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From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-=C3=B6l, 23/10, Stockholm
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Hejsan gott folk

Torsdagen den 23:e oktober sl=C3=A4pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att =C3=
=A4r en
alldeles utm=C3=A4rkt urs=C3=A4kt att tr=C3=A4ffas, dricka =C3=B6l och prat=
a lite Ubuntu.

H=C3=A4r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta p=C3=A5 Pitcher=E2=80=99s Mariato=
rget 1A, fr=C3=A5n
klockan 18:30 och fram=C3=A5t. G=C3=B6r mig g=C3=A4rna s=C3=A4llskap!

Hojta g=C3=A4rna till ifall ni t=C3=A4nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag =
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// Andreas

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vad kul!!!! synd att jag kan inte komma!

Pam


Den den 14 oktober 2014 klockan 20:02 skrev Martin Jernberg
<hackerbittin@googlemail.com>:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-=C3=B6l, 23/10, Stockholm
> To: Ubuntu Sverige <ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
>
> Hejsan gott folk
>
> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober sl=C3=A4pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att =
=C3=A4r en
> alldeles utm=C3=A4rkt urs=C3=A4kt att tr=C3=A4ffas, dricka =C3=B6l och pr=
ata lite Ubuntu.
>
> H=C3=A4r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta p=C3=A5 Pitcher=E2=80=99s Maria=
torget 1A, fr=C3=A5n
> klockan 18:30 och fram=C3=A5t. G=C3=B6r mig g=C3=A4rna s=C3=A4llskap!
>
> Hojta g=C3=A4rna till ifall ni t=C3=A4nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan ja=
g t=C3=A4nka
> mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler =C3=A4n b=
ara
> n=C3=A5gra stycken.
>
> // Andreas

-------------------
Pamela Fuentes
www.trauco.com

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   <br/>
   Den den 14 oktober 2014 klockan 20:02 skrev Martin Jernberg &#60;hackerb=
ittin@googlemail.com&#62;:
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   &#62; ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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   &#62; From: Andreas Olsson &#60;andreas@arrakis.se&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
   <br/>
   &#62; Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-&#246;l, 23/10, Stockholm
   <br/>
   &#62; To: Ubuntu Sverige &#60;ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com&#62;
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   &#62;
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   &#62; Hejsan gott folk
   <br/>
   &#62;
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   &#62; Torsdagen den 23:e oktober sl&#228;pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker ja=
g att &#228;r en
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   <br/>
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   &#62; H&#228;r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta p&#229; Pitcher=E2=80=99=
s Mariatorget 1A, fr&#229;n
   <br/>
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ap!
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   &#62;
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 kan jag t&#228;nka
   <br/>
   &#62; mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler &#=
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Jag gillar Ã¶l och Ubuntu, sÃ¥ jag kommer gÃ¤rna. Gillar Ã¤ven mat, fÃ¶r den 
delen. :)

Johan Svensson

On 2014-10-14 20:02, Martin Jernberg wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
> To: Ubuntu Sverige <ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
>
> Hejsan gott folk
>
> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
> alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.
>
> HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
> klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!
>
> Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
> mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
> nÃ¥gra stycken.
>
> // Andreas
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jag gillar Ã¶l och Ubuntu, sÃ¥ jag kommer
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
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Hejsan gott folk

Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.

HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!

Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
nÃ¥gra stycken.

// Andreas
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Kul! Vet inte fÃ¶rrÃ¤n sent om jag kan dock.

On 14/10/14 20:02, Martin Jernberg wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
> To: Ubuntu Sverige <ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
> 
> Hejsan gott folk
> 
> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
> alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.
> 
> HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
> klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!
> 
> Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
> mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
> nÃ¥gra stycken.
> 
> // Andreas
> 
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Lite gammal trÃ¥d iofs.. men nu har jag ocksÃ¥ bÃ¶rjat fundera pÃ¥ att
sÃ¤tta ihop en laptop till dottern, hon Ã¤r inte sÃ¥ gammal (snart 2) men
har ju
bÃ¶rjat intressera sig fÃ¶r datorer, och efterssom jag sjÃ¤lv kÃ¶er linux
bÃ¥de hemma och pÃ¥ jobbet sÃ¥ vill jag ju fÃ¶rstÃ¥s styra in henne pÃ¥ rÃ¤tt
vÃ¤g :)

Jag har ju precis som andra en trave gamla laptops liggandes, tyvÃ¤rr
Ã¤r dom flesta typ P4-klass, kanske 512M RAM eller nÃ¥t.. en modern
linuxdist
funkar ju inte pÃ¥ detta.

Finns det nÃ¥n bra dist som Ã¤r lite mer lÃ¤ttdriven ? men uppdaterad
fortfarande ? ..och lÃ¤mplig fÃ¶r barn ?

Helst ska den vara baserad pÃ¥ RH/Centos/SL/fedora, men debian kan vÃ¤l
duga, jag slipper helst ubuntu.

Glenn


2014-08-15 14:36 GMT+02:00 Mats Lidell <mats.lidell@cag.se>:
> Hej Per,
>
> Tror jag har en sÃ¥dan liggande hemma. Jag kollar i kvÃ¤ll och
> Ã¥terkommer.
>
> HÃ¤lsningar Mats
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> FrÃ¥n: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
> Skickat: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:41:18 +0200
> Ã„mne: Liten laptop till barn?
>
> Hej!
>
> Jag fÃ¶rsÃ¶ker fÃ¥ tag i en Eeepc 901 som ska bli en
> fÃ¶delsedagspresent till en treÃ¥ring. Helst vill jag hitta
> Linuxvarianten som har stÃ¶rre SSD-disk.
>
> Datorn kommer sen att kÃ¶ra Debian Junior, en s.k.
> Pure blend av Debian, dvs Debian i botten med
> paketlistor med utvalda och rekommenderade
> paket fÃ¶r mÃ¥lgruppen.
>
>
> Det verkar svÃ¥rt att hitta Eeepc, har kollat Blocket
> och Tradera. Finns ju pÃ¥ Ebay men jag vill ha
> nordiskt qwerty-tangentbord. Jag trodde att alla
> och deras vÃ¤nner kÃ¶pte Eeepc nÃ¤r det begav sig.
> Hade en tidigare till Planka.nu GÃ¶teborg nÃ¤r de
> var nya och fina och det funkade riktigt bra att
> installera Debian pÃ¥ den dÃ¥.
>
>
> Till de som kÃ¤nner smÃ¥ barn som Ã¤r datoranvÃ¤ndare,
> vad anvÃ¤nder de? Det Ã¤r en "riktig" kreativ dator som Ã¤r
> aktuellt, inga paddor eller andra
> "konsumeringsmaskiner".
>
> Jag har ju kollat i nÃ¥gra Ã¥r pÃ¥ fri programvara fÃ¶r
> barn och ungdomar. Har sett lite olika program och
> distributioner och lÃ¤st om lite olika historier
> (Debianutvecklaren John Goerzen har fina bloggposter).
>
> NÃ¥gra tips om programvara?
>
>
> --
> Per
>
> PS. Kom gÃ¤rna fÃ¶rbi firandet av Debian Day pÃ¥
> O'Learys i Kista kl 17 pÃ¥ fredag och snacka om
> teknik fÃ¶r barn. DS.
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2014-10-18 17:58 GMT+02:00 Glenn <foss@repulsiv.se>:
> Lite gammal trÃ¥d iofs.. men nu har jag ocksÃ¥ bÃ¶rjat fundera pÃ¥ att
> sÃ¤tta ihop en laptop till dottern, hon Ã¤r inte sÃ¥ gammal (snart 2) men
> har ju
> bÃ¶rjat intressera sig fÃ¶r datorer, och efterssom jag sjÃ¤lv kÃ¶er linux
> bÃ¥de hemma och pÃ¥ jobbet sÃ¥ vill jag ju fÃ¶rstÃ¥s styra in henne pÃ¥ rÃ¤tt
> vÃ¤g :)
>
> Jag har ju precis som andra en trave gamla laptops liggandes, tyvÃ¤rr
> Ã¤r dom flesta typ P4-klass, kanske 512M RAM eller nÃ¥t.. en modern
> linuxdist
> funkar ju inte pÃ¥ detta.

