. Its usually those who > distribute the code with the device, after all, they're the ones with > the money. Vem juristen än pratar med, den tjuvande utvecklaren eller distributören, så tror jag som sagt att det sansade rådet är att lösa problemet utan att gå vidare till domstol. Jag tycker att det är bra om den här sortens problem kan lösas på ett sånt sätt att öppna licenser inte får ett slokörat rykte som något farligt bland större organisationer; för så minns jag att det var i början på 90-talet, sedan dess har det blivit bättre. Trots allt tror jag de flesta vill se mer öppen källkod i användning, även om spelreglerna såklart måste följas. Ilja _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Nov 7 13:09:36 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7C8udZ011059; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:09:11 +0100 Received: from mail-vc0-x235.google.com (mail-vc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7C8sm9010926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:08:55 +0100 Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hy10so1614348vcb.26 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1nBz3/6tB/+xNUJstdpPPjt5aBr16axCjNTaZSoylLw=; b=eBcykvW4hv3GrzFo8avicuKu0pkWTTRcvrXB8oKs+0IRL9NBMIoQ6PUxlwJlRaRv4U 20UcQAkSD8QCw19h43j3/qin8lBvo23+d18HYFCZBe5EdXan+NoH46Svoi7BM0Abzk1I S5L1al04ByviKhSm/0ZzIb+9MoQn/96d3AHbFS/XzYkirHtErPnoSlh3HpO3RKkKbtZp LxTgZn0deTbUOYX1/q2TPt2Mo3S7U/3HX7asovsyJzkp7mgTuj3F5xpBWsP8CR29v5ri P1q6BPnFo7KExsSbjT9y0mMfDEmJA4Dby1X/nl5fQwc7KEAQxgseeYk23bQdZ8Okfl3F Olrg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.136.80 with SMTP id py16mr3809605vdb.54.1415362128483; Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.53.139 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:08:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Nya upphandlingar From: Daniel Melin To: foss-sthlm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0675792257==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0675792257== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52d4dade59dff050743ac1f --bcaec52d4dade59dff050743ac1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Idag har Statens ink=C3=B6pscentral annonserat de sista tv=C3=A5 upphandlin= garna inom programvaror och tj=C3=A4nster. 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From: Alexander Bessman To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:19:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:22:05 +0100 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0304792456==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0304792456== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hWajzCZKHn/zTqcPPtzu" --=-hWajzCZKHn/zTqcPPtzu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > > But imagine if you > > develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to > > use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the > > linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult > > to say the least. >=20 > Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsr=C3=A4ttsbrott kan= =20 > d=C3=B6ma n=C3=A5gon att inte f=C3=A5 anv=C3=A4nda linux eller android? D= et l=C3=A5ter orimligt. GPLv2 inneh=C3=A5ller f=C3=B6ljande paragraf: 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License. Det betyder att man f=C3=B6rlorar r=C3=A4tten b=C3=A5de att anv=C3=A4nda oc= h att sprida vidare programvara som t=C3=A4cks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryter mot licensen. Detta fungerar inte p=C3=A5 samma s=C3=A4tt i GPLv3, d=C3=A4r man automatis= kt =C3=A5terf=C3=A5r r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda och sprida programvaran s=C3=A5 fort man =C3= =A5tg=C3=A4rdar ett licensbrott. // Alexander --=-hWajzCZKHn/zTqcPPtzu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJUXLjHAAoJENz9uSVFPXeFmHIH/1p4T5ZbXzUMIjVABSI+IY7S YZPlKafSrK6vFrOf1vOUP41BMDn1kb1igAn3r2+p0RNq/WUVamOkVOXpt6NYpL1x Ghb4gpp0+5WhZovaFjL/QJX6myyrZvTtYduy+wulcw8XLLrHBUZr6p5kCclqI+AG wzYqOQPmEax6WxNsP075DJ5rxbJLqhB5dgMl7DSue6xVbuhPnP9eL/nKofYwysCo 5oNCK0DaG0R0HDgI1afW2vyJsT8cv+CFesF5xVnMIE7HZlz+FOPH6j4AdMF9As3Z 5LDrBMEfXJeSR2J1VrpqO8KqBlOAc9k9AHlG7M6MWQ5UtmVOOEG9GPn8tLaQGQc= =/UDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hWajzCZKHn/zTqcPPtzu-- --===============0304792456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5mb3NzLXN0aGxtLnNlLwpodHRwOi8vY29vbC5oYXh4LnNlL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9mb3NzLXN0aGxtCg== --===============0304792456==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Nov 7 14:04:33 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7CVw9e015074; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:32:02 +0100 Received: from mail-prod-route04.it.su.se (mail-prod-route04.it.su.se [77.238.37.130]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7CVuMw015068 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:31:56 +0100 Received: from e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (e-mailfilter02.sunet.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:8:2::202]) by mail-prod-route04.it.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3jZ1F82g1gz1FBJ for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:31:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.su.se (mail-prod-smtp01.it.su.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:5:1213:250:56ff:fe94:3d10]) by e-mailfilter02.sunet.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id sA7CVtjA017282 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:31:55 +0100 Received: from Jannes-MacBook-Pro.local (210.216.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [62.181.216.210]) (Authenticated sender: jj) by smtp.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3jZ1F755Ktz17 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:31:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:31:55 +0100 From: Janne Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TWlzc3TDpG5rdCBGT1NTIGkgYmFua2FwcGVuIFN3aXNoPw==?= References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> In-Reply-To: <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outbound, outbound-su-se:default, su-se:default, base:default, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 7.50] X-CanIt-Geo: ip=62.181.216.210; country=SE; latitude=62.0000; longitude=15.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=62.0000,15.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-su-se:outbound (inherits from outbound-su-se:default, su-se:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0aNcAvT62 - ba86820b1358 - 20141107 X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: PfMRe/vJWMiXwM2YIH5BVExnUnw X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA7CVw9e015074 On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote: > On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: >>> But imagine if you >>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to >>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the >>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult >>> to say the least. >> >> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsrättsbrott kan >> döma någon att inte få använda linux eller android? Det låter orimligt. > > GPLv2 innehåller följande paragraf: > > 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program > except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise > to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will > automatically terminate your rights under this License. > > Det betyder att man förlorar rätten både att använda och att sprida > vidare programvara som täcks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryter mot > licensen. > > Detta fungerar inte på samma sätt i GPLv3, där man automatiskt återfår > rätten att använda och sprida programvaran så fort man åtgärdar ett > licensbrott. > Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika licensen för programvara X", inte "alla programvaror i världen som har samma typ av licens som programvara X" _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Nov 7 16:14:07 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7FDdDU013707; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:48 +0100 Received: from outgoing.fripost.org (giraff.friprogramvarusyndikatet.se [94.246.92.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7FDbxl013639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF935570E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:18 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=fripost.org; h= mime-version:x-mailer:content-type:content-type:references :in-reply-to:date:date:from:from:subject:subject:message-id; s= 20140703; t=1415373198; x=1417187599; bh=Gp8fUvQ8l6CTnaD4nnv66zy txyoqTNKcQwoFBOroTjk=; b=sUuq8zbl+56Kvrem48NnLMvepef4aTLMKa5iEVR QeRyWv8/EJR7FG8Sovp0rOySsu4sRIaqNuT1jYwgrW6VS4jDMTtBQIHzQb2rHKW0 TdFTCm/7mfiIk7j89ecdA6uP+NL4KYL4raTYAAJGlLgCdzWM1Ssun7Tgq1TY+K0c AkHs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at fripost.org Received: from outgoing.fripost.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (giraff.friprogramvarusyndikatet.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10040) with LMTP id 1g9i5kOTgve1 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.fripost.org (zebra.friprogramvarusyndikatet.se [94.246.92.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mistral.fripost.org", Issuer "mistral.fripost.org" (not verified)) by outgoing.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48CCF555F5 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) by smtp.fripost.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6A0E160AA for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:13:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nkt?