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Hej!

Tack alla som kom och lyssnade på Tor förra veckan! Jag var lite ledsen
att jag inte kunde stanna på eftersnacket. Det var flera frågor som inte
fick ett uttömmande svar tyckte jag. Försöker komma nästa gång. Vi kan
naturligtvis ta fler frågor här på listan för den som vill det.

Slajds finns här:
https://svn.torproject.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/Tor/projects/presentations/2012-01-25-FOSS-STHLM-Tor.pdf

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Cudos till alla som "lägger upp" sina slajds på maillistan - riktigt
bra initiativ.

Bra presentation av Tor också, iaf för mig som inte visste mer än att
det var en anonymitetstjänst.

// A

2012/2/1 Linus Nordberg <linus@nordberg.se>:
> Hej!
>
> Tack alla som kom och lyssnade på Tor förra veckan! Jag var lite ledsen
> att jag inte kunde stanna på eftersnacket. Det var flera frågor som inte
> fick ett uttömmande svar tyckte jag. Försöker komma nästa gång. Vi kan
> naturligtvis ta fler frågor här på listan för den som vill det.
>
> Slajds finns här:
> https://svn.torproject.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/Tor/projects/presentations/2012-01-25-FOSS-STHLM-Tor.pdf
>
> --
> Linus
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> Tack alla som kom och lyssnade på Tor förra veckan!
... 
> Slajds finns här:
> https://svn.torproject.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/Tor/projects/presentations/2012-01-25-FOSS-STHLM-Tor.pdf

Om det var fler än jag som hade problem att få ner filerna via ViewVC så hjälper följande driektlänkar:
https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/presentations/2012-01-25-FOSS-STHLM-Tor.pdf
https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/presentations/2012-01-25-FOSS-STHLM-Tor.odp

Hans-Emil

PS. Verkar som att raw-download är avstängt by default i ViewVC......... *suck* DS.

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Efter det lyckade labbet om IPv6 address management häromdagen i Stockholm bjuder vi till nästa labb i vår serie praktiska övningar med IPv6.

Sven Storgärds leder ett labb om IPv6 och routing på Upsys i Uppsala - ta med dig egen router eller dator och var med och upptäck IPv6!

http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/02/labb-routing/

Begränsat antal platser, så anmäl dig fort!

Hälsningar
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Hej,

Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn =
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Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?

Vilka svenska f=F6retag sysslar med detta?

Vad g=F6r man f=F6r grymma grejer med Haskell?

Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)

Ni beh=F6ver ju inte ge er ut f=F6r att googla p=E5 det, utan svara med det=
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</div><div>Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?</div><div><br></div><div>Vilka=
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<div><br></div><div>Vad g=F6r man f=F6r grymma grejer med Haskell?</div><di=
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On Feb 7, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Björn Göransson wrote:

> Hej,
> 
> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
> 
> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?

Det är jag övertygad om.

> Vilka svenska företag sysslar med detta?

scrive.com är en stor Haskell-shop.

> Vad gör man för grymma grejer med Haskell?
> 
> Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)

Tror att hela Scrive, inkl webb, är byggt i det.

> Ni behöver ju inte ge er ut för att googla på det, utan svara med det ni vet med er vettja.

Sagt och gjort. Själv tänkte jag lära mig Javascript ordentligt i år, då jag snubblade över denna:
http://codeyear.com/

Trevlig interaktiv kurs som byggs på under året.


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2012/2/7 Björn Göransson <bornemix@gmail.com>:
> Hej,
>
> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A
> Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:

Mycket bra val!


> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?

Det gör det säkert. I sverige känner jag till få dock.


> Vilka svenska företag sysslar med detta?

Chalmers och Göteborgs universitet men då är det ju i den akademiska världen.


> Vad gör man för grymma grejer med Haskell?

Allt såklart!

Och bättre, snyggare, snabbare och typsäkert än med imperativa språk!

    http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Applications_and_libraries#Haskell_applications_and_libraries

Kolla program i Hackage

    http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/hackage.html


> Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)

Så klart det går!

Hakyll för statiskt material

    http://jaspervdj.be/hakyll/

Lista över haskell för www

    http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Web


--
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2012/2/7 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson <bornemix@gmail.com>

> Hej,
>
> Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken Lear=
n
> You A Haskell <http://learnyouahaskell.com>. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:
>

bra initiativ!


> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>

ja. google har sagt att de vill ha folk som kan haskell i sina annonser.
inte f=F6r att du kommer koda haskell, utan f=F6r att det s=E4ger n=E5got o=
m dig
som person.

dessa =E4r v=E4lk=E4nda: http://corp.galois.com/systems-software
sen =E4r haskell & ocaml v=E4lsponsrade av finansf=F6retag som anv=E4nder d=
om
spr=E5ket mycket. dock mer ocaml f=E5r jag intryck av. haskell =E4r teoreti=
skt
b=E4ttre och klarar mer, men ocaml =E4r l=E4ttare att f=F6rst=E5


> Vilka svenska f=F6retag sysslar med detta?
>

passar den fr=E5gan. men jag har anv=E4nt en hel del tekniker fr=E5n haskel=
l i
mitt arbete - haskell =E4r inte bara lite ny syntax, det =E4r ett nytt s=E4=
tt att
t=E4nka (och leva?)

Vad g=F6r man f=F6r grymma grejer med Haskell?
>

ett axplock:
automatisk dynamisk programmering
ber=E4kningar via typsystemet. finns ett kul trick f=F6r att automatiskt
generera marshallers f=F6r tex RPC
embeddade programmeringsspr=E5k dvs du skapar ett nytt spr=E5k i spr=E5ket
omskrivning av koden via templates. template haskell ger fler m=F6jligheter
=E4n b=F6r utnyttjas
det g=E5r att implementera enkla threads via en enkel monad
o=E4ndligt stora datastrukturer via lathet ger dig helt nya angreppss=E4tt
det =E4r det ultimata spr=E5ket f=F6r att skriva kompilatorer & algebraiska=
 system
etc

typsystemet i haskell =E4r grymt. det brukar s=E4gas att lyckas du f=E5 dit=
t
program att kompilera, d=E5 fungerar det antagligen



> Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)
>

ja, men har inte gjort det sj=E4lv. bland annat
http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/
men tror det finns fler alternativ

/Johan

--=20
-----------------------------------------------------------
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/7 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bornemix@gmail.com">bornemix@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hej,<div><br></div><div>Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4=
ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken=A0<a href=3D"http://learnyouahaskell.com=
" target=3D"_blank">Learn You A Haskell</a>. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:</=
div></div>
</blockquote><div><br>bra initiativ!<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Finns det jobb inom Haskell i=
dag?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>ja. google har sagt att de vill ha folk som kan=
 haskell i sina annonser. inte f=F6r att du kommer koda haskell, utan f=F6r=
 att det s=E4ger n=E5got om dig som person.<br><br>dessa =E4r v=E4lk=E4nda:=
 <a href=3D"http://corp.galois.com/systems-software">http://corp.galois.com=
/systems-software</a><br>
sen =E4r haskell &amp; ocaml v=E4lsponsrade av finansf=F6retag som anv=E4nd=
er dom spr=E5ket mycket. dock mer ocaml f=E5r jag intryck av. haskell =E4r =
teoretiskt b=E4ttre och klarar mer, men ocaml =E4r l=E4ttare att f=F6rst=E5=
<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Vilka svenska f=F6retag sysslar med detta?</div></div=
></blockquote><div><br>passar den fr=E5gan. men jag har anv=E4nt en hel del=
 tekniker fr=E5n haskell i mitt arbete - haskell =E4r inte bara lite ny syn=
tax, det =E4r ett nytt s=E4tt att t=E4nka (och leva?)<br>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">
<div>Vad g=F6r man f=F6r grymma grejer med Haskell?</div></div></blockquote=
><div><br>ett axplock:<br>automatisk dynamisk programmering<br>ber=E4kninga=
r via typsystemet. finns ett kul trick f=F6r att automatiskt generera marsh=
allers f=F6r tex RPC<br>
embeddade programmeringsspr=E5k dvs du skapar ett nytt spr=E5k i spr=E5ket<=
br>omskrivning av koden via templates. template haskell ger fler m=F6jlighe=
ter =E4n b=F6r utnyttjas<br>det g=E5r att implementera enkla threads via en=
 enkel monad<br>
o=E4ndligt stora datastrukturer via lathet ger dig helt nya angreppss=E4tt<=
br>det =E4r det ultimata spr=E5ket f=F6r att skriva kompilatorer &amp; alge=
braiska system<br>etc<br><br>typsystemet i haskell =E4r grymt. det brukar s=
=E4gas att lyckas du f=E5 ditt program att kompilera, d=E5 fungerar det ant=
agligen<br>
<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)</=
div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>ja, men har inte gjort det sj=E4lv. bland annat=
<br><a href=3D"http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/">http:=
//www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/</a><br>men tror det finns =
fler alternativ<br clear=3D"all">
</div></div><br>/Johan<br><br>-- <br>--------------------------------------=
---------------------<br>Johan Henriksson<br>PhD student, Karolinska Instit=
utet<br><a href=3D"http://mahogny.areta.org">http://mahogny.areta.org</a>=
=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.endrov.net">http://www.endrov.net</a><br>