Beror vÃ¤l pÃ¥ vad du har fÃ¶r krav.

Ska du kÃ¶ra 3d-accelererade spel gÃ¥r de nog bort, eller film/youtube etc
fÃ¶r den delen.

En hel del programvara fÃ¶r barn har inte speciellt stora krav pÃ¥
prestanda.


> Finns det nÃ¥n bra dist som Ã¤r lite mer lÃ¤ttdriven ? men uppdaterad
> fortfarande ? ..och lÃ¤mplig fÃ¶r barn ?

Jag kan rekommendera Debian Jr eller DouDouLinux (DDL verkar ha
gÃ¥tt i stÃ¥ lite dock).

Debian Jr inte polerad med grafiska miljÃ¶er osv, det fÃ¥r anvÃ¤ndarna
fixa sjÃ¤lva (jag kan rekommendera t ex LXDE eller Xfce fÃ¶r mindre
kraftfulla datorer). DouDouLinux har en hel del mÃ¶jligheter dock, frÃ¥n
att logga in direkt till Gcompris till olika simpla grafiska miljÃ¶er.


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KÃ¶r sjÃ¤lv Linux Mint med god prestanda fÃ¶r barn-bruk pÃ¥ en Dell D630, 
har inte spec. i huvudet men det Ã¤r lÃ¤ttkollat... /Patrik
Per Andersson skrev den 2014-10-19 18:58:
> 2014-10-18 17:58 GMT+02:00 Glenn <foss@repulsiv.se>:
>> Lite gammal trÃ¥d iofs.. men nu har jag ocksÃ¥ bÃ¶rjat fundera pÃ¥ att
>> sÃ¤tta ihop en laptop till dottern, hon Ã¤r inte sÃ¥ gammal (snart 2) men
>> har ju
>> bÃ¶rjat intressera sig fÃ¶r datorer, och efterssom jag sjÃ¤lv kÃ¶er linux
>> bÃ¥de hemma och pÃ¥ jobbet sÃ¥ vill jag ju fÃ¶rstÃ¥s styra in henne pÃ¥ rÃ¤tt
>> vÃ¤g :)
>>
>> Jag har ju precis som andra en trave gamla laptops liggandes, tyvÃ¤rr
>> Ã¤r dom flesta typ P4-klass, kanske 512M RAM eller nÃ¥t.. en modern
>> linuxdist
>> funkar ju inte pÃ¥ detta.
> Beror vÃ¤l pÃ¥ vad du har fÃ¶r krav.
>
> Ska du kÃ¶ra 3d-accelererade spel gÃ¥r de nog bort, eller film/youtube etc
> fÃ¶r den delen.
>
> En hel del programvara fÃ¶r barn har inte speciellt stora krav pÃ¥
> prestanda.
>
>
>> Finns det nÃ¥n bra dist som Ã¤r lite mer lÃ¤ttdriven ? men uppdaterad
>> fortfarande ? ..och lÃ¤mplig fÃ¶r barn ?
> Jag kan rekommendera Debian Jr eller DouDouLinux (DDL verkar ha
> gÃ¥tt i stÃ¥ lite dock).
>
> Debian Jr inte polerad med grafiska miljÃ¶er osv, det fÃ¥r anvÃ¤ndarna
> fixa sjÃ¤lva (jag kan rekommendera t ex LXDE eller Xfce fÃ¶r mindre
> kraftfulla datorer). DouDouLinux har en hel del mÃ¶jligheter dock, frÃ¥n
> att logga in direkt till Gcompris till olika simpla grafiska miljÃ¶er.
>
>
> --
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Ã„r detta aktuellt eller Ã¤r intresset svalt?

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> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
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>
> Hejsan gott folk
>
> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
> alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.
>
> HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
> klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!
>
> Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
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Hejsan gott folk

Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.

HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!

Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
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Hej!
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ons 2014-10-22 klockan 16:28 +0200 skrev Johan Svensson:
> =C3=84r detta aktuellt eller =C3=A4r intresset svalt?

Jor=C3=A5, det =C3=A4r aktuellt.

Har v=C3=A4l h=C3=B6rt av en sis=C3=A5d=C3=A4r fem pers fr=C3=A5n olika h=
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// Andreas

> On 14/10/14 20:02, Martin Jernberg wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
> > Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
> > Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-=C3=B6l, 23/10, Stockholm
> > To: Ubuntu Sverige <ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
> >
> > Hejsan gott folk
> >
> > Torsdagen den 23:e oktober sl=C3=A4pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att=
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> > alldeles utm=C3=A4rkt urs=C3=A4kt att tr=C3=A4ffas, dricka =C3=B6l och =
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> > H=C3=A4r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta p=C3=A5 Pitcher=E2=80=99s Mar=
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> > klockan 18:30 och fram=C3=A5t. G=C3=B6r mig g=C3=A4rna s=C3=A4llskap!
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> > // Andreas
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Tjena!

Jag dyker upp runt 18:30. Kan jag fÃ¥ ditt nummer sÃ¥ jag kan treva mig 
rÃ¤tt ifall det Ã¤r mycket folk dÃ¤r och det inte Ã¤r uppenbart vilket 
sÃ¤llskap jag ska till? :)

Mitt Ã¤r 0705955621.

Johan

On 22/10/14 17:19, Andreas Olsson wrote:
> ons 2014-10-22 klockan 16:28 +0200 skrev Johan Svensson:
>> Ã„r detta aktuellt eller Ã¤r intresset svalt?
> JorÃ¥, det Ã¤r aktuellt.
>
> Har vÃ¤l hÃ¶rt av en sisÃ¥dÃ¤r fem pers frÃ¥n olika hÃ¥ll.
>
> // Andreas
>
>> On 14/10/14 20:02, Martin Jernberg wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>
>>> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
>>> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
>>> To: Ubuntu Sverige <ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>
>>> Hejsan gott folk
>>>
>>> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
>>> alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
>>> klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!
>>>
>>> Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
>>> mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
>>> nÃ¥gra stycken.
>>>
>>> // Andreas
>>>
>>>
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    Tjena!<br>
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    Jag dyker upp runt 18:30. Kan jag fÃ¥ ditt nummer sÃ¥ jag kan treva
    mig rÃ¤tt ifall det Ã¤r mycket folk dÃ¤r och det inte Ã¤r uppenbart
    vilket sÃ¤llskap jag ska till? :)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/10/14 17:19, Andreas Olsson
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JorÃ¥, det Ã¤r aktuellt.

Har vÃ¤l hÃ¶rt av en sisÃ¥dÃ¤r fem pers frÃ¥n olika hÃ¥ll.

// Andreas

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From: Andreas Olsson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andreas@arrakis.se">&lt;andreas@arrakis.se&gt;</a>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
To: Ubuntu Sverige <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com">&lt;ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com&gt;</a>

Hejsan gott folk

Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.

HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!

Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
nÃ¥gra stycken.

