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Hej!

Jag vet inte riktigt hur många som är aktiva i denna mailinglista och jag
vet inte hur eller om nya medlemmar presenterar sig. Om jag gör
regelövertramp ber jag preemtivt om ursäkt. Hur som helst tänkte jag
skriva några rader om mig själv.

Johan Svensson heter jag och bor i Akalla. Har de senaste 12 åren i
möjligaste mån kört fria system, varav de senaste tio GNU/Linux. Har
aldrig gjort någon grej av det, men blir mer och mer sugen på att bli
aktiv, på ett eller annat sätt. En mjukstart får bli att gå med i denna
mailinglista. :) Till yrket är jag mjukvaruutvecklare, men min nuvarande
arbetsplats hör inte till ämnet. Således är jag endast hobbyist och
entusiast. 

På mina datorer kör jag Trisquel GNU/Linux, men ett av mina projekt är
att titta närmare på GNU/Hurd. Ett annat projekt är att sätta mig in
lite i Coreboot. Har just fått det att snurra på min ThinkPad T60p. Ett
tredje är att köra Replicant på min telefon, dvs ett helt fritt Android.
Jag har en Nexus S, på vilken man faktiskt kan köra helt fri firmware och
allt (utom bootloadern, tyvärr).

Hoppas som sagt att det är brukligt att presentera sig när man är ny
medlem.

God fortsättning på det nya året!

Johan

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Hej och välkommen!

2012/1/2 Johan Svensson <johan@crypt.se>:
> Hej!
>
> Jag vet inte riktigt hur många som är aktiva i denna mailinglista och jag
> vet inte hur eller om nya medlemmar presenterar sig. Om jag gör
> regelövertramp ber jag preemtivt om ursäkt. Hur som helst tänkte jag
> skriva några rader om mig själv.
>
> Johan Svensson heter jag och bor i Akalla. Har de senaste 12 åren i
> möjligaste mån kört fria system, varav de senaste tio GNU/Linux. Har
> aldrig gjort någon grej av det, men blir mer och mer sugen på att bli
> aktiv, på ett eller annat sätt. En mjukstart får bli att gå med i denna
> mailinglista. :) Till yrket är jag mjukvaruutvecklare, men min nuvarande
> arbetsplats hör inte till ämnet. Således är jag endast hobbyist och
> entusiast.
>
> På mina datorer kör jag Trisquel GNU/Linux, men ett av mina projekt är
> att titta närmare på GNU/Hurd. Ett annat projekt är att sätta mig in
> lite i Coreboot. Har just fått det att snurra på min ThinkPad T60p. Ett
> tredje är att köra Replicant på min telefon, dvs ett helt fritt Android.
> Jag har en Nexus S, på vilken man faktiskt kan köra helt fri firmware och
> allt (utom bootloadern, tyvärr).

Intressanta projekt! Har du fått GNU/Hurd att snurra?


> Hoppas som sagt att det är brukligt att presentera sig när man är ny
> medlem.

Det är nog inte så vanligt men det är ju väldigt trevligt!


--
Per

> God fortsättning på det nya året!
>
> Johan
>
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Hejsan!

Det är nu dags för årets första träff, och det är redan den 25:e januari som 
gäller i DSV-lokalen i Kista där vi varit flera gånger tidigare.

Eftersom det är snabba ryck så vill jag illa kvickt ha:

A) en sponsor som kan ställa upp och betala lite mackor och sånt

B) förslag på era foss-relaterade föredrag som känns aktuella, intressanta,
    djuplodande eller så. Posta dem här eller till mig privat.

    Exempel på ämnen jag kan tänka mig få serverad är: IPv6 inom foss, säkerhet
    och säkerhetsprogramvara inom foss och foss inom mobila system.

  När:  onsdag 25:e januari klockan 16:00 och framåt
  Var:  DSV i Kista
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2012/1/2 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>

> Hejsan!
>
> Det =E4r nu dags f=F6r =E5rets f=F6rsta tr=E4ff, och det =E4r redan den 2=
5:e januari
> som g=E4ller i DSV-lokalen i Kista d=E4r vi varit flera g=E5nger tidigare=
.
>
>
* KLIPP*


>  URL:  http://www.foss-sthlm.se/**jan2012.html<http://www.foss-sthlm.se/j=
an2012.html>
>
>
Lite jobbigt att anm=E4la sig d=E5 man ska g=F6ra det innan maj, 2011 d=E5 =
f=E5r man
f=F6rmoda efterssom m=F6tet =E4r januari 2012 ? :)

citat "Vi tar emot anm=E4lningar fram till och med fredagen den 20:e maj."

:)

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/2 Daniel Stenberg <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@haxx.se">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;</span><br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hejsan!<br>
<br>
Det =E4r nu dags f=F6r =E5rets f=F6rsta tr=E4ff, och det =E4r redan den 25:=
e januari som g=E4ller i DSV-lokalen i Kista d=E4r vi varit flera g=E5nger =
tidigare.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>* KLIPP*<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=A0URL: =A0<a href=3D"http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.foss-sthlm.se/<u></u>jan2012.html</a><br><font color=3D"#888=
888">
<br></font></blockquote><div><br>Lite jobbigt att anm=E4la sig d=E5 man ska=
 g=F6ra det innan maj, 2011 d=E5 f=E5r man f=F6rmoda efterssom m=F6tet =E4r=
 januari 2012 ? :)<br><br>citat &quot;Vi tar emot anm=E4lningar fram till o=
ch med fredagen den 20:e maj.&quot;<br>
<br>:)<br><br></div></div>

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Ganska omst=E4ndigt (och gammaldags) med manuell mail-anm=E4lan tycker jag.
Vore det inte l=E4ttare att g=F6ra en (open source) webapp med ett formul=
=E4r?

2012/1/2 Glenn <foss@repulsiv.se>

>
>
> 2012/1/2 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>
>
>> Hejsan!
>>
>> Det =E4r nu dags f=F6r =E5rets f=F6rsta tr=E4ff, och det =E4r redan den =
25:e januari
>> som g=E4ller i DSV-lokalen i Kista d=E4r vi varit flera g=E5nger tidigar=
e.
>>
>>
> * KLIPP*
>
>
>>  URL:  http://www.foss-sthlm.se/**jan2012.html<http://www.foss-sthlm.se/=
jan2012.html>
>>
>>
> Lite jobbigt att anm=E4la sig d=E5 man ska g=F6ra det innan maj, 2011 d=
=E5 f=E5r man
> f=F6rmoda efterssom m=F6tet =E4r januari 2012 ? :)
>
> citat "Vi tar emot anm=E4lningar fram till och med fredagen den 20:e maj.=
"
>
> :)
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Ganska omst=E4ndigt (och gammaldags) med manuell mail-anm=E4lan tycker jag.=
 Vore det inte l=E4ttare att g=F6ra en (open source) webapp med ett formul=
=E4r?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/2 Glenn <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:foss@repulsiv.se">foss@repulsiv.se</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div clas=
s=3D"im">2012/1/2 Daniel Stenberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
aniel@haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hejsan!<br>
<br>
Det =E4r nu dags f=F6r =E5rets f=F6rsta tr=E4ff, och det =E4r redan den 25:=
e januari som g=E4ller i DSV-lokalen i Kista d=E4r vi varit flera g=E5nger =
tidigare.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div></div><div>* KLIPP*<br>=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
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<br></font></blockquote><div><br>Lite jobbigt att anm=E4la sig d=E5 man ska=
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Bra ide, och fritt fram för den som vill skulle jag tro (gissar Daniel
gjorde det som för stunden var enklast och innebar minst job).

// A

2012/1/2 1337 <1337decker@gmail.com>:
> Ganska omständigt (och gammaldags) med manuell mail-anmälan tycker jag. Vore
> det inte lättare att göra en (open source) webapp med ett formulär?
>
> 2012/1/2 Glenn <foss@repulsiv.se>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/1/2 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>
>>>
>>> Hejsan!
>>>
>>> Det är nu dags för årets första träff, och det är redan den 25:e januari
>>> som gäller i DSV-lokalen i Kista där vi varit flera gånger tidigare.
>>>
>>
>> * KLIPP*
>>
>>>
>>>  URL:  http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>>
>>
>> Lite jobbigt att anmäla sig då man ska göra det innan maj, 2011 då får man
>> förmoda efterssom mötet är januari 2012 ? :)
>>
>> citat "Vi tar emot anmälningar fram till och med fredagen den 20:e maj."
>>
>> :)
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, Andreas Hedström wrote:

> Bra ide, och fritt fram för den som vill skulle jag tro (gissar Daniel 
> gjorde det som för stunden var enklast och innebar minst job).

Precis så är det. Om någon gör en fin tjänst för detta så säg till så provar 
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Tja Daniel,

Jag skulle kunna prata om common criteriacertifiering (säkerhetscertning) av opensourcemjukvara. Eftersom vi ju håller på och avsluter detta för ejbca tycker jag själv att det är intressant :-)

Hur mycket ligger sponsringen på?


Mvh,
Tomas


Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se> wrote:

>Hejsan!
>
>Det är nu dags för årets första träff, och det är redan den 25:e
>januari som 
>gäller i DSV-lokalen i Kista där vi varit flera gånger tidigare.
>
>Eftersom det är snabba ryck så vill jag illa kvickt ha:
>
>A) en sponsor som kan ställa upp och betala lite mackor och sånt
>
>B) förslag på era foss-relaterade föredrag som känns aktuella,
>intressanta,
>    djuplodande eller så. Posta dem här eller till mig privat.
>
>Exempel på ämnen jag kan tänka mig få serverad är: IPv6 inom foss,
>säkerhet
>    och säkerhetsprogramvara inom foss och foss inom mobila system.
>
>  När:  onsdag 25:e januari klockan 16:00 och framåt
>  Var:  DSV i Kista
>  URL:  http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, tomas@primekey.se wrote:

> Jag skulle kunna prata om common criteriacertifiering (säkerhetscertning) av 
> opensourcemjukvara.

Tack! Vi börjar med att försöka samla in vad folk erbjuder att snacka om, och 
sedan jobbar vi fram en bra mix från det. Jag återkommer alltså.

> Hur mycket ligger sponsringen på?

Vi har tidigare haft macka+dricka och fika+bulle vilket hamnat på cirka 100 
SEK/skalle vilket alltså vid 100 pers närvaro blir cirka 10K. Sponsorer kan 
förstås välja själva hur de vill göra, och vi har tidigare också haft 
"delsponsorer" så att mer än ett företag är med och betalar på samma träff.

För sponsorer erbjuder vi att skylta på evenemanget, att bli omnämnd på sajten 
som sponsor och vi kommer tydligt att tacka och påpeka vem som är sponsorn 
under kvällen.

Utöver detta hänvisar jag till privata diskussioner och förhandlingar ifall 
man vill göra varianter.