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2012/2/7 Johan Henriksson <mahogny@areta.org>:
>
>
> 2012/2/7 Björn Göransson <bornemix@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hej,
>>
>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You
>> A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>
>
> bra initiativ!
>
>>
>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>
>
> ja. google har sagt att de vill ha folk som kan haskell i sina annonser.
> inte för att du kommer koda haskell, utan för att det säger något om dig som
> person.
>
> dessa är välkända: http://corp.galois.com/systems-software
> sen är haskell & ocaml välsponsrade av finansföretag som använder dom
> språket mycket. dock mer ocaml får jag intryck av. haskell är teoretiskt
> bättre och klarar mer, men ocaml är lättare att förstå
>
>>
>> Vilka svenska företag sysslar med detta?
>
>
> passar den frågan. men jag har använt en hel del tekniker från haskell i
> mitt arbete - haskell är inte bara lite ny syntax, det är ett nytt sätt att
> tänka (och leva?)
>
>> Vad gör man för grymma grejer med Haskell?
>
>
> ett axplock:
> automatisk dynamisk programmering
> beräkningar via typsystemet. finns ett kul trick för att automatiskt
> generera marshallers för tex RPC
> embeddade programmeringsspråk dvs du skapar ett nytt språk i språket
> omskrivning av koden via templates. template haskell ger fler möjligheter än
> bör utnyttjas
> det går att implementera enkla threads via en enkel monad
> oändligt stora datastrukturer via lathet ger dig helt nya angreppssätt
> det är det ultimata språket för att skriva kompilatorer & algebraiska system
> etc
>
> typsystemet i haskell är grymt. det brukar sägas att lyckas du få ditt
> program att kompilera, då fungerar det antagligen
>
>
>>
>> Kan man syssla med webbprogrammering i Haskell? (kanske naivt!)
>

Yesod är det jag skulle rekomendera då den inte använder lat evaluering för
clientströmmarna. Den har även många bra hjälpfunktioner som inte finns i
snap-framework. Börja här:

http://www.yesodweb.com/book/basics (Det är en en tryckt version på väg.)

Min egna statiska site är dock skriven med hakyll.

För de som är intresserade av att konsumera/transformera nätverksströmmar kan
det vara värt att titta på conduits, vilka är baserade på enumerators:

http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2011/12/conduits

Jag kan även påpeka att det finns #haskell.se på freenode.

>
> ja, men har inte gjort det själv. bland annat
> http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~thiemann/WASH/
> men tror det finns fler alternativ
>
> /Johan
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Glöm inte heller att kika på QuickCheck, fantastiskt testverktyg för
Haskell-kod.

Fantastiskt kul språk, för övrigt, och nyttigt att lära sig oavsett om
du aktivt kommer använda det eller inte, tycker jag.

Kan också rekommendera att googla efter videoföreläsningar av Simon
Peyton Jones, de är oftast mycket bra. Några finns länkade från
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Denna diskussion om teknik Xs användande eller inte är en hönan eller ägget
diskussion. Använder inga utvecklare tekniken kommer inga jobb skapas.. Eller
helt enkelt:

Börja använda Haskell vid varje lämpligt tillfälle! Vi är för få som gör det i
Sverige! :)

Jag vill även tillägga, jag blev som vanligt lite kort och asbergerig i mitt
förra mail, att jag skrivit webappar i både Django och Yesod men föredrar den
sistnämnda. Bland annat är det trevligt att kunna kompilera allt till en .exe
som kan brukas offline.

2012/2/7 Daniel Larsson <daniel.j.larsson@gmail.com>:
> Glöm inte heller att kika på QuickCheck, fantastiskt testverktyg för
> Haskell-kod.
>

I det sammanhanget, alltså kvalitetssäkring, skall man inte glömma criterion:

http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/criterion/latest/doc/html/Criterion-Main.html
http://bos.github.com/criterion/

Det fina med Haskell, och än bättre om man kodar Agda, är att det ofta är
enkelt att konvertera koden till en teoremprövare, så som Coq. Vilket alltså
är en stor fördel om man utvecklar kod som har krav på sig att vara formellt
verifierade:

http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/agda.php

Det är i vilket fall enkelt att anropa Haskell från Agda.


> Fantastiskt kul språk, för övrigt, och nyttigt att lära sig oavsett om
> du aktivt kommer använda det eller inte, tycker jag.
>
> Kan också rekommendera att googla efter videoföreläsningar av Simon
> Peyton Jones, de är oftast mycket bra. Några finns länkade från
> haskell.org
>
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Jag kom på en till sak! Om man kodar Haskell bör man regga sig på:

http://www.haskellers.com/

Jag brukar själv stalka den sidan efter folk i stockholmsområdet, blir vi
tillräckligt många kanske man kan starta något som liknar hoodlums(en koddojo
för haskellare i GB), eller bara gemensamt följa deras läxor.

http://www.meetup.com/hoodlums/


2012/2/7 Edward Tjörnhammar <e@cube2.se>:
> Denna diskussion om teknik Xs användande eller inte är en hönan eller ägget
> diskussion. Använder inga utvecklare tekniken kommer inga jobb skapas.. Eller
> helt enkelt:
>
> Börja använda Haskell vid varje lämpligt tillfälle! Vi är för få som gör det i
> Sverige! :)
>
> Jag vill även tillägga, jag blev som vanligt lite kort och asbergerig i mitt
> förra mail, att jag skrivit webappar i både Django och Yesod men föredrar den
> sistnämnda. Bland annat är det trevligt att kunna kompilera allt till en .exe
> som kan brukas offline.
>
> 2012/2/7 Daniel Larsson <daniel.j.larsson@gmail.com>:
>> Glöm inte heller att kika på QuickCheck, fantastiskt testverktyg för
>> Haskell-kod.
>>
>
> I det sammanhanget, alltså kvalitetssäkring, skall man inte glömma criterion:
>
> http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/criterion/latest/doc/html/Criterion-Main.html
> http://bos.github.com/criterion/
>
> Det fina med Haskell, och än bättre om man kodar Agda, är att det ofta är
> enkelt att konvertera koden till en teoremprövare, så som Coq. Vilket alltså
> är en stor fördel om man utvecklar kod som har krav på sig att vara formellt
> verifierade:
>
> http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/agda.php
>
> Det är i vilket fall enkelt att anropa Haskell från Agda.
>
>
>> Fantastiskt kul språk, för övrigt, och nyttigt att lära sig oavsett om
>> du aktivt kommer använda det eller inte, tycker jag.
>>
>> Kan också rekommendera att googla efter videoföreläsningar av Simon
>> Peyton Jones, de är oftast mycket bra. Några finns länkade från
>> haskell.org
>>
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2012/2/7 Edward Tjörnhammar <e@cube2.se>:
> Jag kom på en till sak! Om man kodar Haskell bör man regga sig på:
>
> http://www.haskellers.com/
>
> Jag brukar själv stalka den sidan efter folk i stockholmsområdet, blir vi
> tillräckligt många kanske man kan starta något som liknar hoodlums(en koddojo
> för haskellare i GB), eller bara gemensamt följa deras läxor.
>
> http://www.meetup.com/hoodlums/

Jag är på!

