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> Jag =E4r mogen att ordna till ett m=F6te fram=E5t feb/mar s=E5d=E4r.
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s ink=F6pscentral t=E4nker att offentlig sektor ska k=F6pa programvaror med=
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:

> 2) vill prata om

Jag erbjuder mig köra

  A - "HTTP2 - hur, vad, varför och när?"

  B - "Expect this to happen in your open source projects"
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Hej!

2014/1/14 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
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> Jag erbjuder mig köra
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>  A - "HTTP2 - hur, vad, varför och när?"

Det är jag intresserad av!

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B, alltså vad som kan hända med ett open source-projekt skulle jag vilja höra!

vänligen
    Bengt

> 14 jan 2014 kl. 23:34 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>> 
>> 2) vill prata om
> 
> Jag erbjuder mig köra
> 
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> 
> B - "Expect this to happen in your open source projects"
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Hej!

Jag skulle också gärna höra mycket om vad som kan hända i FOSS-projekt.

Hälsningar
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15 jan 2014 kl. 02:48 skrev Bengt Bäverman <bengt@baverman.se>:

> B, alltså vad som kan hända med ett open source-projekt skulle jag vilja höra!
> 
> vänligen
>    Bengt
> 
>> 14 jan 2014 kl. 23:34 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2) vill prata om
>> 
>> Jag erbjuder mig köra
>> 
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>> 
>> B - "Expect this to happen in your open source projects"
>>    (med en hel serie konkreta punkter om vad som kommer hända eller redan
>>    hänt i ditt nuvarande eller framtida projekt)
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
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2014-01-14 11:51, Daniel Stenberg skrev:
> Hejsan
>
> Jag är mogen att ordna till ett möte framåt feb/mar sådär.
>
>
>  2) vill prata om 

Jag kan prata om OpenERP, ett fritt affärssystem på frammarsch.

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2014/1/15 Anders Wallenquist <aw@kreawit.se>
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> Jag kan prata om OpenERP, ett fritt aff=E4rssystem p=E5 frammarsch.


Det lyssnar jag g=E4rna p=E5.

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> Jag kan prata om OpenERP, ett fritt affärssystem på frammarsch.

Det är intressant! Vi har just implementerat detta i Shuttleworth
Foundation och jag är imponerad över dess möjligheter till analytiska
upplägg av transaktioner (vad nu det heter på svenska, men
objektredovisning kanske?).

Jonas

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On 2014-01-14 11:51, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
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>  2) vill prata om

Software Defined Radio. RTL-SDR och annat.


>
> ... så kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen tänkte jag vi skulle 
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2014/1/14 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>

> Hejsan
>
> Jag =E4r mogen att ordna till ett m=F6te fram=E5t feb/mar s=E5d=E4r.
>
> Ber=E4tta vad ni
>
>  1) vill h=F6ra om
>
>  2) vill prata om
>

Med reservation f=F6r att jag inom snar framtid flyttar till england (s=E5 =
det
beror p=E5 n=E4r n=E4sta m=F6te h=E5lls):

Jag kan prata om v=E5rat distribuerade databas och dokumentationssystem (
www.labstory.se) - inte helt =F6ppen k=E4llkod men det f=F6rsta som fungera=
r p=E5
Linux (och en massa ny teknik!). Fokus skulle kunna l=E4ggas p=E5 exempevis
merge-algoritmer, hur det kan fungera p=E5 multimedia (inte bara ren text)
samt hur vi lyckats bygga en relationsdatabas uppep=E5 DVCS. Kanske =E4ven
n=E4mna lite om digital signering och hur USAs flytt till first-to-file
p=E5verkar oss

Skaml=F6st passar jag p=E5 att n=E4mna att vi =E4nnu s=F6ker programmerare!

/Johan



>
> ... s=E5 kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen t=E4nkte jag vi skulle pro=
va
> att r=F6sta p=E5 f=F6rslagen och f=F6rs=F6ka f=E5 ihop de popul=E4raste.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014/1/14 Daniel Stenberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
aniel@haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
Hejsan<br>
<br>
Jag =E4r mogen att ordna till ett m=F6te fram=E5t feb/mar s=E5d=E4r.<br>
<br>
Ber=E4tta vad ni<br>
<br>
=A01) vill h=F6ra om<br>
<br>
=A02) vill prata om<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Med reservation f=
=F6r att jag inom snar framtid flyttar till england (s=E5 det beror p=E5 n=
=E4r n=E4sta m=F6te h=E5lls):<br><br></div><div>Jag kan prata om v=E5rat di=
stribuerade databas och dokumentationssystem (<a href=3D"http://www.labstor=
y.se">www.labstory.se</a>) - inte helt =F6ppen k=E4llkod men det f=F6rsta s=
om fungerar p=E5 Linux (och en massa ny teknik!). Fokus skulle kunna l=E4gg=
as p=E5 exempevis merge-algoritmer, hur det kan fungera p=E5 multimedia (in=
te bara ren text) samt hur vi lyckats bygga en relationsdatabas uppep=E5 DV=
CS. Kanske =E4ven n=E4mna lite om digital signering och hur USAs flytt till=
 first-to-file p=E5verkar oss<br>
<br></div><div>Skaml=F6st passar jag p=E5 att n=E4mna att vi =E4nnu s=F6ker=
 programmerare!<br></div><div><br></div><div>/Johan<br></div><div><br>=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>
... s=E5 kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen t=E4nkte jag vi skulle prova=
 att r=F6sta p=E5 f=F6rslagen och f=F6rs=F6ka f=E5 ihop de popul=E4raste.<s=
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<br>
-- <br>
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Hej,

Jag skulle vilja höra om security :) vad som helst som har med Linux säkerhet att göra, testning, konfiguration, features, säkerhets moduler, säkerhets lösningar ... om det är flera som är intresserad. 

Nånting liknande som Daniel Kuehn presenterade 5:e mars 2013 om "Gentoo hardened, vad är det och vad har hänt under året?" Förresten är det möjligt att få tag på Daniels presentation? 


/Sona

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Hejsan

Jag är mogen att ordna till ett möte framåt feb/mar sådär.

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2014-01-16 14:21, Sona Sarmadi skrev:
> Hej,
>
> Jag skulle vilja höra om security :) vad som helst som har med Linux säkerhet att göra, testning, konfiguration, features, säkerhets moduler, säkerhets lösningar ... om det är flera som är intresserad.
Jag kan tala om Puppet (configuration management) och säkra tekniker för 
att leverera interaktiv fjärrsupport (ungefär som via teamviewer men via 
en säker ssh-tunnel).

Mvh
Anders Wallenquist

> Nånting liknande som Daniel Kuehn presenterade 5:e mars 2013 om "Gentoo hardened, vad är det och vad har hänt under året?" Förresten är det möjligt att få tag på Daniels presentation?
>
>
> /Sona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: foss-sthlm [mailto:foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se] On Behalf Of Daniel Stenberg
> Sent: den 14 januari 2014 11:51
> To: foss-sthlm
> Subject: Vad vi du höra om i vår?
>
> Hejsan
>
> Jag är mogen att ordna till ett möte framåt feb/mar sådär.
>
> Berätta vad ni
>
>    1) vill höra om
>
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>
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>

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Jag skulle g=E4rna lyssna p=E5 en dragning om puppet. Sj=E4lv skulle jag ku=
nna
bidra med en dragning om malware-analys, om det skulle vara av intresse
(b=E5de "retail" and "wholesale").

/Michael


2014/1/16 Anders Wallenquist <aw@kreawit.se>

> 2014-01-16 14:21, Sona Sarmadi skrev:
>
>  Hej,
>>
>> Jag skulle vilja h=F6ra om security :) vad som helst som har med Linux
>> s=E4kerhet att g=F6ra, testning, konfiguration, features, s=E4kerhets mo=
duler,
>> s=E4kerhets l=F6sningar ... om det =E4r flera som =E4r intresserad.
>>
> Jag kan tala om Puppet (configuration management) och s=E4kra tekniker f=
=F6r
> att leverera interaktiv fj=E4rrsupport (ungef=E4r som via teamviewer men =
via en
> s=E4ker ssh-tunnel).
>
> Mvh
> Anders Wallenquist
>
>
>  N=E5nting liknande som Daniel Kuehn presenterade 5:e mars 2013 om "Gento=
o
>> hardened, vad =E4r det och vad har h=E4nt under =E5ret?" F=F6rresten =E4=
r det m=F6jligt
>> att f=E5 tag p=E5 Daniels presentation?
>>
>>
>> /Sona
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: foss-sthlm [mailto:foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se] On Behalf Of
>> Daniel Stenberg
>> Sent: den 14 januari 2014 11:51
>> To: foss-sthlm
>> Subject: Vad vi du h=F6ra om i v=E5r?
>>
>> Hejsan
>>
>> Jag =E4r mogen att ordna till ett m=F6te fram=E5t feb/mar s=E5d=E4r.
>>
>> Ber=E4tta vad ni
>>
>>    1) vill h=F6ra om
>>
>>    2) vill prata om
>>
>> ... s=E5 kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen t=E4nkte jag vi skulle pr=
ova
>> att r=F6sta p=E5 f=F6rslagen och f=F6rs=F6ka f=E5 ihop de popul=E4raste.
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jag skulle g=E4rna lyssna p=E5 en dragning om puppet. Sj=
=E4lv skulle jag kunna bidra med en dragning om malware-analys, om det skul=
le vara av intresse (b=E5de &quot;retail&quot; and &quot;wholesale&quot;).<=
div><br></div>
<div>/Michael</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">2014/1/16 Anders Wallenquist <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:aw@kreawit.se" target=3D"_blank">aw@kreawit.se</a>&gt;</span><br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2014-01-16 14:21, Sona Sarmadi skrev:<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hej,<br>
<br>
Jag skulle vilja h=F6ra om security :) vad som helst som har med Linux s=E4=
kerhet att g=F6ra, testning, konfiguration, features, s=E4kerhets moduler, =
s=E4kerhets l=F6sningar ... om det =E4r flera som =E4r intresserad.<br>
</blockquote></div>
Jag kan tala om Puppet (configuration management) och s=E4kra tekniker f=F6=
r att leverera interaktiv fj=E4rrsupport (ungef=E4r som via teamviewer men =
via en s=E4ker ssh-tunnel).<br>
<br>
Mvh<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Anders Wallenquist</font></span><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
N=E5nting liknande som Daniel Kuehn presenterade 5:e mars 2013 om &quot;Gen=
too hardened, vad =E4r det och vad har h=E4nt under =E5ret?&quot; F=F6rrest=
en =E4r det m=F6jligt att f=E5 tag p=E5 Daniels presentation?<br>
<br>
<br>
/Sona<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: foss-sthlm [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se"=
 target=3D"_blank">foss-sthlm-bounces@<u></u>cool.haxx.se</a>] On Behalf Of=
 Daniel Stenberg<br>
Sent: den 14 januari 2014 11:51<br>
To: foss-sthlm<br>
Subject: Vad vi du h=F6ra om i v=E5r?<br>
<br>
Hejsan<br>
<br>
Jag =E4r mogen att ordna till ett m=F6te fram=E5t feb/mar s=E5d=E4r.<br>
<br>
Ber=E4tta vad ni<br>
<br>
=A0 =A01) vill h=F6ra om<br>
<br>
=A0 =A02) vill prata om<br>
<br>
... s=E5 kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen t=E4nkte jag vi skulle prova=
 att r=F6sta p=E5 f=F6rslagen och f=F6rs=F6ka f=E5 ihop de popul=E4raste.<b=
r>
<br>
</blockquote>
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:21:50 +0000
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> Hej,
>=20
> Jag skulle vilja h=C3=B6ra om security :) vad som helst som har med Linux=
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> att g=C3=B6ra, testning, konfiguration, features, s=C3=A4kerhets moduler,=
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> l=C3=B6sningar ... om det =C3=A4r flera som =C3=A4r intresserad.=20
>=20
> N=C3=A5nting liknande som Daniel Kuehn presenterade 5:e mars 2013 om "Gen=
too
> hardened, vad =C3=A4r det och vad har h=C3=A4nt under =C3=A5ret?" F=C3=B6=
rresten =C3=A4r det m=C3=B6jligt
> att f=C3=A5 tag p=C3=A5 Daniels presentation?=20