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? From: Alexander Bessman To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 16:14:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0719372565==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============0719372565== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-l0R+PgOZMbv7MdNwuSfi" --=-l0R+PgOZMbv7MdNwuSfi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 13:31 +0100, Janne Johansson wrote: > On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > >>> But imagine if you > >>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right t= o > >>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the > >>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficul= t > >>> to say the least. > >> > >> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsr=C3=A4ttsbrott kan= =20 > >> d=C3=B6ma n=C3=A5gon att inte f=C3=A5 anv=C3=A4nda linux eller android= ? Det l=C3=A5ter orimligt. > >=20 > > GPLv2 inneh=C3=A5ller f=C3=B6ljande paragraf: > >=20 > > 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program > > except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise > > to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will > > automatically terminate your rights under this License. > >=20 > > Det betyder att man f=C3=B6rlorar r=C3=A4tten b=C3=A5de att anv=C3=A4nd= a och att sprida > > vidare programvara som t=C3=A4cks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryter = mot > > licensen. > >=20 > > Detta fungerar inte p=C3=A5 samma s=C3=A4tt i GPLv3, d=C3=A4r man autom= atiskt =C3=A5terf=C3=A5r > > r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda och sprida programvaran s=C3=A5 fort man = =C3=A5tg=C3=A4rdar ett > > licensbrott. > >=20 >=20 > Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika licensen f=C3=B6r programvar= a > X", inte "alla programvaror i v=C3=A4rlden som har samma typ av licens so= m > programvara X" Absolut, men det inneb=C3=A4r ju fortfarande att man (i teorin) kan bli av med r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda Linux (och d=C3=A4rmed Android) om man t.e= x. sprider en modifierad k=C3=A4rna utan att sl=C3=A4ppa den modifierade koden. // Alexander --=-l0R+PgOZMbv7MdNwuSfi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJUXOHYAAoJENz9uSVFPXeFWWAH/3Fz4zIXWbp/wUFzRB9A4MIB IeyYzno0KtdLbWe2zeGI2pIpttYIsLR1Ig9WeEPVwbjI1w7EtoTfQmbfm9dmlMe1 L3LXsewoIw+6KvdgMb1qBh/hBDqmJQdat6odFJk20R+/p9aPNZwf0zB54jpEDZPt xSwBc4e8kdfVsaJ+JywFuZchvNmi5OdtIKF7NR35WeUEwkI5rjt8tF2CTh/oQt3w PjVQOTpdvkHZhzlwPTbedeCCra5lJaF2N06ukARlrTt6mPe6DuX3uRu27jyUatbi t/vLYFhONucS/x92/oiDot3y44E47VyPJ2lJBpMJdcHKwfMGhMKpDJTqrPvgKQM= =aNYr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-l0R+PgOZMbv7MdNwuSfi-- --===============0719372565== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5mb3NzLXN0aGxtLnNlLwpodHRwOi8vY29vbC5oYXh4LnNlL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9mb3NzLXN0aGxtCg== --===============0719372565==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Nov 7 16:49:20 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7Fn9ZN018867; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:49:12 +0100 Received: from mail-prod-route04.it.su.se (mail-prod-route04.it.su.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:5:1214:250:56ff:fe94:30c3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA7Fn866018823 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:49:08 +0100 Received: from e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (e-mailfilter01.sunet.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:8:2::201]) by mail-prod-route04.it.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3jZ5cb0QWNz1F9s for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:49:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.su.se (mail-prod-smtp01.it.su.se [77.238.36.166]) by e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id sA7Fn2QP001328 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:49:02 +0100 Received: from Jannes-MacBook-Pro.local (210.216.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [62.181.216.210]) (Authenticated sender: jj) by smtp.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3jZ5cZ0x9RzMr for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:49:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 16:49:01 +0100 From: Janne Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TWlzc3TDpG5rdCBGT1NTIGkgYmFua2FwcGVuIFN3aXNoPw==?= References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> In-Reply-To: <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outbound, outbound-su-se:default, su-se:default, base:default, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 7.50] X-CanIt-Geo: ip=62.181.216.210; country=SE; latitude=62.0000; longitude=15.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=62.0000,15.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-su-se:outbound (inherits from outbound-su-se:default, su-se:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 09NcDN2OU - 3c60e69d4847 - 20141107 X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: PfMRe/vJWMiXwM2YIH5BVExnUnw X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.36.171.201 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sA7Fn9ZN018867 On 07/11/14 16:14, Alexander Bessman wrote: > On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 13:31 +0100, Janne Johansson wrote: >> On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote: >>> On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: >>>> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: >>>>> But imagine if you >>>>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to >>>>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the >>>>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult >>>>> to say the least. >>>> >>>> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsrättsbrott kan >>>> döma någon att inte få använda linux eller android? Det låter orimligt. >>> >>> GPLv2 innehåller följande paragraf: >>> >>> 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program >>> except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise >>> to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will >>> automatically terminate your rights under this License. >>> >>> Det betyder att man förlorar rätten både att använda och att sprida >>> vidare programvara som täcks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryter mot >>> licensen. >>> >>> Detta fungerar inte på samma sätt i GPLv3, där man automatiskt återfår >>> rätten att använda och sprida programvaran så fort man åtgärdar ett >>> licensbrott. >>> >> >> Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika licensen för programvara >> X", inte "alla programvaror i världen som har samma typ av licens som >> programvara X" > > Absolut, men det innebär ju fortfarande att man (i teorin) kan bli av > med rätten att använda Linux (och därmed Android) om man t.ex. sprider > en modifierad kärna utan att släppa den modifierade koden. > Du är lite vag på det där viset som legala instanser sällan försöker vara. Om du bakar en Linuxkernel med din egen kod, och kallar den BessKernel1.0, och sen blir påkommen med att inte GPLa din del så får du inte längre använda de delarna i BessKerneln som var GPLade och får givetvis inte längre sälja/distribuera den i sin helhet. Du blir däremot inte förbjuden att ha Android eller Linux på mobilen bara för att du råkat bryta mot just den GPL som kerneln använder. Jag antar att du inte menade "bli av med rätten att använda Linux" på det sättet. _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sat Nov 8 17:30:12 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sA8GTX1Y027294; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:29:46 +0100 Received: from wsp-01.crystone.se (wsp-01.crystone.se [83.168.225.81]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with SMTP id sA8GTVWR027288 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:29:31 +0100 Received: from mail.crystone.net (unknown [83.168.226.204]) by wsp-01.crystone.se (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTPS for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:29:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 14458 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2014 16:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?46.246.3.18?) (mattias@okfn.se@[46.246.3.18]) by 83.168.226.42 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 8 Nov 2014 16:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <545E44EA.1030506@okfn.se> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:29:30 +0100 From: Mattias OKFSE Organization: Open Knowledge Sweden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: Nya upphandlingar References: In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0754711079==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0754711079== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020507050302020302010909" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020507050302020302010909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hej Daniel, Kul att höra! Följer gärna om du vill fortsätta uppdatera om det här! :) Mvh, Mattias Community Manager Open Knowledge Sweden http://okfn.se https://twitter.com/okfse https://quitter.se/okfse https://diasp.eu/u/okfnse https://www.facebook.com/OpenSweden On 11/07/2014 01:08 PM, Daniel Melin wrote: > Idag har Statens inköpscentral annonserat de sista två upphandlingarna > inom programvaror och tjänster. Informationsförsörjning och > Systemutveckling. Precis som med de två tidigare finns det mycket FOSS > i dessa. > > /D > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --------------020507050302020302010909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hej Daniel,