// Andreas


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Bah. Sorry. Detta skulle ju sÃ¥klart inte till hela listan. Var snÃ¤lla 
med mitt nummer nu! :P

On 23/10/14 14:24, Johan Svensson wrote:
> Tjena!
>
> Jag dyker upp runt 18:30. Kan jag fÃ¥ ditt nummer sÃ¥ jag kan treva mig 
> rÃ¤tt ifall det Ã¤r mycket folk dÃ¤r och det inte Ã¤r uppenbart vilket 
> sÃ¤llskap jag ska till? :)
>
> Mitt Ã¤r 0705955621.
>
> Johan
>
> On 22/10/14 17:19, Andreas Olsson wrote:
>> ons 2014-10-22 klockan 16:28 +0200 skrev Johan Svensson:
>>> Ã„r detta aktuellt eller Ã¤r intresset svalt?
>> JorÃ¥, det Ã¤r aktuellt.
>>
>> Har vÃ¤l hÃ¶rt av en sisÃ¥dÃ¤r fem pers frÃ¥n olika hÃ¥ll.
>>
>> // Andreas
>>
>>> On 14/10/14 20:02, Martin Jernberg wrote:
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Andreas Olsson<andreas@arrakis.se>
>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
>>>> Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
>>>> To: Ubuntu Sverige<ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hejsan gott folk
>>>>
>>>> Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
>>>> alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
>>>> klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!
>>>>
>>>> Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
>>>> mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
>>>> nÃ¥gra stycken.
>>>>
>>>> // Andreas
>>>>
>>>>
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    Bah. Sorry. Detta skulle ju sÃ¥klart inte till hela listan. Var
    snÃ¤lla med mitt nummer nu! :P<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/10/14 14:24, Johan Svensson
      wrote:<br>
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      Tjena!<br>
      <br>
      Jag dyker upp runt 18:30. Kan jag fÃ¥ ditt nummer sÃ¥ jag kan treva
      mig rÃ¤tt ifall det Ã¤r mycket folk dÃ¤r och det inte Ã¤r uppenbart
      vilket sÃ¤llskap jag ska till? :)<br>
      <br>
      Mitt Ã¤r 0705955621.<br>
      <br>
      Johan<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/10/14 17:19, Andreas Olsson
        wrote:<br>
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        type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">ons 2014-10-22 klockan 16:28 +0200 skrev Johan Svensson:
</pre>
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          <pre wrap="">Ã„r detta aktuellt eller Ã¤r intresset svalt?
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">JorÃ¥, det Ã¤r aktuellt.

Har vÃ¤l hÃ¶rt av en sisÃ¥dÃ¤r fem pers frÃ¥n olika hÃ¥ll.

// Andreas

</pre>
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            <pre wrap="">---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andreas Olsson <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andreas@arrakis.se">&lt;andreas@arrakis.se&gt;</a>
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:07:32 +0200
Subject: Ubuntu 14.10, release-Ã¶l, 23/10, Stockholm
To: Ubuntu Sverige <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com">&lt;ubuntu-se@lists.ubuntu.com&gt;</a>

Hejsan gott folk

Torsdagen den 23:e oktober slÃ¤pps Ubuntu 14.10. Det tycker jag att Ã¤r en
alldeles utmÃ¤rkt ursÃ¤kt att trÃ¤ffas, dricka Ã¶l och prata lite Ubuntu.

HÃ¤r i Stockholm kommer jag att sitta pÃ¥ Pitcherâ€™s Mariatorget 1A, frÃ¥n
klockan 18:30 och framÃ¥t. GÃ¶r mig gÃ¤rna sÃ¤llskap!

Hojta gÃ¤rna till ifall ni tÃ¤nker dyka upp. Om inte annat kan jag tÃ¤nka
mig att man vill boka bord ifall det visar sig att vi blir fler Ã¤n bara
nÃ¥gra stycken.

// Andreas


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Hejsan

Vad skulle du vilja höra, se eller göra på en foss-sthlmsammankomst framöver?

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Halloj,
Kanske n=C3=A5got om tizen, firefoxOS, sailfish kunde vara kul ??

Cobol open source och stordatorer ... =3D)  men d=C3=A4r =C3=A4r det kanske=
 bara jag
som skulle vara intresserad d=C3=A4r ...

Varf=C3=B6r inte lite cephFS och liknande...


/mL

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source och stordatorer ... =3D)=C2=A0 men d=C3=A4r =C3=A4r det kanske bara =
jag som skulle vara intresserad d=C3=A4r ...<br></div><div><br></div><div>V=
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div><div><font size=3D"1"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"1">*ledsen f=
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<br>
Vad skulle du vilja h=C3=B6ra, se eller g=C3=B6ra p=C3=A5 en foss-sthlmsamm=
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<br>
Vi firar f=C3=B6r =C3=B6vrigt j=C3=A4mt n=C3=A4sta g=C3=A5ng. Det 0x10:e ti=
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Antar att det Ã¤r ok att vara subjektiv. I sÃ¥ fall: Ljudtema! Skapa 
(o)ljud, musik och effekter med fri och Ã¶ppen programvara.

Johan

On 28/10/14 13:05, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> Hejsan
>
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> Vi firar fÃ¶r Ã¶vrigt jÃ¤mt nÃ¤sta gÃ¥ng. Det 0x10:e tillfÃ¤llet! =)
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ons 2014-10-29 klockan 09:27 +0100 skrev Johan Svensson:
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Hej,

jag hjÃ¤lper Init att arrangera Ã¥rets upplaga av deras techday nu i slutet pÃ¥ November - nÃ¤rmare bestÃ¤mt torsdagen den 27:e. Ã…rets tema Ã¤r Ã¥t sÃ¤kerhetshÃ¥llet. Det Ã¤r en heldag med lunch och em fika. De flesta presentationerna Ã¤r spikade men ett par till kommer att annonseras inom snar framtid. 

Kom hela dagen, halva eller bara pÃ¥ det ni Ã¤r intresserade av och stÃ¤ll jobbiga frÃ¥gor till era vÃ¤nner som talar ;)

http://www.meetup.com/Techday-by-Init/events/214720932/

/Claes
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F=C3=B6r den intresserade s=C3=A5 finns det en intressant blogpost om banka=
ppen Swish
och ett eventuellt fynd av GPL-kod i den som ingen vill k=C3=A4nnas vid. Ko=
den
=C3=A4r "Moxie Marlinspike's1 AndroidPinning to be precise, licensed under =
the
GPLv3"

http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service/

L=C3=A4s g=C3=A4rna i kommentarerna d=C3=A4r personen som har skrivit kodbi=
blioteket
uttalar sig p=C3=A5 Twitter att han inte k=C3=A4nner till det.

En fr=C3=A5ga till er som =C3=A4r erfarna inom FOSS hur g=C3=B6r man i ett =
s=C3=A5dant h=C3=A4r
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<div dir=3D"ltr">F=C3=B6r den intresserade s=C3=A5 finns det en intressant =
blogpost om bankappen Swish och ett eventuellt fynd av GPL-kod i den som in=
gen vill k=C3=A4nnas vid. Koden =C3=A4r &quot;Moxie Marlinspike&#39;s1 Andr=
oidPinning to be precise, licensed under the GPLv3&quot;<div><br></div><div=
><a href=3D"http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service=
/">http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service/</a><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>L=C3=A4s g=C3=A4rna i kommentarerna d=C3=A4r pers=
onen som har skrivit kodbiblioteket uttalar sig p=C3=A5 Twitter att han int=
e k=C3=A4nner till det.<br></div><div><br></div><div>En fr=C3=A5ga till er =
som =C3=A4r erfarna inom FOSS hur g=C3=B6r man i ett s=C3=A5dant h=C3=A4r f=
all?=C2=A0</div><div>Dvs n=C3=A4r man tror att n=C3=A5gon anv=C3=A4nder FOS=
S utan att f=C3=B6lja licensvillkoren?</div><div>Vad kr=C3=A4vs f=C3=B6r at=
t bevisa att man anv=C3=A4nder viss kod, r=C3=A4cker det med en disassemble=
ring eller m=C3=A5ste utgivaren erk=C3=A4nna att han anv=C3=A4nder det?</di=
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Johan wrote:
> 
> http://blog.nullbyte.eu/open-curtains-in-swish-payments-service/
> 

"Swish, developed by HiQ for Sweden's six major banks (Danske Bank, 
Handelsbanken, LÃ¤nsfÃ¶rsÃ¤kringar Bank, Nordea, SEB and Swedbank/Sparbankerna), 
lets its users send and receive instant payments without the hassle of 
bank transfers."