Min presentation kan hittas h=C3=A4r
http://klondike.es/charlas/Hardened/speakHardened2.odp. Det =C3=A4r en anna=
n Gentoo
Hardened m=C3=A4nniska, klondike, som =C3=A4r den som skrivit presentatione=
n men jag
hade hans till=C3=A5telse att anv=C3=A4nda materialet och att sprida det. :)

>=20
>=20
> /Sona
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> Stenberg Sent: den 14 januari 2014 11:51
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> Hejsan
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> Jag =C3=A4r mogen att ordna till ett m=C3=B6te fram=C3=A5t feb/mar s=C3=
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>=20
>   2) vill prata om
>=20
> ... s=C3=A5 kollar vi vad vi kan skrapa ihop, sen t=C3=A4nkte jag vi skul=
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>

Jag h=C3=B6r g=C3=A4rna om klustring t.ex. programmering med OpenMP eller l=
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--=20
Mvh
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MAG är en arbetsgrupp som ska bereda inför Internet Governance Forum
2014. Det är en arbetsgrupp bestående av 55 personer som ska
representera myndigheter, företag, civilsamhället och tekniker i
förberedelserna inför den årliga konferensen.

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/piratpartiet/pressreleases/piratpartist-utsedd-till-internetraadgivare-aat-fn-950869

Har FOSS-sthlm någon input till henne kanske i den kontexten? Kanske
bjuda in henne som talare om hennes syn på FOSS i en internationell
kontext aka FN?

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Hej,

En kompis (inte Daniel Kuehn) tipsade mig om det h=E4r tr=E4d. S=E5 h=E4r=
 =E4r jag.

Daniel har get flera uttal om Gentoo Hardened med mig s=E5 han har mer =E4=
n
hela till=E5telse f=F6r att anv=E4nda min material som Gentoo Developer i=

Hardened team han =E4r och han =E4r mer =E4n kunnig i =E4mne.

Med det sagt, jag b=F6r i G=F6teborg s=E5 om vi kan fixa ett billigt bilj=
ett
och n=E5gon plats f=F6r att sova s=E5 kan jag ta t=E5get och prata om hur=

Hardening fungerar LLVM eller n=E5got annat som kan intressera ni och jag=

=E4r kunnig med.

MVH
klondike

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finns det ett datum =E4n ?


2014/1/21 klondike <klondike@xiscosoft.sinip.es>

> Hej,
>
> En kompis (inte Daniel Kuehn) tipsade mig om det h=E4r tr=E4d. S=E5 h=E4r=
 =E4r jag.
>
> Daniel har get flera uttal om Gentoo Hardened med mig s=E5 han har mer =
=E4n
> hela till=E5telse f=F6r att anv=E4nda min material som Gentoo Developer i
> Hardened team han =E4r och han =E4r mer =E4n kunnig i =E4mne.
>
> Med det sagt, jag b=F6r i G=F6teborg s=E5 om vi kan fixa ett billigt bilj=
ett
> och n=E5gon plats f=F6r att sova s=E5 kan jag ta t=E5get och prata om hur
> Hardening fungerar LLVM eller n=E5got annat som kan intressera ni och jag
> =E4r kunnig med.
>
> MVH
> klondike
>
> PS: Om du vill s=E4ga n=E5got om varf=F6r det har mejl kommer inte med
> reply-to headers. Fr=E5ga ni varf=F6r kan jag inte ladda ner original mej=
l
> fr=E5n archives :(
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">finns det ett datum =E4n ?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014/1/21 klondike <span dir=3D"ltr=
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dike@xiscosoft.sinip.es</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hej,<br>
<br>
En kompis (inte Daniel Kuehn) tipsade mig om det h=E4r tr=E4d. S=E5 h=E4r =
=E4r jag.<br>
<br>
Daniel har get flera uttal om Gentoo Hardened med mig s=E5 han har mer =E4n=
<br>
hela till=E5telse f=F6r att anv=E4nda min material som Gentoo Developer i<b=
r>
Hardened team han =E4r och han =E4r mer =E4n kunnig i =E4mne.<br>
<br>
Med det sagt, jag b=F6r i G=F6teborg s=E5 om vi kan fixa ett billigt biljet=
t<br>
och n=E5gon plats f=F6r att sova s=E5 kan jag ta t=E5get och prata om hur<b=
r>
Hardening fungerar LLVM eller n=E5got annat som kan intressera ni och jag<b=
r>
=E4r kunnig med.<br>
<br>
MVH<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">klondike<br>
</font></span><br>
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Martin lindkvist wrote:

> finns det ett datum än ?

Nä - vi jobbar på att skaka fram ett. Jag kör snart igång en fråge-sida där 
man kan få berätta vilka föredrag av de som kommit fram som man är intresserad 
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Tack Daniel & Klondike för presentationen. När Daniel pratade om "Gentoo hardened, vad är det och vad har hänt under året?" jag fattade inte så mycket :) men sista tiden har jag läst mycket om Linux säkerhet & hardening osv, nu börjar jag förstå bättre :)

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From: foss-sthlm [mailto:foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se] On Behalf Of klondike
Sent: den 21 januari 2014 18:32
To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
Subject: Re: Vad vi du höra om i vår?

Hej,

En kompis (inte Daniel Kuehn) tipsade mig om det här träd. Så här är jag.

Daniel har get flera uttal om Gentoo Hardened med mig så han har mer än hela tillåtelse för att använda min material som Gentoo Developer i Hardened team han är och han är mer än kunnig i ämne.

Med det sagt, jag bör i Göteborg så om vi kan fixa ett billigt biljett och någon plats för att sova så kan jag ta tåget och prata om hur Hardening fungerar LLVM eller något annat som kan intressera ni och jag är kunnig med.

MVH
klondike

PS: Om du vill säga något om varför det har mejl kommer inte med reply-to headers. Fråga ni varför kan jag inte ladda ner original mejl från archives :(


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Hej,

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    http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html

Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!

Tack!

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föredrag, det är endast en poll om hur intresset ser hur för de olika 
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On 15/01/14 08:17, Anders Wallenquist wrote:
> 2014-01-14 11:51, Daniel Stenberg skrev:
>> Hejsan
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>> Jag är mogen att ordna till ett möte framåt feb/mar sådär.
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>> 
>> 2) vill prata om
> 
> Jag kan prata om OpenERP, ett fritt affärssystem på frammarsch.
> 

LÃ¥ter intressant!

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On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:

> Fyra frågor till alla foss-sthlmare om nästa träff (eller kanske träffAR):
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>
> Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!

Hepp!

Precis nu har vi tagit emot 78 svar, klart bra respons. Tack alla ni som redan 
svarat och ni som ännu inte gjort det har chansen ett tag till...

Jag kommer presentera resultatet i detalj efter att svarsperioden är slut. 
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Lyssna och lyssna (förslagen jag sett nämnas intresserar mig allihopa)

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Jag och flera med mig i foss-sthlm kan "assurera" om det skulle finnas
intresse.

Mvh
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Hejsan!

Hoppas man får störa med en liten fråga.

Jag har ett problem som jag behöver lösa snabbt och mina sökningar på
nätet ger inte så mycket.

Problemet: vi har massor av burkar ute och behöver nu veta hur mycket
data de skyfflar. Det är olika interface på olika burkar. Vissa har
ethernet (ethX) andra 3g via modem (pppX) och några wlan (wlX).

På samtliga finns trafikräknare som man kan se i /proc/net/dev eller med
ifconfig.

Nu till problemet. Kan man på något sätt hitta från vilken tid dessa
räknare är? De startas ju om ifall interfacet går ner vilket händer då
och då framför allt på de med 3g. Visste jag under hur lång tid dessa
räknare räknat skulle mitt problem vara lättlöst.

Jag kan komma på massor av smidiga sätt att mäta trafiken från och med
nu och framåt, men det är inte det som är problemet. Jag behöver se idag
och bilda mig en exakt uppfattning om hur det varit.

Min våta dröm är att till exempel kunna ta en tidsstämpel på en fil i
proc eller sys eller så men alla tips välkomnas.

Tacksam för input från er kloka människor :-)

  /Marcus

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Hej

Jag är också assurer och har funderat på att hålla ett litet prat om det.
Men har tyvärr inte haft tid över att göra en presentation.

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24 jan 2014 kl. 08:58 skrev delhage@gmail.com:

> Jag och flera med mig i foss-sthlm kan "assurera" om det skulle finnas
> intresse.
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> Mvh
> Lasse
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> 2014/1/24 Johan P1ersson <p1ersson@kth.se>
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Om jag tolkar ditt behov rätt så tippar jag på att de flesta skulle nog
sätta upp någon sorts centraliserad övervakning istället, t.ex. med
hjälp av munin.
http://munin-monitoring.org/

Mvh
Jimmie

2014-01-24 09:55, Marcus Rejås skrev:
> Hejsan!
> 
> Hoppas man får störa med en liten fråga.
> 
> Jag har ett problem som jag behöver lösa snabbt och mina sökningar på
> nätet ger inte så mycket.
> 
> Problemet: vi har massor av burkar ute och behöver nu veta hur mycket
> data de skyfflar. Det är olika interface på olika burkar. Vissa har
> ethernet (ethX) andra 3g via modem (pppX) och några wlan (wlX).
> 
> På samtliga finns trafikräknare som man kan se i /proc/net/dev eller med
> ifconfig.
> 
> Nu till problemet. Kan man på något sätt hitta från vilken tid dessa
> räknare är? De startas ju om ifall interfacet går ner vilket händer då
> och då framför allt på de med 3g. Visste jag under hur lång tid dessa
> räknare räknat skulle mitt problem vara lättlöst.
> 
> Jag kan komma på massor av smidiga sätt att mäta trafiken från och med
> nu och framåt, men det är inte det som är problemet. Jag behöver se idag
> och bilda mig en exakt uppfattning om hur det varit.
> 
> Min våta dröm är att till exempel kunna ta en tidsstämpel på en fil i
> proc eller sys eller så men alla tips välkomnas.
> 
> Tacksam för input från er kloka människor :-)
> 
>   /Marcus
> 

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Hej!

Tack för svar. Vi monitorerar redan med Nagios, men inte hur mycket
bandbredd som nyttjas på ett bra sätt. Som sagt har jag många lösningar
på hur jag om en månad vet hur mycket det dragits under den månaden.
Problemet är att jag nu vill kunna bilda mig en uppfattning om hur det
såg ut förra månaden.