Kul att höra! Följer gärna om du vill fortsätta uppdatera om det här! :)

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On 11/07/2014 01:08 PM, Daniel Melin wrote:
Idag har Statens inköpscentral annonserat de sista två upphandlingarna inom programvaror och tjänster. Informationsförsörjning och Systemutveckling. Precis som med de två tidigare finns det mycket FOSS i dessa.

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(mattias@okfn.se@[178.73.193.229]) by 83.168.226.42 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 14 Nov 2014 22:26:41 -0000 Message-ID: <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:26:42 +0100 From: Mattias OKFSE Organization: Open Knowledge Sweden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TWlzc3TDpG5rdCBGT1NTIGkgYmFua2FwcGVuIFN3aXNoPw==?= References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAEMQi39016354 Hej, Vad är det senaste ni hittat om detta? Läste nyss följande på IDG: http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.593454 Trevlig helg! Mattias Community Manager Open Knowledge Sweden http://okfn.se https://twitter.com/okfse https://quitter.se/okfse https://diasp.eu/u/okfnse https://www.facebook.com/OpenSweden On 11/07/2014 04:49 PM, Janne Johansson wrote: > > On 07/11/14 16:14, Alexander Bessman wrote: >> On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 13:31 +0100, Janne Johansson wrote: >>> On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: >>>>>> But imagine if you >>>>>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your right to >>>>>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the >>>>>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life difficult >>>>>> to say the least. >>>>> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsrättsbrott kan >>>>> döma någon att inte få använda linux eller android? Det låter orimligt. >>>> GPLv2 innehåller följande paragraf: >>>> >>>> 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program >>>> except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise >>>> to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will >>>> automatically terminate your rights under this License. >>>> >>>> Det betyder att man förlorar rätten både att använda och att sprida >>>> vidare programvara som täcks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryter mot >>>> licensen. >>>> >>>> Detta fungerar inte på samma sätt i GPLv3, där man automatiskt återfår >>>> rätten att använda och sprida programvaran så fort man åtgärdar ett >>>> licensbrott. >>>> >>> Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika licensen för programvara >>> X", inte "alla programvaror i världen som har samma typ av licens som >>> programvara X" >> Absolut, men det innebär ju fortfarande att man (i teorin) kan bli av >> med rätten att använda Linux (och därmed Android) om man t.ex. sprider >> en modifierad kärna utan att släppa den modifierade koden. >> > Du är lite vag på det där viset som legala instanser sällan försöker > vara. Om du bakar en Linuxkernel med din egen kod, och kallar den > BessKernel1.0, och sen blir påkommen med att inte GPLa din del så får du > inte längre använda de delarna i BessKerneln som var GPLade och får > givetvis inte längre sälja/distribuera den i sin helhet. > > Du blir däremot inte förbjuden att ha Android eller Linux på mobilen > bara för att du råkat bryta mot just den GPL som kerneln använder. > Jag antar att du inte menade "bli av med rätten att använda Linux" på > det sättet. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 17 14:44:57 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHDiF6s027077; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:44:29 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHDiCe0025474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:44:13 +0100 Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wp4so3956911obc.11 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:44:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=X3iOnnVa7l2iMW4IAwtyNuFKhYeNxBTy7q+eWL/9dK0=; b=D+dT3SGIsQikDkwefbvgFLKhYPwvqNTQ7DEvKuMxYmksrnxWTnHZOBKfcxROiO249U 7lQg3KDDXX+2Vzdt5mtDY4A8CzxKHgUbgEeW0RpBafpFQh6xFZxtkJ9YwoMxiqHfLJj8 sJAu/7lWKaQk5fsRNIx9QNpWTeKegAjP7OHdX15vXBqbBlgLa0DqfD3/JFsqFeBX03kx oEvR5xyjgHZrn0tWbCLtUBsN9P8VGNZe3GWPDMUZX+Q8Gwvi+rj6dO7QxEQusJVR1JfP D73Td7WtphoKpx4Zq9jkWyp6MzM2RxUoc1hM0weTKYLu4QbQ1Wo3splg08OnjWar2Lf+ BM8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.93.198 with SMTP id cw6mr892277oeb.77.1416231848073; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.189.11 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:44:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:44:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Misst=C3=A4nkt_FOSS_i_bankappen_Swish=3F?