(I samma anda kan jag säga att vi kör genom Structure and Interpretation
of Computer Programs hemma, programspråk och LISP alltså.
Rekommenderas!)


--
Per

>
> 2012/2/7 Edward Tjörnhammar <e@cube2.se>:
>> Denna diskussion om teknik Xs användande eller inte är en hönan eller ägget
>> diskussion. Använder inga utvecklare tekniken kommer inga jobb skapas.. Eller
>> helt enkelt:
>>
>> Börja använda Haskell vid varje lämpligt tillfälle! Vi är för få som gör det i
>> Sverige! :)
>>
>> Jag vill även tillägga, jag blev som vanligt lite kort och asbergerig i mitt
>> förra mail, att jag skrivit webappar i både Django och Yesod men föredrar den
>> sistnämnda. Bland annat är det trevligt att kunna kompilera allt till en .exe
>> som kan brukas offline.
>>
>> 2012/2/7 Daniel Larsson <daniel.j.larsson@gmail.com>:
>>> Glöm inte heller att kika på QuickCheck, fantastiskt testverktyg för
>>> Haskell-kod.
>>>
>>
>> I det sammanhanget, alltså kvalitetssäkring, skall man inte glömma criterion:
>>
>> http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/criterion/latest/doc/html/Criterion-Main.html
>> http://bos.github.com/criterion/
>>
>> Det fina med Haskell, och än bättre om man kodar Agda, är att det ofta är
>> enkelt att konvertera koden till en teoremprövare, så som Coq. Vilket alltså
>> är en stor fördel om man utvecklar kod som har krav på sig att vara formellt
>> verifierade:
>>
>> http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/agda.php
>>
>> Det är i vilket fall enkelt att anropa Haskell från Agda.
>>
>>
>>> Fantastiskt kul språk, för övrigt, och nyttigt att lära sig oavsett om
>>> du aktivt kommer använda det eller inte, tycker jag.
>>>
>>> Kan också rekommendera att googla efter videoföreläsningar av Simon
>>> Peyton Jones, de är oftast mycket bra. Några finns länkade från
>>> haskell.org
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> +46703784224 | http://edwtjo.me
>
>
>
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On 02/07/2012 08:55 PM, Per Andersson wrote:
> 2012/2/7 Edward Tjörnhammar<e@cube2.se>:
>> Jag kom på en till sak! Om man kodar Haskell bör man regga sig på:
>>
>> http://www.haskellers.com/
>>
>> Jag brukar själv stalka den sidan efter folk i stockholmsområdet, blir vi
>> tillräckligt många kanske man kan starta något som liknar hoodlums(en koddojo
>> för haskellare i GB), eller bara gemensamt följa deras läxor.
>>
>> http://www.meetup.com/hoodlums/
>
> Jag är på!
>
> (I samma anda kan jag säga att vi kör genom Structure and Interpretation
> of Computer Programs hemma, programspråk och LISP alltså.
> Rekommenderas!)

Otroligt bra kurs, instämmer. Finns ju numera online med video-lektioner 
och allt. På KTH ca 1991 hade vi ju den som första programmeringskurs på 
D-linjen, antagligen sämre nu? :)

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2012/2/7 Göran Krampe <goran@krampe.se>:
> On 02/07/2012 08:55 PM, Per Andersson wrote:
>> (I samma anda kan jag säga att vi kör genom Structure and Interpretation
>> of Computer Programs hemma, programspråk och LISP alltså.
>> Rekommenderas!)
>
>
> Otroligt bra kurs, instämmer. Finns ju numera online med video-lektioner och
> allt. På KTH ca 1991 hade vi ju den som första programmeringskurs på
> D-linjen, antagligen sämre nu? :)

När jag läste programspråk på Chalmers gick det att välja på att skriva en tolk
för ett avskalat C++ i antingen Haskell, Java eller C.

Haskell var så otroligt bra för det, jag fick en uppenbarelse och
levlade flera nivåer
i min programmering.

De som använde Java behövde skriva tonvis med kod för att tolka de abstrakta
syntaxträden (och använda Observer-pattern och massa boilerplate) när vi som
använde Haskell bara kunde patternmatcha direkt på vår datastruktur. Win!


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On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:

> Hej,
> 
> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
> 
> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?

If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any Haskell jobs. 

I seriously doubt there is any gainful employment in Haskell outside of research and the occasional startup. This likely strikes people who know Haskell as stupid since Haskell is likely superior in a variety of ways to "imperative" or "object oriented" programming languages. Making money from programming computers is not purely a technical discipline however which means that technical considerations are, for better or worse, not the only criteria for use. If it were, we'd all be using Lisp! :-)

Regards,

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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
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>
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>
>> Hej,
>>
>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>
>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>
> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any Haskell jobs.
>
> I seriously doubt there is any gainful employment in Haskell outside of research and the occasional startup. This likely strikes people who know Haskell as stupid since Haskell is likely superior in a variety of ways to "imperative" or "object oriented" programming languages. Making money from programming computers is not purely a technical discipline however which means that technical considerations are, for better or worse, not the only criteria for use. If it were, we'd all be using Lisp! :-)
>

I would argue that Haskell is a LISP(dynamic/static typing aside), it
is just a matter
of transforming the AST to use S-expressions:

http://chrisdone.com/posts/2010-11-25-lisk-lisp-haskell.html

I personally find the Haskell syntax easier to follow.

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> Jeremiah
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
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> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>
>> Hej,
>>
>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>
>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>
> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any Haskell jobs.

If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
language, namely Erlang.

Functional programming is getting bigger in Sweden. Across the
Atlantic swimming pool it is huge.


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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>>
>>> Hej,
>>>
>>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>>
>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>
>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any Haskell jobs.
>
> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
> language, namely Erlang.

Hmm, interessant jag hade fått för mig att Ericsson hade övergett erlang. En
kompis som jobbade på Ericsson R&D, och senare någon av deras
produktionsavdelningar, sade att de hade gått ut med att ingen nyproduktion
skulle ske i det utan J2EE/java istället. Iofs. kanske detta är en komplett
skröna...

Functional jobs[1] har jag kommit i kontakt med genom identi.ca, då var det
iofs. Klarna som ville han någon erlangprogrammerare :)

[1]: http://functionaljobs.com/

>
> Functional programming is getting bigger in Sweden. Across the
> Atlantic swimming pool it is huge.
>

För cirka ett år sedan skapade jag en lista för FP[2] i syfte att samla
intresserade svenskar och kanske koordinera träffar. Gå gärna med där ni som
är intresserade av detta.