Finns det nÃ¥gon frÃ¥n HiQ hÃ¤r pÃ¥ listan?

> En frÃ¥ga till er som Ã¤r erfarna inom FOSS hur gÃ¶r man i ett sÃ¥dant hÃ¤r
> fall?
> Dvs nÃ¤r man tror att nÃ¥gon anvÃ¤nder FOSS utan att fÃ¶lja licensvillkoren?
> Vad krÃ¤vs fÃ¶r att bevisa att man anvÃ¤nder viss kod, rÃ¤cker det med en
> disassemblering eller mÃ¥ste utgivaren erkÃ¤nna att han anvÃ¤nder det?

Jag tror att det vanligaste Ã¤r att nÃ¥gon utvecklare av misstag, stress och
obetÃ¤nksamhet har begÃ¥tt misstag. I de flesta fall jag hÃ¶rt talas
har det gÃ¥tt att resonera och licensproblemen lÃ¶sts. 

Om det finns nÃ¥got rÃ¤ttsprejudikat i Sverige vet jag inte, utan det tror 
jag det blir svÃ¥rt att sÃ¤ga nÃ¥got vettigt om vad som hÃ¤nder om en 
leverantÃ¶r skulle streta emot. Jag har svÃ¥rt att tÃ¤nka mig att en
sansad jurist skulle rekommendera en slarvig utvecklare att lÃ¥ta ett
slikt Ã¤rende gÃ¥ vidare till domstol.

Harald Welte har hÃ¥llt pÃ¥ med GPL-violations i mÃ¥nga Ã¥r, hÃ¤r finns lite
mer att lÃ¤sa.

http://gpl-violations.org/

Ilja
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2014-10-29 20:19 GMT+01:00 Ilja Hallberg <foss-sthml@zeke.regexp.se>:

> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Johan wrote:
>
> > En fr=C3=A5ga till er som =C3=A4r erfarna inom FOSS hur g=C3=B6r man i =
ett s=C3=A5dant h=C3=A4r
> > fall?
> > Dvs n=C3=A4r man tror att n=C3=A5gon anv=C3=A4nder FOSS utan att f=C3=
=B6lja licensvillkoren?
> > Vad kr=C3=A4vs f=C3=B6r att bevisa att man anv=C3=A4nder viss kod, r=C3=
=A4cker det med en
> > disassemblering eller m=C3=A5ste utgivaren erk=C3=A4nna att han anv=C3=
=A4nder det?
>

Om utvecklaren erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r det ju enkelt, men det verkar =
inte ske s=C3=A5
ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju m=C3=A5nga g=C3=A5nger verkar g=C3=A5 br=
a att g=C3=B6ra, och
utvecklaren =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 inte erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 f=C3=A5r man v=C3=A4l=
 g=C3=A5 till domstol.


> Jag tror att det vanligaste =C3=A4r att n=C3=A5gon utvecklare av misstag,=
 stress och
> obet=C3=A4nksamhet har beg=C3=A5tt misstag. I de flesta fall jag h=C3=B6r=
t talas
> har det g=C3=A5tt att resonera och licensproblemen l=C3=B6sts.
>

Ibland =C3=A4r det s=C3=A5 (misstag, stress osv.), men vanligare =C3=A4r no=
g att n=C3=A4stan
ingen programvaruutveckling idag g=C3=B6rs utan att stoppa in en del floss-=
kod.
S=C3=A5 om HiQ tog ett bra bibliotek ist=C3=A4llet f=C3=B6r att utveckla et=
t eget s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r
dom alldeles normala. :-)



> Om det finns n=C3=A5got r=C3=A4ttsprejudikat i Sverige vet jag inte, utan=
 det tror
> jag det blir sv=C3=A5rt att s=C3=A4ga n=C3=A5got vettigt om vad som h=C3=
=A4nder om en
> leverant=C3=B6r skulle streta emot. Jag har sv=C3=A5rt att t=C3=A4nka mig=
 att en
> sansad jurist skulle rekommendera en slarvig utvecklare att l=C3=A5ta ett
> slikt =C3=A4rende g=C3=A5 vidare till domstol.


Vad jag vet har floss fortfarande aldrig tagits upp i svensk domstol. Men
jag finner det sannolikt att OM HiQ har petat in ett GPLv3-licensierat
bibliotek i Swish och de v=C3=A4grar f=C3=B6lja licensvillkoren och n=C3=A5=
gon
upphovsr=C3=A4ttsinnehavare (=C3=A4r det bara Moxie?) till biblioteket v=C3=
=A4ljer att g=C3=A5
till domstol s=C3=A5 skulle jag gissa att svensk domstol kommer d=C3=B6ma l=
ikadant
som de tyska har gjort (=3D GPL g=C3=A4ller).

Vi andra kan ju forts=C3=A4tta att be bankerna om k=C3=A4llkoden. :-)

/D

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014=
-10-29 20:19 GMT+01:00 Ilja Hallberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:foss-sthml@zeke.regexp.se" target=3D"_blank">foss-sthml@zeke.regexp.se</a=
>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 07:=
50:13PM +0100, Johan wrote:<br><span class=3D""><br>
&gt; En fr=C3=A5ga till er som =C3=A4r erfarna inom FOSS hur g=C3=B6r man i=
 ett s=C3=A5dant h=C3=A4r<br>
&gt; fall?<br>
&gt; Dvs n=C3=A4r man tror att n=C3=A5gon anv=C3=A4nder FOSS utan att f=C3=
=B6lja licensvillkoren?<br>
&gt; Vad kr=C3=A4vs f=C3=B6r att bevisa att man anv=C3=A4nder viss kod, r=
=C3=A4cker det med en<br>
&gt; disassemblering eller m=C3=A5ste utgivaren erk=C3=A4nna att han anv=C3=
=A4nder det?<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Om utvecklaren erk=
=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r det ju enkelt, men det verkar inte ske s=C3=A5 o=
fta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju m=C3=A5nga g=C3=A5nger verkar g=C3=A5 bra=
 att g=C3=B6ra, och utvecklaren =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 inte erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 f=
=C3=A5r man v=C3=A4l g=C3=A5 till domstol.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">Jag tror att det vanligaste =C3=A4r att n=C3=A5gon utv=
ecklare av misstag, stress och<br>
obet=C3=A4nksamhet har beg=C3=A5tt misstag. I de flesta fall jag h=C3=B6rt =
talas<br>
har det g=C3=A5tt att resonera och licensproblemen l=C3=B6sts.<br></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>Ibland =C3=A4r det s=C3=A5 (misstag, stress osv.), =
men vanligare =C3=A4r nog att n=C3=A4stan ingen programvaruutveckling idag =
g=C3=B6rs utan att stoppa in en del floss-kod. S=C3=A5 om HiQ tog ett bra b=
ibliotek ist=C3=A4llet f=C3=B6r att utveckla ett eget s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r dom a=
lldeles normala. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">Om det finns n=C3=A5got r=C3=A4ttsprejudikat i Sverige vet ja=
g inte, utan det tror<br>
jag det blir sv=C3=A5rt att s=C3=A4ga n=C3=A5got vettigt om vad som h=C3=A4=
nder om en<br>
leverant=C3=B6r skulle streta emot. Jag har sv=C3=A5rt att t=C3=A4nka mig a=
tt en<br>
sansad jurist skulle rekommendera en slarvig utvecklare att l=C3=A5ta ett<b=
r>
slikt =C3=A4rende g=C3=A5 vidare till domstol.</blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>Vad jag vet har floss fortfarande aldrig tagits upp i svensk domstol. M=
en jag finner det sannolikt att OM HiQ har petat in ett GPLv3-licensierat b=
ibliotek i Swish och de v=C3=A4grar f=C3=B6lja licensvillkoren och n=C3=A5g=
on upphovsr=C3=A4ttsinnehavare (=C3=A4r det bara Moxie?) till biblioteket v=
=C3=A4ljer att g=C3=A5 till domstol s=C3=A5 skulle jag gissa att svensk dom=
stol kommer d=C3=B6ma likadant som de tyska har gjort (=3D GPL g=C3=A4ller)=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Vi andra kan ju forts=C3=A4tta att be bankerna o=
m k=C3=A4llkoden. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>/D</div></div></div></div>

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Daniel Melin wrote:

> Om utvecklaren erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ Ã¤r det ju enkelt, men det verkar inte ske sÃ¥ 
> ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju mÃ¥nga gÃ¥nger verkar gÃ¥ bra att gÃ¶ra, och 
> utvecklaren Ã¤ndÃ¥ inte erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ fÃ¥r man vÃ¤l gÃ¥ till domstol.