Jag letar vidare, men stort tack för hjälpen. :-)

  /Marcus

Jimmie Tauriainen skrev 2014-01-24 11:31:
> Om jag tolkar ditt behov rätt så tippar jag på att de flesta skulle nog
> sätta upp någon sorts centraliserad övervakning istället, t.ex. med
> hjälp av munin.
> http://munin-monitoring.org/
>
> Mvh
> Jimmie
>
> 2014-01-24 09:55, Marcus Rejås skrev:
>> Hejsan!
>>
>> Hoppas man får störa med en liten fråga.
>>
>> Jag har ett problem som jag behöver lösa snabbt och mina sökningar på
>> nätet ger inte så mycket.
>>
>> Problemet: vi har massor av burkar ute och behöver nu veta hur mycket
>> data de skyfflar. Det är olika interface på olika burkar. Vissa har
>> ethernet (ethX) andra 3g via modem (pppX) och några wlan (wlX).
>>
>> På samtliga finns trafikräknare som man kan se i /proc/net/dev eller med
>> ifconfig.
>>
>> Nu till problemet. Kan man på något sätt hitta från vilken tid dessa
>> räknare är? De startas ju om ifall interfacet går ner vilket händer då
>> och då framför allt på de med 3g. Visste jag under hur lång tid dessa
>> räknare räknat skulle mitt problem vara lättlöst.
>>
>> Jag kan komma på massor av smidiga sätt att mäta trafiken från och med
>> nu och framåt, men det är inte det som är problemet. Jag behöver se idag
>> och bilda mig en exakt uppfattning om hur det varit.
>>
>> Min våta dröm är att till exempel kunna ta en tidsstämpel på en fil i
>> proc eller sys eller så men alla tips välkomnas.
>>
>> Tacksam för input från er kloka människor :-)
>>
>>   /Marcus
>>
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Det är ju exakt det som munin tillför ;) Grafer som ger en överblick på
vad som händer.

Mvh
Jimmie

2014-01-24 11:35, Marcus Rejås skrev:
> Hej!
> 
> Tack för svar. Vi monitorerar redan med Nagios, men inte hur mycket
> bandbredd som nyttjas på ett bra sätt. Som sagt har jag många lösningar
> på hur jag om en månad vet hur mycket det dragits under den månaden.
> Problemet är att jag nu vill kunna bilda mig en uppfattning om hur det
> såg ut förra månaden.
> 
> Jag letar vidare, men stort tack för hjälpen. :-)
> 
>   /Marcus
> 
> Jimmie Tauriainen skrev 2014-01-24 11:31:
>> Om jag tolkar ditt behov rätt så tippar jag på att de flesta skulle nog
>> sätta upp någon sorts centraliserad övervakning istället, t.ex. med
>> hjälp av munin.
>> http://munin-monitoring.org/
>>
>> Mvh
>> Jimmie
>>
>> 2014-01-24 09:55, Marcus Rejås skrev:
>>> Hejsan!
>>>
>>> Hoppas man får störa med en liten fråga.
>>>
>>> Jag har ett problem som jag behöver lösa snabbt och mina sökningar på
>>> nätet ger inte så mycket.
>>>
>>> Problemet: vi har massor av burkar ute och behöver nu veta hur mycket
>>> data de skyfflar. Det är olika interface på olika burkar. Vissa har
>>> ethernet (ethX) andra 3g via modem (pppX) och några wlan (wlX).
>>>
>>> På samtliga finns trafikräknare som man kan se i /proc/net/dev eller med
>>> ifconfig.
>>>
>>> Nu till problemet. Kan man på något sätt hitta från vilken tid dessa
>>> räknare är? De startas ju om ifall interfacet går ner vilket händer då
>>> och då framför allt på de med 3g. Visste jag under hur lång tid dessa
>>> räknare räknat skulle mitt problem vara lättlöst.
>>>
>>> Jag kan komma på massor av smidiga sätt att mäta trafiken från och med
>>> nu och framåt, men det är inte det som är problemet. Jag behöver se idag
>>> och bilda mig en exakt uppfattning om hur det varit.
>>>
>>> Min våta dröm är att till exempel kunna ta en tidsstämpel på en fil i
>>> proc eller sys eller så men alla tips välkomnas.
>>>
>>> Tacksam för input från er kloka människor :-)
>>>
>>>   /Marcus
>>>
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Jo, jag förstår det. Det gör även vår nuvarande monitorering. Problemet
är att den gör det från idag.

Men om jag sätter upp mumin idag kan jag då se en graf från säg 1:a
januari till nu?

Som jag skrev har jag flera förslag på lösningar som fungerar från idag
och framåt. Men jag söker en som fungerar bakåt. Kanske var jag otydlig.

  /Marcus

Jimmie Tauriainen skrev 2014-01-24 11:47:
> Det är ju exakt det som munin tillför ;) Grafer som ger en överblick på
> vad som händer.
>
> Mvh
> Jimmie
>
> 2014-01-24 11:35, Marcus Rejås skrev:
>> Hej!
>>
>> Tack för svar. Vi monitorerar redan med Nagios, men inte hur mycket
>> bandbredd som nyttjas på ett bra sätt. Som sagt har jag många lösningar
>> på hur jag om en månad vet hur mycket det dragits under den månaden.
>> Problemet är att jag nu vill kunna bilda mig en uppfattning om hur det
>> såg ut förra månaden.
>>
>> Jag letar vidare, men stort tack för hjälpen. :-)
>>
>>   /Marcus
>>
>> Jimmie Tauriainen skrev 2014-01-24 11:31:
>>> Om jag tolkar ditt behov rätt så tippar jag på att de flesta skulle nog
>>> sätta upp någon sorts centraliserad övervakning istället, t.ex. med
>>> hjälp av munin.
>>> http://munin-monitoring.org/
>>>
>>> Mvh
>>> Jimmie
>>>
>>> 2014-01-24 09:55, Marcus Rejås skrev:
>>>> Hejsan!
>>>>
>>>> Hoppas man får störa med en liten fråga.
>>>>
>>>> Jag har ett problem som jag behöver lösa snabbt och mina sökningar på
>>>> nätet ger inte så mycket.
>>>>
>>>> Problemet: vi har massor av burkar ute och behöver nu veta hur mycket
>>>> data de skyfflar. Det är olika interface på olika burkar. Vissa har
>>>> ethernet (ethX) andra 3g via modem (pppX) och några wlan (wlX).
>>>>
>>>> På samtliga finns trafikräknare som man kan se i /proc/net/dev eller med
>>>> ifconfig.
>>>>
>>>> Nu till problemet. Kan man på något sätt hitta från vilken tid dessa
>>>> räknare är? De startas ju om ifall interfacet går ner vilket händer då
>>>> och då framför allt på de med 3g. Visste jag under hur lång tid dessa
>>>> räknare räknat skulle mitt problem vara lättlöst.
>>>>
>>>> Jag kan komma på massor av smidiga sätt att mäta trafiken från och med
>>>> nu och framåt, men det är inte det som är problemet. Jag behöver se idag
>>>> och bilda mig en exakt uppfattning om hur det varit.
>>>>
>>>> Min våta dröm är att till exempel kunna ta en tidsstämpel på en fil i
>>>> proc eller sys eller så men alla tips välkomnas.
>>>>
>>>> Tacksam för input från er kloka människor :-)
>>>>
>>>>   /Marcus
>>>>
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Jo, jag har varit inne på det. Detta är små burkar med inte mycket till
loggar. Dels är de väldigt korta i tid och det ser lite olika ut i
loggarana beroende på inteface. Men det lutar åt att det blir en sådan
lösning. Känns lite surt dock. Borde finnas ett exaktare sätt att se
från vilken tidpunkt räknaren räknar ....

Tack för input :-)

  /Marcus

Mikael Fridh skrev 2014-01-24 11:46:
> sudo grep -Pi "link.is.up" /var/log/messages*
> ... loggarna kan ju dock roterat för långt redan.
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jo, jag har varit inne p&aring; det. Detta &auml;r
      sm&aring; burkar med inte mycket till loggar. Dels &auml;r de v&auml;ldigt korta i
      tid och det ser lite olika ut i loggarana beroende p&aring; inteface.
      Men det lutar &aring;t att det blir en s&aring;dan l&ouml;sning. K&auml;nns lite surt
      dock. Borde finnas ett exaktare s&auml;tt att se fr&aring;n vilken tidpunkt
      r&auml;knaren r&auml;knar ....<br>
      <br>
      Tack f&ouml;r input :-)<br>
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Hej Daniel,

Gl=C3=B6mde fylla i formul=C3=A4ret att .SE troligen kan st=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r =
lokal om det =C3=A4r
tillr=C3=A4ckligt litet f=C3=B6r v=C3=A5r h=C3=B6rsal (upp till runt 50 per=
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klarar efter en ombyggnad) och den inte =C3=A4r bokad till annat just den d=
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Fika och/eller mat brukar vara knepigare, men jag kan alltid f=C3=B6rs=C3=
=B6ka f=C3=A5
till spons p=C3=A5 det ocks=C3=A5 det om intresse finns.

Vi har projektor, bord, stolar el och wifi iaf. Och kaffe-automat.

/Micke


2014/1/24 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>

> On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>
>  Fyra fr=C3=A5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=C3=A4sta tr=C3=A4ff (eller=
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>>
>>   http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html
>>
>> Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hej Daniel,<div><br></div><div>Gl=C3=B6mde fylla i formul=
=C3=A4ret att .SE troligen kan st=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r lokal om det =C3=A4r tillr=
=C3=A4ckligt litet f=C3=B6r v=C3=A5r h=C3=B6rsal (upp till runt 50 personer=
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at just den dagen. Fika och/eller mat brukar vara knepigare, men jag kan al=
ltid f=C3=B6rs=C3=B6ka f=C3=A5 till spons p=C3=A5 det ocks=C3=A5 det om int=
resse finns.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Vi har projektor, bord, stolar el och wifi iaf. Och kaf=
fe-automat.</div><div><br></div><div>/Micke</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014/1/24 Daniel Stenberg <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel@h=
axx.se</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Danie=
l Stenberg wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Fyra fr=C3=A5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=C3=A4sta tr=C3=A4ff (eller ka=
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=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html" target=3D"_blank">http://fos=
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<br>
Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!<br>
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Jag kommer presentera resultatet i detalj efter att svarsperioden =C3=A4r s=
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Hej Daniel.

"How many talks are suitable ..." beror ju lite p=E5 formatet.
Om det =E4r orienterade presentationer kanske 15 min + 15 min
diskussion/fr=E5gor =E4r rimligt.
Annars kanske man vill ha 45+15 eller 30+30 beroende p=E5 uppl=E4gget.

Jag svarade iaf 4 d=E5 det =E4r 4h och kanske vill man kunna h=E5lla 4 st
mini-f=F6rel=E4sningar.
Om inte f=E5r du dubblera svaret. Antalet =E4r, iaf f=F6r mig, helt ointres=
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Det =E4r inneh=E5llet som r=E4knas, och hur det presenteras. Jag tycker det=
 har
varit en bra mix av korta och lite l=E4ngre presentationer hitintills.

Vi ses, lycka till p=E5 Mozilla!