[2]: http://groups.google.com/group/fp-se/about

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On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tjörnhammar wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
>> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hej,
>>>>
>>>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>>>
>>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>>
>>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any Haskell jobs.
>>
>> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
>> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
>> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
>> language, namely Erlang.
>
> Hmm, interessant jag hade fått för mig att Ericsson hade övergett erlang. En

Rent generellt så är mitt intryck att Erlang fått en "revival" genom den 
nya vågen av programvaror för "internet scale" dvs främst 
NoSQL-databaserna såsom CouchDB och Riak etc. Erlang är ju ett av få 
språk som är designade för att skapa extremt robusta system (ett antal 
saker som spelar tillsammans för det), skalbarhet på SMP-arkitektur i 
Beam är ju också rätt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag förstått det rätt.

En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang på Joe på Dyncon 2011 och byggde 
en grej han ville ha för att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak 
(http://www.squeaksource.com/JoesServer.html) - det var roligt att 
snacka med honom - social och kunnig!

Till sammanhanget hör att jag för ett antal år sedan "sågade" en artikel 
av Joe:

http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/

...jag pekade därefter ut ovanstående URL för Joe efter Dyncon och tja, 
"no hard feelings" :). Han höll med mig och sa att han skrev det i sin 
"anti OO fas" men att han numera sett "ljuset" och kommit fram till att 
Erlang är det enda OOPL :)

mvh Göran
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Aprop=E5 nosql och web scale, s=E5 l=E5t oss inte gl=F6mma /dev/null som =
=E4r den db
motorn som =E4r snabbast att skriva till. I mysql kallas den black hole
engine. Sk "write and forget":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db2F-DItXtZs

Hehe!
On Feb 9, 2012 7:06 PM, "G=F6ran Krampe" <goran@krampe.se> wrote:

> On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tj=F6rnhammar wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
>>> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hej,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken =
Learn
>>>>> You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:
>>>>>
>>>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom=
,
>>>> HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you =
they
>>>> don't have any Haskell jobs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
>>> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
>>> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
>>> language, namely Erlang.
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6vergett =
erlang.
>> En
>>
>
> Rent generellt s=E5 =E4r mitt intryck att Erlang f=E5tt en "revival" geno=
m den
> nya v=E5gen av programvaror f=F6r "internet scale" dvs fr=E4mst NoSQL-dat=
abaserna
> s=E5som CouchDB och Riak etc. Erlang =E4r ju ett av f=E5 spr=E5k som =E4r=
 designade
> f=F6r att skapa extremt robusta system (ett antal saker som spelar
> tillsammans f=F6r det), skalbarhet p=E5 SMP-arkitektur i Beam =E4r ju ock=
s=E5 r=E4tt
> bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag f=F6rst=E5tt det r=E4tt.
>
> En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang p=E5 Joe p=E5 Dyncon 2011 och byg=
gde
> en grej han ville ha f=F6r att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak (
> http://www.squeaksource.com/**JoesServer.html<http://www.squeaksource.com=
/JoesServer.html>)
> - det var roligt att snacka med honom - social och kunnig!
>
> Till sammanhanget h=F6r att jag f=F6r ett antal =E5r sedan "s=E5gade" en =
artikel
> av Joe:
>
> http://goran.krampe.se/2009/**06/26/joe-is-wrong/<http://goran.krampe.se/=
2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/>
>
> ...jag pekade d=E4refter ut ovanst=E5ende URL f=F6r Joe efter Dyncon och =
tja,
> "no hard feelings" :). Han h=F6ll med mig och sa att han skrev det i sin
> "anti OO fas" men att han numera sett "ljuset" och kommit fram till att
> Erlang =E4r det enda OOPL :)
>
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<p>Aprop=E5 nosql och web scale, s=E5 l=E5t oss inte gl=F6mma /dev/null som=
 =E4r den db motorn som =E4r snabbast att skriva till. I mysql kallas den b=
lack hole engine. Sk &quot;write and forget&quot;:</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db2F-DItXtZs">http://www.yout=
ube.com/watch?v=3Db2F-DItXtZs</a></p>
<p>Hehe!</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 9, 2012 7:06 PM, &quot;G=F6ran Krampe&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:goran@krampe.se">goran@krampe.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tj=F6rnhammar wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avtobif=
f@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt; =A0wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com" target=3D"_blank">jeremi=
ah@jeremiahfoster.com</a>&gt; =A0wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hej,<br>
<br>
Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn =
You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:<br>
<br>
Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ=
, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don=
&#39;t have any Haskell jobs.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would<br>
say that they don&#39;t have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that<=
br>
they have shitloads of work for another functional programming<br>
language, namely Erlang.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6vergett erl=
ang. En<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Rent generellt s=E5 =E4r mitt intryck att Erlang f=E5tt en &quot;revival&qu=
ot; genom den nya v=E5gen av programvaror f=F6r &quot;internet scale&quot; =
dvs fr=E4mst NoSQL-databaserna s=E5som CouchDB och Riak etc. Erlang =E4r ju=
 ett av f=E5 spr=E5k som =E4r designade f=F6r att skapa extremt robusta sys=
tem (ett antal saker som spelar tillsammans f=F6r det), skalbarhet p=E5 SMP=
-arkitektur i Beam =E4r ju ocks=E5 r=E4tt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag =
f=F6rst=E5tt det r=E4tt.<br>

<br>
En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang p=E5 Joe p=E5 Dyncon 2011 och byggd=
e en grej han ville ha f=F6r att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak (<a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.squeaksource.com/JoesServer.html" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.squeaksource.com/<u></u>JoesServer.html</a>) - det var roligt att snac=
ka med honom - social och kunnig!<br>

<br>
Till sammanhanget h=F6r att jag f=F6r ett antal =E5r sedan &quot;s=E5gade&q=
uot; en artikel av Joe:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://goran.krampe.se/2009/<u></u>06/26/joe-is-wrong/</a><br>
<br>
...jag pekade d=E4refter ut ovanst=E5ende URL f=F6r Joe efter Dyncon och tj=
a, &quot;no hard feelings&quot; :). Han h=F6ll med mig och sa att han skrev=
 det i sin &quot;anti OO fas&quot; men att han numera sett &quot;ljuset&quo=
t; och kommit fram till att Erlang =E4r det enda OOPL :)<br>

<br>
mvh G=F6ran<br>
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Subject: Re: Haskell ... ?
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Det st=E4mmer. Eller snarare st=E4mde f=F6r 12+ =E5r sedan.
Nu har man ist=E4llet droppat java till f=F6rdel f=F6r just Erlang och C (o=
ch
C-liknande spr=E5k).
En ljusnande framtid vi g=E5r mot!