DÃ¤r "man" alltsÃ¥ Ã¤r copyright-Ã¤garen eller nÃ¥gon som representerar denne. 
Eller hur?

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Den 2014-10-29 23:13, Daniel Stenberg skrev:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Daniel Melin wrote:
>
>> Om utvecklaren erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ Ã¤r det ju enkelt, men det verkar inte ske sÃ¥ ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju mÃ¥nga gÃ¥nger verkar gÃ¥ bra att gÃ¶ra, och utvecklaren Ã¤ndÃ¥ inte erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ fÃ¥r man vÃ¤l gÃ¥ till domstol.
>
> DÃ¤r "man" alltsÃ¥ Ã¤r copyright-Ã¤garen eller nÃ¥gon som representerar denne. Eller hur?


Enligt GPL har alla anvÃ¤ndare av appen rÃ¤tt till koden.


SÃ¥ alla som kÃ¶r Bank-ID appen har rÃ¤tt att krÃ¤va ut koden.

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2014-10-29 23:13 GMT+01:00 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:

> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Daniel Melin wrote:
>
>  Om utvecklaren erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r det ju enkelt, men det verk=
ar inte ske s=C3=A5
>> ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju m=C3=A5nga g=C3=A5nger verkar g=C3=A5=
 bra att g=C3=B6ra, och
>> utvecklaren =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 inte erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 f=C3=A5r man v=C3=
=A4l g=C3=A5 till domstol.
>>
>
> D=C3=A4r "man" allts=C3=A5 =C3=A4r copyright-=C3=A4garen eller n=C3=A5gon=
 som representerar denne.
> Eller hur?


Ja och nej. Upphovsr=C3=A4ttsinnehavaren kan g=C3=A5 till domstol och h=C3=
=A4vda
upphovsr=C3=A4ttsintr=C3=A5ng d=C3=A5 bankerna/HiQ distribuerar upphovsr=C3=
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k=C3=A4llkod i strid med de licensvillkor denne valt. Allts=C3=A5 samma typ=
 av m=C3=A5l
som GPL violations driver.

Men det torde ocks=C3=A5 vara m=C3=B6jligt att en bankkund som laddat ner a=
ppen och
kan bevisa att man f=C3=A5tt en applikation utan k=C3=A4llkod och detta str=
ider mot
licensen i en del av koden. Detta skulle, gissar jag, vara n=C3=A5gon sorts=
 m=C3=A5l
om avtalsbrott. Men jag vet inte tillr=C3=A4ckligt mycket om detta f=C3=B6r=
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vilket lagrum som skulle vara till=C3=A4mpligt.

/D

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014=
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lto:daniel@haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;</span>:<br><bl=
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t-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Daniel Melin wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
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Om utvecklaren erk=C3=A4nner s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r det ju enkelt, men det verkar =
inte ske s=C3=A5 ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju m=C3=A5nga g=C3=A5nger =
verkar g=C3=A5 bra att g=C3=B6ra, och utvecklaren =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 inte erk=
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<br></span>
D=C3=A4r &quot;man&quot; allts=C3=A5 =C3=A4r copyright-=C3=A4garen eller n=
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e valt. Allts=C3=A5 samma typ av m=C3=A5l som GPL violations driver.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Men det torde ocks=C3=A5 vara m=C3=B6jligt att en bankku=
nd som laddat ner appen och kan bevisa att man f=C3=A5tt en applikation uta=
n k=C3=A4llkod och detta strider mot licensen i en del av koden. Detta skul=
le, gissar jag, vara n=C3=A5gon sorts m=C3=A5l om avtalsbrott. Men jag vet =
inte tillr=C3=A4ckligt mycket om detta f=C3=B6r att veta vilket lagrum som =
skulle vara till=C3=A4mpligt.</div><div><br></div><div>/D</div></div></div>=
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Daniel Melin skrev 2014-10-30 06:20:
> 
>     DÃ¤r "man" alltsÃ¥ Ã¤r copyright-Ã¤garen eller nÃ¥gon som representerar
>     denne. Eller hur?
> 
> 
> Ja och nej. UpphovsrÃ¤ttsinnehavaren kan gÃ¥ till domstol och hÃ¤vda
> upphovsrÃ¤ttsintrÃ¥ng dÃ¥ bankerna/HiQ distribuerar
> upphovsrÃ¤ttsinnehavarens kÃ¤llkod i strid med de licensvillkor denne
> valt. AlltsÃ¥ samma typ av mÃ¥l som GPL violations driver.
> 
> Men det torde ocksÃ¥ vara mÃ¶jligt att en bankkund som laddat ner appen
> och kan bevisa att man fÃ¥tt en applikation utan kÃ¤llkod och detta
> strider mot licensen i en del av koden. Detta skulle, gissar jag, vara
> nÃ¥gon sorts mÃ¥l om avtalsbrott. Men jag vet inte tillrÃ¤ckligt mycket om
> detta fÃ¶r att veta vilket lagrum som skulle vara tillÃ¤mpligt.

Hejsan!

I.a.n.l. :-)

NÃ¥gon som laddat ner appen kan tyvÃ¤rr inte gÃ¥ till domstol. Inget brott
har begÃ¥tts i detta led. I och med att programmet slÃ¤pptes under en
annan licens Ã¤n GPL sÃ¥ begicks ett brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten alternativt
avtalsbrott mellan den som skrivit koden och den som slÃ¤ppt den under en
annan licens. Brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten faller under allmÃ¤nt Ã¥tal men fÃ¶r
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upphovsrÃ¤tt krÃ¤nkt anger detta eller sjÃ¤lv lÃ¤mnar en stÃ¤mningsansÃ¶kan.

Det Ã¤r alltsÃ¥ vÃ¤ldigt svÃ¥rt att gÃ¶ra nÃ¥got om man inte Ã¤r upphovsman.
Det man gÃ¶ra Ã¤r att upplysa upphovsmannen om detta. Vill han eller hon
gÃ¥ vidare kan till exempel FSFE hjÃ¤lpa till om han eller hon vill det.

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Den 2014-10-30 07:06, "Marcus RejÃ¥s (FSFE)" skrev:

> Det Ã¤r alltsÃ¥ vÃ¤ldigt svÃ¥rt att gÃ¶ra nÃ¥got om man inte Ã¤r upphovsman.
> Det man gÃ¶ra Ã¤r att upplysa upphovsmannen om detta. Vill han eller hon
> gÃ¥ vidare kan till exempel FSFE hjÃ¤lpa till om han eller hon vill det.
>
>    /Marcus
>

Jag kÃ¤nner till ett svenskt fall dÃ¤r en anvÃ¤ndare fick ett fÃ¶retag att slÃ¤ppa koden.
SÃ¥ ja det rÃ¤cker med det om man dÃ¥ vill sÃ¤ga till fÃ¶retag pÃ¥ skarpen.

FÃ¶r de mycket stora majoriteten av dessa fall avgÃ¶rs inte i domstol utan genom att
nÃ¥gon talar fÃ¶retaget som gjort fel tillrÃ¤tta.