// A


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> Hej,
>
> Fyra fr=E5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=E4sta tr=E4ff (eller kanske tr=
=E4ffAR):
>
>    http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html
>
> Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!
>
> Tack!
>
> PS, det finns f=F6rst=E5s inga garantier att vi/n=E5gon verkligen kan lev=
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> dessa f=F6redrag, det =E4r endast en poll om hur intresset ser hur f=F6r =
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> alternativen.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hej Daniel.<div><br></div><div>&quot;How many talks are su=
itable ...&quot; beror ju lite p=E5 formatet.</div><div>Om det =E4r oriente=
rade presentationer kanske 15 min + 15 min diskussion/fr=E5gor =E4r rimligt=
.</div>
<div>Annars kanske man vill ha 45+15 eller 30+30 beroende p=E5 uppl=E4gget.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Jag svarade iaf 4 d=E5 det =E4r 4h och kanske vil=
l man kunna h=E5lla 4 st mini-f=F6rel=E4sningar.</div><div>Om inte f=E5r du=
 dubblera svaret. Antalet =E4r, iaf f=F6r mig, helt ointressant. Det =E4r i=
nneh=E5llet som r=E4knas, och hur det presenteras. Jag tycker det har varit=
 en bra mix av korta och lite l=E4ngre presentationer hitintills.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Vi ses, lycka till p=E5 Mozilla!</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>// A</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">2014/1/22 Daniel Stenberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hej,<br>
<br>
Fyra fr=E5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=E4sta tr=E4ff (eller kanske tr=
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=A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html" target=3D"_blank">http://fos=
s-sthlm.se/q.html</a><br>
<br>
Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!<br>
<br>
Tack!<br>
<br>
PS, det finns f=F6rst=E5s inga garantier att vi/n=E5gon verkligen kan lever=
era dessa f=F6redrag, det =E4r endast en poll om hur intresset ser hur f=F6=
r de olika alternativen.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
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Men crap! Ut=F6kar mitt spammande med ytterligare ett mail d=E5 det f=F6rra=
 som
ni f=F6rst=E5r var mer riktat till Daniel - men inget hemligt och gagnar s=
=E4kert
n=E5gon annan (hoppas hoppas hoppas).

// A


2014/1/27 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com>

> Hej Daniel.
>
> "How many talks are suitable ..." beror ju lite p=E5 formatet.
> Om det =E4r orienterade presentationer kanske 15 min + 15 min
> diskussion/fr=E5gor =E4r rimligt.
> Annars kanske man vill ha 45+15 eller 30+30 beroende p=E5 uppl=E4gget.
>
> Jag svarade iaf 4 d=E5 det =E4r 4h och kanske vill man kunna h=E5lla 4 st
> mini-f=F6rel=E4sningar.
> Om inte f=E5r du dubblera svaret. Antalet =E4r, iaf f=F6r mig, helt ointr=
essant.
> Det =E4r inneh=E5llet som r=E4knas, och hur det presenteras. Jag tycker d=
et har
> varit en bra mix av korta och lite l=E4ngre presentationer hitintills.
>
> Vi ses, lycka till p=E5 Mozilla!
>
> // A
>
>
> 2014/1/22 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>
>
>> Hej,
>>
>> Fyra fr=E5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=E4sta tr=E4ff (eller kanske t=
r=E4ffAR):
>>
>>    http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html
>>
>> Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!
>>
>> Tack!
>>
>> PS, det finns f=F6rst=E5s inga garantier att vi/n=E5gon verkligen kan le=
verera
>> dessa f=F6redrag, det =E4r endast en poll om hur intresset ser hur f=F6r=
 de olika
>> alternativen.
>>
>> --
>>
>>  / daniel.haxx.se
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Men crap! Ut=F6kar mitt spammande med ytterligare ett mail=
 d=E5 det f=F6rra som ni f=F6rst=E5r var mer riktat till Daniel - men inget=
 hemligt och gagnar s=E4kert n=E5gon annan (hoppas hoppas hoppas).<div><br>=
</div><div>// A</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014/1/=
27 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ahedstrom@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">ahedstrom@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hej Daniel.<div><br></div><div>&quot;How many talks are su=
itable ...&quot; beror ju lite p=E5 formatet.</div><div>Om det =E4r oriente=
rade presentationer kanske 15 min + 15 min diskussion/fr=E5gor =E4r rimligt=
.</div>

<div>Annars kanske man vill ha 45+15 eller 30+30 beroende p=E5 uppl=E4gget.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Jag svarade iaf 4 d=E5 det =E4r 4h och kanske vil=
l man kunna h=E5lla 4 st mini-f=F6rel=E4sningar.</div><div>Om inte f=E5r du=
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nneh=E5llet som r=E4knas, och hur det presenteras. Jag tycker det har varit=
 en bra mix av korta och lite l=E4ngre presentationer hitintills.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Vi ses, lycka till p=E5 Mozilla!</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>// A</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">2014/1/22 Daniel Stenberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan=
iel@haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">Hej,<br>
<br>
Fyra fr=E5gor till alla foss-sthlmare om n=E4sta tr=E4ff (eller kanske tr=
=E4ffAR):<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.se/q.html" target=3D"_blank">http://fos=
s-sthlm.se/q.html</a><br>
<br>
Besvara senast midnatt sista januari!<br>
<br>
Tack!<br>
<br>
PS, det finns f=F6rst=E5s inga garantier att vi/n=E5gon verkligen kan lever=
era dessa f=F6redrag, det =E4r endast en poll om hur intresset ser hur f=F6=
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<br>
-- <br>
<br>
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Är det någon som känner till något lagerhanterings-system som är open source?

På Scania har vi ett litet lager med typ 10.000 artiklar som idag kör
på ett lastgammalt system som kanske skulle kunna bytas ut.

Någon som vet eller kan peka i någon riktning?

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OpenERP var det n=E5gon som sa n=E5got om tidigare, och n=E4r jag surfade p=
=E5 vad
detta var vill jag minnas att det =E4ven klarade av lagerhantering.

Dock ingen egen erfarenhet, men du f=E5r bergis massor med mer respons stra=
x
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// A


2014-01-28 Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>

> =C4r det n=E5gon som k=E4nner till n=E5got lagerhanterings-system som =E4=
r open
> source?
>
> P=E5 Scania har vi ett litet lager med typ 10.000 artiklar som idag k=F6r
> p=E5 ett lastgammalt system som kanske skulle kunna bytas ut.
>
> N=E5gon som vet eller kan peka i n=E5gon riktning?
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> /Erik L=F6nroth
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Fråga mig inte hur, för jag har fortfarande ingen aning om hur, men i en 
sökning efter en app (har för mig att jag ville ha en dvd-collection 
hanterare) till min telefon så snubblade jag över myWMS, 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mywmslos/, vilket inte är någon app, men 
det kanske är något för dig?

//Erik


On 2014-01-28 11:20, Andreas Hedström wrote:
> OpenERP var det någon som sa något om tidigare, och när jag surfade på 
> vad detta var vill jag minnas att det även klarade av lagerhantering.
>
> Dock ingen egen erfarenhet, men du får bergis massor med mer respons 
> strax (jag ville bara vara först en gång :)
>
> // A
>
>
> 2014-01-28 Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com 
> <mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com>>
>
>     Är det någon som känner till något lagerhanterings-system som är
>     open source?
>
>     På Scania har vi ett litet lager med typ 10.000 artiklar som idag kör
>     på ett lastgammalt system som kanske skulle kunna bytas ut.
>
>     Någon som vet eller kan peka i någon riktning?
>
>     /Erik Lönroth
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            <br>
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Hej,

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:17:13AM +0100, Erik Lönroth wrote:
> Är det någon som känner till något lagerhanterings-system som är open source?
> 
> På Scania har vi ett litet lager med typ 10.000 artiklar som idag kör
> på ett lastgammalt system som kanske skulle kunna bytas ut.
> 
> Någon som vet eller kan peka i någon riktning?

Vet inte om det är helt rätt för Er, men svarar ändå då det kan vara
en bra möjlighet. Vi har sedan South Pole startade byggt ett system
vilket idag snarast kan liknas vid ett affärssystem (där lager
naturligtvis ingår). Det har varit specialskrivet för våra behov att
sälja datorer och produkter och vi har under åren skrivet om det från
början i några omgångar allt eftersom det utvecklats.

Den senaste versionen är nyskriven i RubyOnRails och där fanns också
ett "sekundärt mål" att göra systemet generellare så att det lika
gärna skulle kunna användas av någon som byggde/sålde gittarer (eller
lastbilar!) som datorer. 

Tanken var väl att släppa allt som opensource om intresse fanns. Idag
finns det fortfarande en del företagsspecifika delar kvar så det har
inte blivit av, men jag skall i veckan träffa ett annat företag som
ev. hade intresse att använda och vidareutveckla detta och isf ökar
möjligheten att det skulle kunna bli en "riktigt" opensource lösning
som verkligen är generell för att kunna hantera olika företag och dess
verksamheter.  

Jag kan se till att du/ni får en demo ifall Ni vill och jag kan också
passa på att fråga på foss-listan ifall det finns några andra som har
liknande behov och skulle vara intresserade? 


Jag kan vara tydlig med att vårt intresse INTE är att sälja kod eller
utveckling i detta då det vårt affärssystem är något vi egentligen
vill lägga så lite tid på som möjligt och helst ser att någon annan
utvecklar... ;-) Med andra ord perfekt för oss att släppa som
opensource. 

En del kanske undrar varför vi inte valde att köra på OpenERP
istället och inför den senaste omskrivningen var min personliga
uppfattning att detta var det "givna" valet, men när jag försökte
sätta mig in i OpenERP så kändes det alltför begränsat för att lösa
våra behov. Möjligen kan det bero på att jag inte lyckades förstå
OpenERP ordentligt, men på den tiden hade de en "livedemo" som
faktiskt var just en "datorbyggare" och demon kändes betydligt sämmre
än det system vi då hade (som vi valde att skriva om från början).



I samband med detta kan jag också passa på att fråga ifall någon har
bra tipps på någon duktig Ruby utvecklare som kan jobba på
projektbasis? Allt ifrån "kvällshackande student" till en ren konsult
kan vara intressant.





Jag samanfattar nedan lite av vad systemet hanterar idag:

* Kund och leverantörsregister
  - Fritt kopplade kontaktpersoner.
  - Separata leverans och fakturaadresser.
  - Flera lagerplatser per kund
* Offert/Order
  - Versionshantering av offerter
  - PDF och .txt generering av offerter, orderbekräftelser samt
    följesedlar. 
  - Automatiskt skapande av inköpsbehov av komponenter som ingår i
    offerter (vid beställning av en komplett dator uppstår
    ex. komponentbehov för cpu, minne, osv.).
  - Hantering av leveranser och delleveranser. 
* Fakturering
  - Automatisk generering av fakturor från offert/leverans. 
  - Bevakning av förfallna fakturor och registrering av betalning.
  - Export till extern bokföring i SIE format.
* Valutahantering
  - Hantering av olika valutor samt import av växelkurser.
* Modeller (Typkonfigurationer)
  - Hantering av "modeller" som byggs upp av delkomponenter till en
    färdig produkt (i vårt fall datorer, men skulle som sagt lika
    gärna kunna vara något annat som har flera ingående "råvaror").
  - Val av vad som visas "externt" (ex. vid offert) i en modell.
* Lager/komponenthantering
  - Automatisk generering av beställngsunderlag till leverantörer
    baserat på ordrar. Matchning av behov mot resp. leverantör, stöd
    för flera leverantörer av samma komponent. 
  - Automatisk import av pris och lagerlistor från
    leverantör. Antingen via websida och csv fil eller ex. via
    cronjobb.
* Returhantering
  -  Hantering och spårning av returer från kunder och till
    leverantörer. Spårning och utbyte av enskilda komponenter (som kan
    ingå i en komplett produkt). 
* Övrigt
  - Generering av serienummer, utskrift av dessa på etikettskrivare.
  - Scanning av inkommande leveranser/komponenter med
    streckkodsläsare. m.m.
  - Lite försäljningsstatistik.