2012/2/9 Edward Tj=F6rnhammar <e@cube2.se>

> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
> > <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hej,
> >>>
> >>> Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken =
Learn
> You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:
> >>>
> >>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
> >>
> >> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom=
,
> HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you the=
y
> don't have any Haskell jobs.
> >
> > If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
> > say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
> > they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
> > language, namely Erlang.
>
> Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6vergett e=
rlang.
> En
> kompis som jobbade p=E5 Ericsson R&D, och senare n=E5gon av deras
> produktionsavdelningar, sade att de hade g=E5tt ut med att ingen nyproduk=
tion
> skulle ske i det utan J2EE/java ist=E4llet. Iofs. kanske detta =E4r en ko=
mplett
> skr=F6na...
>
> Functional jobs[1] har jag kommit i kontakt med genom identi.ca, d=E5 var
> det
> iofs. Klarna som ville han n=E5gon erlangprogrammerare :)
>
> [1]: http://functionaljobs.com/
>
> >
> > Functional programming is getting bigger in Sweden. Across the
> > Atlantic swimming pool it is huge.
> >
>
> F=F6r cirka ett =E5r sedan skapade jag en lista f=F6r FP[2] i syfte att s=
amla
> intresserade svenskar och kanske koordinera tr=E4ffar. G=E5 g=E4rna med d=
=E4r ni
> som
> =E4r intresserade av detta.
>
> [2]: http://groups.google.com/group/fp-se/about
>
> >
> > --
> > Per
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Det st=E4mmer. Eller snarare st=E4mde f=F6r 12+ =
=E5r sedan.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Nu har man ist=E4llet droppat j=
ava till f=F6rdel f=F6r just Erlang och C (och C-liknande spr=E5k).</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
En ljusnande framtid vi g=E5r mot!</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/9 Edward Tj=F6rnhammar <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e@cube2.se">e@cube2.se</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:avtobiff@gmail.com">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com">jeremiah@jeremiahfo=
ster.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hej,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online=
-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybe=
rcom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you=
 they don&#39;t have any Haskell jobs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would<br>
&gt; say that they don&#39;t have jobs with Haskell. They would say though =
that<br>
&gt; they have shitloads of work for another functional programming<br>
&gt; language, namely Erlang.<br>
<br>
</div>Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6verge=
tt erlang. En<br>
kompis som jobbade p=E5 Ericsson R&amp;D, och senare n=E5gon av deras<br>
produktionsavdelningar, sade att de hade g=E5tt ut med att ingen nyprodukti=
on<br>
skulle ske i det utan J2EE/java ist=E4llet. Iofs. kanske detta =E4r en komp=
lett<br>
skr=F6na...<br>
<br>
Functional jobs[1] har jag kommit i kontakt med genom <a href=3D"http://ide=
nti.ca" target=3D"_blank">identi.ca</a>, d=E5 var det<br>
iofs. Klarna som ville han n=E5gon erlangprogrammerare :)<br>
<br>
[1]: <a href=3D"http://functionaljobs.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://functi=
onaljobs.com/</a><br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Functional programming is getting bigger in Sweden. Across the<br>
&gt; Atlantic swimming pool it is huge.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>F=F6r cirka ett =E5r sedan skapade jag en lista f=F6r FP[2] i syfte a=
tt samla<br>
intresserade svenskar och kanske koordinera tr=E4ffar. G=E5 g=E4rna med d=
=E4r ni som<br>
=E4r intresserade av detta.<br>
<br>
[2]: <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/fp-se/about" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://groups.google.com/group/fp-se/about</a><br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Per<br>
&gt;<br>
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Göran Krampe skrev 2012-02-09 19.06:
> On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tjörnhammar wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
>>> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hej,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>>>>
>>>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>>>
>>>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don't have any
>>>> Haskell jobs.
>>>
>>> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
>>> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
>>> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
>>> language, namely Erlang.
>>
>> Hmm, interessant jag hade fått för mig att Ericsson hade övergett erlang. En
>
> Rent generellt så är mitt intryck att Erlang fått en "revival" genom den nya vågen av programvaror för "internet scale" dvs främst NoSQL-databaserna såsom CouchDB och Riak
> etc. Erlang är ju ett av få språk som är designade för att skapa extremt robusta system (ett antal saker som spelar tillsammans för det), skalbarhet på SMP-arkitektur i
> Beam är ju också rätt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag förstått det rätt.
>
> En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang på Joe på Dyncon 2011 och byggde en grej han ville ha för att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak
> (http://www.squeaksource.com/JoesServer.html) - det var roligt att snacka med honom - social och kunnig!
>
> Till sammanhanget hör att jag för ett antal år sedan "sågade" en artikel av Joe:
>
> http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/
>
> ...jag pekade därefter ut ovanstående URL för Joe efter Dyncon och tja, "no hard feelings" :). Han höll med mig och sa att han skrev det i sin "anti OO fas" men att han
> numera sett "ljuset" och kommit fram till att Erlang är det enda OOPL :)

Det är lustigt hur historien vänder. Både jag och Göran jobbade på ett företag som hette (Enator) Functional
Systems ett tag. Vi var helt inriktade på objektorientering när jag kom dit, men namnet kom sig av att
grundarna hade för avsikt att syssla med funktionell programmering men ändrade sig efter att ha sett ljuset.

Funktionell och objektorienterad programmering är båda "så rätt", men samtidigt så olika så utmaningen är
ju att hitta ett sätt att kunna får fördelerna av båda utan att behöva flera och oftast inkompatibla språk.
Har alla glömt LISP? Det  var i LISP jag fick blodad tand för objektorienterad programmering, men LISP är ju
mera känt som ett funktionellt språk.

-- robin
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Ja och en av grundarna skapade ju sedermera Objective Systems (senare
Objectory) som var helt inriktat p=E5 oo-l=F6sningar (mycket Smalltalk var =
det
i slutet av 80- och b=F6rjan av 90-talen...). (Se tex faksimilen
http://books.google.se/books?id=3D3BLGWnmQJ9IC&pg=3DPA86&lpg=3DPA86&dq=3D%2=
8Enator%29+Functional+Systems&source=3Dbl&ots=3D5shKboF0mw&sig=3D_uEdF_wsb9=
SZows5N0yZLMJ9f2M&hl=3Dsv&sa=3DX&ei=3Db-E0T5vKIYLj4QS7k52jDw&sqi=3D2&ved=3D=
0CGIQ6AEwCA#v=3Donepage&q=3D%28Enator%29%20Functional%20Systems&f=3Dfalse
)

Personligen har jag alltid tyckt att Smalltalk, f=F6rutom att vara ett
v=E4ldigt rent oo-spr=E5k, ocks=E5 =E4r ett funktionellt spr=E5k i Lisps me=
ning d=E5
man ocks=E5 har motsvarigheten till lambdauttryck (idag ofta kallat
closures). Dessa "closures", i Smalltalk vanligen kallade block, f=F6rekomm=
er
v=E4ldigt flitigt i den normala Smalltalkkoden.
Fast i Smalltalk =E4r ju dessa uttryck, s=E5klart, instanser av (vanliga)
klasser...

Ofta d=E5 jag anv=E4nder Smalltalk brukar jag b=F6rja med att "prototypa" e=
n
ganska funktionell l=F6sning och vartefter jag satt mig in i dom=E4nen b=E4=
ttra
och b=F6rjar f=E5 grepp om hur jag vill implementera det hela r=F6ra mig mo=
t en
mer renodlad oo-l=F6sning (som jag personligen oftast f=F6redrar d=E5 den i=
 m=E5nga
fall blir l=E4ttare att f=F6rst=E5/l=E4sa (=E5tminstone f=F6r mig! ;-)), me=
r flexibel,
etc, etc). Sj=E4lvklart b=F6r man oavsett l=F6sning jobba testdrivet...
Kanske kan jag vid tillf=E4lle utveckla detta resonemang vidare men hinner
tyv=E4rr inte nu.