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Den den 3 januari 2012 klockan 14:34 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>=
:

> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, tomas@primekey.se wrote:
>
> > Jag skulle kunna prata om common criteriacertifiering (s=C3=A4kerhetsce=
rtning) av
> > opensourcemjukvara.
>
> Tack! Vi b=C3=B6rjar med att f=C3=B6rs=C3=B6ka samla in vad folk erbjuder=
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> sedan jobbar vi fram en bra mix fr=C3=A5n det. Jag =C3=A5terkommer allts=
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>
> > Hur mycket ligger sponsringen p=C3=A5?
>
> Vi har tidigare haft macka+dricka och fika+bulle vilket hamnat p=C3=A5 ci=
rka 100
> SEK/skalle vilket allts=C3=A5 vid 100 pers n=C3=A4rvaro blir cirka 10K. S=
ponsorer kan
> f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5s v=C3=A4lja sj=C3=A4lva hur de vill g=C3=B6ra, och vi ha=
r tidigare ocks=C3=A5 haft
> "delsponsorer" s=C3=A5 att mer =C3=A4n ett f=C3=B6retag =C3=A4r med och b=
etalar p=C3=A5 samma tr=C3=A4ff.
>
> F=C3=B6r sponsorer erbjuder vi att skylta p=C3=A5 evenemanget, att bli om=
n=C3=A4mnd p=C3=A5 sajten
> som sponsor och vi kommer tydligt att tacka och p=C3=A5peka vem som =C3=
=A4r sponsorn
> under kv=C3=A4llen.
>
> Ut=C3=B6ver detta h=C3=A4nvisar jag till privata diskussioner och f=C3=B6=
rhandlingar ifall
> man vill g=C3=B6ra varianter.
>
>
> --
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0/ daniel.haxx.se-------------------
HALLOWEEN :-) http://youtu.be/Su4zZPgDzaE

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   <span>&#160;</span>
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   <span>Allt som r&#246;r kvinnor i open source &#228;r mycket intressant f&#246;r mig!</span>
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   <br/>
   Den den 3 januari 2012 klockan 14:34 skrev Daniel Stenberg &#60;daniel@haxx.se&#62;:
   <br/>
   <br/>
   &#62; On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, tomas@primekey.se wrote:
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; Jag skulle kunna prata om common criteriacertifiering (s&#228;kerhetscertning) av
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; opensourcemjukvara.
   <br/>
   &#62;
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   &#62; Tack! Vi b&#246;rjar med att f&#246;rs&#246;ka samla in vad folk erbjuder att snacka om, och
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   &#62; sedan jobbar vi fram en bra mix fr&#229;n det. Jag &#229;terkommer allts&#229;.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; Hur mycket ligger sponsringen p&#229;?
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Vi har tidigare haft macka+dricka och fika+bulle vilket hamnat p&#229; cirka 100
   <br/>
   &#62; SEK/skalle vilket allts&#229; vid 100 pers n&#228;rvaro blir cirka 10K. Sponsorer kan
   <br/>
   &#62; f&#246;rst&#229;s v&#228;lja sj&#228;lva hur de vill g&#246;ra, och vi har tidigare ocks&#229; haft
   <br/>
   &#62; &#34;delsponsorer&#34; s&#229; att mer &#228;n ett f&#246;retag &#228;r med och betalar p&#229; samma tr&#228;ff.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; F&#246;r sponsorer erbjuder vi att skylta p&#229; evenemanget, att bli omn&#228;mnd p&#229; sajten
   <br/>
   &#62; som sponsor och vi kommer tydligt att tacka och p&#229;peka vem som &#228;r sponsorn
   <br/>
   &#62; under kv&#228;llen.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Ut&#246;ver detta h&#228;nvisar jag till privata diskussioner och f&#246;rhandlingar ifall
   <br/>
   &#62; man vill g&#246;ra varianter.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62;
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   &#62; --
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   &#62;&#160; &#160;/ daniel.haxx.se
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   HALLOWEEN :-) http://youtu.be/Su4zZPgDzaE
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2012/1/3 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
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Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för mig! :-)

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>> Allt som rör kvinnor i open source är mycket intressant för mig!
> Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för mig! :-)

Bra läsning för dig i så fall:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html

Särskilt punkt 3.1 och 3.11.

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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Martin Vilcans <martin@librador.com> wrote:

> 2012/1/3 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
> > Allt som r=C3=B6r kvinnor i open source =C3=A4r mycket intressant f=C3=
=B6r mig!
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> Allt som r=C3=B6r kvinnor =C3=A4r mycket intressant f=C3=B6r mig! :-)
>
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Hej Martin!
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<div class=3D"im">&gt; Allt som r=C3=B6r kvinnor i open source =C3=A4r myck=
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Bra länk!

Den 3 januari 2012 16:02 skrev Hans-Emil Skogh <Hans-Emil.Skogh@tritech.se>:
>>> Allt som rör kvinnor i open source är mycket intressant för mig!
>> Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för mig! :-)
>
> Bra läsning för dig i så fall:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html
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> Särskilt punkt 3.1 och 3.11.
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:03:15PM +0100, Sima Baymani wrote:
>      Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för mig! :-)
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>    Hej Martin!
>    Jag förstår inte riktigt vad du menar? Har du några konkreta exempel?
>    Mvh Sima

Det är nog något väldigt subjektivt och svårt att förklara tror jag.

PS. ni citerar som krattor

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2012/1/3 Hans-Emil Skogh <Hans-Emil.Skogh@tritech.se>:
>>> Allt som rör kvinnor i open source är mycket intressant för mig!
>> Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för mig! :-)
>
> Bra läsning för dig i så fall:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html
>
> Särskilt punkt 3.1 och 3.11.

Jag hajade till över din referens till 3.1: "Don't tell sexist jokes".
Jag tolkade det som en pik. Jag rannsakade mig själv. Kunde min
kommentar uppfattas så? "Allt som rör kvinnor är mycket intressant för
mig." Är det sexistiskt? Kanske, tänkte jag, om man med sexism menar
att man gör åtskillnad på kön. Som icke bisexuell gör man ju det
automatiskt utan tänka på det. Man föredrar ett kön framför ett annat.

Jag slog upp sexism i Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism)
och såg att för något ska kallas sexism måste det även innehålla
*negativa* åsikter om ett kön. Så om något är jag sexistisk mot män.
Det är ju mer socialt accepterat, men jag vill ändå be om ursäkt om
någon, man eller kvinna, kände sig sårad på något sätt av det jag
skrev. Oavsett om det var sexistiskt eller inte så var det opassande.
Jag vet ju att det här är ett känsligt ämne.

Däremot har jag lite svårt att förstå 3.11: "Don't stare and point
when women arrive". Jag skulle tycka det var coolt om folk stirrade
och pekade när jag kom in i ett rum istället för att ignorera mig. Men
det är ju bara jag.

Martin

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tackar f=C3=B6r l=C3=A4nken, jag har l=C3=A4st det redan och tycker att den=
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> >> Allt som r=C3=B6r kvinnor i open source =C3=A4r mycket intressant f=C3=
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> Bra l=C3=A4sning f=C3=B6r dig i s=C3=A5 fall:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html
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> S=C3=A4rskilt punkt 3.1 och 3.11.
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 08:23:46PM +0100, Johan Henriksson wrote:
> det är något som framkommit i diskussioner med många kvinnor. nu ska jag
> vara sådär särartsfeministisk och säga att huruvida det uppfattas positivt
> är könsberoende; så ta det bara som ett allmänt bra råd. sen finns det

Är det verkligen könsberoende? Jag är säker det finns karlar och pojkar som inte gillar att bli utpekade .

> säkert undantag

.... utan att räknas som undantag.


> /Johan

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On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Pamela Fuentes wrote:

> jag fÃ¶rsÃ¶ker med hela hjÃ¤rtat att lobba sÃ¥ mera tjejer involverar sig i Open 
> Source

Jag vill *gÃ¤rna* se (mÃ¥nga) kvinnliga fÃ¶relÃ¤sare och deltagare den 25:e. Skaka 
fram era fÃ¶redrag och dra med er era kollegor!

Jag kan vÃ¤l pÃ¥peka att jag just nu har 4 fÃ¶reslagna fÃ¶redrag pÃ¥ min lista och 
_ingen_ av dessa Ã¤r kvinnor...

Jag vÃ¤lkomnar Ã¤ven fler fÃ¶redragsfÃ¶rslag hÃ¥llna av mÃ¤n fÃ¶rstÃ¥s.

FÃ¶reslÃ¥ gÃ¤rna nÃ¥gon annan ni vet finns i krokarna som kan intressanta saker ni 
vill hÃ¶ra!

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On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:24:31PM +0100, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Pamela Fuentes wrote:
> 
> >jag försöker med hela hjärtat att lobba så mera tjejer involverar sig i 
> >Open Source
> 
> Jag vill *gärna* se (många) kvinnliga föreläsare och deltagare den 25:e. 
> Skaka fram era föredrag och dra med er era kollegor!

Lite apropå jämnare fördelning så tyckte jag och mina kollegor att det
var nytt rekord med kvinnligt deltagande på ccc-kongressen [1] i mellandagarna.
Det är kul, kanske är det en positiv trend.

Ilja

[1] http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/index.en.html (alla presentationerna
finns på video)
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:00:37 +0100, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> 
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> Hej och välkommen!

Tackar!

> Intressanta projekt! Har du fått GNU/Hurd att snurra?

Ja, bitvis. Systemet bootar (eller gjorde i alla fall innan jag råkade
skriva sönder grub), men det är mycket att göra innan det är ett
användbart system. Porta drivrutinen för närverkskortet är nog första
steget. Få igång Xorg är nästa. :)

Johan

(Hoppas detta sorteras rätt, för jag har fått sno ihop det genom cut &
paste från arkivet, då jag tydligen inte reggat mig korrekt)

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2012/1/4 Johan Svensson <foss-sthlm.js@crypt.se>:
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:00:37 +0100, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
>> Intressanta projekt! Har du fått GNU/Hurd att snurra?
>
> Ja, bitvis. Systemet bootar (eller gjorde i alla fall innan jag råkade
> skriva sönder grub), men det är mycket att göra innan det är ett
> användbart system. Porta drivrutinen för närverkskortet är nog första
> steget. Få igång Xorg är nästa. :)
>
> Johan
>

Jag lyckades faktiskt få upp ett GNU/Hurd-system då Hurd släpptes
publikt (1996?). Inte för att det var särskilt användbart men ändå :)

/Lasse

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Hejsan

Det har börjat trilla in anmälningar och det är väldigt kul. Fortsätt så!

Just nu ser vårt program ut såhär, typ:

- "Tor" med Linus Nordberg

- "criteriacertifiering (säkerhetscertning) av opensource" med Tomas
    Gustavsson

- "micromanager för att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)" med Johan
    Henriksson

- "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg

Vi har plats med ett antal till föredrag. Kanske något "mjukare" om policys,
sociala frågot, regler, juridik, kön, snedfördeldning, politik eller så? Vill 
någon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" slänga ihop något och berätta för 
oss andra vad som hänt, händer och vad vi alla kan hjälpa till med?

Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar mötes-sidan med mer info över tid:

http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html

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Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och =C3=A4ven politik i sl=
utet av
f=C3=B6rra =C3=A5ret, varf=C3=B6r inte k=C3=B6ra n=C3=A5gon sorts allm=C3=
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heta k=C3=A4nslor kan vi alltid sl=C3=A4cka br=C3=A4nder med lite =C3=B6l..=
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=C2=A0
pam=C2=A0


Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>=
:

> Hejsan
>
> Det har b=C3=B6rjat trilla in anm=C3=A4lningar och det =C3=A4r v=C3=A4ldi=
gt kul. Forts=C3=A4tt s=C3=A5!
>
> Just nu ser v=C3=A5rt program ut s=C3=A5h=C3=A4r, typ:
>
> - "Tor" med Linus Nordberg
>
> - "criteriacertifiering (s=C3=A4kerhetscertning) av opensource" med Tomas
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gustavsson
>
> - "micromanager f=C3=B6r att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)" med=
 Johan
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Henriksson
>
> - "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg
>
> Vi har plats med ett antal till f=C3=B6redrag. Kanske n=C3=A5got "mjukare=
" om policys,
> sociala fr=C3=A5got, regler, juridik, k=C3=B6n, snedf=C3=B6rdeldning, pol=
itik eller s=C3=A5? Vill
> n=C3=A5gon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" sl=C3=A4nga ihop n=C3=A5g=
ot och ber=C3=A4tta f=C3=B6r
> oss andra vad som h=C3=A4nt, h=C3=A4nder och vad vi alla kan hj=C3=A4lpa =
till med?
>
> Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m=C3=B6tes-sidan med mer info =C3=B6ver tid:
>
> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>
> --
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0/ daniel.haxx.se-------------------
Pamela Fuentes
www.trauco.com

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    Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och &#228;ven politik i slutet av f&#246;rra &#229;ret, varf&#246;r inte k&#246;ra n&#229;gon sorts allm&#228;n diskussion om det? om det blir heta k&#228;nslor kan vi alltid sl&#228;cka br&#228;nder med lite &#246;l...
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   Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg &#60;daniel@haxx.se&#62;:
   <br/>
   <br/>
   &#62; Hejsan
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Det har b&#246;rjat trilla in anm&#228;lningar och det &#228;r v&#228;ldigt kul. Forts&#228;tt s&#229;!
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Just nu ser v&#229;rt program ut s&#229;h&#228;r, typ:
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; - &#34;Tor&#34; med Linus Nordberg
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; - &#34;criteriacertifiering (s&#228;kerhetscertning) av opensource&#34; med Tomas
   <br/>
   &#62;&#160; &#160; &#160;Gustavsson
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; - &#34;micromanager f&#246;r att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)&#34; med Johan
   <br/>
   &#62;&#160; &#160; &#160;Henriksson
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
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   &#62;
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   &#62; Vi har plats med ett antal till f&#246;redrag. Kanske n&#229;got &#34;mjukare&#34; om policys,
   <br/>
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   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m&#246;tes-sidan med mer info &#246;ver tid:
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; --
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62;&#160; &#160;/ daniel.haxx.se
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   -------------------
   <br/>
   Pamela Fuentes
   <br/>
   www.trauco.com
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   <br/>
   http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
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Hejsan!

Vill bara nämna att jag lagt upp lite info om en heltidstjänst på
"FOSS Stockholm" gruppen på LinkedIn. Den kan vara intressant för den
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2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
> Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och även politik i slutet
> av förra året, varför inte köra någon sorts allmän diskussion om det? om det
> blir heta känslor kan vi alltid släcka bränder med lite öl...
>
>
>
> pam
>
>
> Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>
>> Hejsan
>>
>> Det har börjat trilla in anmälningar och det är väldigt kul. Fortsätt så!
>>
>> Just nu ser vårt program ut såhär, typ:
>>
>> - "Tor" med Linus Nordberg
>>
>> - "criteriacertifiering (säkerhetscertning) av opensource" med Tomas
>>     Gustavsson
>>
>> - "micromanager för att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)" med Johan
>>     Henriksson
>>
>> - "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg
>>
>> Vi har plats med ett antal till föredrag. Kanske något "mjukare" om
>> policys,
>> sociala frågot, regler, juridik, kön, snedfördeldning, politik eller så?
>> Vill
>> någon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" slänga ihop något och berätta
>> för
>> oss andra vad som hänt, händer och vad vi alla kan hjälpa till med?
>>
>> Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar mötes-sidan med mer info över tid:
>>
>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>
>> --
>>
>>   / daniel.haxx.se
>
> -------------------
> Pamela Fuentes
> www.trauco.com
>
> http://www.ubuntu-women.org/

Såg Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna hålla föredrag om
det? När jag som hastigast kollade sidan såg jag att de anordnar aktiviteter
och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel på hur
de som inte är del av den manliga vita medelklass datanörds-normen
uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarurörelsen.


--
Per

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Jag skulle kunna berätta mer om vad som sades om "FOSS i skolan" förra
året. Men eftersom jag inte tänker ens försöka vara objektiv i den
frågan, så kanske någon annan vill ta och framföra just hur den
dialogen löd. Den var väldigt bra i sin helhet dock.

Piratpartiet erbjöd alla som deltar i FOSS Stockholm att agera
"resmis-instans" för att se över våra förslag när vi väl har dem på
bordet, vilket i de som var på mötet i december gärna ville se hända.

Jag presenterar alltså för FOSS Stockholm senare i år vilken
sakpolitik Piratpartiet lägger fram på det här oerhört viktiga ämnet.
Men jag vill inte gå händelserna i förväg, annat än att vi just nu
arbetar hårt med att ta fram tydliga sak-politiska-förslag för
Piratpartiets medlemmar att ta ställning i. Men, som sagt,
diskussionerna går heta även inom Piratpartiet på den här fronten.

Jag vågar dock lova att Piratpartiet kommer ha konkreta saker på plats
för "FOSS Skolpolitik" Stockholm ABC redan i sommar.

/Erik Lönroth
https://pirateweb.net/pages/public/se/newmember/new.aspx


2012/1/9 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:
> 2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
>> Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och även politik i slutet
>> av förra året, varför inte köra någon sorts allmän diskussion om det? om det
>> blir heta känslor kan vi alltid släcka bränder med lite öl...
>>
>>
>>
>> pam
>>
>>
>> Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>>
>>> Hejsan
>>>
>>> Det har börjat trilla in anmälningar och det är väldigt kul. Fortsätt så!
>>>
>>> Just nu ser vårt program ut såhär, typ:
>>>
>>> - "Tor" med Linus Nordberg
>>>
>>> - "criteriacertifiering (säkerhetscertning) av opensource" med Tomas
>>>     Gustavsson
>>>
>>> - "micromanager för att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)" med Johan
>>>     Henriksson
>>>
>>> - "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg
>>>
>>> Vi har plats med ett antal till föredrag. Kanske något "mjukare" om
>>> policys,
>>> sociala frågot, regler, juridik, kön, snedfördeldning, politik eller så?
>>> Vill
>>> någon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" slänga ihop något och berätta
>>> för
>>> oss andra vad som hänt, händer och vad vi alla kan hjälpa till med?
>>>
>>> Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar mötes-sidan med mer info över tid:
>>>
>>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>   / daniel.haxx.se
>>
>> -------------------
>> Pamela Fuentes
>> www.trauco.com
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
>
> Såg Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna hålla föredrag om
> det? När jag som hastigast kollade sidan såg jag att de anordnar aktiviteter
> och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel på hur
> de som inte är del av den manliga vita medelklass datanörds-normen
> uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarurörelsen.
>
>
> --
> Per
>
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2012/1/9 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>

> 2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
> > Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och =C3=A4ven politik =
i
> slutet
> > av f=C3=B6rra =C3=A5ret, varf=C3=B6r inte k=C3=B6ra n=C3=A5gon sorts al=
lm=C3=A4n diskussion om det? om
> det
> > blir heta k=C3=A4nslor kan vi alltid sl=C3=A4cka br=C3=A4nder med lite =
=C3=B6l...
> >
> >
> >
> > pam
> >
> >
> > Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg <
> daniel@haxx.se>:
> >
> >> Hejsan
> >>
> >> Det har b=C3=B6rjat trilla in anm=C3=A4lningar och det =C3=A4r v=C3=A4=
ldigt kul. Forts=C3=A4tt
> s=C3=A5!
> >>
> >> Just nu ser v=C3=A5rt program ut s=C3=A5h=C3=A4r, typ:
> >>
> >> - "Tor" med Linus Nordberg
> >>
> >> - "criteriacertifiering (s=C3=A4kerhetscertning) av opensource" med To=
mas
> >>     Gustavsson
> >>
> >> - "micromanager f=C3=B6r att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)" =
med
> Johan
> >>     Henriksson
> >>
> >> - "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg
> >>
> >> Vi har plats med ett antal till f=C3=B6redrag. Kanske n=C3=A5got "mjuk=
are" om
> >> policys,
> >> sociala fr=C3=A5got, regler, juridik, k=C3=B6n, snedf=C3=B6rdeldning, =
politik eller s=C3=A5?
> >> Vill
> >> n=C3=A5gon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" sl=C3=A4nga ihop n=C3=
=A5got och ber=C3=A4tta
> >> f=C3=B6r
> >> oss andra vad som h=C3=A4nt, h=C3=A4nder och vad vi alla kan hj=C3=A4l=
pa till med?
> >>
> >> Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m=C3=B6tes-sidan med mer info =C3=B6ver ti=
d:
> >>
> >> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>   / daniel.haxx.se
> >
> > -------------------
> > Pamela Fuentes
> > www.trauco.com
> >
> > http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
>
> S=C3=A5g Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna h=C3=A5lla f=
=C3=B6redrag om
> det? N=C3=A4r jag som hastigast kollade sidan s=C3=A5g jag att de anordna=
r
> aktiviteter
> och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel p=C3=
=A5 hur
> de som inte =C3=A4r del av den manliga vita medelklass datan=C3=B6rds-nor=
men
> uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarur=C3=B6relsen.
>
>
>
Ja! Det vore j=C3=A4tteintressant!

/S

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/9 Per Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avtobiff@gmail.com">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pam@trauco.com">pam@trauco.co=
m</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt; Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och =C3=A4ven politik=
 i slutet<br>
&gt; av f=C3=B6rra =C3=A5ret, varf=C3=B6r inte k=C3=B6ra n=C3=A5gon sorts a=
llm=C3=A4n diskussion om det? om det<br>
&gt; blir heta k=C3=A4nslor kan vi alltid sl=C3=A4cka br=C3=A4nder med lite=
 =C3=B6l...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; pam<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:daniel@haxx.se">daniel@haxx.se</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hejsan<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Det har b=C3=B6rjat trilla in anm=C3=A4lningar och det =C3=A4r v=
=C3=A4ldigt kul. Forts=C3=A4tt s=C3=A5!<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Just nu ser v=C3=A5rt program ut s=C3=A5h=C3=A4r, typ:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; - &quot;Tor&quot; med Linus Nordberg<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; - &quot;criteriacertifiering (s=C3=A4kerhetscertning) av opensourc=
e&quot; med Tomas<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gustavsson<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; - &quot;micromanager f=C3=B6r att styra mikroskop (<a href=3D"http=
://www.micro-manager.org" target=3D"_blank">www.micro-manager.org</a>)&quot=
; med Johan<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Henriksson<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; - &quot;SDPY&quot; med Daniel Stenberg<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Vi har plats med ett antal till f=C3=B6redrag. Kanske n=C3=A5got &=
quot;mjukare&quot; om<br>
&gt;&gt; policys,<br>
&gt;&gt; sociala fr=C3=A5got, regler, juridik, k=C3=B6n, snedf=C3=B6rdeldni=
ng, politik eller s=C3=A5?<br>
&gt;&gt; Vill<br>
&gt;&gt; n=C3=A5gon av de som jobbat med &quot;foss i skolan&quot; sl=C3=A4=
nga ihop n=C3=A5got och ber=C3=A4tta<br>
&gt;&gt; f=C3=B6r<br>
&gt;&gt; oss andra vad som h=C3=A4nt, h=C3=A4nder och vad vi alla kan hj=C3=
=A4lpa till med?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m=C3=B6tes-sidan med mer info =C3=B6ve=
r tid:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0/ <a href=3D"http://daniel.haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">=
daniel.haxx.se</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -------------------<br>
&gt; Pamela Fuentes<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.trauco.com" target=3D"_blank">www.trauco.com</a>=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ubuntu-women.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
ubuntu-women.org/</a><br>
<br>
S=C3=A5g Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna h=C3=A5lla f=
=C3=B6redrag om<br>
det? N=C3=A4r jag som hastigast kollade sidan s=C3=A5g jag att de anordnar =
aktiviteter<br>
och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel p=C3=A5=
 hur<br>
de som inte =C3=A4r del av den manliga vita medelklass datan=C3=B6rds-norme=
n<br>
uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarur=C3=B6relsen.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ja! Det vore j=C3=A4tteintressa=
nt!</div><div><br></div><div>/S</div></div>

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Ja! kan inte du g=C3=B6ra det!!