MVH
Jakob Sandgren
VD, South Pole AB

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2014-01-28 11:17, Erik Lönroth skrev:
> Är det någon som känner till något lagerhanterings-system som är open source?
>
> På Scania har vi ett litet lager med typ 10.000 artiklar som idag kör
> på ett lastgammalt system som kanske skulle kunna bytas ut.
>
> Någon som vet eller kan peka i någon riktning?

OpenERP

https://www.openerp.com/apps/stock/

https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/7.0

OpenERP är ett affärsystem under licensen GPL3, som bland annat omfattar 
lagerhantering.

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> OpenERP =E4r ett aff=E4rsystem under licensen GPL3, som bland annat omfat=
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> lagerhantering.


Nja, AGPL =E4r det v=E4l =E4nd=E5?

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2014-01-29 06:40, Daniel Melin skrev:
> 2014/1/29 Anders Wallenquist <aw@kreawit.se <mailto:aw@kreawit.se>>
>
>     OpenERP är ett affärsystem under licensen GPL3, som bland annat
>     omfattar lagerhantering.
>
>
> Nja, AGPL är det väl ändå?
>

#    OpenERP, Open Source Management Solution
#    Copyright (C) 2004-2012 OpenERP SA (<http://www.openerp.com>)
#
#    This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
#    it under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License as
#    published by the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the
#    License, or (at your option) any later version.

Du har också rätt....

/Anders

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            <div>Nja, AGPL &auml;r det v&auml;l &auml;nd&aring;?</div>
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    #&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OpenERP, Open Source Management Solution<br>
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Vi övervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar åt en statlig myndighet med Nagios. 
De önskar få uppföljning av energiförbrukning. Går det att läsa ut något 
från en Linux-kärna som kan ge ett mått på detta? Vi har inga 
möjligheter att ansluta energimätare vid maskinerna.

Några idéer?

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Kanske med powertop? Intels verktyg f=F6r att se f=F6rbrukning ner p=E5
processniv=E5.

Mvh // Daniel


2014-01-29 Anders Wallenquist <anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se>

> Vi =F6vervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar =E5t en statlig myndighet med Nagi=
os.
> De =F6nskar f=E5 uppf=F6ljning av energif=F6rbrukning. G=E5r det att l=E4=
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> fr=E5n en Linux-k=E4rna som kan ge ett m=E5tt p=E5 detta? Vi har inga m=
=F6jligheter
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ning ner p=E5 processniv=E5.<div><br></div><div>Mvh // Daniel</div></div><d=
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rs Wallenquist <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:anders.wallenquist@k=
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r>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Vi =F6vervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar =E5t =
en statlig myndighet med Nagios. De =F6nskar f=E5 uppf=F6ljning av energif=
=F6rbrukning. G=E5r det att l=E4sa ut n=E5got fr=E5n en Linux-k=E4rna som k=
an ge ett m=E5tt p=E5 detta? Vi har inga m=F6jligheter att ansluta energim=
=E4tare vid maskinerna.<br>

<br>
N=E5gra id=E9er?<br>
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Hejsan!

EU-kommissionen har MS-windows som OS på hela sin myndighet.

Jag har haft diskussioner med EU-kommissionen på twitter, där jag
påpekat att det blir omöjligt att ha förtroende för en myndighet som
använder sig av just detta OS. Delvis eftersom meddelarhemligheten
blir omöjlig att garantera.

Jag påpekade som exempel på: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY som
är en tekniskt inbyggd otrygghet som blir svårt att ignorera i ljuset
av #Snowden avslöjandena 2014.

Jag menade på att bara genom att använda sig av open source och/eller
free software på deras myndighet kan vi ta deras stora arbete med
dataskydd på allvar. Detta verkade inte EU-kommissionen vara medvetna
om riktigt.

Jag bjud därför in Amelia Andersdotter att kommentera på detta, vilket
hon gjorde.

EU-kommissionen inbjöd lite senare FOSS-stockholm att ev. försöka
arrangera en debatt om just detta ämne.

Följande meddelande fick jag från EU-kommissionen som en invit till
FOSS Stockholm därför:

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@erik_lonroth @teirdes Kan du komma med ett förslag om koncept &
debattupplägg till comm-rep-se@ec.europa.eu ?
(https://twitter.com/EC_StockholmRep/status/428528105485922304)


Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.

/Erik Lönroth

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> Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
> så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
> för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
> Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
> fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.

Hej Erik
här är ett förslag från mig om deltagare och upplägg etc.


Utkast till förslag:

IT och integritet - om öppen källkod inom EUs förvaltning

IT och integritet är frågor som hör ihop. Hur väl fungerar
dagens regler när det gäller integritet och kan webbtjänster
användas för känsliga personuppgifter ?  Med tanke på alla
avslöjanden om bakdörrar i programvaror som då kan sprida
känsliga personuppgifter så kan man ställa sig frågan:

Kan öppen källkod vara enda lösningen för framtidens IT-behov ?
  
För om man inte kan se källkoden, hur kan man då veta
att datorprogrammen är integritetssäkra ? Hur skall man
garantera myndigheters användning av IT inte hotar
allas integritet ?


Plats:  EUs Europahus i stockholm

Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller början på april säg vecka 13-14 ?
Tidåtgång ca 2 timmar.

Förslag med folk till panelen:

Politiker:

- Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP
- Caroline Szyber, KDs rättspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot

Öppen källkodsexperter:

- Anders S Lindbäck, ordförande Svenska Linuxföreningen anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se
- Björn Lundell, ordförande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid Högskolan i Skövde, bjorn.lundell@his.se


Myndigheter:

- Datainspektionen
- EU kommissionens representant

dvs 2 öppen källkodsexperter, 2 politiker och 2 myndigheter.

Alternativt kan även någon av följande bjudas in om de ovan inte kan eller vill:

Politiker:

- Gunnar Hökmark MEP M   (kunnigaste MEPen från moderaterna)
- Anna Maria CORAZZA BILDT MEP M (jobbar med dataskyddsförordningen)

Öppen källkod-experter:

- Monika Orski, monika@orski.se  http://www.orski.se/oss.html
- Anders Wallenqvist  anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se
- Daniel Stenberg daniel@haxx.se


Myndigheter:
  - Om DI inte kan vill så kan man prova med Anne Ramberg, Advokatsamfundet
    som ofta uttalar sig om integritetsfrågor och kan lagarna.


Förslag till upplägg:

Kort presentation av deltagarna i panelen och så kör
man några i förväg framtagna frågor och låter alla
i panelen svara på dem.

Därefter så låter man även besökarna på mötet
ställa frågor till panelen.

Moderatorn bör då ha några extrafrågor att ställa
om ingen i publiken ställer frågor.


Att ordna:
- Det behövs att bestämma datum, tid, plats.
- Kontakta alla föreslagna deltagare och se om de vill och kan dyka upp
   vid den tidpunkten och om inte då gå vidare till reserverna.
- Promota seminariet.
- Fixa till lokalen och så folk kan anmäla sig samt ordna det praktiska
på plats.

I dagsläget så har jag inte frågat någon om ovanstående
om de vill och kan dyka upp utan har tagit med de jag vet brukar
uttala sig.

Låt Eu ordna allt det praktiska, de borde ha erfarenhet av detta.






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Nu vet jag inte om problemet med elm=E4tarinstallation =E4ven inkluderar
nedanst=E5ende f=F6rslag.

Montera Elm=E4tande pluggar typ Fibaros "FGWPE" och en zwave-sticka i en av
datorerna.
Med lite programvara kan du monitorera alla anslutna datorer lite beroende
p=E5 hur du monterar dem.
Dessa kan leverera b=E5de momentan och accumulerad effektf=F6rbrukning.
Att jag n=E4mner Fibaros plug beror p=E5 att det =E4r den just nu minsta p=
=E5
marknaden.
Det finns =E4ven Hela kopplingslister med inbyggd m=E4tutrustning, b=E5de
individuellt och f=F6r listen.
En f=F6rdel med detta =E4r att du p=E5 distans kan starta om burkar.


-------------------------------------------------------------
*Martin Assarsson*
Tiundav=E4gen 12
746 34  B=C5LSTA

Tel: 0733-555256


Den 29 januari 2014 18:39 skrev Daniel Lundh <dlundh@gmail.com>:

> Kanske med powertop? Intels verktyg f=F6r att se f=F6rbrukning ner p=E5
> processniv=E5.
>
> Mvh // Daniel
>
>
> 2014-01-29 Anders Wallenquist <anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se>
>
> Vi =F6vervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar =E5t en statlig myndighet med Nagi=
os.
>> De =F6nskar f=E5 uppf=F6ljning av energif=F6rbrukning. G=E5r det att l=
=E4sa ut n=E5got
>> fr=E5n en Linux-k=E4rna som kan ge ett m=E5tt p=E5 detta? Vi har inga m=
=F6jligheter
>> att ansluta energim=E4tare vid maskinerna.
>>
>> N=E5gra id=E9er?
>>
>> Mvh
>> Anders Wallenquist
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards/Mvh
> Daniel Lundh
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Nu vet jag inte om problemet med elm=E4tarinstallatio=
n =E4ven inkluderar nedanst=E5ende f=F6rslag.</div><div><br></div>Montera E=
lm=E4tande pluggar typ Fibaros &quot;FGWPE&quot; och en zwave-sticka i en a=
v datorerna.<div>
Med lite programvara kan du monitorera alla anslutna datorer lite beroende =
p=E5 hur du monterar dem.</div><div>Dessa kan leverera b=E5de momentan och =
accumulerad effektf=F6rbrukning.</div><div>Att jag n=E4mner Fibaros plug be=
ror p=E5 att det =E4r den just nu minsta p=E5 marknaden.</div>
<div>Det finns =E4ven Hela kopplingslister med inbyggd m=E4tutrustning, b=
=E5de individuellt och f=F6r listen.</div><div>En f=F6rdel med detta =E4r a=
tt du p=E5 distans kan starta om burkar.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br clear=3D"all">
<div><br>-------------------------------------------------------------<br><=
b><font color=3D"#000099">Martin Assarsson</font></b><br>Tiundav=E4gen 12<b=
r>746 34=A0 B=C5LSTA<br><br>Tel: 0733-555256</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 29 januari 2014 18:39 skrev Daniel L=
undh <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlundh@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">dlundh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Kanske med powertop? Intels verktyg f=F6r att se f=F6rbruk=
ning ner p=E5 processniv=E5.<div><br></div><div>Mvh // Daniel</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-01-29 Ande=
rs Wallenquist <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:anders.wallenquist@k=
reawit.se" target=3D"_blank">anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se</a>&gt;</span><d=
iv>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Vi =F6vervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar =E5t =
en statlig myndighet med Nagios. De =F6nskar f=E5 uppf=F6ljning av energif=
=F6rbrukning. G=E5r det att l=E4sa ut n=E5got fr=E5n en Linux-k=E4rna som k=
an ge ett m=E5tt p=E5 detta? Vi har inga m=F6jligheter att ansluta energim=
=E4tare vid maskinerna.<br>


<br>
N=E5gra id=E9er?<br>
<br>
Mvh<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Anders Wallenquist<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
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Måste siffran vara exakt?
Det övervakningsverktyg vi använder uppskattar hur stor förbrukning våra 
kunder har om vi angivit deras utrustnings genomsnittliga effekt. Så 
länge du kan få fram totala onlinetimmar kan du själv räkna ut 
ungefärlig förbrukning (elförbrukning = ca onlinetimmar * genomsnittlig 
effekt).