/Bj=F6rn

2012/2/10 Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg@dewire.com>

> G=F6ran Krampe skrev 2012-02-09 19.06:
>
>  On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tj=F6rnhammar wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
>>>> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hej,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken
>>>>>> Learn You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo,
>>>>> Cybercom, HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they wil=
l tell
>>>>> you they don't have any
>>>>> Haskell jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
>>>> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
>>>> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
>>>> language, namely Erlang.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6vergett
>>> erlang. En
>>>
>>
>> Rent generellt s=E5 =E4r mitt intryck att Erlang f=E5tt en "revival" gen=
om den
>> nya v=E5gen av programvaror f=F6r "internet scale" dvs fr=E4mst NoSQL-da=
tabaserna
>> s=E5som CouchDB och Riak
>> etc. Erlang =E4r ju ett av f=E5 spr=E5k som =E4r designade f=F6r att ska=
pa extremt
>> robusta system (ett antal saker som spelar tillsammans f=F6r det), skalb=
arhet
>> p=E5 SMP-arkitektur i
>> Beam =E4r ju ocks=E5 r=E4tt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag f=F6rst=E5t=
t det r=E4tt.
>>
>> En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang p=E5 Joe p=E5 Dyncon 2011 och by=
ggde
>> en grej han ville ha f=F6r att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak
>> (http://www.squeaksource.com/**JoesServer.html<http://www.squeaksource.c=
om/JoesServer.html>)
>> - det var roligt att snacka med honom - social och kunnig!
>>
>> Till sammanhanget h=F6r att jag f=F6r ett antal =E5r sedan "s=E5gade" en=
 artikel
>> av Joe:
>>
>> http://goran.krampe.se/2009/**06/26/joe-is-wrong/<http://goran.krampe.se=
/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/>
>>
>> ...jag pekade d=E4refter ut ovanst=E5ende URL f=F6r Joe efter Dyncon och=
 tja,
>> "no hard feelings" :). Han h=F6ll med mig och sa att han skrev det i sin
>> "anti OO fas" men att han
>> numera sett "ljuset" och kommit fram till att Erlang =E4r det enda OOPL =
:)
>>
>
> Det =E4r lustigt hur historien v=E4nder. B=E5de jag och G=F6ran jobbade p=
=E5 ett
> f=F6retag som hette (Enator) Functional
> Systems ett tag. Vi var helt inriktade p=E5 objektorientering n=E4r jag k=
om
> dit, men namnet kom sig av att
> grundarna hade f=F6r avsikt att syssla med funktionell programmering men
> =E4ndrade sig efter att ha sett ljuset.
>
> Funktionell och objektorienterad programmering =E4r b=E5da "s=E5 r=E4tt",=
 men
> samtidigt s=E5 olika s=E5 utmaningen =E4r
> ju att hitta ett s=E4tt att kunna f=E5r f=F6rdelerna av b=E5da utan att b=
eh=F6va
> flera och oftast inkompatibla spr=E5k.
> Har alla gl=F6mt LISP? Det  var i LISP jag fick blodad tand f=F6r
> objektorienterad programmering, men LISP =E4r ju
> mera k=E4nt som ett funktionellt spr=E5k.
>
> -- robin
>
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Ja och en av grundarna skapade ju sedermera Objective Systems (senare Objec=
tory) som var helt inriktat p=E5 oo-l=F6sningar (mycket Smalltalk var det i=
 slutet av 80- och b=F6rjan av 90-talen...). (Se tex faksimilen <a href=3D"=
http://books.google.se/books?id=3D3BLGWnmQJ9IC&amp;pg=3DPA86&amp;lpg=3DPA86=
&amp;dq=3D%28Enator%29+Functional+Systems&amp;source=3Dbl&amp;ots=3D5shKboF=
0mw&amp;sig=3D_uEdF_wsb9SZows5N0yZLMJ9f2M&amp;hl=3Dsv&amp;sa=3DX&amp;ei=3Db=
-E0T5vKIYLj4QS7k52jDw&amp;sqi=3D2&amp;ved=3D0CGIQ6AEwCA#v=3Donepage&amp;q=
=3D%28Enator%29%20Functional%20Systems&amp;f=3Dfalse">http://books.google.s=
e/books?id=3D3BLGWnmQJ9IC&amp;pg=3DPA86&amp;lpg=3DPA86&amp;dq=3D%28Enator%2=
9+Functional+Systems&amp;source=3Dbl&amp;ots=3D5shKboF0mw&amp;sig=3D_uEdF_w=
sb9SZows5N0yZLMJ9f2M&amp;hl=3Dsv&amp;sa=3DX&amp;ei=3Db-E0T5vKIYLj4QS7k52jDw=
&amp;sqi=3D2&amp;ved=3D0CGIQ6AEwCA#v=3Donepage&amp;q=3D%28Enator%29%20Funct=
ional%20Systems&amp;f=3Dfalse</a>)<br>
<br>Personligen har jag alltid tyckt att Smalltalk, f=F6rutom att vara ett =
v=E4ldigt rent oo-spr=E5k, ocks=E5 =E4r ett funktionellt spr=E5k i Lisps me=
ning d=E5 man ocks=E5 har motsvarigheten till lambdauttryck (idag ofta kall=
at closures). Dessa &quot;closures&quot;, i Smalltalk vanligen kallade bloc=
k, f=F6rekommer v=E4ldigt flitigt i den normala Smalltalkkoden.<br>
Fast i Smalltalk =E4r ju dessa uttryck, s=E5klart, instanser av (vanliga) k=
lasser...<br><br>Ofta d=E5 jag anv=E4nder Smalltalk brukar jag b=F6rja med =
att &quot;prototypa&quot; en ganska funktionell l=F6sning och vartefter jag=
 satt mig in i dom=E4nen b=E4ttra och b=F6rjar f=E5 grepp om hur jag vill i=
mplementera det hela r=F6ra mig mot en mer renodlad oo-l=F6sning (som jag p=
ersonligen oftast f=F6redrar d=E5 den i m=E5nga fall blir l=E4ttare att f=
=F6rst=E5/l=E4sa (=E5tminstone f=F6r mig! ;-)), mer flexibel, etc, etc). Sj=
=E4lvklart b=F6r man oavsett l=F6sning jobba testdrivet...<br>
Kanske kan jag vid tillf=E4lle utveckla detta resonemang vidare men hinner =
tyv=E4rr inte nu.<br><br>/Bj=F6rn<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/=
10 Robin Rosenberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robin.rosenberg@=
dewire.com">robin.rosenberg@dewire.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">G=F6ran Krampe skrev 2012-02-09 19.06:<div><=
div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tj=F6rnhammar wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avtobif=
f@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com" target=3D"_blank">jeremi=
ah@jeremiahfoster.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hej,<br>
<br>
Jag kollar nu p=E5 att kanske l=E4ra mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn =
You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har =E4r:<br>
<br>
Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom, HiQ=
, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they don=
&#39;t have any<br>
Haskell jobs.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would<br>
say that they don&#39;t have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that<=
br>
they have shitloads of work for another functional programming<br>
language, namely Erlang.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Hmm, interessant jag hade f=E5tt f=F6r mig att Ericsson hade =F6vergett erl=
ang. En<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Rent generellt s=E5 =E4r mitt intryck att Erlang f=E5tt en &quot;revival&qu=
ot; genom den nya v=E5gen av programvaror f=F6r &quot;internet scale&quot; =
dvs fr=E4mst NoSQL-databaserna s=E5som CouchDB och Riak<br>
etc. Erlang =E4r ju ett av f=E5 spr=E5k som =E4r designade f=F6r att skapa =
extremt robusta system (ett antal saker som spelar tillsammans f=F6r det), =
skalbarhet p=E5 SMP-arkitektur i<br>
Beam =E4r ju ocks=E5 r=E4tt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag f=F6rst=E5tt d=
et r=E4tt.<br>
<br>
En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang p=E5 Joe p=E5 Dyncon 2011 och byggd=
e en grej han ville ha f=F6r att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak<br>
(<a href=3D"http://www.squeaksource.com/JoesServer.html" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.squeaksource.com/<u></u>JoesServer.html</a>) - det var roligt at=
t snacka med honom - social och kunnig!<br>
<br>
Till sammanhanget h=F6r att jag f=F6r ett antal =E5r sedan &quot;s=E5gade&q=
uot; en artikel av Joe:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://goran.krampe.se/2009/<u></u>06/26/joe-is-wrong/</a><br>
<br>
...jag pekade d=E4refter ut ovanst=E5ende URL f=F6r Joe efter Dyncon och tj=
a, &quot;no hard feelings&quot; :). Han h=F6ll med mig och sa att han skrev=
 det i sin &quot;anti OO fas&quot; men att han<br>
numera sett &quot;ljuset&quot; och kommit fram till att Erlang =E4r det end=
a OOPL :)<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
Det =E4r lustigt hur historien v=E4nder. B=E5de jag och G=F6ran jobbade p=
=E5 ett f=F6retag som hette (Enator) Functional<br>
Systems ett tag. Vi var helt inriktade p=E5 objektorientering n=E4r jag kom=
 dit, men namnet kom sig av att<br>
grundarna hade f=F6r avsikt att syssla med funktionell programmering men =
=E4ndrade sig efter att ha sett ljuset.<br>
<br>
Funktionell och objektorienterad programmering =E4r b=E5da &quot;s=E5 r=E4t=
t&quot;, men samtidigt s=E5 olika s=E5 utmaningen =E4r<br>
ju att hitta ett s=E4tt att kunna f=E5r f=F6rdelerna av b=E5da utan att beh=
=F6va flera och oftast inkompatibla spr=E5k.<br>
Har alla gl=F6mt LISP? Det =A0var i LISP jag fick blodad tand f=F6r objekto=
rienterad programmering, men LISP =E4r ju<br>
mera k=E4nt som ett funktionellt spr=E5k.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=
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2012/2/10 Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg@dewire.com>:
> Göran Krampe skrev 2012-02-09 19.06:
>
>> On 02/09/2012 05:13 PM, Edward Tjörnhammar wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster
>>>> <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:29, Björn Göransson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hej,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jag kollar nu på att kanske lära mig Haskell, genom online-boken Learn
>>>>>> You A Haskell. Lite undringar jag har är:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finns det jobb inom Haskell idag?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you go to a company in Sweden today, like Ericsson, Volvo, Cybercom,
>>>>> HiQ, etc. and you tell them you program in Haskell they will tell you they
>>>>> don't have any
>>>>> Haskell jobs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you would go to Ericsson, Cybercom, and, maybe, HiQ they would
>>>> say that they don't have jobs with Haskell. They would say though that
>>>> they have shitloads of work for another functional programming
>>>> language, namely Erlang.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, interessant jag hade fått för mig att Ericsson hade övergett erlang.
>>> En
>>
>>
>> Rent generellt så är mitt intryck att Erlang fått en "revival" genom den
>> nya vågen av programvaror för "internet scale" dvs främst NoSQL-databaserna
>> såsom CouchDB och Riak
>> etc. Erlang är ju ett av få språk som är designade för att skapa extremt
>> robusta system (ett antal saker som spelar tillsammans för det), skalbarhet
>> på SMP-arkitektur i
>> Beam är ju också rätt bra, iaf efter ca 2006 ifall jag förstått det rätt.
>>
>> En rolig anekdot i sammanhanget, sprang på Joe på Dyncon 2011 och byggde
>> en grej han ville ha för att kunna koppla ihop Erlang med Squeak
>> (http://www.squeaksource.com/JoesServer.html) - det var roligt att snacka
>> med honom - social och kunnig!
>>
>> Till sammanhanget hör att jag för ett antal år sedan "sågade" en artikel
>> av Joe:
>>
>> http://goran.krampe.se/2009/06/26/joe-is-wrong/
>>
>> ...jag pekade därefter ut ovanstående URL för Joe efter Dyncon och tja,
>> "no hard feelings" :). Han höll med mig och sa att han skrev det i sin "anti
>> OO fas" men att han
>> numera sett "ljuset" och kommit fram till att Erlang är det enda OOPL :)
>
>
> Det är lustigt hur historien vänder. Både jag och Göran jobbade på ett
> företag som hette (Enator) Functional
> Systems ett tag. Vi var helt inriktade på objektorientering när jag kom dit,
> men namnet kom sig av att
> grundarna hade för avsikt att syssla med funktionell programmering men
> ändrade sig efter att ha sett ljuset.
>
> Funktionell och objektorienterad programmering är båda "så rätt", men
> samtidigt så olika så utmaningen är
> ju att hitta ett sätt att kunna får fördelerna av båda utan att behöva flera
> och oftast inkompatibla språk.
> Har alla glömt LISP? Det  var i LISP jag fick blodad tand för
> objektorienterad programmering, men LISP är ju
> mera känt som ett funktionellt språk.