= From: Johan To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1108794455==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1108794455== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d816395f6205080e2c2f --047d7b33d816395f6205080e2c2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Swish har sl=C3=A4ppt en ny version av sin app: http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.594473/swish-kryper-till-korset--andrar-i-appen?= utm_source=3Dfeedburner&utm_medium=3Dfeed&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+idg%2Fvzzs= +%28IDG.se%3A+Hetaste+IT-nyheterna+fr%C3%A5n+IDG.se%29 Intressant citat i artikeln: "=E2=80=93 Bara f=C3=B6r att man packar och distribuerar en fil s=C3=A5 smi= ttar inte den =C3=B6ppna k=C3=A4llkoden resten av koden i paketet. Det =C3=A4r vi s=C3=A4= kra p=C3=A5, s=C3=A4ger Per Ekwall." =C3=84r det n=C3=A5gon som k=C3=A4nner till huruvida detta har provats av n= =C3=A5gon domstol som har kommit fram till samma slutsats? Sannolikt borde det ha gjorts eftersom att han kan uttala sig s=C3=A5 s=C3= =A4kert. /Johan Den 14 november 2014 23:26 skrev Mattias OKFSE : > Hej, > > Vad =C3=A4r det senaste ni hittat om detta? L=C3=A4ste nyss f=C3=B6ljande= p=C3=A5 IDG: > http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.593454 > > Trevlig helg! > > Mattias > Community Manager > Open Knowledge Sweden > http://okfn.se > https://twitter.com/okfse > https://quitter.se/okfse > https://diasp.eu/u/okfnse > https://www.facebook.com/OpenSweden > > On 11/07/2014 04:49 PM, Janne Johansson wrote: > > > > On 07/11/14 16:14, Alexander Bessman wrote: > >> On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 13:31 +0100, Janne Johansson wrote: > >>> On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote: > >>>> On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote: > >>>>>> But imagine if you > >>>>>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You can lose your righ= t > to > >>>>>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose the right to use the > >>>>>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This would make life > difficult > >>>>>> to say the least. > >>>>> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsr=C3=A4ttsbrott = kan > >>>>> d=C3=B6ma n=C3=A5gon att inte f=C3=A5 anv=C3=A4nda linux eller andr= oid? Det l=C3=A5ter > orimligt. > >>>> GPLv2 inneh=C3=A5ller f=C3=B6ljande paragraf: > >>>> > >>>> 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program > >>>> except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwi= se > >>>> to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and > will > >>>> automatically terminate your rights under this License. > >>>> > >>>> Det betyder att man f=C3=B6rlorar r=C3=A4tten b=C3=A5de att anv=C3= =A4nda och att sprida > >>>> vidare programvara som t=C3=A4cks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) om man bryt= er mot > >>>> licensen. > >>>> > >>>> Detta fungerar inte p=C3=A5 samma s=C3=A4tt i GPLv3, d=C3=A4r man au= tomatiskt =C3=A5terf=C3=A5r > >>>> r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda och sprida programvaran s=C3=A5 fort ma= n =C3=A5tg=C3=A4rdar ett > >>>> licensbrott. > >>>> > >>> Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika licensen f=C3=B6r progra= mvara > >>> X", inte "alla programvaror i v=C3=A4rlden som har samma typ av licen= s som > >>> programvara X" > >> Absolut, men det inneb=C3=A4r ju fortfarande att man (i teorin) kan bl= i av > >> med r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda Linux (och d=C3=A4rmed Android) om ma= n t.ex. sprider > >> en modifierad k=C3=A4rna utan att sl=C3=A4ppa den modifierade koden. > >> > > Du =C3=A4r lite vag p=C3=A5 det d=C3=A4r viset som legala instanser s= =C3=A4llan f=C3=B6rs=C3=B6ker > > vara. Om du bakar en Linuxkernel med din egen kod, och kallar den > > BessKernel1.0, och sen blir p=C3=A5kommen med att inte GPLa din del s= =C3=A5 f=C3=A5r du > > inte l=C3=A4ngre anv=C3=A4nda de delarna i BessKerneln som var GPLade o= ch f=C3=A5r > > givetvis inte l=C3=A4ngre s=C3=A4lja/distribuera den i sin helhet. > > > > Du blir d=C3=A4remot inte f=C3=B6rbjuden att ha Android eller Linux p= =C3=A5 mobilen > > bara f=C3=B6r att du r=C3=A5kat bryta mot just den GPL som kerneln anv= =C3=A4nder. > > Jag antar att du inte menade "bli av med r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda L= inux" p=C3=A5 > > det s=C3=A4ttet. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --047d7b33d816395f6205080e2c2f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Intressant citat i artikeln:
"= =E2=80=93 Bara f=C3=B6r att man packar och=20 distribuerar en fil s=C3=A5 smittar inte den =C3=B6ppna k=C3=A4llkoden rest= en av koden i paketet. Det =C3=A4r vi s=C3=A4kra p=C3=A5, s=C3=A4ger Per Ekwall."
=C3=84r det n=C3=A5gon som k=C3=A4nner till huruvida detta har = provats av n=C3=A5gon domstol som har kommit fram till samma slutsats?
<= /div>Sannolikt borde det ha gjorts eftersom att han kan uttala sig s=C3=A5 = s=C3=A4kert.