Du får väl inget exakt värde ens om datorn kan tillfrågas? eftersom tex 
skärmens förbrukning då inte skulle vara medräknad.

Vänliga hälsningar
David Jarl
Prinet AB
Direkt: 08 122 122 52
Växel: 08 122 122 50

2014-01-29 18:00, Anders Wallenquist skrev:
> Vi övervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar åt en statlig myndighet med 
> Nagios. De önskar få uppföljning av energiförbrukning. Går det att 
> läsa ut något från en Linux-kärna som kan ge ett mått på detta? Vi har 
> inga möjligheter att ansluta energimätare vid maskinerna.
>
> Några idéer?
>
> Mvh
> Anders Wallenquist
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">M&aring;ste siffran vara exakt?<br>
      Det &ouml;vervakningsverktyg vi anv&auml;nder uppskattar hur stor
      f&ouml;rbrukning v&aring;ra kunder har om vi angivit deras utrustnings
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      eftersom tex sk&auml;rmens f&ouml;rbrukning d&aring; inte skulle vara medr&auml;knad.
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    <blockquote cite="mid:52E933BC.90605@kreawit.se" type="cite">Vi
      &ouml;vervakar ett antal Ubuntu-burkar &aring;t en statlig myndighet med
      Nagios. De &ouml;nskar f&aring; uppf&ouml;ljning av energif&ouml;rbrukning. G&aring;r det att
      l&auml;sa ut n&aring;got fr&aring;n en Linux-k&auml;rna som kan ge ett m&aring;tt p&aring; detta? Vi
      har inga m&ouml;jligheter att ansluta energim&auml;tare vid maskinerna.
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Tycker om det upplägget Anders, men om det går skulle åtminstone jag
även se Mark Klamberg som en av deltagarna i en sådan debatt, med
bakgrund av dels hans avhandling om FRA och FRA-lagen, men även som en
av de ledande folkrättsjuristerna i Sverige. Kan höra mig för med
honom om han är intresserad och har tid. Men då måste tid och plats
vara spikade.

/Jens O.

Den 30 januari 2014 06:42 skrev Anders S Lindbäck
<vetgirig@kunskapssamhallet.se>:
>
>> Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
>> så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
>> för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
>> Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
>> fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
>
>
> Hej Erik
> här är ett förslag från mig om deltagare och upplägg etc.
>
>
> Utkast till förslag:
>
> IT och integritet - om öppen källkod inom EUs förvaltning
>
> IT och integritet är frågor som hör ihop. Hur väl fungerar
> dagens regler när det gäller integritet och kan webbtjänster
> användas för känsliga personuppgifter ?  Med tanke på alla
> avslöjanden om bakdörrar i programvaror som då kan sprida
> känsliga personuppgifter så kan man ställa sig frågan:
>
> Kan öppen källkod vara enda lösningen för framtidens IT-behov ?
>  För om man inte kan se källkoden, hur kan man då veta
> att datorprogrammen är integritetssäkra ? Hur skall man
> garantera myndigheters användning av IT inte hotar
> allas integritet ?
>
>
> Plats:  EUs Europahus i stockholm
>
> Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller början på april säg vecka 13-14 ?
> Tidåtgång ca 2 timmar.
>
> Förslag med folk till panelen:
>
> Politiker:
>
> - Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP
> - Caroline Szyber, KDs rättspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot
>
> Öppen källkodsexperter:
>
> - Anders S Lindbäck, ordförande Svenska Linuxföreningen
> anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se
> - Björn Lundell, ordförande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid Högskolan i
> Skövde, bjorn.lundell@his.se
>
>
> Myndigheter:
>
> - Datainspektionen
> - EU kommissionens representant
>
> dvs 2 öppen källkodsexperter, 2 politiker och 2 myndigheter.
>
> Alternativt kan även någon av följande bjudas in om de ovan inte kan eller
> vill:
>
> Politiker:
>
> - Gunnar Hökmark MEP M   (kunnigaste MEPen från moderaterna)
> - Anna Maria CORAZZA BILDT MEP M (jobbar med dataskyddsförordningen)
>
> Öppen källkod-experter:
>
> - Monika Orski, monika@orski.se  http://www.orski.se/oss.html
> - Anders Wallenqvist  anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se
> - Daniel Stenberg daniel@haxx.se
>
>
> Myndigheter:
>  - Om DI inte kan vill så kan man prova med Anne Ramberg, Advokatsamfundet
>    som ofta uttalar sig om integritetsfrågor och kan lagarna.
>
>
> Förslag till upplägg:
>
> Kort presentation av deltagarna i panelen och så kör
> man några i förväg framtagna frågor och låter alla
> i panelen svara på dem.
>
> Därefter så låter man även besökarna på mötet
> ställa frågor till panelen.
>
> Moderatorn bör då ha några extrafrågor att ställa
> om ingen i publiken ställer frågor.
>
>
> Att ordna:
> - Det behövs att bestämma datum, tid, plats.
> - Kontakta alla föreslagna deltagare och se om de vill och kan dyka upp
>   vid den tidpunkten och om inte då gå vidare till reserverna.
> - Promota seminariet.
> - Fixa till lokalen och så folk kan anmäla sig samt ordna det praktiska
> på plats.
>
> I dagsläget så har jag inte frågat någon om ovanstående
> om de vill och kan dyka upp utan har tagit med de jag vet brukar
> uttala sig.
>
> Låt Eu ordna allt det praktiska, de borde ha erfarenhet av detta.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jag kan skicka till kommissionen upplägget. Med den här panelen kanske
kommissionen tycker  det är värt att ställa upp.

Jag skickar iväg Anders S förslag med lite revideringar och möjliga
intresserade. Jag tänker mig bjuda in via FOSS-stockholm?

/Erik

2014-01-30 Jens Odsvall <jodsvall@gmail.com>:
> Tycker om det upplägget Anders, men om det går skulle åtminstone jag
> även se Mark Klamberg som en av deltagarna i en sådan debatt, med
> bakgrund av dels hans avhandling om FRA och FRA-lagen, men även som en
> av de ledande folkrättsjuristerna i Sverige. Kan höra mig för med
> honom om han är intresserad och har tid. Men då måste tid och plats
> vara spikade.
>
> /Jens O.
>
> Den 30 januari 2014 06:42 skrev Anders S Lindbäck
> <vetgirig@kunskapssamhallet.se>:
>>
>>> Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
>>> så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
>>> för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
>>> Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
>>> fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
>>
>>
>> Hej Erik
>> här är ett förslag från mig om deltagare och upplägg etc.
>>
>>
>> Utkast till förslag:
>>
>> IT och integritet - om öppen källkod inom EUs förvaltning
>>
>> IT och integritet är frågor som hör ihop. Hur väl fungerar
>> dagens regler när det gäller integritet och kan webbtjänster
>> användas för känsliga personuppgifter ?  Med tanke på alla
>> avslöjanden om bakdörrar i programvaror som då kan sprida
>> känsliga personuppgifter så kan man ställa sig frågan:
>>
>> Kan öppen källkod vara enda lösningen för framtidens IT-behov ?
>>  För om man inte kan se källkoden, hur kan man då veta
>> att datorprogrammen är integritetssäkra ? Hur skall man
>> garantera myndigheters användning av IT inte hotar
>> allas integritet ?
>>
>>
>> Plats:  EUs Europahus i stockholm
>>
>> Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller början på april säg vecka 13-14 ?
>> Tidåtgång ca 2 timmar.
>>
>> Förslag med folk till panelen:
>>
>> Politiker:
>>
>> - Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP
>> - Caroline Szyber, KDs rättspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot
>>
>> Öppen källkodsexperter:
>>
>> - Anders S Lindbäck, ordförande Svenska Linuxföreningen
>> anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se
>> - Björn Lundell, ordförande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid Högskolan i
>> Skövde, bjorn.lundell@his.se
>>
>>
>> Myndigheter:
>>
>> - Datainspektionen
>> - EU kommissionens representant
>>
>> dvs 2 öppen källkodsexperter, 2 politiker och 2 myndigheter.
>>
>> Alternativt kan även någon av följande bjudas in om de ovan inte kan eller
>> vill:
>>
>> Politiker:
>>
>> - Gunnar Hökmark MEP M   (kunnigaste MEPen från moderaterna)
>> - Anna Maria CORAZZA BILDT MEP M (jobbar med dataskyddsförordningen)
>>
>> Öppen källkod-experter:
>>
>> - Monika Orski, monika@orski.se  http://www.orski.se/oss.html
>> - Anders Wallenqvist  anders.wallenquist@kreawit.se
>> - Daniel Stenberg daniel@haxx.se
>>
>>
>> Myndigheter:
>>  - Om DI inte kan vill så kan man prova med Anne Ramberg, Advokatsamfundet
>>    som ofta uttalar sig om integritetsfrågor och kan lagarna.
>>
>>
>> Förslag till upplägg:
>>
>> Kort presentation av deltagarna i panelen och så kör
>> man några i förväg framtagna frågor och låter alla
>> i panelen svara på dem.
>>
>> Därefter så låter man även besökarna på mötet
>> ställa frågor till panelen.
>>
>> Moderatorn bör då ha några extrafrågor att ställa
>> om ingen i publiken ställer frågor.
>>
>>
>> Att ordna:
>> - Det behövs att bestämma datum, tid, plats.
>> - Kontakta alla föreslagna deltagare och se om de vill och kan dyka upp
>>   vid den tidpunkten och om inte då gå vidare till reserverna.
>> - Promota seminariet.
>> - Fixa till lokalen och så folk kan anmäla sig samt ordna det praktiska
>> på plats.
>>
>> I dagsläget så har jag inte frågat någon om ovanstående
>> om de vill och kan dyka upp utan har tagit med de jag vet brukar
>> uttala sig.
>>
>> Låt Eu ordna allt det praktiska, de borde ha erfarenhet av detta.
>>
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Hej!