Från den numera klassiska [RE: What's so cool about Scheme?]

  The venerable master Qc Na was walking with his student, Anton.  Hoping to
  prompt the master into a discussion, Anton said "Master, I have heard that
  objects are a very good thing - is this true?"  Qc Na looked pityingly at
  his student and replied, "Foolish pupil - objects are merely a poor man's
  closures."

  Chastised, Anton took his leave from his master and returned to his cell,
  intent on studying closures.  He carefully read the entire "Lambda: The
  Ultimate..." series of papers and its cousins, and implemented a small
  Scheme interpreter with a closure-based object system.  He learned much,
  and looked forward to informing his master of his progress.

  On his next walk with Qc Na, Anton attempted to impress his master by
  saying "Master, I have diligently studied the matter, and now understand
  that objects are truly a poor man's closures."  Qc Na responded by
  hitting Anton with his stick, saying "When will you learn? Closures are a poor
  man's object."  At that moment, Anton became enlightened.

Jag skall erkänna att jag själv aldrig gillat varken att snacka om "Objekt
Orienterad" eller "Funktionell" programmering. Det intressanta från
det vi uppfattar som "funktionell programmering" handlar mer om teorin bakom
olika typsystem. Funktionell programmering fungerar dock som ett hyfsat
samlingsnamn för språk som stöder både object closures(lambdas) och
funktionspekare. Referentiell transparens tycker jag eg. är ett
krav för FP men det har visat sig, både med IO monaden i Haskell och hur hela
Scala fungerar att det inte är ett krav.

[RE: What's so cool about Scheme?]:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg03277.html

>
> -- robin
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Haskell är dock väldigt strikt när det gäller sidoeffekter, vilket är
ett krav vid lat evaluering. Det är också något som underlättar
*väldigt* mycket för parallellisering av kod, och för att förstå kod
rent generellt. Kod med sidoeffekter i Haskell visar det i sin typ,
och kan inte blandas med rent funktionell kod (= utan sidoeffekter).

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Hej,

Nu =E4r mitt projekt "Gamework" redo f=F6r en liten demo:
http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/

Se spellogiken h=E4r: http://localhost/scripts/game.js

(Koden =E4r sl=E4ppt under GPL.)

-----

Tanken med detta framework =E4r att p=E5 ett semantiskt s=E4tt kunna progra=
mmera
spellogik i Javascript. Dock s=E5 borde framework:et kunna portas till andr=
a
spr=E5k ganska enkelt.

Ett spel best=E5r av instanser, som i sin tur (ibland) har en sprite som
renderas p=E5 sk=E4rmen.

En sprite laddas s=E5h=E4r:

game.sprites.add("square");

Och en instans med denna sprite skapas s=E5h=E4r:

create("square");

P=E5 s=E5 s=E4tt skapas en instans med namnet "square" och som har spriten =
som
heter samma sak. Du kan =E4ven =E4ndra namnet:

create("square").set("name", "'bullseye'");

Man h=E4mtar egenskaper fr=E5n instanserna p=E5 samma s=E4tt, och du kan =
=E4ven
inkludera utr=E4kningar:

take("square").get("height/2 + 1");

Man kan =E4ven ha klasser f=F6r ens instanser. D=E5 anv=E4nder man
.addClass("foo")och l=E4gger till de klasser man vill p=E5 de instanser
man vill, och anv=E4nder
sedan take(".foo") f=F6r att f=E5 tillbaka dem.

=D6ppnar man upp konsolen i sin webbl=E4sare s=E5 kan man leka med instanse=
r
live. Tex f=F6r mitt spelexempel: take(".pot").animate({x:500,y:300})

N=E5got fint med take("...") =E4r att man inte f=E5r n=E5gon null pointer e=
xception
om man tex exekverar animate, det spelar ingen roll om man f=E5r tillbaka 0=
,
1 eller 300 element.