NÃ¤r fÃ¶retaget sedan talat med sina advokater sÃ¥ vÃ¤ljer de normalt att slÃ¤ppa koden.

Det finns dock ett exempel pÃ¥ ett svenskt fÃ¶retag som dÃ¥ gjorde fel men valde och dÃ¥
skriva om sin kod och sluta anvÃ¤nda Ã¶ppna kÃ¤llkoden - i det fallet orkade ingen
dra dem till domstol sÃ¥ inget mer hÃ¤nde Ã¤n sÃ¥.

I denna typ av fall kan det nog oftast vara bÃ¤st att inte gÃ¥ ut stort i media
fÃ¶r att dÃ¥ fÃ¥ fÃ¶retaget att skÃ¤mmas utan fÃ¶rst ge dem chansen att fixa vad de gjort.
DÃ¥ slipper fÃ¶retaget skÃ¤mmas och slipper mÃ¥la in sig i ett hÃ¶rn utan kan dÃ¥ fÃ¥ rÃ¤tten
att sjÃ¤lv gÃ¥ ut med att de slÃ¤pper koden fri sÃ¥ de sjÃ¤lva verkar vara hjÃ¤lten i affÃ¤ren.
Ett fÃ¶retag som gjorde sÃ¥ nÃ¤r de blev uppmÃ¤rksammade pÃ¥ detta Ã¤r Microsoft.


  

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2014-10-30 7:06 GMT+01:00 "Marcus Rej=C3=A5s (FSFE)" <rejas@fsfeurope.org>:

>
> I.a.n.l. :-)
>

Inte jag heller! :-)


> N=C3=A5gon som laddat ner appen kan tyv=C3=A4rr inte g=C3=A5 till domstol=
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> upphovsr=C3=A4tt kr=C3=A4nkt anger detta eller sj=C3=A4lv l=C3=A4mnar en =
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Intressant! =C3=84r du 100 % s=C3=A4ker p=C3=A5 att det inte finns n=C3=A5g=
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Anders S LindbÃ¤ck skrev 2014-10-30 07:35:
> 
> Jag kÃ¤nner till ett svenskt fall dÃ¤r en anvÃ¤ndare fick ett fÃ¶retag att
> slÃ¤ppa koden.
> SÃ¥ ja det rÃ¤cker med det om man dÃ¥ vill sÃ¤ga till fÃ¶retag pÃ¥ skarpen.
> 
> FÃ¶r de mycket stora majoriteten av dessa fall avgÃ¶rs inte i domstol utan
> genom att
> nÃ¥gon talar fÃ¶retaget som gjort fel tillrÃ¤tta.

Helt korrekt. Det Ã¤r vanligast och bÃ¤st. Det initiativet kan ju gÃ¶ras av
vem som helst och har redan gjorts.

> Det finns dock ett exempel pÃ¥ ett svenskt fÃ¶retag som dÃ¥ gjorde fel men
> valde och dÃ¥
> skriva om sin kod och sluta anvÃ¤nda Ã¶ppna kÃ¤llkoden - i det fallet
> orkade ingen
> dra dem till domstol sÃ¥ inget mer hÃ¤nde Ã¤n sÃ¥.

Jo, jag var med i utkanten av det fallet. Antar att det Ã¤r Voddler du
tÃ¤nker pÃ¥. En ganska trist lÃ¶sning.

> I denna typ av fall kan det nog oftast vara bÃ¤st att inte gÃ¥ ut stort i
> media
> fÃ¶r att dÃ¥ fÃ¥ fÃ¶retaget att skÃ¤mmas utan fÃ¶rst ge dem chansen att fixa
> vad de gjort.
> DÃ¥ slipper fÃ¶retaget skÃ¤mmas och slipper mÃ¥la in sig i ett hÃ¶rn utan kan
> dÃ¥ fÃ¥ rÃ¤tten
> att sjÃ¤lv gÃ¥ ut med att de slÃ¤pper koden fri sÃ¥ de sjÃ¤lva verkar vara
> hjÃ¤lten i affÃ¤ren.

Absolut.

  /Marcus


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Daniel Melin skrev 2014-10-30 07:50:
> 2014-10-30 7:06 GMT+01:00 "Marcus RejÃ¥s (FSFE)" <rejas@fsfeurope.org
> 
>     NÃ¥gon som laddat ner appen kan tyvÃ¤rr inte gÃ¥ till domstol. Inget brott
>     har begÃ¥tts i detta led. I och med att programmet slÃ¤pptes under en
>     annan licens Ã¤n GPL sÃ¥ begicks ett brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten alternativt
>     avtalsbrott mellan den som skrivit koden och den som slÃ¤ppt den under en
>     annan licens. Brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten faller under allmÃ¤nt Ã¥tal men fÃ¶r
>     att en Ã¥klagare skall gÃ¥ till domstol krÃ¤vs normalt att den som fÃ¥tt sin
>     upphovsrÃ¤tt krÃ¤nkt anger detta eller sjÃ¤lv lÃ¤mnar en stÃ¤mningsansÃ¶kan.
> 
> 
> Intressant! Ã„r du 100 % sÃ¤ker pÃ¥ att det inte finns nÃ¥gon legal
> mÃ¶jlighet? Jag vet sjÃ¤lv inte, men det Ã¤r ju bÃ¥de ett
> upphovsrÃ¤ttsintrÃ¥ng och ett avtalsbrott.

Jag Ã¤r i alla fall 100% sÃ¤ker pÃ¥ att jag inte kÃ¤nner till nÃ¥got sÃ¥dant
fall. Vilket inte innebÃ¤r att det Ã¤r 100% sÃ¤kert att det inte finns
nÃ¥gon legal mÃ¶jlighet.

"Googlade" lite. I en text pÃ¥ regeringens hemsida[1] stÃ¥r (angÃ¥ende
upphovsrÃ¤ttsintrÃ¥ng):

"Brottet faller under allmÃ¤nt Ã¥tal men fÃ¶r att en Ã¥klagare skall ta upp
fallet behÃ¶vs att mÃ¥lsÃ¤ganden, dvs. vanligen upphovsmannen, har gjort en
angivelse eller ocksÃ¥ att Ã¥tal anses behÃ¶vas frÃ¥n allmÃ¤n synpunkt, t.ex.
fÃ¶r att avskrÃ¤cka frÃ¥n piratkopiering av upphovsrÃ¤ttsskyddat material."

SÃ¥ hittar man en intresserad Ã¥klagare sÃ¥ finns en mÃ¶jlighet.

Avtalsbrott tror jag Ã¤r svÃ¥rare om man inte Ã¤r part i mÃ¥let.

Jag var tidigare ganska vÃ¤l insatt i olika fall, men har de senaste Ã¥ren
haft mycket att stÃ¥ i pÃ¥ andra hÃ¥ll sÃ¥ det kan hÃ¤nda att det finns nyare
fall jag inte kÃ¤nner till.