Den den 9 januari 2012 klockan 20:05 skrev "Erik L=C3=B6nroth"
<erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:

> Jag skulle kunna ber=C3=A4tta mer om vad som sades om "FOSS i skolan" f=
=C3=B6rra
> =C3=A5ret. Men eftersom jag inte t=C3=A4nker ens f=C3=B6rs=C3=B6ka vara o=
bjektiv i den
> fr=C3=A5gan, s=C3=A5 kanske n=C3=A5gon annan vill ta och framf=C3=B6ra ju=
st hur den
> dialogen l=C3=B6d. Den var v=C3=A4ldigt bra i sin helhet dock.
>
> Piratpartiet erbj=C3=B6d alla som deltar i FOSS Stockholm att agera
> "resmis-instans" f=C3=B6r att se =C3=B6ver v=C3=A5ra f=C3=B6rslag n=C3=A4=
r vi v=C3=A4l har dem p=C3=A5
> bordet, vilket i de som var p=C3=A5 m=C3=B6tet i december g=C3=A4rna vill=
e se h=C3=A4nda.
>
> Jag presenterar allts=C3=A5 f=C3=B6r FOSS Stockholm senare i =C3=A5r vilk=
en
> sakpolitik Piratpartiet l=C3=A4gger fram p=C3=A5 det h=C3=A4r oerh=C3=B6r=
t viktiga =C3=A4mnet.
> Men jag vill inte g=C3=A5 h=C3=A4ndelserna i f=C3=B6rv=C3=A4g, annat =C3=
=A4n att vi just nu
> arbetar h=C3=A5rt med att ta fram tydliga sak-politiska-f=C3=B6rslag f=C3=
=B6r
> Piratpartiets medlemmar att ta st=C3=A4llning i. Men, som sagt,
> diskussionerna g=C3=A5r heta =C3=A4ven inom Piratpartiet p=C3=A5 den h=C3=
=A4r fronten.
>
> Jag v=C3=A5gar dock lova att Piratpartiet kommer ha konkreta saker p=C3=
=A5 plats
> f=C3=B6r "FOSS Skolpolitik" Stockholm ABC redan i sommar.
>
> /Erik L=C3=B6nroth
> https://pirateweb.net/pages/public/se/newmember/new.aspx
>
>
> 2012/1/9 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:
> > 2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
> >> Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och =C3=A4ven politik=
 i
slutet
> >> av f=C3=B6rra =C3=A5ret, varf=C3=B6r inte k=C3=B6ra n=C3=A5gon sorts a=
llm=C3=A4n diskussion om det?
om det
> >> blir heta k=C3=A4nslor kan vi alltid sl=C3=A4cka br=C3=A4nder med lite=
 =C3=B6l...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> pam
> >>
> >>
> >> Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg
<daniel@haxx.se>:
> >>
> >>> Hejsan
> >>>
> >>> Det har b=C3=B6rjat trilla in anm=C3=A4lningar och det =C3=A4r v=C3=
=A4ldigt kul. Forts=C3=A4tt
s=C3=A5!
> >>>
> >>> Just nu ser v=C3=A5rt program ut s=C3=A5h=C3=A4r, typ:
> >>>
> >>> - "Tor" med Linus Nordberg
> >>>
> >>> - "criteriacertifiering (s=C3=A4kerhetscertning) av opensource" med T=
omas
> >>>     Gustavsson
> >>>
> >>> - "micromanager f=C3=B6r att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)"=
 med
Johan
> >>>     Henriksson
> >>>
> >>> - "SDPY" med Daniel Stenberg
> >>>
> >>> Vi har plats med ett antal till f=C3=B6redrag. Kanske n=C3=A5got "mju=
kare" om
> >>> policys,
> >>> sociala fr=C3=A5got, regler, juridik, k=C3=B6n, snedf=C3=B6rdeldning,=
 politik eller
s=C3=A5?
> >>> Vill
> >>> n=C3=A5gon av de som jobbat med "foss i skolan" sl=C3=A4nga ihop n=C3=
=A5got och
ber=C3=A4tta
> >>> f=C3=B6r
> >>> oss andra vad som h=C3=A4nt, h=C3=A4nder och vad vi alla kan hj=C3=A4=
lpa till med?
> >>>
> >>> Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m=C3=B6tes-sidan med mer info =C3=B6ver t=
id:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>   / daniel.haxx.se
> >>
> >> -------------------
> >> Pamela Fuentes
> >> www.trauco.com
> >>
> >> http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
> >
> > S=C3=A5g Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna h=C3=A5lla=
 f=C3=B6redrag
om
> > det? N=C3=A4r jag som hastigast kollade sidan s=C3=A5g jag att de anord=
nar
aktiviteter
> > och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel p=
=C3=A5
hur
> > de som inte =C3=A4r del av den manliga vita medelklass datan=C3=B6rds-n=
ormen
> > uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarur=C3=B6relsen.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Per
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm

-------------------
Pamela Fuentes
www.trauco.com

http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
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    Ja! kan inte du g&#246;ra det!!
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   Den den 9 januari 2012 klockan 20:05 skrev &#34;Erik L&#246;nroth&#34; &#60;erik.lonroth@gmail.com&#62;:
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   <br/>
   &#62; Jag skulle kunna ber&#228;tta mer om vad som sades om &#34;FOSS i skolan&#34; f&#246;rra
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   &#62; &#229;ret. Men eftersom jag inte t&#228;nker ens f&#246;rs&#246;ka vara objektiv i den
   <br/>
   &#62; fr&#229;gan, s&#229; kanske n&#229;gon annan vill ta och framf&#246;ra just hur den
   <br/>
   &#62; dialogen l&#246;d. Den var v&#228;ldigt bra i sin helhet dock.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Piratpartiet erbj&#246;d alla som deltar i FOSS Stockholm att agera
   <br/>
   &#62; &#34;resmis-instans&#34; f&#246;r att se &#246;ver v&#229;ra f&#246;rslag n&#228;r vi v&#228;l har dem p&#229;
   <br/>
   &#62; bordet, vilket i de som var p&#229; m&#246;tet i december g&#228;rna ville se h&#228;nda.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Jag presenterar allts&#229; f&#246;r FOSS Stockholm senare i &#229;r vilken
   <br/>
   &#62; sakpolitik Piratpartiet l&#228;gger fram p&#229; det h&#228;r oerh&#246;rt viktiga &#228;mnet.
   <br/>
   &#62; Men jag vill inte g&#229; h&#228;ndelserna i f&#246;rv&#228;g, annat &#228;n att vi just nu
   <br/>
   &#62; arbetar h&#229;rt med att ta fram tydliga sak-politiska-f&#246;rslag f&#246;r
   <br/>
   &#62; Piratpartiets medlemmar att ta st&#228;llning i. Men, som sagt,
   <br/>
   &#62; diskussionerna g&#229;r heta &#228;ven inom Piratpartiet p&#229; den h&#228;r fronten.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; Jag v&#229;gar dock lova att Piratpartiet kommer ha konkreta saker p&#229; plats
   <br/>
   &#62; f&#246;r &#34;FOSS Skolpolitik&#34; Stockholm ABC redan i sommar.
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; /Erik L&#246;nroth
   <br/>
   &#62; https://pirateweb.net/pages/public/se/newmember/new.aspx
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; 2012/1/9 Per Andersson &#60;avtobiff@gmail.com&#62;:
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; 2012/1/5 Pamela Fuentes &#60;pam@trauco.com&#62;:
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; Det blev en del diskussion omkring Foss i skolan och &#228;ven politik i slutet
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; av f&#246;rra &#229;ret, varf&#246;r inte k&#246;ra n&#229;gon sorts allm&#228;n diskussion om det? om det
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; blir heta k&#228;nslor kan vi alltid sl&#228;cka br&#228;nder med lite &#246;l...
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; pam
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; Den den 5 januari 2012 klockan 12:43 skrev Daniel Stenberg &#60;daniel@haxx.se&#62;:
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Hejsan
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Det har b&#246;rjat trilla in anm&#228;lningar och det &#228;r v&#228;ldigt kul. Forts&#228;tt s&#229;!
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Just nu ser v&#229;rt program ut s&#229;h&#228;r, typ:
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; - &#34;Tor&#34; med Linus Nordberg
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; - &#34;criteriacertifiering (s&#228;kerhetscertning) av opensource&#34; med Tomas
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;&#160; &#160; &#160;Gustavsson
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; - &#34;micromanager f&#246;r att styra mikroskop (www.micro-manager.org)&#34; med Johan
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;&#160; &#160; &#160;Henriksson
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; - &#34;SDPY&#34; med Daniel Stenberg
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Vi har plats med ett antal till f&#246;redrag. Kanske n&#229;got &#34;mjukare&#34; om
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; policys,
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; sociala fr&#229;got, regler, juridik, k&#246;n, snedf&#246;rdeldning, politik eller s&#229;?
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Vill
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; n&#229;gon av de som jobbat med &#34;foss i skolan&#34; sl&#228;nga ihop n&#229;got och ber&#228;tta
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; f&#246;r
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; oss andra vad som h&#228;nt, h&#228;nder och vad vi alla kan hj&#228;lpa till med?
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; Som vanligt, jag uppdaterar m&#246;tes-sidan med mer info &#246;ver tid:
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62; --
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;&#62;&#160; &#160;/ daniel.haxx.se
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; -------------------
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; Pamela Fuentes
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; www.trauco.com
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;&#62; http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; S&#229;g Ubuntu Women i din signatur Pamela. Skulle du kunna h&#229;lla f&#246;redrag om
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; det? N&#228;r jag som hastigast kollade sidan s&#229;g jag att de anordnar aktiviteter
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; och har ett mentorprogram. Vore intressant att se praktiska exempel p&#229; hur
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; de som inte &#228;r del av den manliga vita medelklass datan&#246;rds-normen
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; uppmuntras att delta i fri programvarur&#246;relsen.
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; --
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; Per
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62;
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; _______________________________________________
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
   <br/>
   &#62; &#62; http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
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   -------------------
   <br/>
   Pamela Fuentes
   <br/>
   www.trauco.com
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   <br/>
   http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
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Hej!

Vilken oss crm skulle ni rekommendera?

Tackar!!!
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Pamela Fuentes skrev 2012-01-11 13:57:
> Hej!

Hej, hej!

> Vilken oss crm skulle ni rekommendera?

Frågan är väldigt stor. För att kunna få ett svar måste du precisera vad
ditt CRM skall användas till.

Det finns som du säkert vet massor av CRM där ute som alla är bra på
något sätt. Alla som underhålls görs förmodligen så till stor del av
personer som tycker just sitt CRM är bäst.

  /Marcus

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Tack, du har så rätt. Jag har väldigt basic behov, har startat en agentur och kommer att hantera kundkontakt, lager, logistik och fakturering. Tänkte mest om ni använder något idag som fungerar bra?

Pamela Fuentes
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On 11 jan 2012, at 14:03, "Marcus Rejås (FSFE)"<rejas@fsfeurope.org> wrote:

> Pamela Fuentes skrev 2012-01-11 13:57:
>> Hej!
> 
> Hej, hej!
> 
>> Vilken oss crm skulle ni rekommendera?
> 
> Frågan är väldigt stor. För att kunna få ett svar måste du precisera vad
> ditt CRM skall användas till.
> 
> Det finns som du säkert vet massor av CRM där ute som alla är bra på
> något sätt. Alla som underhålls görs förmodligen så till stor del av
> personer som tycker just sitt CRM är bäst.
> 
>  /Marcus
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2012-01-11 14:14, Pamela Fuentes skrev:
> Tack, du har så rätt. Jag har väldigt basic behov, har startat en agentur och kommer att hantera kundkontakt, lager, logistik och fakturering. Tänkte mest om ni använder något idag som fungerar bra?
>
> Pamela Fuentes
> Systemansvarig IT
> Infranord AB
> 010-121 71 08

Vi har mycket goda erfarenheter av OpenERP. Med OpenERP finns det flera 
typer av CRM-hantering (säljstöd/offerter, helpdesk, garanti och issue) 
som kan integreras med e-post, sociala medier, kalender å ena sidan och 
lager, logistik och fakturering å andra sidan, antingen egna moduler 
eller främmande system. Fet klient på Ubuntu och Windows (med 
handpåläggning även Mac) eller webbklient. Skalar från några få 
användare till tusentals.