/Johan


Den 14 novemb= er 2014 23:26 skrev Mattias OKFSE <mattias@okfn.se>:
Hej,

Vad =C3=A4r det senaste ni hittat om detta? L=C3=A4ste nyss f=C3=B6ljande p= =C3=A5 IDG:
http://www.= idg.se/2.1085/1.593454

Trevlig helg!

Mattias
Community Manager
Open Knowledge Sweden
http://okfn.se
https://twitter.com= /okfse
https://quitter.se/o= kfse
https://diasp.eu/u/= okfnse
https://w= ww.facebook.com/OpenSweden

On 11/07/2014 04:49 PM, Janne Johansson wrote:
>
> On 07/11/14 16:14, Alexander Bessman wrote:
>> On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 13:31 +0100, Janne Johansson wrote:
>>> On 07/11/14 13:19, Alexander Bessman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 21:03 +0100, Ilja Hallberg wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:49PM +0100, Jeremiah C. = Foster wrote:
>>>>>> But imagine if you
>>>>>> develop on Android and you violate the GPL. You ca= n lose your right to
>>>>>> use GPL'd software which would make you lose t= he right to use the
>>>>>> linux kernel which is Android's kernel. This w= ould make life difficult
>>>>>> to say the least.
>>>>> Menar du att en domstol som resultat av ett upphovsr= =C3=A4ttsbrott kan
>>>>> d=C3=B6ma n=C3=A5gon att inte f=C3=A5 anv=C3=A4nda lin= ux eller android? Det l=C3=A5ter orimligt.
>>>> GPLv2 inneh=C3=A5ller f=C3=B6ljande paragraf:
>>>>
>>>> 4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the= Program
>>>> except as expressly provided under this License. Any attem= pt otherwise
>>>> to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is v= oid, and will
>>>> automatically terminate your rights under this License. >>>>
>>>> Det betyder att man f=C3=B6rlorar r=C3=A4tten b=C3=A5de at= t anv=C3=A4nda och att sprida
>>>> vidare programvara som t=C3=A4cks av GPLv2 (t.ex. Linux) o= m man bryter mot
>>>> licensen.
>>>>
>>>> Detta fungerar inte p=C3=A5 samma s=C3=A4tt i GPLv3, d=C3= =A4r man automatiskt =C3=A5terf=C3=A5r
>>>> r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda och sprida programvaran s=C3= =A5 fort man =C3=A5tg=C3=A4rdar ett
>>>> licensbrott.
>>>>
>>> Jag tror "This license" avser "den specifika li= censen f=C3=B6r programvara
>>> X", inte "alla programvaror i v=C3=A4rlden som har s= amma typ av licens som
>>> programvara X"
>> Absolut, men det inneb=C3=A4r ju fortfarande att man (i teorin) ka= n bli av
>> med r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3=A4nda Linux (och d=C3=A4rmed Android) o= m man t.ex. sprider
>> en modifierad k=C3=A4rna utan att sl=C3=A4ppa den modifierade kode= n.
>>
> Du =C3=A4r lite vag p=C3=A5 det d=C3=A4r viset som legala instanser s= =C3=A4llan f=C3=B6rs=C3=B6ker
> vara. Om du bakar en Linuxkernel med din egen kod, och kallar den
> BessKernel1.0, och sen blir p=C3=A5kommen med att inte GPLa din del s= =C3=A5 f=C3=A5r du
> inte l=C3=A4ngre anv=C3=A4nda de delarna i BessKerneln som var GPLade = och f=C3=A5r
> givetvis inte l=C3=A4ngre s=C3=A4lja/distribuera den i sin helhet.
>
> Du blir d=C3=A4remot inte f=C3=B6rbjuden att ha Android eller Linux p= =C3=A5 mobilen
> bara f=C3=B6r att du r=C3=A5kat bryta mot just den GPL som kerneln anv= =C3=A4nder.
> Jag antar att du inte menade "bli av med r=C3=A4tten att anv=C3= =A4nda Linux" p=C3=A5
> det s=C3=A4ttet.
>
>
>
>
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2014= -11-17 14:44 GMT+01:00 Johan <kungjohan@gmail.com>:

Intressant cit= at i artikeln:
"=E2=80=93 Bara f=C3=B6r att man packar= och=20 distribuerar en fil s=C3=A5 smittar inte den =C3=B6ppna k=C3=A4llkoden rest= en av koden i paketet. Det =C3=A4r vi s=C3=A4kra p=C3=A5, s=C3=A4ger Per Ekwall."
=C3=84r det n=C3=A5gon som k=C3=A4nner till huruvida detta har = provats av n=C3=A5gon domstol som har kommit fram till samma slutsats?
<= /div>Sannolikt borde det ha gjorts eftersom att han kan uttala sig s=C3=A5 = s=C3=A4kert.

Kanske g=C3=B6r do= m en positiv tolkning av sista stycket i kapitel 5 i GPLv3?

<= /div>
A compilation of a covered work with other separate and inde= pendent works, which are not by their nature extensions of the covered work= , and which are not combined with it such as to form a larger program, in o= r on a volume of a storage or distribution medium, is called an =E2=80=9Cag= gregate=E2=80=9D if the compilation and its resulting copyright are not use= d to limit the access or legal rights of the compilation's users beyond= what the individual works permit. Inclusion of a covered work in an aggreg= ate does not cause this License to apply to the other parts of the aggregat= e.

D=C3=A5 =C3=A4r fr=C3=A5gan om gamla Swis= h bara var ett "aggregate"? Var verkligen Androidpinning helt sep= arat fr=C3=A5n allt det andra i Swish?