  /Marcus


[1] http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c4/26/85/146cffc2.pdf


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> Jag tror att det vanligaste =C3=A4r att n=C3=A5gon utvecklare av misstag,=
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>> obet=C3=A4nksamhet har beg=C3=A5tt misstag. I de flesta fall jag h=C3=B6=
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>> har det g=C3=A5tt att resonera och licensproblemen l=C3=B6sts.
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> Ibland =C3=A4r det s=C3=A5 (misstag, stress osv.), men vanligare =C3=A4r =
nog att n=C3=A4stan
> ingen programvaruutveckling idag g=C3=B6rs utan att stoppa in en del flos=
s-kod.
> S=C3=A5 om HiQ tog ett bra bibliotek ist=C3=A4llet f=C3=B6r att utveckla =
ett eget s=C3=A5 =C3=A4r
> dom alldeles normala. :-)
>
>
Jag skulle inte klandra dem f=C3=B6r att anv=C3=A4nda ett bra bibliotek. De=
t jag som
arbetar inom mjukvarubranschen kan bli ledsen f=C3=B6r =C3=A4r att folk int=
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h d=C3=A5
=C3=A4r det ju sv=C3=A5rt att licensiera om koden till ett st=C3=A4ngt bibl=
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varubranschen kan bli ledsen f=C3=B6r =C3=A4r att folk inte =C3=A4r beredda=
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ecklare som har bidragit och d=C3=A5 =C3=A4r det ju sv=C3=A5rt att licensie=
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On 30/10/14 01:15, Anders S LindbÃ¤ck wrote:
> Den 2014-10-29 23:13, Daniel Stenberg skrev:
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Daniel Melin wrote:
>> 
>>> Om utvecklaren erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ Ã¤r det ju enkelt, men det verkar 
>>> inte ske sÃ¥ ofta. Om man kan bevisa, vilket ju mÃ¥nga gÃ¥nger 
>>> verkar gÃ¥ bra att gÃ¶ra, och utvecklaren Ã¤ndÃ¥ inte erkÃ¤nner sÃ¥ 
>>> fÃ¥r man vÃ¤l gÃ¥ till domstol.
>> 
>> DÃ¤r "man" alltsÃ¥ Ã¤r copyright-Ã¤garen eller nÃ¥gon som 
>> representerar denne. Eller hur?
> 
> Enligt GPL har alla anvÃ¤ndare av appen rÃ¤tt till koden.

Om jag fÃ¥r gissa sÃ¥ gÃ¤ller det nog "bara" de som Ã¤r korrekta mottagare
av en binÃ¤r som innehÃ¥ller GPL3:ad kod. Jag tror inte att man kan
smyga in lite FLOSS pÃ¥ en blob pÃ¥ sitt jobb i ett annat program, dista
din blob med oracle och sen krÃ¤va oracle pÃ¥ sourcen, Ã¤ven om din blob
skulle jacka in hur fint som helst licensmÃ¤ssigt in i oracle-koden sÃ¥
att GPL var nÃ¶jd.

> SÃ¥ alla som kÃ¶r Bank-ID appen har rÃ¤tt att krÃ¤va ut koden.
> 

Fast bara den "drabbade" (C)-Ã¤garen kan driva fallet mot utvecklarna
om firman du fick appen av Ã¤ndÃ¥ inte vill.

Det Ã¤r ju fyra parter hÃ¤r:

A. Utvecklaren av GPL3-koden,
B. HiQ som gjorde appen med ovanstÃ¥ende kod i
C. Banken som ger dig Swish-appen
D. Du.

Det jag tror gÃ¥r (ur ett legalt perspektiv, men jag Ã¤r inte-ANAL, som
man brukade sÃ¤ga pÃ¥ usenet) Ã¤r att A gÃ¥r till rÃ¤tten mot B fÃ¶r att
"ordna upp det som hÃ¤nt", inte att D fÃ¶rsÃ¶ker stÃ¤mma C.

C har ju inte "gÃ¥tt med pÃ¥ GPL3" gentemot nÃ¥gon, sÃ¥ min gissning vore
att om man gÃ¥r pÃ¥ C legalt sÃ¥ drar de tillbaka den felaktiga appen och
sen blir rÃ¤tten nÃ¶jda med att A inte Ã¤r drabbad mera.

Fast rÃ¤ttegÃ¥ngar inom IT Ã¤r hyffsat bra entropikÃ¤llor, sÃ¥ "man fÃ¥r se
vad utfallet blir".
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Den 2014-10-30 08:05, "Marcus RejÃ¥s (FSFE)" skrev:
> Daniel Melin skrev 2014-10-30 07:50:
>> 2014-10-30 7:06 GMT+01:00 "Marcus RejÃ¥s (FSFE)" <rejas@fsfeurope.org
>>
>>      NÃ¥gon som laddat ner appen kan tyvÃ¤rr inte gÃ¥ till domstol. Inget brott
>>      har begÃ¥tts i detta led. I och med att programmet slÃ¤pptes under en
>>      annan licens Ã¤n GPL sÃ¥ begicks ett brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten alternativt
>>      avtalsbrott mellan den som skrivit koden och den som slÃ¤ppt den under en
>>      annan licens. Brott mot upphovsrÃ¤tten faller under allmÃ¤nt Ã¥tal men fÃ¶r
>>      att en Ã¥klagare skall gÃ¥ till domstol krÃ¤vs normalt att den som fÃ¥tt sin
>>      upphovsrÃ¤tt krÃ¤nkt anger detta eller sjÃ¤lv lÃ¤mnar en stÃ¤mningsansÃ¶kan.
>>
>>
>> Intressant! Ã„r du 100 % sÃ¤ker pÃ¥ att det inte finns nÃ¥gon legal
>> mÃ¶jlighet? Jag vet sjÃ¤lv inte, men det Ã¤r ju bÃ¥de ett
>> upphovsrÃ¤ttsintrÃ¥ng och ett avtalsbrott.
>
> Jag Ã¤r i alla fall 100% sÃ¤ker pÃ¥ att jag inte kÃ¤nner till nÃ¥got sÃ¥dant
> fall. Vilket inte innebÃ¤r att det Ã¤r 100% sÃ¤kert att det inte finns
> nÃ¥gon legal mÃ¶jlighet.
>
> "Googlade" lite. I en text pÃ¥ regeringens hemsida[1] stÃ¥r (angÃ¥ende
> upphovsrÃ¤ttsintrÃ¥ng):
>
> "Brottet faller under allmÃ¤nt Ã¥tal men fÃ¶r att en Ã¥klagare skall ta upp
> fallet behÃ¶vs att mÃ¥lsÃ¤ganden, dvs. vanligen upphovsmannen, har gjort en
> angivelse eller ocksÃ¥ att Ã¥tal anses behÃ¶vas frÃ¥n allmÃ¤n synpunkt, t.ex.
> fÃ¶r att avskrÃ¤cka frÃ¥n piratkopiering av upphovsrÃ¤ttsskyddat material."
>
> SÃ¥ hittar man en intresserad Ã¥klagare sÃ¥ finns en mÃ¶jlighet.

I sverige borde det rÃ¤cka att vÃ¤nda sig till konsumentverket.

Som anvÃ¤ndare har man ju rÃ¤tt att fÃ¥ del av koden och dÃ¥ borde
det hela fall under konsumentverkets tillsyn.


Att sÃ¤ga att det inte gÃ¥r Ã¤r fel. Snarare Ã¤r det kanske sÃ¥ att
det aldrig behÃ¶vs fÃ¶r ingen fÃ¶rsÃ¶kt gÃ¶ra nÃ¥got Ã¥t det.

FÃ¶r om ingen annan vill sÃ¥ kan man ju faktiskt som vanlig konsument
stÃ¤mma fÃ¶retaget bakom och dÃ¥ det drabbar alla konsumenter som anvÃ¤nder
appen i detta fallet sÃ¥ Ã¤r det en grupptalan som kan bli aktuell.

Men det gÃ¶rs typ inga grupptalan i sverige idag. praxis pÃ¥ det omrÃ¥det Ã¤r
typ intet och inget.
  
Dock borde hotet om grupptalan vara ett bra sÃ¤tt att dÃ¥ fÃ¥ fÃ¶retag
och Ã¤ndra sig.