Jag har just gjort ett exempel f=F6r hur man f=E5r instanser att "snappa" t=
ill
ett grid om 30px, se http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/snapping/ med
tillh=F6rande kod: http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/snapping/scripts/game.js

OBS, k=F6r med Chrome s=E5 vet ni att det fungerar ungef=E4r lika bra som n=
=E4r jag
testat...

--=20
Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hej,<div><br></div><div>Nu =E4r mitt projekt &quot;Gamewor=
k&quot; redo f=F6r en liten demo:=A0<a href=3D"http://gamework-sample.bedr.=
se/">http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Se spello=
giken h=E4r:=A0<a href=3D"http://localhost/scripts/game.js">http://localhos=
t/scripts/game.js</a></div>
<div><div><br></div><div>(Koden =E4r sl=E4ppt under GPL.)</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>-----</div><div><br></div><div>Tanken med detta framework =E4r att =
p=E5 ett semantiskt s=E4tt kunna programmera spellogik i Javascript. Dock s=
=E5 borde framework:et kunna portas till andra spr=E5k ganska enkelt.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ett spel best=E5r av instanser, som i sin tur (ibland) =
har en sprite som renderas p=E5 sk=E4rmen.</div><div><br></div><div>En spri=
te laddas s=E5h=E4r:</div><div><br></div><div><font face=3D"&#39;courier ne=
w&#39;, monospace">game.sprites.add(&quot;square&quot;);</font></div>
<div><br></div><div>Och en instans med denna sprite skapas s=E5h=E4r:</div>=
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospace">create(=
&quot;square&quot;);</font></div><div><br></div><div>P=E5 s=E5 s=E4tt skapa=
s en instans med namnet &quot;square&quot; och som har spriten som heter sa=
mma sak. Du kan =E4ven =E4ndra namnet:</div>
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospace">create(=
&quot;square&quot;).set(&quot;name&quot;, &quot;&#39;bullseye&#39;&quot;);
</font></div><div><br></div><div>Man h=E4mtar egenskaper fr=E5n instanserna=
 p=E5 samma s=E4tt, och du kan =E4ven inkludera utr=E4kningar:</div><div><b=
r></div><div><font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospace">take(&quot;squ=
are&quot;).get(&quot;height/2 + 1&quot;);</font></div>
<div><br></div><div>Man kan =E4ven ha klasser f=F6r ens instanser. D=E5 anv=
=E4nder man <font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospace">.addClass(&quot=
;foo&quot;)</font> och l=E4gger till de klasser man vill p=E5 de instanser =
man vill, och anv=E4nder sedan <font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospa=
ce">take(&quot;.foo&quot;)</font> f=F6r att f=E5 tillbaka dem.</div>
<div><br></div><div>=D6ppnar man upp konsolen i sin webbl=E4sare s=E5 kan m=
an leka med instanser live. Tex f=F6r mitt spelexempel:=A0<span style=3D"ba=
ckground-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Consolas,&#39;Lucida Console&#3=
9;,monospace;font-size:12px;white-space:pre-wrap">take(&quot;.pot&quot;).an=
imate({x:500,y:300})</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>N=E5got fint med <font face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, m=
onospace">take(&quot;...&quot;)</font> =E4r att man inte f=E5r n=E5gon null=
 pointer exception om man tex exekverar animate, det spelar ingen roll om m=
an f=E5r tillbaka 0, 1 eller 300 element.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jag har just gjort ett exempel f=F6r hur man f=E5r inst=
anser att &quot;snappa&quot; till ett grid om 30px, se=A0<a href=3D"http://=
gamework-sample.bedr.se/snapping/">http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/snapping/=
</a>=A0med tillh=F6rande kod:=A0<a href=3D"http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/s=
napping/scripts/game.js">http://gamework-sample.bedr.se/snapping/scripts/ga=
me.js</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>OBS, k=F6r med Chrome s=E5 vet ni att det fungerar unge=
f=E4r lika bra som n=E4r jag testat...</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Med v=E4n=
lig h=E4lsning,<br>Bj=F6rn A. G=F6ransson<br>
</div></div>

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Hej!
Vi har nu startat en IPv6-teknik-lista för diskussion om IPv6 på längden, bredden och möjligen tvären.

http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/02/ipv6-teknik/

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 13:40+0100, Olle E. Johansson (oej@edvina.net) wrote:
> Hej!
> Vi har nu startat en IPv6-teknik-lista för diskussion om IPv6 på längden, bredden och möjligen tvären.
> 
> http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/02/ipv6-teknik/

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Hejsan

inte direkt opensource men ni kan ju skriva ut koden på papper mha nedanstående, så kommer det FOSS till gagn..

Vi ska kasta ett gäng HP original-tonerkassetter (11A, passar Laserjet 2410, 2420, 2430) (20st+)

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Hej!

Jag gjorde en intervju med RMS för Fria Tidningen under FSCONS 2011.

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Stockholms stad första evenemang runt öppna data i staden. Jag fick info om detta från en av jurymedlemmarna i tävlingen:



"Den 13 mars kickar de igång ett event där man kan tävla med idéer, prototypkoncept och riktiga lösningar fram till 13 maj då några olika vinnare koras. Det är m a o lättare att delta lågintensivt i detta evenemang än t.ex. på ett 24-timmars hack (alla varianter behövs).

Det har tagit tid och de har lärt sig massor på vägen. Några av de oförutsedda effekterna redan:

- Kunskap om vad deras egna data kostar att få tillbaka från Lantmäteriet…
- Det kommer inom kort finnas fiber framdraget till gyllene salen i Stadshuset
- Flera personer från flera olika förvaltningar har tvingats gå igenom vilka data de har och undersöka vad de får göra med den."

För mera info:
http://www.openstockholmaward.se/


tänkte fler på denna listan kanske vore intresserade att deltaga.

/Anders

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Hej Per!

Det var en bra intervju. Vilka når den ut till? Är den med i
pappersutgåvan av Fria tidningen? Hur många prenumeranter har den?

Johan

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> Hej!
> 
> Jag gjorde en intervju med RMS för Fria Tidningen under FSCONS 2011.
> 
> Den här intervjun är seriös och försöker gå utanför RMS komfortzon
> och
> standardsvar.
> 
>     http://www.fria.nu/artikel/91882
> 
> 
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2012/2/29 Johan Svensson <foss-sthlm.js@crypt.se>:
> Hej Per!
>
> Det var en bra intervju.

Tack!


> Vilka når den ut till? Är den med i
> pappersutgåvan av Fria tidningen?

Den är publicerad i Fria Tidingens pappersutgåva och på deras hemsida.

Jag har även postat länkar till intervjun här på foss-sthlm och på
Serengeti: E-postlistan för fri programvara och solidarisk aktivism.

    [0] http://serengeti.friprogramvarusyndikatet.org/
    [1] https://lists.sac.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/serengeti

Målgruppen i Fria Tidningen är väl främst de som inte har en aning om
vad fri programvara är. Sedan försökte jag ställa lite annorlunda frågor
till RMS för att det ska intressera även oss som vet exakt vad fri
programvara är.

(Vet inte riktigt hur jag ska besvara "vilka den går ut till.")


> Hur många prenumeranter har den?

Upplagan är TS-kontrollerad och Tidningsstatistik säger 5200 exemplar
per dag om jag fattar det hela rätt.

    [2] http://ts.se/Mediefakta/Index.aspx?mc=000685


--
Per

> Johan
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:57:30 +0100, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hej!
>>
>> Jag gjorde en intervju med RMS för Fria Tidningen under FSCONS 2011.
>>
>> Den här intervjun är seriös och försöker gå utanför RMS komfortzon
>> och
>> standardsvar.
>>
>>     http://www.fria.nu/artikel/91882
>>
>>
>> --
>> Per
>>
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>
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