/D
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From: Alexander Bessman To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:05:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1461018397==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1461018397== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Q01j56i0JI0HdG0zzWq1" --=-Q01j56i0JI0HdG0zzWq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 14:44 +0100, Johan wrote: > Swish har sl=C3=A4ppt en ny version av sin app: > http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.594473/swish-kryper-till-korset--andrar-i-appe= n?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&utm_medium=3Dfeed&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+idg%2Fvz= zs+%28IDG.se%3A+Hetaste+IT-nyheterna+fr%C3%A5n+IDG.se%29 >=20 >=20 > Intressant citat i artikeln: > "=E2=80=93 Bara f=C3=B6r att man packar och distribuerar en fil s=C3=A5 s= mittar inte den > =C3=B6ppna k=C3=A4llkoden resten av koden i paketet. Det =C3=A4r vi s=C3= =A4kra p=C3=A5, s=C3=A4ger > Per Ekwall." >=20 >=20 > =C3=84r det n=C3=A5gon som k=C3=A4nner till huruvida detta har provats av= n=C3=A5gon > domstol som har kommit fram till samma slutsats? >=20 > Sannolikt borde det ha gjorts eftersom att han kan uttala sig s=C3=A5 > s=C3=A4kert. >=20 >=20 > /Johan K=C3=A4nner inte till n=C3=A5got s=C3=A5dant domslut. Det =C3=A4r v=C3=A4l = dock vedertaget att formuleringen "based on the software" i GPL-texten betyder antingen att man modifierar GPL-kod direkt, eller statiskt l=C3=A4nkar till GPL-bibliote= k? I s=C3=A5 fall st=C3=A4mmer det ju som Swish s=C3=A4ger, GPL "smittar" inte= bara f=C3=B6r att man distribuerar GPL-program tillsammans med andra program. Detta g=C3=A4ller dock endast om programmet i fr=C3=A5ga inte anv=C3=A4nds av de = propriet=C3=A4ra delarna, eftersom det skulle inneb=C3=A4ra statisk l=C3=A4nkning. Om s=C3= =A5 verkligen var fallet kan man ju fr=C3=A5ga sig varf=C3=B6r de distribuerade GPL-progr= ammet alls? =C3=96verblivet fr=C3=A5n debugging kanske? // Alexander --=-Q01j56i0JI0HdG0zzWq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJUagCuAAoJENz9uSVFPXeFseIH/2af0FvHnmtATbGKVTId1/0T Mxk59X1yPa/7AKujafdnWKNFaHJt1cIqcvPjcJgSePGaoJZvZnuUgzkIDhGUNRaK X5zlLmn+9mH7U7J56j+awqbfPWf6IQgU7n96Sn3DiBdqf2ZuUHr9syJ/wUQZeDb8 kE/Cgjlzov4a8Rju815FzWNvLb2OQJWKwmFsqIO9X1AtvZYvqRihuC6ky43Ky7hp B9YoKI+uulSmFrLAXFYzF87+N5jqOgouV8QVjI2zAkMKZ1EUksW48kviRBvaTNbc hsVI4B3IbrqUsCB8O2f0+L6hPM5Kw07Rv+shNwHxMiTLOFlNBPzJQbvgxjCxUW8= =EqSX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Q01j56i0JI0HdG0zzWq1-- --===============1461018397== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5mb3NzLXN0aGxtLnNlLwpodHRwOi8vY29vbC5oYXh4LnNlL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9mb3NzLXN0aGxtCg== --===============1461018397==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 17 15:31:27 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHEVFMi012195; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:31:20 +0100 Received: from lakridstrollet.regexp.se (lakridstrollet.regexp.se [46.253.202.186]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHEVEoQ012174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:31:14 +0100 Received: by lakridstrollet.regexp.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8EA202706EB; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:31:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:31:10 +0100 From: Ilja Hallberg To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141117143110.GF657@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> <1416233134.3827.14.camel@bela.kth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1416233134.3827.14.camel@bela.kth> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAHEVFMi012195 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 03:05:34PM +0100, Alexander Bessman wrote: > > > > Är det någon som känner till huruvida detta har provats av någon > > domstol som har kommit fram till samma slutsats? > > > > Sannolikt borde det ha gjorts eftersom att han kan uttala sig så > > säkert. > > Känner inte till något sådant domslut. Det är väl dock vedertaget att > formuleringen "based on the software" i GPL-texten betyder antingen att > man modifierar GPL-kod direkt, eller statiskt länkar till GPL-bibliotek? Jag antar att en domstol kan göra egna bedömningar av vad som är vedertaget, det lilla jag läst ger mig intrycket av att det kan gå åt vilket håll som helst. > I så fall stämmer det ju som Swish säger, GPL "smittar" inte bara för > att man distribuerar GPL-program tillsammans med andra program. Detta > gäller dock endast om programmet i fråga inte används av de proprietära > delarna, eftersom det skulle innebära statisk länkning. Om så verkligen > var fallet kan man ju fråga sig varför de distribuerade GPL-programmet > alls? Överblivet från debugging kanske? Det som är bra med Pers uttalande är att han erkänt att de stoppat in GPL i sitt program. Om Moxies kod anropas eller inte, kan man nog läsa ut om man tar sig tid att analysera programmet. Men fort, för det gamla programmet försvinner väl när Swish lägger upp en uppdatering hos Google? Swish säger sig ha städat sitt program, jag antar att det inte gagnar Moxie om han väljer att göra något rättsligt. Klumpigt av Swish, de borde förhandlat med Moxie. Ilja _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 17 16:31:58 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHFVZ0H018906; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:42 +0100 Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.94.110]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHFVX6m018848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:33 +0100 Received: from s87.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3FA1D2117F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at outgoing-smtp.loopia.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=15 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=disabled Received: from s87.loopia.se ([127.0.0.1]) by s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0wIqu_0a60Ll for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from s500.loopia.se (unknown [172.21.200.98]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5180F1D21175 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from s405.loopia.se (unknown [172.21.200.105]) by s500.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CFD96A098 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se Received: from s499.loopia.se ([172.21.200.105]) by s405.loopia.se (s405.loopia.se [172.21.200.135]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id XkVyUlnoI997 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.140] (h-212-210.a259.priv.bahnhof.se [176.10.212.210]) (Authenticated sender: vetgirig@linuxbolaget.se) by s499.