Fri programvara (GPL) med både lokala och internationella konsulter som 
kan hjälpa till med olika driftlösningar och implementation. Vi 
demonstrerade systemet tillsammans med dokumenthantering för 
Kammarkollegiet före jul.

http://www.openerp.com/products/crm

Mvh
Anders Wallenquist
0709  - 565 160
>
>
> On 11 jan 2012, at 14:03, "Marcus Rejås (FSFE)"<rejas@fsfeurope.org>  wrote:
>
>> Pamela Fuentes skrev 2012-01-11 13:57:
>>> Hej!
>> Hej, hej!
>>
>>> Vilken oss crm skulle ni rekommendera?
>> Frågan är väldigt stor. För att kunna få ett svar måste du precisera vad
>> ditt CRM skall användas till.
>>
>> Det finns som du säkert vet massor av CRM där ute som alla är bra på
>> något sätt. Alla som underhålls görs förmodligen så till stor del av
>> personer som tycker just sitt CRM är bäst.
>>
>>   /Marcus
>>
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> Ja! kan inte du göra det!!

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Vad är CRM?

Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydligare
för mig...


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On Jan 11, 2012, at 15:46, Per Andersson wrote:

> Vad är CRM?

Customer Relationship Manager. 


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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:46, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vad är CRM?
>
> Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydligare
> för mig...

CRM = Customer Relationship Managment,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_relationship_management

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Vi anv=E4nder oss av CiviCRM som jag tycker fungerar r=E4tt bra, men vi
anv=E4nder det v=E4l mer som ett medlemssystem, =E4ven om vi har lyckats
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> Vad =E4r CRM?
>
> Jag har f=F6rs=F6kt l=E4sa p=E5 INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydl=
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> f=F6r mig...
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<div><br></div><div>--=A0<br><div>Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar=A0<div>Jan Ain=
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f=F6r mig...<br>
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2012/1/11 Michael Boman <michael@michaelboman.org>:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:46, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Vad är CRM?
>>
>> Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydligare
>> för mig...
>
> CRM = Customer Relationship Managment,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_relationship_management

En utskrivning av förkortningen och en länk till wikipediasidan som jag försökt
läsa hjälper tyvärr inte min förståelse...

Vad används det till mer konkret? Något praktiskt exempel?


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> Vad används det till mer konkret? Något praktiskt exempel?

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Small business

For small business, basic client service can be accomplished by a
contact manager system: an integrated solution that lets organizations
and individuals efficiently track and record interactions, including
emails, documents, jobs, faxes, scheduling, and more. These tools
usually focus on accounts rather than on individual contacts. They
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larger enterprises, small businesses are finding value in online
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Och vad f=F6r bokf=F6ringssystem anv=E4nder ni? Finns det s=E5dana som =E4r=
 OSS som
fungerar f=F6r svenska marknaden?

Bj=F6rn

Den 11 januari 2012 15:54 skrev Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>:

> Vi anv=E4nder oss av CiviCRM som jag tycker fungerar r=E4tt bra, men vi
> anv=E4nder det v=E4l mer som ett medlemssystem, =E4ven om vi har lyckats
> integrera bokf=F6ringen d=E4r i och har byggt en koppling till Payson s=
=E5 att
> medlemmarna kan betala sin avgift och det bokf=F6rs korrekt utan att en
> m=E4nniska beh=F6ver vara inblandad p=E5 v=E5r sida.
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> Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar
> Jan Ainali
> Ordf=F6rande, Wikimedia Sverige <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida>
>
>
> 2012/1/11 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
>
>> Vad =E4r CRM?
>>
>> Jag har f=F6rs=F6kt l=E4sa p=E5 INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tyd=
ligare
>> f=F6r mig...
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Och vad f=F6r bokf=F6ringssystem anv=E4nder ni? Finns det =
s=E5dana som =E4r OSS som fungerar f=F6r svenska marknaden?<div><br></div><=
div>Bj=F6rn<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 11 januari 2012 15:54 skr=
ev Jan Ainali <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jan.ainali@wikimedia.=
se">jan.ainali@wikimedia.se</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Vi anv=E4nder oss av CiviCRM som jag ty=
cker fungerar r=E4tt bra, men vi anv=E4nder det v=E4l mer som ett medlemssy=
stem, =E4ven om vi har lyckats integrera bokf=F6ringen d=E4r i och har bygg=
t en koppling till Payson s=E5 att medlemmarna kan betala sin avgift och de=
t bokf=F6rs korrekt utan att en m=E4nniska beh=F6ver vara inblandad p=E5 v=
=E5r sida.</div>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<div><br></div></font></span><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88=
8888">--=A0<br><div>Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar=A0<div>Jan Ainali</div></div=
><div>Ordf=F6rande,=A0<a href=3D"http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Wikimedia Sverige</a></div>
</font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
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2012/1/11 Per Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:avtobiff@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote=
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Vad =E4r CRM?<br>

<br>
Jag har f=F6rs=F6kt l=E4sa p=E5 INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydlig=
are<br>
f=F6r mig...<br>
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2012-01-11 17:20, Björn Göransson skrev:
> Och vad för bokföringssystem använder ni? Finns det sådana som är OSS 
> som fungerar för svenska marknaden?
>

Det bästa fria systemet är IMHO OpenERP som skalar från några få 
användare till tusentals. Bristen i openERP jämfört med enkla och 
billiga bokföringssystem är att de senare har en mer aktuell kontoplan 
och är mer uppdaterade med senaste löneavtalen i Sverige etc. Bland de 
små systemet kan man idag köpa ett med mallar för ekonomisk förening, 
handelsbolag eller litet aktiebolag. I de fall man kan tänka sig att 
göra en handpåläggning för just sin verksamhet så är detta inte något 
problem. Min förhoppning är att detta också är något som växer bort i 
takt med att fler använder systemet i här i Sverige (och bidrar med 
kontoplaner och mallar för olika verksamheter). Det finns en svensk 
användargrupp som jobbar på detta. När det gäller översättning och andra 
lokaliseringar så har det skett underverk de senaste två åren. (Vi har 
adderat funktioner för SRI-koder och börjat knacka kontoplaner enligt 
FARs rekommendationer, finns det intresserade att hjälpa till så hör av er).

En annan fördel med OpenERP är att det är ett fullödigt affärssystem med 
idag 1700 moduler som gör att systemet är en Schweizisk armékniv inom 
affärssystsem och angränsande funktioner (t ex dokumenthantering och 
kalenderserver). Man skulle kunna säga att OpenERP är affärssystemens 
Drupal. På samma sätt som Drupal på senare tid "revolutionerat" 
CMS-marknaden med tiotusentals moduler och hundratusentals duktiga 
utvecklare som gjort spännande inbrytningar inom en hel del marknader t 
ex tidningspubliceringsystem (The Economist, NY Observer) eller 
informationsavdelningssystem för regeringar (White House) fundraising 
(CiviCRM). Så har OpenERP ersatt sina första SAP-installationer i höstas.

http://apps.openerp.com/
https://launchpad.net/~openerpsweden

/Anders


> Björn
>
> Den 11 januari 2012 15:54 skrev Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se 
> <mailto:jan.ainali@wikimedia.se>>:
>
>     Vi använder oss av CiviCRM som jag tycker fungerar rätt bra, men
>     vi använder det väl mer som ett medlemssystem, även om vi har
>     lyckats integrera bokföringen där i och har byggt en koppling till
>     Payson så att medlemmarna kan betala sin avgift och det bokförs
>     korrekt utan att en människa behöver vara inblandad på vår sida.
>
>     -- 
>     Med vänliga hälsningar
>     Jan Ainali
>     Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida>
>
>
>     2012/1/11 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com
>     <mailto:avtobiff@gmail.com>>
>
>         Vad är CRM?
>
>         Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det
>         tydligare
>         för mig...
>
>
>         --
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    2012-01-11 17:20, Bj&ouml;rn G&ouml;ransson skrev:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CA+7pvnmDDzG8M1D6SqfcwFvC+EJPJvMCv1iOTO6abDKTSk9WVA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Och vad f&ouml;r bokf&ouml;ringssystem anv&auml;nder ni? Finns det
        s&aring;dana som &auml;r OSS som fungerar f&ouml;r svenska marknaden?
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Det b&auml;sta fria systemet &auml;r IMHO OpenERP som skalar fr&aring;n n&aring;gra f&aring;
    anv&auml;ndare till tusentals. Bristen i openERP j&auml;mf&ouml;rt med enkla och
    billiga bokf&ouml;ringssystem &auml;r att de senare har en mer aktuell
    kontoplan och &auml;r mer uppdaterade med senaste l&ouml;neavtalen i Sverige
    etc. Bland de sm&aring; systemet kan man idag k&ouml;pa ett med mallar f&ouml;r
    ekonomisk f&ouml;rening, handelsbolag eller litet aktiebolag. I de fall
    man kan t&auml;nka sig att g&ouml;ra en handp&aring;l&auml;ggning f&ouml;r just sin verksamhet
    s&aring; &auml;r detta inte n&aring;got problem. Min f&ouml;rhoppning &auml;r att detta ocks&aring;
    &auml;r n&aring;got som v&auml;xer bort i takt med att fler anv&auml;nder systemet i h&auml;r
    i Sverige (och bidrar med kontoplaner och mallar f&ouml;r olika
    verksamheter). Det finns en svensk anv&auml;ndargrupp som jobbar p&aring;
    detta. N&auml;r det g&auml;ller &ouml;vers&auml;ttning och andra lokaliseringar s&aring; har
    det skett underverk de senaste tv&aring; &aring;ren. (Vi har adderat funktioner
    f&ouml;r SRI-koder och b&ouml;rjat knacka kontoplaner enligt FARs
    rekommendationer, finns det intresserade att hj&auml;lpa till s&aring; h&ouml;r av
    er).<br>
    <br>
    En annan f&ouml;rdel med OpenERP &auml;r att det &auml;r ett full&ouml;digt aff&auml;rssystem
    med idag 1700 moduler som g&ouml;r att systemet &auml;r en Schweizisk arm&eacute;kniv
    inom aff&auml;rssystsem och angr&auml;nsande funktioner (t ex
    dokumenthantering och kalenderserver). Man skulle kunna s&auml;ga att
    OpenERP &auml;r aff&auml;rssystemens Drupal. P&aring; samma s&auml;tt som Drupal p&aring;
    senare tid "revolutionerat" CMS-marknaden med tiotusentals moduler
    och hundratusentals duktiga utvecklare som gjort sp&auml;nnande
    inbrytningar inom en hel del marknader t ex
    tidningspubliceringsystem (The Economist, NY Observer) eller
    informationsavdelningssystem f&ouml;r regeringar (White House)
    fundraising (CiviCRM). S&aring; har OpenERP ersatt sina f&ouml;rsta
    SAP-installationer i h&ouml;stas.<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://apps.openerp.com/">http://apps.openerp.com/</a><br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://launchpad.net/~openerpsweden">https://launchpad.net/~openerpsweden</a><br>
    <br>
    /Anders<br>
    <br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CA+7pvnmDDzG8M1D6SqfcwFvC+EJPJvMCv1iOTO6abDKTSk9WVA@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>Bj&ouml;rn<br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">Den 11 januari 2012 15:54 skrev Jan
            Ainali <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:jan.ainali@wikimedia.se">jan.ainali@wikimedia.se</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div>Vi anv&auml;nder oss av CiviCRM som jag tycker fungerar
                r&auml;tt bra, men vi anv&auml;nder det v&auml;l mer som ett
                medlemssystem, &auml;ven om vi har lyckats integrera
                bokf&ouml;ringen d&auml;r i och har byggt en koppling till Payson
                s&aring; att medlemmarna kan betala sin avgift och det bokf&ouml;rs
                korrekt utan att en m&auml;nniska beh&ouml;ver vara inblandad p&aring;
                v&aring;r sida.</div>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <div><br>
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                </font></span>
              <div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--&nbsp;<br>
                    <div>Med v&auml;nliga h&auml;lsningar&nbsp;
                      <div>Jan Ainali</div>
                    </div>
                    <div>Ordf&ouml;rande,&nbsp;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida"
                        target="_blank">Wikimedia Sverige</a></div>
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                      2012/1/11 Per Andersson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                          href="mailto:avtobiff@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">avtobiff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
                        0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                        solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        Vad &auml;r CRM?<br>
                        <br>
                        Jag har f&ouml;rs&ouml;kt l&auml;sa p&aring; INTERNETS men det har
                        inte gjort det tydligare<br>
                        f&ouml;r mig...<br>
                        <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                            <br>
                            --<br>
                            Per<br>
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2012-01-11 16:08, Per Andersson skrev:
> 2012/1/11 Michael Boman<michael@michaelboman.org>:
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:46, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Vad är CRM?
>>>
>>> Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydligare
>>> för mig...
>> CRM = Customer Relationship Managment,
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_relationship_management
> En utskrivning av förkortningen och en länk till wikipediasidan som jag försökt
> läsa hjälper tyvärr inte min förståelse...
>
> Vad används det till mer konkret? Något praktiskt exempel?