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Janne Johansson skrev 2014-10-30 08:36:
> 
> Om jag fÃ¥r gissa sÃ¥ gÃ¤ller det nog "bara" de som Ã¤r korrekta mottagare
> av en binÃ¤r som innehÃ¥ller GPL3:ad kod. Jag tror inte att man kan
> smyga in lite FLOSS pÃ¥ en blob pÃ¥ sitt jobb i ett annat program, dista
> din blob med oracle och sen krÃ¤va oracle pÃ¥ sourcen, Ã¤ven om din blob
> skulle jacka in hur fint som helst licensmÃ¤ssigt in i oracle-koden sÃ¥
> att GPL var nÃ¶jd.
> 

Nej. Ingen kan krÃ¤va Oracle pÃ¥ koden dÃ¥ deras produkt inte Ã¤r slÃ¤ppt
under GPL. DÃ¤remot har de gjort ett brott mot GPL mellan Oracle och den
kod den anstÃ¤llda smugit in. Om den anstÃ¤llda gjorde det med uppsÃ¥t som
du skriver ovan Ã¤r det sannolikt ocksÃ¥ ett brott mellan den anstÃ¤llde
och fÃ¶retaget.

> Fast bara den "drabbade" (C)-Ã¤garen kan driva fallet mot utvecklarna
> om firman du fick appen av Ã¤ndÃ¥ inte vill.
> 
> Det Ã¤r ju fyra parter hÃ¤r:
> 
> A. Utvecklaren av GPL3-koden,
> B. HiQ som gjorde appen med ovanstÃ¥ende kod i
> C. Banken som ger dig Swish-appen
> D. Du.
> 
> Det jag tror gÃ¥r (ur ett legalt perspektiv, men jag Ã¤r inte-ANAL, som
> man brukade sÃ¤ga pÃ¥ usenet) Ã¤r att A gÃ¥r till rÃ¤tten mot B fÃ¶r att
> "ordna upp det som hÃ¤nt", inte att D fÃ¶rsÃ¶ker stÃ¤mma C.
> 
> C har ju inte "gÃ¥tt med pÃ¥ GPL3" gentemot nÃ¥gon, sÃ¥ min gissning vore
> att om man gÃ¥r pÃ¥ C legalt sÃ¥ drar de tillbaka den felaktiga appen och
> sen blir rÃ¤tten nÃ¶jda med att A inte Ã¤r drabbad mera.

Exakt, inget brott har begÃ¥tts mellan C och D och troligen inte mellan B
och C heller. Men mellan B och C kan det dock finnas ett avtal som sÃ¤ger
att B skall ha alla rÃ¤ttigheter till koden som man levererat, dÃ¥ finns
ett avtalsbrott mellan B och C ocksÃ¥. SÃ¥dana avtal Ã¤r inte ovanliga.

  /Marcus

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2014-10-30 08:39, Johan skrev:
>> Jag tror att det vanligaste Ã¤r att nÃ¥gon utvecklare av misstag, stress och
>>> obetÃ¤nksamhet har begÃ¥tt misstag. I de flesta fall jag hÃ¶rt talas
>>> har det gÃ¥tt att resonera och licensproblemen lÃ¶sts.
>>>
>>
>> Ibland Ã¤r det sÃ¥ (misstag, stress osv.), men vanligare Ã¤r nog att nÃ¤stan
>> ingen programvaruutveckling idag gÃ¶rs utan att stoppa in en del floss-kod.
>> SÃ¥ om HiQ tog ett bra bibliotek istÃ¤llet fÃ¶r att utveckla ett eget sÃ¥ Ã¤r
>> dom alldeles normala. :-)
>>
>>
> Jag skulle inte klandra dem fÃ¶r att anvÃ¤nda ett bra bibliotek. Det jag som
> arbetar inom mjukvarubranschen kan bli ledsen fÃ¶r Ã¤r att folk inte Ã¤r
> beredda att betala fÃ¶r arbetet som Ã¤r nedlagt. I detta fall sÃ¥ var det ju
> en utvecklare som erbjÃ¶d sig att licensiera biblioteket pÃ¥ andra villkor.
> DÃ¥ borde man ju kunna komma Ã¶verens. I fallet med andra open source projekt
> tex Linux kÃ¤rnan finns det ju tusentals utvecklare som har bidragit och dÃ¥
> Ã¤r det ju svÃ¥rt att licensiera om koden till ett stÃ¤ngt bibliotek.

Jag hÃ¥ller med i tankegÃ¥ngarna i denna trÃ¥d. AnvÃ¤nds OpenSource i en
"closed-source"-produkt ska man Ã¤ndÃ¥ fÃ¶lja det ursprungslicensen krÃ¤ver.


Dock skulle jag vilja sÃ¤ga att det stora tillverkarna bÃ¶rjat fÃ¶rstÃ¥
detta. I min LG-TV kan jag skrolla sidvis med copyright-texter fÃ¶r varje
bibliotek eller annan kod de anvÃ¤nt. Hur mycket kÃ¤llkod LG skulle ge mig
vet jag fÃ¶rstÃ¥ss inte men jag kan lÃ¤sa vilket datum Daniel skrev sin
copyright fÃ¶r den libcurl-version som finns i min TV.

SÃ¥ utvecklingen i mÃ¥nga branscher gÃ¥r Ã¥t rÃ¤tt hÃ¥ll, frÃ¥n att inte sÃ¤ga
flaska till att visa Copyright-blobbar. FÃ¶r den WiFi-router jag har
hemma stÃ¥r det tillverkarens supportsida att om man vill kan man
installera DD-WRT (sÃ¥ klart upphÃ¶r garantin att gÃ¤lla osv).

MVH
// Mem
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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 01:27:50PM +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
> 
> Dock skulle jag vilja sÃ¤ga att det stora tillverkarna bÃ¶rjat fÃ¶rstÃ¥
> detta. I min LG-TV kan jag skrolla sidvis med copyright-texter fÃ¶r varje
> bibliotek eller annan kod de anvÃ¤nt. Hur mycket kÃ¤llkod LG skulle ge mig
> vet jag fÃ¶rstÃ¥ss inte men jag kan lÃ¤sa vilket datum Daniel skrev sin

Ja, samma med hushÃ¥llsapparater frÃ¥n Philips, telefoner frÃ¥n Google, Jolla,
diverse switchar frÃ¥n Netgear, osv. osv. 

Jag skulle tro att om man som utvecklare pÃ¥ datanavdelningen gÃ¥r och pratar
med sin fÃ¶retagsjurist, sÃ¥ kommer juristen att lÃ¤sa licensen och sedan
svara att det inte gÃ¥r att gÃ¶ra annat Ã¤n publicera licensen och kÃ¤llkoden
utan brÃ¥k. Att HiQ och bankerna inte verkar gÃ¥tt den hÃ¤r vÃ¤gen Ã¤r ett
misstag de kan lÃ¤ra sig en del av. 

mvh, Ilja
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2014-10-29 9:37 GMT+01:00 Andreas Olsson <andreas@arrakis.se>:
> ons 2014-10-29 klockan 09:27 +0100 skrev Johan Svensson:
>> Antar att det Ã¤r ok att vara subjektiv. I sÃ¥ fall: Ljudtema! Skapa
>> (o)ljud, musik och effekter med fri och Ã¶ppen programvara.
>
> NÃ¥got Ã¥t ljud- alt. videohÃ¥llet skulle helt klart kunna vara skoj.

Jag Ã¤r ocksÃ¥ intresserad av detta! Vi i  Labb 17 har gjort en del sÃ¥nt.
BÃ¥de elektronik och med fri programvara.

Se t ex Nya Perspektivs hemsida fÃ¶r en syntverkstad med Raspberry Pi,
Arduino, och Pure Data

    http://www.nyaperspektiv.se/news/?page_id=1371
    http://www.nyaperspektiv.se/news/?page_id=1369

Har Ã¤ven en kompis som Ã¤r medgrundare till Libre Music Production.
Om intresse finns kanske vi kan betala en resa frÃ¥n GÃ¶teborg fÃ¶r ett
fÃ¶redrag och/eller workshop

    http://libremusicproduction.com/

Han driver Ã¤ven Libre Graphics Production, vÃ¤l vÃ¤rd en genomlÃ¤sning

    http://libregraphicsproduction.com/


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Per

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