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Hej,

On 30 jan 2014, at 01:45, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hejsan!
> 
> EU-kommissionen har MS-windows som OS på hela sin myndighet.
> 
> Jag har haft diskussioner med EU-kommissionen på twitter, där jag
> påpekat att det blir omöjligt att ha förtroende för en myndighet som
> använder sig av just detta OS. Delvis eftersom meddelarhemligheten
> blir omöjlig att garantera.
> 
> Jag påpekade som exempel på: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY som
> är en tekniskt inbyggd otrygghet som blir svårt att ignorera i ljuset
> av #Snowden avslöjandena 2014.
> 
> Jag menade på att bara genom att använda sig av open source och/eller
> free software på deras myndighet kan vi ta deras stora arbete med
> dataskydd på allvar. Detta verkade inte EU-kommissionen vara medvetna
> om riktigt.
> 
> Jag bjud därför in Amelia Andersdotter att kommentera på detta, vilket
> hon gjorde.
> 
> EU-kommissionen inbjöd lite senare FOSS-stockholm att ev. försöka
> arrangera en debatt om just detta ämne.
> 
> Följande meddelande fick jag från EU-kommissionen som en invit till
> FOSS Stockholm därför:
> 
> ----
> @erik_lonroth @teirdes Kan du komma med ett förslag om koncept &
> debattupplägg till comm-rep-se@ec.europa.eu ?
> (https://twitter.com/EC_StockholmRep/status/428528105485922304)
> 
> 
> Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
> så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
> för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
> Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
> fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
> 
> /Erik Lönroth

även om jag tycker detta är ett trevligt initiativ vill jag påminna hur jag (och jag tror även Daniel) i form av "grundare" till FOSS-Sthlm ställer sig när det gäller ställningstagande kring t.ex. politik.

FOSS-Sthlm är ingen förening med stadgar eller agenda, inte heller några medlemsavgifter eller liknande. Det är en e-postlista, en IRC kanal och en webbsajt och så råkar vi arrangera lite aktiviteter emellanåt. 

Bland vi som utgör FOSS-Sthlm, dvs vi på epost-listan, IRC och kommer på träffar, är jag övertygad att vi har sympatisörer bland alla av riksdagspartierna samt de representerade i EU. Därför är det viktigt att vi som FOSS-Sthlm gruppering håller oss neutrala och obundna även om enskilda individer självklart får göra som de vill. Det innebär också att vi helst ser att FOSS-Sthlm som "officiell" grupp inte gör något ihop med något enskilt parti. Jag ser inget fel att ordna en debatt likt denna men då är det viktigt att alla partier får en inbjudan att deltaga samt att det är tydligt att FOSS-Sthlm är politiskt neutralt.

/Claes


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Otroligt bra initiativ! Jag är endast en följare på listan. Men en mycket engagerad sådan. :)

/Alice 

> 30 jan 2014 kl. 01:45 skrev Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hejsan!
> 
> EU-kommissionen har MS-windows som OS på hela sin myndighet.
> 
> Jag har haft diskussioner med EU-kommissionen på twitter, där jag
> påpekat att det blir omöjligt att ha förtroende för en myndighet som
> använder sig av just detta OS. Delvis eftersom meddelarhemligheten
> blir omöjlig att garantera.
> 
> Jag påpekade som exempel på: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY som
> är en tekniskt inbyggd otrygghet som blir svårt att ignorera i ljuset
> av #Snowden avslöjandena 2014.
> 
> Jag menade på att bara genom att använda sig av open source och/eller
> free software på deras myndighet kan vi ta deras stora arbete med
> dataskydd på allvar. Detta verkade inte EU-kommissionen vara medvetna
> om riktigt.
> 
> Jag bjud därför in Amelia Andersdotter att kommentera på detta, vilket
> hon gjorde.
> 
> EU-kommissionen inbjöd lite senare FOSS-stockholm att ev. försöka
> arrangera en debatt om just detta ämne.
> 
> Följande meddelande fick jag från EU-kommissionen som en invit till
> FOSS Stockholm därför:
> 
> ----
> @erik_lonroth @teirdes Kan du komma med ett förslag om koncept &
> debattupplägg till comm-rep-se@ec.europa.eu ?
> (https://twitter.com/EC_StockholmRep/status/428528105485922304)
> 
> 
> Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
> så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
> för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
> Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
> fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
> 
> /Erik Lönroth
> 
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 06:42:17AM +0100, Anders S Lindbäck wrote:
> 
> >Så, finns det intresse från FOSS att arrangera en sådan här debatt? I
> >så fall skulle jag kunna undersöka möjligheterna att använda EU-huset
> >för detta ändamål och skicka det som förslag till EU-kommissionen och
> >Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i någon slags debatt om
> >fri/öppen källkod, källskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
> 
> Hej Erik
> här är ett förslag från mig om deltagare och upplägg etc.

Anders,

"Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.

See Ted Tso's comments about potentially weakened encryption provided 
by Intel but rejected from the Linux kernel for more.
 
> 
> Utkast till förslag:
> 
> IT och integritet - om öppen källkod inom EUs förvaltning
> 
> IT och integritet är frågor som hör ihop. Hur väl fungerar
> dagens regler när det gäller integritet och kan webbtjänster
> användas för känsliga personuppgifter ?  Med tanke på alla
> avslöjanden om bakdörrar i programvaror som då kan sprida
> känsliga personuppgifter så kan man ställa sig frågan:
> 
> Kan öppen källkod vara enda lösningen för framtidens IT-behov ?
> För om man inte kan se källkoden, hur kan man då veta
> att datorprogrammen är integritetssäkra ? Hur skall man
> garantera myndigheters användning av IT inte hotar
> allas integritet ?
> 
> 
> Plats:  EUs Europahus i stockholm
> 
> Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller början på april säg vecka 13-14 ?
> Tidåtgång ca 2 timmar.
> 
> Förslag med folk till panelen:
> 
> Politiker:
> 
> - Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP
> - Caroline Szyber, KDs rättspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot
> 
> Öppen källkodsexperter:
> 
> - Anders S Lindbäck, ordförande Svenska Linuxföreningen anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se

Are you nominating yourself?

> - Björn Lundell, ordförande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid Högskolan i Skövde, bjorn.lundell@his.se

I don't understand why you don't have people like Jonas Öberg or
Henrik Sandklef on your list. These are internationally recognized
experts in the field of Free Software licensing who have worked with
the FSF, the FSFE and at the EU level for years.

Regards,

Jeremiah
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Jag ska sammanst=E4lla mail, inbjudan och namn i helgen t=E4nkte jag. Fyll
g=E4rna p=E5 med fler intressanta namn.

=C4nnu b=E4ttre om du k=E4nner n=E5gon och kan lobba lite p=E5 den innan.

/Erik
Den 30 jan 2014 22:55 skrev "Jeremiah C. Foster" <
jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com>:

> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 06:42:17AM +0100, Anders S Lindb=E4ck wrote:
> >
> > >S=E5, finns det intresse fr=E5n FOSS att arrangera en s=E5dan h=E4r de=
batt? I
> > >s=E5 fall skulle jag kunna unders=F6ka m=F6jligheterna att anv=E4nda E=
U-huset
> > >f=F6r detta =E4ndam=E5l och skicka det som f=F6rslag till EU-kommissio=
nen och
> > >Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i n=E5gon slags debatt om
> > >fri/=F6ppen k=E4llkod, k=E4llskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.
> >
> > Hej Erik
> > h=E4r =E4r ett f=F6rslag fr=E5n mig om deltagare och uppl=E4gg etc.
>
> Anders,
>
> "=D6ppen k=E4llkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
> appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
> to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
> information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
> auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
> strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
> privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
> strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.
>
> See Ted Tso's comments about potentially weakened encryption provided
> by Intel but rejected from the Linux kernel for more.
>
> >
> > Utkast till f=F6rslag:
> >
> > IT och integritet - om =F6ppen k=E4llkod inom EUs f=F6rvaltning
> >
> > IT och integritet =E4r fr=E5gor som h=F6r ihop. Hur v=E4l fungerar
> > dagens regler n=E4r det g=E4ller integritet och kan webbtj=E4nster
> > anv=E4ndas f=F6r k=E4nsliga personuppgifter ?  Med tanke p=E5 alla
> > avsl=F6janden om bakd=F6rrar i programvaror som d=E5 kan sprida
> > k=E4nsliga personuppgifter s=E5 kan man st=E4lla sig fr=E5gan:
> >
> > Kan =F6ppen k=E4llkod vara enda l=F6sningen f=F6r framtidens IT-behov ?
> > F=F6r om man inte kan se k=E4llkoden, hur kan man d=E5 veta
> > att datorprogrammen =E4r integritetss=E4kra ? Hur skall man
> > garantera myndigheters anv=E4ndning av IT inte hotar
> > allas integritet ?
> >
> >
> > Plats:  EUs Europahus i stockholm
> >
> > Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller b=F6rjan p=E5 april s=E4g vecka 13-14 ?
> > Tid=E5tg=E5ng ca 2 timmar.
> >
> > F=F6rslag med folk till panelen:
> >
> > Politiker:
> >
> > - Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP
> > - Caroline Szyber, KDs r=E4ttspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot
> >
> > =D6ppen k=E4llkodsexperter:
> >
> > - Anders S Lindb=E4ck, ordf=F6rande Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen
> anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se
>
> Are you nominating yourself?
>
> > - Bj=F6rn Lundell, ordf=F6rande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid H=F6gs=
kolan i
> Sk=F6vde, bjorn.lundell@his.se
>
> I don't understand why you don't have people like Jonas =D6berg or
> Henrik Sandklef on your list. These are internationally recognized
> experts in the field of Free Software licensing who have worked with
> the FSF, the FSFE and at the EU level for years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremiah
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
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<p dir=3D"ltr">=C4nnu b=E4ttre om du k=E4nner n=E5gon och kan lobba lite p=
=E5 den innan.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">/Erik</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 30 jan 2014 22:55 skrev &quot;Jeremiah C. Fo=
ster&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com">jeremiah@jere=
miahfoster.com</a>&gt;:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 06:42:17AM +0100, Anders S Lindb=E4ck wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;S=E5, finns det intresse fr=E5n FOSS att arrangera en s=E5dan h=E4=
r debatt? I<br>
&gt; &gt;s=E5 fall skulle jag kunna unders=F6ka m=F6jligheterna att anv=E4n=
da EU-huset<br>
&gt; &gt;f=F6r detta =E4ndam=E5l och skicka det som f=F6rslag till EU-kommi=
ssionen och<br>
&gt; &gt;Amelia Andersdotter (Piratpartiet) m.fl. i n=E5gon slags debatt om=
<br>
&gt; &gt;fri/=F6ppen k=E4llkod, k=E4llskydd, dataskydd i ett EU-perspektiv.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hej Erik<br>
&gt; h=E4r =E4r ett f=F6rslag fr=E5n mig om deltagare och uppl=E4gg etc.<br=
>
<br>
Anders,<br>
<br>
&quot;=D6ppen k=E4llkod&quot;, translated to English as &quot;Open Source c=
ode&quot;, is not<br>
appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs<br>
to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt<br>
information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be<br>
auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has<br>
strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu<br>
privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement<br>
strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.<br>
<br>
See Ted Tso&#39;s comments about potentially weakened encryption provided<b=
r>
by Intel but rejected from the Linux kernel for more.<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Utkast till f=F6rslag:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; IT och integritet - om =F6ppen k=E4llkod inom EUs f=F6rvaltning<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; IT och integritet =E4r fr=E5gor som h=F6r ihop. Hur v=E4l fungerar<br>
&gt; dagens regler n=E4r det g=E4ller integritet och kan webbtj=E4nster<br>
&gt; anv=E4ndas f=F6r k=E4nsliga personuppgifter ? =A0Med tanke p=E5 alla<b=
r>
&gt; avsl=F6janden om bakd=F6rrar i programvaror som d=E5 kan sprida<br>
&gt; k=E4nsliga personuppgifter s=E5 kan man st=E4lla sig fr=E5gan:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Kan =F6ppen k=E4llkod vara enda l=F6sningen f=F6r framtidens IT-behov =
?<br>
&gt; F=F6r om man inte kan se k=E4llkoden, hur kan man d=E5 veta<br>
&gt; att datorprogrammen =E4r integritetss=E4kra ? Hur skall man<br>
&gt; garantera myndigheters anv=E4ndning av IT inte hotar<br>
&gt; allas integritet ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Plats: =A0EUs Europahus i stockholm<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Tidpunkt: Slutet av mars eller b=F6rjan p=E5 april s=E4g vecka 13-14 ?=
<br>
&gt; Tid=E5tg=E5ng ca 2 timmar.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; F=F6rslag med folk till panelen:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Politiker:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; - Amelia Andersdotter, MEP PP<br>
&gt; - Caroline Szyber, KDs r=E4ttspolitiska talesperson, riksdagsledamot<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =D6ppen k=E4llkodsexperter:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; - Anders S Lindb=E4ck, ordf=F6rande Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen <a href=
=3D"mailto:anders.lindback@svenskalinuxforeningen.se">anders.lindback@svens=
kalinuxforeningen.se</a><br>
<br>
Are you nominating yourself?<br>
<br>
&gt; - Bj=F6rn Lundell, ordf=F6rande Open Source Sweden, Forskare vid H=F6g=
skolan i Sk=F6vde, <a href=3D"mailto:bjorn.lundell@his.se">bjorn.lundell@hi=
s.se</a><br>
<br>
I don&#39;t understand why you don&#39;t have people like Jonas =D6berg or<=
br>
Henrik Sandklef on your list. These are internationally recognized<br>
experts in the field of Free Software licensing who have worked with<br>
the FSF, the FSFE and at the EU level for years.<br>
<br>
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<br>
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2014-01-15 08:43, Jonas Öberg skrev:
>> Jag kan prata om OpenERP, ett fritt affärssystem på frammarsch.
> Det är intressant! Vi har just implementerat detta i Shuttleworth
> Foundation och jag är imponerad över dess möjligheter till analytiska
> upplägg av transaktioner (vad nu det heter på svenska, men
> objektredovisning kanske?).