Du kan använda CRM för att administrera en säljkår som jobbar med 
suspektiva, prospektiva kunder och offerter. Du kan administrera och 
följa upp effekten av kampanjer i olika media. Du kan administrera en 
helpdesk. CRM-systemet kan vara ryggraden i systemförvaltning (issues) 
eller administrera garantier och garantiärenden. Många använder 
CMR-system för medlemsregister och medlemsrekrytering eller för 
insamlingar och "president"-kampanjer (som ofta både handlar om att 
hitta sponsorer och anhängare). Telefonsäljare använder ofta CRM-system 
för att fördela ringlistor och följa upp resultat, kategorisera 
kund/prospektstocken etc.

SugarCRM är ett exempel på webbaserat system för säljkår-approachen, 
Sugar är en direkt konkurrent till Salesforce.com (licensfinansierat). 
CiviCRM, Storm, OpenAtrium är Drupal-baserade där den första är mer 
insamlings-orienterad, Storm är projekt-orienterad och OpenAtrium kanske 
mer helpdesk-orienterad.

OpenERP är något bredare (fler varianter) och har en del spännande 
möjligheter som t ex kan mer projekt-orienterad CMR välja mellan flera 
olika projektmetodiker t ex SCRUM, säljorineterade CRM kan den enskilda 
individen strukturera sitt arbete enligt metoder som t ex Getting things 
done, helpdesk har tillgång till integrerad dokumenthantering, 
avtalshantering och garantier, telefonväxel/e-post/twitter/facebook. Den 
projekt-orienterade kombinerad med fördel med t ex tidrapporter från 
HR-systemet och fakturering från kundorder-systemet, den säljorienterade 
CRM använder naturligtvis offerterna i kundorder, lager, logistik, inköp 
om det behövs etc. Alla ekonomiska transaktioner fångas upp och kan 
integreras i ett annat affärsystem eller så aktiverar man bokföringen också.

/Anders

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1. FOSS i Sverige enligt Piratpartiet.
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N=C3=A4sta m=C3=B6te 9, kan jag ta ett av dem. Men det h=C3=A4r m=C3=B6tet=
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Hej!

Jag kan också tänka mig att prata om FOSS i skolan på FOSS-träffen
25/1. Tillsammans med Erik då kanske?

Det var jag som tog initiativ till FOSS i skolan träffen i december.

Vi sa då att vi skulle ha en ny träff om FOSS i skolan i januari. Jag
har tyvärr varit sjuk själv och haft mycket med familjen (även
sjukdomar där) att göra.

En fråga är till er som var med på det mötet samt andra intresserade
på listan; ska vi träffas och diskutera FOSS i skolan vid något
tillfälle innan FOSS-träffen 25/1 eller ska vi kanske köra ett "möte"
om FOSS i skolan i anslutning till FOSS-träffen den 25/1.

Jag satte också upp sajten http://fsfskola.logikverket.se (som
uttrycker mina åsikter - inte alla som var med på FOSS i skolan
träffen i december!). Jag har för avsikt att ta fram mer material på
den sajten, och kanske registrera ett bra domännamn för en
aktionsgrupp för FOSS i skolan. Alla är högst välkomna att bidra med
synpunkter. Både vad gäller innehåll på den sajten men också hur en
aktionsgrupp för FOSS i skolan bör agera och organiseras.

/Paul

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Jag r=F6star f=F6r 3:an. Bitcoin =E4r ett mycket intressant =E4mne och nu h=
ar
valutakurserna dessutom =E5terh=E4mtat sig kraftigt j=E4mf=F6rt med dollarn=
.

2012/1/12 <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>

> Jag skulle kunna prata om det h=E4r, men jag kommer inte klara av att
> f=F6rbereda mig till m=F6te 8.
>
>
> Jag har tre helt olika saker jag t=E4nkt prata om, men det =E4r inte redo=
 =E4nnu
> riktigt.
>
>
> 1. FOSS i Sverige enligt Piratpartiet.
>
> 2. FOSS i Skolan enlig FOSS-Stockholm (!)
>
> 3. Ett bitcoin-projekt f=F6r drupal/ehandel.
>
>
> N=E4sta m=F6te 9, kan jag ta ett av dem. Men det h=E4r m=F6tet kommer jag=
 missa p=E5
> grund av ett arbete vi g=F6r med Biblioteken i Sverige just nu som ska bl=
i
> klart i februari.
>
>
> /Erik
>
> 2012-01-11 15:21 skrev Daniel Stenberg:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012, Pamela Fuentes wrote:
>
> >> Jag skulle kunna ber=E4tta mer om vad som sades om "FOSS i skolan" f=
=F6rra
> >> =E5ret. Men eftersom jag inte t=E4nker ens f=F6rs=F6ka vara objektiv i=
 den
>
> > Ja! kan inte du g=F6ra det!!
>
> Ja Erik, vad s=E4ger du?
>
> --
>
> / daniel.haxx.se
>
>
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Jag r=F6star f=F6r 3:an. Bitcoin =E4r ett mycket intressant =E4mne och nu h=
ar valutakurserna dessutom =E5terh=E4mtat sig kraftigt j=E4mf=F6rt med doll=
arn.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/12  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">Jag skulle kunna prata om det h=E4r, men jag kommer int=
e klara av att f=F6rbereda mig till m=F6te 8.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">Jag har tre helt olika saker jag t=E4nkt prata om, men =
det =E4r inte redo =E4nnu riktigt. </p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">1. FOSS i Sverige enligt Piratpartiet.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">2. FOSS i Skolan enlig FOSS-Stockholm (!)</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">3. Ett bitcoin-projekt f=F6r drupal/ehandel.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">N=E4sta m=F6te 9, kan jag ta ett av dem. Men det h=E4r =
m=F6tet kommer jag missa p=E5 grund av ett arbete vi g=F6r med Biblioteken =
i Sverige just nu som ska bli klart i februari.</p>

<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0=
px;text-indent:0px">/Erik</p></div><br><div><p><a href=3D"tel:2012-01-11%20=
15" value=3D"+12012011115" target=3D"_blank">2012-01-11 15</a>:21 skrev Dan=
iel Stenberg:<br>
</p></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Tue, 10 Jan 2012, Pamela Fuentes w=
rote:<br><br>&gt;&gt; Jag skulle kunna ber=E4tta mer om vad som sades om &q=
uot;FOSS i skolan&quot; f=F6rra<br>&gt;&gt; =E5ret. Men eftersom jag inte t=
=E4nker ens f=F6rs=F6ka vara objektiv i den<br>
<br>&gt; Ja! kan inte du g=F6ra det!!<br><br>Ja Erik, vad s=E4ger du?<br><b=
r>-- <br><br>  / <a href=3D"http://daniel.haxx.se" target=3D"_blank">daniel=
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Tack Paul för att du klev fram här, jag känner absolut att du som
initiativtagare till det här mötet förtjänar att få presentera det.

Jag har anteckningar som du kan få av mig om du vill och om du vill
att jag presenterar något tillsammans med dig så går det nog bra, även
om du då får berätta vad du vill jag ska säga =)

Jag lovar dock att presentera mera konkreta saker i vår från
Piratpartiets världshacking. Det är en hel del intressanta saker som
sker och FOSS finns med där.

Sen har jag ju mitt bitcoin-projekt som är funktionellt sett klart
till 90%, men de sista bitarna är svåra så det har jag än så länge
dragit mig lite för. Men senare i år så hoppas jag kunna visa något.

/Erik

2012/1/12 Paul Cohen <paco@seibostudios.se>:
> Hej!
>
> Jag kan också tänka mig att prata om FOSS i skolan på FOSS-träffen
> 25/1. Tillsammans med Erik då kanske?
>
> Det var jag som tog initiativ till FOSS i skolan träffen i december.
>
> Vi sa då att vi skulle ha en ny träff om FOSS i skolan i januari. Jag
> har tyvärr varit sjuk själv och haft mycket med familjen (även
> sjukdomar där) att göra.
>
> En fråga är till er som var med på det mötet samt andra intresserade
> på listan; ska vi träffas och diskutera FOSS i skolan vid något
> tillfälle innan FOSS-träffen 25/1 eller ska vi kanske köra ett "möte"
> om FOSS i skolan i anslutning till FOSS-träffen den 25/1.
>
> Jag satte också upp sajten http://fsfskola.logikverket.se (som
> uttrycker mina åsikter - inte alla som var med på FOSS i skolan
> träffen i december!). Jag har för avsikt att ta fram mer material på
> den sajten, och kanske registrera ett bra domännamn för en
> aktionsgrupp för FOSS i skolan. Alla är högst välkomna att bidra med
> synpunkter. Både vad gäller innehåll på den sajten men också hur en
> aktionsgrupp för FOSS i skolan bör agera och organiseras.
>
> /Paul
>
> --
> Paul Cohen
> www.seibostudios.se
> mobile: +46 730 787 035
> e-mail: paul.cohen@seibostudios.se
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, 1337 wrote:

> Jag röstar för 3:an. Bitcoin är ett mycket intressant ämne och nu har 
> valutakurserna dessutom återhämtat sig kraftigt jämfört med dollarn.

Låter ju finemang. Jag antecknar.

Jag har redan nu 4 stycken föredrag på listan som möjliga för nummer 9.

Jag har också fyllt på med lite info för jan2012-dagen:

 	http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Paul Cohen wrote:

> Jag kan också tänka mig att prata om FOSS i skolan på FOSS-träffen 25/1. 
> Tillsammans med Erik då kanske?

Låter ju intressant! Hur lång tid vill ni ha till det? Vi har just nu 5 
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Bitcoin-biten är nog den som är tekniskt mest intressant.

Den politiska biten är mest en möjlighet för er att få ha synpunkter
på vad vi hittar på för hyss i Piratpartiet. Nu närmast tänkte vi
skjuta ner hela upphovsrättsindustrin. Hoppas ingen tar illa upp.