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D0A86B19247 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <546A14E9.3040308@kunskapssamhallet.se> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:31:53 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kZXJzIFMgTGluZGLDpGNr?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?TWlzc3TDpG5rdCBGT1NTIGkgYmFua2FwcGVuIFN3aXNoPw==?= References: <20141029191933.GE4127@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <20141103204449.GB20975@yaalr.org> <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> <1416233134.3827.14.camel@bela.kth> <20141117143110.GF657@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> In-Reply-To: <20141117143110.GF657@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAHFVX6m018848 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAHFVZ0H018906 Den 2014-11-17 15:31, Ilja Hallberg skrev: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 03:05:34PM +0100, Alexander Bessman wrote: > Swish säger sig ha städat sitt program, jag antar att det inte gagnar > Moxie om han väljer att göra något rättsligt. > > Klumpigt av Swish, de borde förhandlat med Moxie. > > Ilja Nja detta är exakt vad som skedde då Voddler gjorde något liknande. Ingen orkade stämma dem heller. Denna lösning var den jag förväntade mig skulle inträffa. Om det är juridiskt korrekt vet ingen och det kommer förmodligen inte testas denna gång. _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Nov 17 22:56:31 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHLu77s008201; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:56:15 +0100 Received: from smtprelay-b21.telenor.se (smtprelay-b21.telenor.se [195.54.99.212]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHLu7sP008103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:56:07 +0100 Received: from ipb3.telenor.se (ipb3.telenor.se [195.54.127.166]) by smtprelay-b21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBE0EADD for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:56:03 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [213.112.106.181] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAbAJNtalTVcGq1PGdsb2JhbABbgw6CUYEThQfGUoJRgyACgRAXAQEBAQEBBQEBAQE4O4QCAQEBAQIBMgEjKAsIAxgJJQ8FJQoaiEsNAdJ1AQsgGI1Hg0qDLYEeAQSRGYEujASaeDyCewEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AiAbAJNtalTVcGq1PGdsb2JhbABbgw6CUYEThQfGUoJRgyACgRAXAQEBAQEBBQEBAQE4O4QCAQEBAQIBMgEjKAsIAxgJJQ8FJQoaiEsNAdJ1AQsgGI1Hg0qDLYEeAQSRGYEujASaeDyCewEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,405,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="764713758" Received: from c-b56a70d5.2310-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO sylph) ([213.112.106.181]) by ipb3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2014 22:56:03 +0100 Received: from jeremiah by sylph with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XqUHC-0007F4-Ca for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:56:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:56:02 +0100 From: "Jeremiah C. Foster" To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Misst=E4nk?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t?= FOSS i bankappen Swish? Message-ID: <20141117215602.GB26648@sylph> References: <20141106200351.GA8162@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <1415362759.3599.6.camel@bela.kth> <545CBBBB.9010105@stacken.kth.se> <1415373272.3599.8.camel@bela.kth> <545CE9ED.2000806@stacken.kth.se> <546681A2.4000302@okfn.se> <1416233134.3827.14.camel@bela.kth> <20141117143110.GF657@lakridstrollet.regexp.se> <546A14E9.3040308@kunskapssamhallet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <546A14E9.3040308@kunskapssamhallet.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAHLu77s008201 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:31:53PM +0100, Anders S Lindbäck wrote: > Den 2014-11-17 15:31, Ilja Hallberg skrev: > >On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 03:05:34PM +0100, Alexander Bessman wrote: > > >Swish säger sig ha städat sitt program, jag antar att det inte gagnar > >Moxie om han väljer att göra något rättsligt. > > > >Klumpigt av Swish, de borde förhandlat med Moxie. > > > >Ilja > > Nja detta är exakt vad som skedde då Voddler gjorde något liknande. > Ingen orkade stämma dem heller. Jo. De fick en oväntad telefon samtal eller två. Och det funkade. > Denna lösning var den jag förväntade mig skulle inträffa. > > Om det är juridiskt korrekt vet ingen och det kommer > förmodligen inte testas denna gång. /jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Nov 18 00:16:46 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHNGPCO004742; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:16:31 +0100 Received: from mail-ig0-x234.google.com (mail-ig0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAHNGNO2004624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:16:24 +0100 Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id h15so6096978igd.7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:16:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o7CksFQjaLpln2hoEK6uslYSfb3uyEyuV2QurymTdVE=; b=fcNY9xpD/UpLrekBqOr0W//QvU5mQSUWiJoO6Ytbuv7MiH5uLiQ/dWCKFkm/J+1zRh FHVAsHgDlxjubrol1m+63ymMaf8QNEW+mJueMnvwhlHX1sms1MoQSE3Zw1zqm0U9Vjkd Fd7u2XxOSg4uoGNfb4i1K/mYkGoqu+1rMTYM6VJNMNq893Stcs/DcXGYTA5g99G1aWnJ 7k5msHGf8WPXcgxQuKFzfDEcMV7tkgvDLzA36hLeehKo6a5wxCYm1egOTADOMaBLXqWY C5R3rz7hF0wZ0zcpsMudXs9dxBnvyTao9R7ZbqdwQ15oLOCbyztNOpuE7Hhb09WilQfn vMRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.134.9 with SMTP id pg9mr29355736igb.28.1416266179548; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.50.18 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:16:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 00:16:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: SUSE Linux Event i December From: Martin Jernberg To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1366859927==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1366859927== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41407e8a1f090508162a2f --047d7b41407e8a1f090508162a2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hejsan, fick detta i ett mail fr=C3=A5n en snubbe p=C3=A5 Novell om n=C3=A5= gon =C3=A4r intresserad: SUSE Linux Expert Day, den 2 december https://www.suse.com/events/slef-2014/#Liste --047d7b41407e8a1f090508162a2f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hejsan, fick detta i ett mail fr=C3=A5n en snubbe p=C3=A5 = Novell om n=C3=A5gon =C3=A4r intresserad:

SUSE Linux Expert Day, den= 2 december https://www.suse.com/events/slef-2014/#Liste

--047d7b41407e8a1f090508162a2f-- --===============1366859927== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5mb3NzLXN0aGxtLnNlLwpodHRwOi8vY29vbC5oYXh4LnNlL2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9mb3NzLXN0aGxtCg== --===============1366859927==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Nov 18 09:27:21 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAI8QuB0014156; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:27:03 +0100 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-smtp1.int.icgroup.com [208.72.237.35]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sAI8QlI9013995; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:26:48 +0100 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D22912F29; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:26:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :cc:to:mime-version; s=sasl; bh=O4/KBEzOlJws+MoaAO2zHlSM1Rc=; b= AAW6/whj3SvwD5O1xHn/MOQOQUmVSvwc+3Ht+VKAg/ZegSAmuMJUnD8LvEDeYtIN j+JkVHDxkXrQXiq6uTOw5H9E+TL/FJ65JIpyDoGFQMv5r83GbTRWKCF/SfdrUEa0 hbom8THMKxvkedI20LZq9+Vs80uLXpxKDM2VM99k9zc= Received: from pb-smtp1.int.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143F612F28; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (unknown [85.229.45.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 147C112F27; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: Claes Jakobsson Subject: =?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A5minnelse_Techday_by_Init_2014_den_27=3Ae_novemb?= =?utf-8?Q?er?= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:26:42 +0100 Message-Id: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: A2647456-6EFC-11E4-A34D-42529F42C9D4-95536820!pb-smtp1.pobox.com X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAI8QlI9013995 Cc: foss-sthlm-announce@cool.haxx.se X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by giant.haxx.se id sAI8QuB0014156 Hej, en liten påminnelse om Techday by Init 2014 nästa torsdag den 27:e. Nu är talarlistan på plats och i år har vi: Universal 2nd Factor (U2F) - Simon Josefsson, Yubico Spiralbunden säkerhet - Patrik Järnefelt, Blocket AB & Daniel Gustafsson, SCM Ventures AB PKI, an enabler of business - Tomas Gustavsson, Primekey Securing web based applications in PostgreSQL - Magnus Hagander, Redpill Linpro Network Segmentation: When information security is a business and technology enabler - Fredrik Söderblom, XPD Securing your system with AppArmor & SELinux - SUSE Security Team Incident response and forensic investigations is always a challenge - Robert Malmgren, ROMAB/sysctl Varnish Security Firewall - Kacper Wysocki, Redpill Linpro Antalet platser är begränsat men det finns ännu gott om plats kvar. Anmälan via Meetup på http://www.meetup.com/Techday-by-Init/events/214720932/ /Claes _______________________________________________ http://www.foss-sthlm.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Nov 27 23:09:16 2014 Return-Path: Received: from www.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sARM8ZGN014208; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:08:50 +0100 Received: from mail-ie0-x236.google.com (mail-ie0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-7) with ESMTP id sARM8X8B014025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:08:34 +0100 Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x19so5111233ier.41 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SHlX51oAJ1Cx4OHzcVQA48r0Fwi6ye1vKwBMlPloDvg=; b=0OriGeA47dPLiyi/APDY8u1MY+CH3K1ip+Lk8sC5XnC8txkXV7TakpPF6Q0om67Ma7 M5gPeOneOjNd/SCGrkWHGj6ZWU3v6IcGTo1HIrAUfWfXR1hny5ZmtxBPdxx0IaqWiNiw /Ttmu9jO6rEdZq5+2EmiH24ATgQYaVajXjZDkvc3aApoWuv3uQE5slZuH0aqaI6+3Ncv jT8m2sCHZqrxZeGCmVNC3jT8XuDAgdzYzpG6DjHh8IoGOLdCY2DbtvXNSWwZtKr4ZYil WxsDZ73h+QHK1pC+IbDgTSyewmmuntdPrdiJN1AbfLpcpA55CIW0bxZXbwknArJ6w2Jg y0fA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.21.99 with SMTP id u3mr3961577ige.43.1417126108203; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.50.18 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:08:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Red Hat Event imorgon From: Martin Jernberg To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1092538313==" Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sender: "foss-sthlm" --===============1092538313== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd768264811de0508de62b3 --047d7bd768264811de0508de62b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable inte imorgon men eventuellt ett sp=C3=A4nnande event 10:e December om n=C3= =A5n mer =C3=A4r sugen: https://engage.redhat.com/devops-breakfast-se-e-20141117 //Martin 2014-11-10 8:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Jernberg : > Event tips om n=C3=A5gon =C3=A4r intresserad imorgon: > https://engage.redhat.com/tech-forum-sweden-e-201409220243-sv?sc_cid=3D70= 160000000e72MAAQ > > //Martin > --047d7bd768264811de0508de62b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
inte imorgon men eventuellt ett sp=C3=A4nnande event = 10:e December om n=C3=A5n mer =C3=A4r sugen: https://engage.redhat.com/devops-bre= akfast-se-e-20141117

//Martin

2014-11-10 8:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Je= rnberg <droidbittin@gmail.com>:
Event tips om n=C3=A5gon =C3=A4r intressera= d imorgon: https://engage.redh= at.com/tech-forum-sweden-e-201409220243-sv?sc_cid=3D70160000000e72MAAQ<= span class=3D"HOEnZb">

<= span class=3D"HOEnZb">//Martin

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Super sn=C3=A4llt... men jag ser ingen registrering s= =C3=A5 det =C3=A4r bara att rulla in d=C3=A5 antar jag.
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= MVH.mL

2= 014-11-27 23:08 GMT+01:00 Martin Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com&g= t;:
inte imo= rgon men eventuellt ett sp=C3=A4nnande event 10:e December om n=C3=A5n mer = =C3=A4r sugen: https://engage.redhat.com/devops-breakfast-se-e-= 20141117

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//Martin

2014-11-10 8:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Je= rnberg <droidbittin@gmail.com>:
Event tips om n=C3=A5gon =C3=A4r intressera= d imorgon: https://engage.redh= at.com/tech-forum-sweden-e-201409220243-sv?sc_cid=3D70160000000e72MAAQ<= span>

//Martin


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