I den svenska översättningen har vi kallar account.analytic.account för 
objektkonton och objektredovisning. Ja det är en trevlig funktion som 
man kan bygga nästan vad som helst med. Vi gjorde bland annat ett 
annonsförsäljningssystem baserat på just 
account.analytic.account-klassen, och har tidigare byggt ett system för 
att administrera mobiltelefoner och plattor i ett företag på samma klass...

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On 01/30/2014 10:55 PM, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
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> "Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
> appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
> to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
> information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
> auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
> strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu

I'd say this is an opinion and not a fact.

> privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
> strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.

I don't see people having a hard time auditing OpenSSL due to the 
license, and that isn't GPLv3.

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 08:47:41AM +0100, Janne Johansson wrote:
> On 01/30/2014 10:55 PM, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
> >
> >"Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
> >appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
> >to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
> >information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
> >auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
> >strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
> 
> I'd say this is an opinion and not a fact.
> 
> >privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
> >strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.
> 
> I don't see people having a hard time auditing OpenSSL due to the
> license, and that isn't GPLv3.
> 

What I think he means is that with Open Source licenses you can make
propritary producs that are changed in a way that differs from public
versions of openssl. If our goal is to make the EU run code that is auditable
then we need to have a license that guarantees this. But that could ofcourse 
be solved with some law or regulation which would provide a safeguard
against propritary binaries. But why not use a license that guarantees this
from the beginning?

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On 01/31/2014 01:20 PM, Tommy Nevtelen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 08:47:41AM +0100, Janne Johansson wrote:
>> On 01/30/2014 10:55 PM, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
>>>
>>> "Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
>>> appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
>>> to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
>>> information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
>>> auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
>>> strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
>>
>> I'd say this is an opinion and not a fact.
>>
>>> privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
>>> strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.
>>
>> I don't see people having a hard time auditing OpenSSL due to the
>> license, and that isn't GPLv3.
>>
>
> What I think he means is that with Open Source licenses you can make
> propritary producs that are changed in a way that differs from public
> versions of openssl. If our goal is to make the EU run code that is auditable
> then we need to have a license that guarantees this. But that could ofcourse
> be solved with some law or regulation which would provide a safeguard
> against propritary binaries. But why not use a license that guarantees this
> from the beginning?


I'd say there are multiple errors in this statement.
- Open source is widely consider the best guardian for information 
security (as you all probably know). It is _very_ appropriate.
- GPLv3 is an open source license.

Författaren verkar lite förvirrad när det gäller open source och de 
olika licenser som faller under begreppet (där GPL i dess olika 
versioner är några av dem)
http://opensource.org/
Proprietära binärer är proprietär mjukvara och inte open source.

Det finns flera licenser skapade av EU för olika ändamål.
Men nu börjar vi visst drifta från ämnet :-)
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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:00:15PM +0100, Tomas Gustavsson wrote:
> 
> On 01/31/2014 01:20 PM, Tommy Nevtelen wrote:
> >On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 08:47:41AM +0100, Janne Johansson wrote:
> >>On 01/30/2014 10:55 PM, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
> >>>appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
> >>>to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
> >>>information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
> >>>auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
> >>>strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
> >>
> >>I'd say this is an opinion and not a fact.
> >>
> >>>privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
> >>>strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.
> >>
> >>I don't see people having a hard time auditing OpenSSL due to the
> >>license, and that isn't GPLv3.
> >>
> >
> >What I think he means is that with Open Source licenses you can make
> >propritary producs that are changed in a way that differs from public
> >versions of openssl. If our goal is to make the EU run code that is auditable
> >then we need to have a license that guarantees this. But that could ofcourse
> >be solved with some law or regulation which would provide a safeguard
> >against propritary binaries. But why not use a license that guarantees this
> >from the beginning?
> 
> 
> I'd say there are multiple errors in this statement.
> - Open source is widely consider the best guardian for information
> security (as you all probably know). It is _very_ appropriate.
> - GPLv3 is an open source license.

You're making Mr.Stallman cry by saying that! GPL-licenses are are not open
source licenses but Free Software licenses.

> Författaren verkar lite förvirrad när det gäller open source och de
> olika licenser som faller under begreppet (där GPL i dess olika
> versioner är några av dem)
> http://opensource.org/
> Proprietära binärer är proprietär mjukvara och inte open source.

Nej, alltså det författaren menade(jag) var att openssl som är
BSD-licensierat inte garanterar att du får en binär du har källkoden till.
Det är upp till den som släpper binären att också släppa källkoden och
eventuella ändringar. Men om det händer beror på om personen vill eller
inte. Medan GPL kräver det. För att vara säker på att man får källkoden till
alla släppta binärer kan ju EU avtala eller stifta nån lag som kräver att
det måste släppas. Det är nog lätt att hävda att man använder "Open Source"
och sen bara släppa vissa delar av källkoden.. Se på alla produkter som har
en community-edition med basic funktioner och sen en häftigare variant med
stängda moduler och patchar, typ Enterprise edition. Självfallet går dom
under Open Source-flaggan fast det är proprietär mjukvara. Lite sneaky
sådär.

> Det finns flera licenser skapade av EU för olika ändamål.

Dom har jag ingen koll på tyvärr.

> Men nu börjar vi visst drifta från ämnet :-)

Håller med!

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On 01/31/2014 03:20 PM, Tommy Nevtelen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 02:00:15PM +0100, Tomas Gustavsson wrote:
>>
>> On 01/31/2014 01:20 PM, Tommy Nevtelen wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 08:47:41AM +0100, Janne Johansson wrote:
>>>> On 01/30/2014 10:55 PM, Jeremiah C. Foster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Öppen källkod", translated to English as "Open Source code", is not
>>>>> appropriate when it comes to information security. Information needs
>>>>> to be kept and transmitted in systems with the ability to encrypt
>>>>> information using strong encryption. Strong encryption needs to be
>>>>> auditable. Auditable code needs to be shared under a license that has
>>>>> strong copyleft, a Free Software license. This is why tools like Gnu
>>>>
>>>> I'd say this is an opinion and not a fact.
>>>>
>>>>> privacy guard are GPL v3, to ensure that anyone can audit and implement
>>>>> strong encryption. Open Source does not provide the same guarantees.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see people having a hard time auditing OpenSSL due to the
>>>> license, and that isn't GPLv3.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I think he means is that with Open Source licenses you can make
>>> propritary producs that are changed in a way that differs from public
>>> versions of openssl. If our goal is to make the EU run code that is auditable
>>> then we need to have a license that guarantees this. But that could ofcourse
>>> be solved with some law or regulation which would provide a safeguard
>>> against propritary binaries. But why not use a license that guarantees this
>> >from the beginning?
>>
>>
>> I'd say there are multiple errors in this statement.
>> - Open source is widely consider the best guardian for information
>> security (as you all probably know). It is _very_ appropriate.
>> - GPLv3 is an open source license.
>
> You're making Mr.Stallman cry by saying that! GPL-licenses are are not open
> source licenses but Free Software licenses.

Iofs intressant att diskutera skillnaden mellan Free vs Open source 
software, men vi behöver inte uppfinna egna definitioner. Det finns mer 
eller mindre officiella definitioner som räcker gott.

I princip räcker det med att läsa detta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition

>
>> Författaren verkar lite förvirrad när det gäller open source och de
>> olika licenser som faller under begreppet (där GPL i dess olika
>> versioner är några av dem)
>> http://opensource.org/
>> Proprietära binärer är proprietär mjukvara och inte open source.
>
> Nej, alltså det författaren menade(jag) var att openssl som är
> BSD-licensierat inte garanterar att du får en binär du har källkoden till.
> Det är upp till den som släpper binären att också släppa källkoden och
> eventuella ändringar. Men om det händer beror på om personen vill eller
> inte. Medan GPL kräver det. För att vara säker på att man får källkoden till
> alla släppta binärer kan ju EU avtala eller stifta nån lag som kräver att
> det måste släppas. Det är nog lätt att hävda att man använder "Open Source"
> och sen bara släppa vissa delar av källkoden.. Se på alla produkter som har
> en community-edition med basic funktioner och sen en häftigare variant med
> stängda moduler och patchar, typ Enterprise edition. Självfallet går dom
> under Open Source-flaggan fast det är proprietär mjukvara. Lite sneaky
> sådär.

Jag köper tyvärr inte dina egna definitioner av open source, proprietär 
och free software. Det finns som sagt officiella definitioner. Man får 
tycka vad man vill om enterprise versioner, men open source är de 
(oftast), och upfyller alla krav på de 10 software freedoms som idag 
används av Open Source definition, och som är i princip samma som 
Stallman ursrungligen författade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition

"...nearly all free software is open source, and nearly all open source 
software is free..." (gnu.org)

Om EU skulle börja kräva användning av Open Source, innebär det att 
källkoden finns tillgänglig för användaren. Finns inte källkoden 
tillgänglig, är det inte på en source (see igen Free Software 
Definition). Man behöver inte kräva en specifik licens för det. Det 
finns som sagt många licenser med liknande villkor.

>> Det finns flera licenser skapade av EU för olika ändamål.
>
> Dom har jag ingen koll på tyvärr.

Bara plugga på :-)
http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical

>
>> Men nu börjar vi visst drifta från ämnet :-)
>
> Håller med!
>
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