/Erik

2012/1/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, 1337 wrote:
>
>> Jag röstar för 3:an. Bitcoin är ett mycket intressant ämne och nu har
>> valutakurserna dessutom återhämtat sig kraftigt jämfört med dollarn.
>
>
> Låter ju finemang. Jag antecknar.
>
> Jag har redan nu 4 stycken föredrag på listan som möjliga för nummer 9.
>
> Jag har också fyllt på med lite info för jan2012-dagen:
>
>        http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>
> Fortsätt gärna anmäla er. Jag är just nu rätt långsam på att acka
> anmälningar, men var lugn så kommer snart bekräftelser!
>
> --
>
>  / daniel.haxx.se
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... "Skjuta ner", är alltså en metafor för att vänligt men bestämt avveckla den.

/Erik

2012/1/12 Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
> Bitcoin-biten är nog den som är tekniskt mest intressant.
>
> Den politiska biten är mest en möjlighet för er att få ha synpunkter
> på vad vi hittar på för hyss i Piratpartiet. Nu närmast tänkte vi
> skjuta ner hela upphovsrättsindustrin. Hoppas ingen tar illa upp.
>
> /Erik
>
> 2012/1/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, 1337 wrote:
>>
>>> Jag röstar för 3:an. Bitcoin är ett mycket intressant ämne och nu har
>>> valutakurserna dessutom återhämtat sig kraftigt jämfört med dollarn.
>>
>>
>> Låter ju finemang. Jag antecknar.
>>
>> Jag har redan nu 4 stycken föredrag på listan som möjliga för nummer 9.
>>
>> Jag har också fyllt på med lite info för jan2012-dagen:
>>
>>        http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>
>> Fortsätt gärna anmäla er. Jag är just nu rätt långsam på att acka
>> anmälningar, men var lugn så kommer snart bekräftelser!
>>
>> --
>>
>>  / daniel.haxx.se
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.foss-sthlm.se/
>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>>

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2012/1/12 Anders Wallenquist <anders.wallenquist@vertel.se>:
> 2012-01-11 16:08, Per Andersson skrev:
>
>> 2012/1/11 Michael Boman<michael@michaelboman.org>:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:46, Per Andersson<avtobiff@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Vad är CRM?
>>>>
>>>> Jag har försökt läsa på INTERNETS men det har inte gjort det tydligare
>>>> för mig...
>>>
>>> CRM = Customer Relationship Managment,
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_relationship_management
>>
>> En utskrivning av förkortningen och en länk till wikipediasidan som jag
>> försökt
>> läsa hjälper tyvärr inte min förståelse...
>>
>> Vad används det till mer konkret? Något praktiskt exempel?
>
>
> Du kan använda CRM för att administrera en säljkår som jobbar med
> suspektiva, prospektiva kunder och offerter. Du kan administrera och följa
> upp effekten av kampanjer i olika media. Du kan administrera en helpdesk.
> CRM-systemet kan vara ryggraden i systemförvaltning (issues) eller
> administrera garantier och garantiärenden. Många använder CMR-system för
> medlemsregister och medlemsrekrytering eller för insamlingar och
> "president"-kampanjer (som ofta både handlar om att hitta sponsorer och
> anhängare). Telefonsäljare använder ofta CRM-system för att fördela
> ringlistor och följa upp resultat, kategorisera kund/prospektstocken etc.
>
> SugarCRM är ett exempel på webbaserat system för säljkår-approachen, Sugar
> är en direkt konkurrent till Salesforce.com (licensfinansierat). CiviCRM,
> Storm, OpenAtrium är Drupal-baserade där den första är mer
> insamlings-orienterad, Storm är projekt-orienterad och OpenAtrium kanske mer
> helpdesk-orienterad.
>
> OpenERP är något bredare (fler varianter) och har en del spännande
> möjligheter som t ex kan mer projekt-orienterad CMR välja mellan flera olika
> projektmetodiker t ex SCRUM, säljorineterade CRM kan den enskilda individen
> strukturera sitt arbete enligt metoder som t ex Getting things done,
> helpdesk har tillgång till integrerad dokumenthantering, avtalshantering och
> garantier, telefonväxel/e-post/twitter/facebook. Den projekt-orienterade
> kombinerad med fördel med t ex tidrapporter från HR-systemet och fakturering
> från kundorder-systemet, den säljorienterade CRM använder naturligtvis
> offerterna i kundorder, lager, logistik, inköp om det behövs etc. Alla
> ekonomiska transaktioner fångas upp och kan integreras i ett annat
> affärsystem eller så aktiverar man bokföringen också.

Tack för en kortfattad men ändå utförlig förklaring.


--
Per

> /Anders
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Inget blod alltså? ....synd!


On 12 jan 2012, at 23:40, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... "Skjuta ner", är alltså en metafor för att vänligt men bestämt avveckla den.
> 
> /Erik
> 
> 2012/1/12 Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>> Bitcoin-biten är nog den som är tekniskt mest intressant.
>> 
>> Den politiska biten är mest en möjlighet för er att få ha synpunkter
>> på vad vi hittar på för hyss i Piratpartiet. Nu närmast tänkte vi
>> skjuta ner hela upphovsrättsindustrin. Hoppas ingen tar illa upp.
>> 
>> /Erik
>> 
>> 2012/1/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, 1337 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jag röstar för 3:an. Bitcoin är ett mycket intressant ämne och nu har
>>>> valutakurserna dessutom återhämtat sig kraftigt jämfört med dollarn.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Låter ju finemang. Jag antecknar.
>>> 
>>> Jag har redan nu 4 stycken föredrag på listan som möjliga för nummer 9.
>>> 
>>> Jag har också fyllt på med lite info för jan2012-dagen:
>>> 
>>>        http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>> 
>>> Fortsätt gärna anmäla er. Jag är just nu rätt långsam på att acka
>>> anmälningar, men var lugn så kommer snart bekräftelser!
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
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Haha, nej inget blod.

/Erik

2012/1/13 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:
>
> Inget blod alltså? ....synd!
>
>
> On 12 jan 2012, at 23:40, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... "Skjuta ner", är alltså en metafor för att vänligt men bestämt avveckla den.
>>
>> /Erik
>>
>> 2012/1/12 Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>>> Bitcoin-biten är nog den som är tekniskt mest intressant.
>>>
>>> Den politiska biten är mest en möjlighet för er att få ha synpunkter
>>> på vad vi hittar på för hyss i Piratpartiet. Nu närmast tänkte vi
>>> skjuta ner hela upphovsrättsindustrin. Hoppas ingen tar illa upp.
>>>
>>> /Erik
>>>
>>> 2012/1/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, 1337 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jag röstar för 3:an. Bitcoin är ett mycket intressant ämne och nu har
>>>>> valutakurserna dessutom återhämtat sig kraftigt jämfört med dollarn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Låter ju finemang. Jag antecknar.
>>>>
>>>> Jag har redan nu 4 stycken föredrag på listan som möjliga för nummer 9.
>>>>
>>>> Jag har också fyllt på med lite info för jan2012-dagen:
>>>>
>>>>        http://www.foss-sthlm.se/jan2012.html
>>>>
>>>> Fortsätt gärna anmäla er. Jag är just nu rätt långsam på att acka
>>>> anmälningar, men var lugn så kommer snart bekräftelser!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>  / daniel.haxx.se
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Hejsan

För er som inte kollat upp programmet ännu så vill jag bara berätta att vi 
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Jag pekar på Paul här med skolan och FOSS.

På möte 9 kliver jag fram med bitcoin-projektet. Jag tänkte göra lite
"reklam" om det innan, så kanske jag kan visa mer "hands on" på min
dragning i stället.

/Erik

2012/1/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012, Paul Cohen wrote:
>
>> Jag kan också tänka mig att prata om FOSS i skolan på FOSS-träffen 25/1.
>> Tillsammans med Erik då kanske?
>
>
> Låter ju intressant! Hur lång tid vill ni ha till det? Vi har just nu 5
> stycken föredrag i planen, men vi kanske kan klämma lite på dem... =)
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http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/01/labb-snack-inbjudan/

Vi tänkte genomföra ett IPv6-labb här i Stockholm i slutet av månaden, med fokus på adresshantering - från autokonfiguration till DHCPv6 - med olika enheter. Det gäller ju att få fram en idé om hur man kan hantera adresserna i IPv6-världen parallellt med sina IPv4-adressplaner.

Labbet är i BYOD-still, dvs ta med dig egna burkar och koppla in så kör vi.

Tid plats och hur du anmäler dig står på webbsidan. 

Alla i FOSS Stockholm är givetvis välkomna!

Hälsningar
/O

PS. Vi har begränsat antalet platser för att Jörgen och jag också ska kunna vara med i övningarna. Först till kvarn maler...
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H=E4rligt!

Har l=E4nge velat ha en liten kurs vad g=E4ller detta. Har anm=E4lt mitt in=
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Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning,
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> http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/01/labb-snack-inbjudan/
>
> Vi t=E4nkte genomf=F6ra ett IPv6-labb h=E4r i Stockholm i slutet av m=E5n=
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> fokus p=E5 adresshantering - fr=E5n autokonfiguration till DHCPv6 - med o=
lika
> enheter. Det g=E4ller ju att f=E5 fram en id=E9 om hur man kan hantera ad=
resserna
> i IPv6-v=E4rlden parallellt med sina IPv4-adressplaner.
>
> Labbet =E4r i BYOD-still, dvs ta med dig egna burkar och koppla in s=E5 k=
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>
> Tid plats och hur du anm=E4ler dig st=E5r p=E5 webbsidan.
>
> Alla i FOSS Stockholm =E4r givetvis v=E4lkomna!
>
> H=E4lsningar
> /O
>
> PS. Vi har begr=E4nsat antalet platser f=F6r att J=F6rgen och jag ocks=E5=
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> kunna vara med i =F6vningarna. F=F6rst till kvarn maler...
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<p>Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning,<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM, &quot;Olle E. Johansson=
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<a href=3D"http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/01/labb-snack-inbjudan/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://ipv6-forum.se/blog/2012/01/labb-snack-inbjudan/</a><br>
<br>
Vi t=E4nkte genomf=F6ra ett IPv6-labb h=E4r i Stockholm i slutet av m=E5nad=
en, med fokus p=E5 adresshantering - fr=E5n autokonfiguration till DHCPv6 -=
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<br>
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Alla i FOSS Stockholm =E4r givetvis v=E4lkomna!<br>
<br>
H=E4lsningar<br>
/O<br>
<br>
PS. Vi har begr=E4nsat antalet platser f=F6r att J=F6rgen och jag ocks=E5 s=
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Hej!

Det kanske finns någon på den här listan som är intresserade av detta event:
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Av egen erfarenhet kan jag meddela att det är rent löjligt skoj med
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Tack f=C3=B6r tipset, har anm=C3=A4lt mig!

Det =C3=A4r v=C3=A4ldigt trevligt med fokuserade hackardagar utan krav =3D)

/S

2012/1/19 Thomas Sundberg <tsu@kth.se>

> Hej!
>
> Det kanske finns n=C3=A5gon p=C3=A5 den h=C3=A4r listan som =C3=A4r intre=
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> event:
> http://geekgirlcoderetreatsthlm-estw.eventbrite.com/
>
> Av egen erfarenhet kan jag meddela att det =C3=A4r rent l=C3=B6jligt skoj=
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> Code Retreats.
>
> /Thomas,
> som skulle g=C3=A5tt om det inte vore vikt f=C3=B6r tjejjer
>
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<div>Tack f=C3=B6r tipset, har anm=C3=A4lt mig!</div><div><br></div><div>De=
t =C3=A4r v=C3=A4ldigt trevligt med fokuserade hackardagar utan krav =3D)</=
div><div><br></div><div>/S</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/1/19 Th=
omas Sundberg <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsu@kth.se">tsu@kth.s=
e</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hej!<br>
<br>
Det kanske finns n=C3=A5gon p=C3=A5 den h=C3=A4r listan som =C3=A4r intress=
erade av detta event:<br>
<a href=3D"http://geekgirlcoderetreatsthlm-estw.eventbrite.com/" target=3D"=
_blank">http://geekgirlcoderetreatsthlm-estw.eventbrite.com/</a><br>
<br>
Av egen erfarenhet kan jag meddela att det =C3=A4r rent l=C3=B6jligt skoj m=
ed<br>
Code Retreats.<br>
<br>
/Thomas,<br>
som skulle g=C3=A5tt om det inte vore vikt f=C3=B6r tjejjer<br>
<br>
--<br>
Thomas Sundberg<br>
M. Sc. in Computer Science<br>
<br>
Mobile: <a href=3D"tel:%2B46%2070%20767%2033%2015" value=3D"+46707673315">+=
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Det är såna här saker som gör att man önskar man var utvecklare....

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On 19 jan 2012, at 08:05, Thomas Sundberg <tsu@kth.se> wrote:

> Hej!
> 
> Det kanske finns någon på den här listan som är intresserade av detta event:
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> 
> Av egen erfarenhet kan jag meddela att det är rent löjligt skoj med
> Code Retreats.
> 
> /Thomas,
> som skulle gått om det inte vore vikt för tjejjer
> 
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Hejsan

Vi är nu över 80 pers anmälda.

Ni som inte anmält er ännu, var god och gör det innan måndag den 23:e så att 
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Det går bra att anmäla sig efter denna tidpunkt också, men då kan man inte 
räkna med att få en macka.

Vi har fortfarande gott om plats kvar så ifall man verkligen vill vänta till 
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Hej alla!

Ursäkta om detta är något off-topic.

Jag driver sen ett antal år tillbaka adblockrules.org som är en 
filterlista till Adblock Plus mfl (firefox plugin), för reklamblockering.
Jag har pga andra projekt & brist på intresse inte tid över att driva 
vidare sajten och undrar om någon är intresserad av att ta över 
befintlig kod & domän.

Listan har alltid haft en ganska simpel disclaimer "Permission is 
granted for modification, replication and inclusion in any software, 
commercial or not.". Koden är egenutvecklad.

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Hej!
Tack för ikväll!

Nu har jag laddat upp min presentation här:

http://www.slideshare.net/oej/the-status-of-ipv6-and-open-sourcefree-operating-systems

Jag håller er underrättade om aktiviteter på IPv6-området!

/Olle

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Den 25 januari 2012 20:36 skrev Olle E. Johansson <oej@edvina.net>:
> Hej!
> Tack för ikväll!
>
> Nu har jag laddat upp min presentation här:
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/oej/the-status-of-ipv6-and-open-sourcefree-operating-systems
>
> Jag håller er underrättade om aktiviteter på IPv6-området!
>
> /Olle

Tack för ett bra och intressant föredrag.

Hälsningar,
Erik

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>
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Mycket bra presentation! Man blir sugen på ipv6.

Jag har kollat med SouthPole att vi kan få en riktig ipv6-adress här hos
oss :-)

Min presentationn finns här:
http://wwwpriv.primekey.se/~tomas/presentations/commoncriteria-opensource-5-FOSS.pdf

Mvh,
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On 01/25/2012 08:36 PM, Olle E. Johansson wrote:
> Hej!
> Tack för ikväll!
> 
> Nu har jag laddat upp min presentation här:
> 
> http://www.slideshare.net/oej/the-status-of-ipv6-and-open-sourcefree-operating-systems
> 
> Jag håller er underrättade om aktiviteter på IPv6-området!
> 
> /Olle
> 
> Länkar:
> 
> - http://www.ipv6-forum.se     <----- Se till att ert företag blir medlem!
> - http://ipv6friday.org
> - http://ipv6akuten.se
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26 jan 2012 kl. 09:38 skrev Tomas Gustavsson:

> 
> Mycket bra presentation! Man blir sugen på ipv6.

Det var tanken! Så kul att det lyckades. Det finns hur mycket som helst att göra inom IPv6 och det är kul!

Bra att ni får IPv6 på kontoret, Southpole behöver ju det speciellt - dom som jobbar med inbyggda system.

Bara dom fick schysst support i Curl... ;-)

/O
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Olle E. Johansson wrote:

> Bara dom fick schysst support i Curl... ;-)

curl stöder IPv6 sedan 10 år tillbaks faktiskt. Det den *inte* har är happy 
eyeball- anpassning så den kommer helt enkelt (oftast) att prioritera hostar i 
den ordning som getaddrinfo() returnernar dem, och det kan variera men brukar 
nog favorisera IPv4-adresser.

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Hej Daniel!

Vi slipper gärna happy eyeballs. Då curl är ett "tekniskt" verktyg så
bör det göra rätt ur ett tekniskt perspektiv och inte göra användare med
dåligt tålamod lyckliga.


Jag kollade lite vad gäller det "nya" protokollet SCTP och vad jag
förstår är det IETF-standard sedan år 2000 (rfc2960), sedan 2007 gäller
dock rfc4960.

Om jag förstått det hela rätt började det som ett protokoll för att
kunna skicka telefonisignalering över IP. Det visade sig dock att det
gick att göra mer generellt. Vad jag förståd på vår VD, Kurtis, så
används SCTP just som signaleringsbärare inom mobilvärlden.

Om Wikipedia sidan stämmer så verkar rätt så många operativsystem ha
implementerat SCTP samt att Cisco IOS finns listat. Hur andra
router-leverantörer har gjort har jag inte forskat i. Och om Cisco
implementerat det för att fixa telefonibryggor eller om man kan skicka
"vanlig" Internet-trafik över SCTP vet jag inte.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol

// Mem



Den 2012-01-26 11:11, Daniel Stenberg skrev:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Olle E. Johansson wrote:
> 
>> Bara dom fick schysst support i Curl... ;-)
> 
> curl stöder IPv6 sedan 10 år tillbaks faktiskt. Det den *inte* har är
> happy eyeball- anpassning så den kommer helt enkelt (oftast) att
> prioritera hostar i den ordning som getaddrinfo() returnernar dem, och
> det kan variera men brukar nog favorisera IPv4-adresser.

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:11+0100, Daniel Stenberg (daniel@haxx.se) wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Olle E. Johansson wrote:
> 
> >Bara dom fick schysst support i Curl... ;-)
> 
> curl stöder IPv6 sedan 10 år tillbaks faktiskt. Det den *inte* har är happy 
> eyeball- anpassning så den kommer helt enkelt (oftast) att prioritera 
> hostar i den ordning som getaddrinfo() returnernar dem, och det kan variera 
> men brukar nog favorisera IPv4-adresser.

curl -o - http://www.inet6.se         

Works for me, de dagar jag har webservern uppe iaf.
Men det handlar ju lite som sagt om ditt OS favoriserar v6 eller inte. 

Vill man testa ett hostnamn som enbart resolvar till v6 kan man prova
mot min inet6.se, den ska inte ha A records alls, utom NS som jag inte
fick ha som v6-only.

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Magnus Sandberg wrote:

> Jag kollade lite vad gäller det "nya" protokollet SCTP och vad jag förstår 
> är det IETF-standard sedan år 2000 (rfc2960), sedan 2007 gäller dock 
> rfc4960.

Om jag gav intrycket att det var nytt så gjorde jag fel - HTTP1.1 specen 
RFC2616 kom 1999, SCTP kom 2000. Jag betraktar SCTP som "omöjligt" att deploya 
på det puplika internet mycket just pga att det funnits ute så länge och ändå 
finns det inte ens lite grann använt publikt.

Internet-draften för HTTP över SCTP har inte blivit klar heller (vad jag vet 
så övergavs den för några år sedan) och det finns inte löst hur t.ex klienter 
ska göra för ange att "www.haxx.se" ska gå över TCP eller SCTP utan man tänker 
sig antagligen happy eyeball där också i ytterligare en dimension.

Ansträngningar som SPDY och MPTCP är ju istället pragmatiska approacher att 
införa ideer från SCTP fast på sätt som enklare går att deploya på dagens 
internet.

> Om jag förstått det hela rätt började det som ett protokoll för att kunna 
> skicka telefonisignalering över IP. Det visade sig dock att det gick att 
> göra mer generellt. Vad jag förståd på vår VD, Kurtis, så används SCTP just 
> som signaleringsbärare inom mobilvärlden.

Japp, telecom-nissar och andra som kör egna kontrollerade nät verkar prata 
SCTP rätt ofta. Och som sagt så stöder t.ex linux det i kärnan sedan många år 
tillbaks.

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26 jan 2012 kl. 11:47 skrev Magnus Sandberg:

> Hej Daniel!
> 
> Vi slipper gärna happy eyeballs. Då curl är ett "tekniskt" verktyg så
> bör det göra rätt ur ett tekniskt perspektiv och inte göra användare med
> dåligt tålamod lyckliga.
Där är jag inte helt överens... När vi använder CURL från dialplan i Asteirsk
är det viktigt som tusan att vi får den snabbaste anslutningen.

> 
> 
> Jag kollade lite vad gäller det "nya" protokollet SCTP och vad jag
> förstår är det IETF-standard sedan år 2000 (rfc2960), sedan 2007 gäller
> dock rfc4960.
> 
> Om jag förstått det hela rätt började det som ett protokoll för att
> kunna skicka telefonisignalering över IP. Det visade sig dock att det
> gick att göra mer generellt. Vad jag förståd på vår VD, Kurtis, så
> används SCTP just som signaleringsbärare inom mobilvärlden.
> 
> Om Wikipedia sidan stämmer så verkar rätt så många operativsystem ha
> implementerat SCTP samt att Cisco IOS finns listat. Hur andra
> router-leverantörer har gjort har jag inte forskat i. Och om Cisco
> implementerat det för att fixa telefonibryggor eller om man kan skicka
> "vanlig" Internet-trafik över SCTP vet jag inte.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol

SCTP har inte varit stabilt i Linux-kernel förrän för några år sedan, vilket
var ett problem. Och ja, det används i många interna telefoni-nät. Problemet
är att det nästan är oanvändbart på publika nät på grund av infrastrukturen...

/O
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Den 2012-01-26 14:35, Olle E. Johansson skrev:

> 26 jan 2012 kl. 11:47 skrev Magnus Sandberg:
> 
>> Hej Daniel!
>>
>> Vi slipper gärna happy eyeballs. Då curl är ett "tekniskt" verktyg så
>> bör det göra rätt ur ett tekniskt perspektiv och inte göra användare med
>> dåligt tålamod lyckliga.
>
> Där är jag inte helt överens... När vi använder CURL från dialplan i Asteirsk
> är det viktigt som tusan att vi får den snabbaste anslutningen.
> 
Jag tycker inte curl ska ha happy eyeballs som default. Om det är ett
riktigt stort problem som inte går att lösa på något andra sätt skulle
jag då föreslå en växel (bra ordval) för det, typ --happysip :-)

// Mem

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tor 2012-01-26 klockan 13:38 +0100 skrev Daniel Stenberg:

> Internet-draften för HTTP över SCTP har inte blivit klar heller (vad jag vet 
> så övergavs den för några år sedan) och det finns inte löst hur t.ex klienter 
> ska göra för ange att "www.haxx.se" ska gå över TCP eller SCTP utan man tänker 
> sig antagligen happy eyeball där också i ytterligare en dimension.

Hur vet webbläsaren att den skall använda SPDY? Eller MPTCP för den
delen?

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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Henrik Nordström wrote:

>> sig antagligen happy eyeball där också i ytterligare en dimension.
>
> Hur vet webbläsaren att den skall använda SPDY? Eller MPTCP för den delen?

Åtminstone SPDY _kan_ ju göras med happy eyeballs, men det är inte så det görs 
idag. Google låter sina HTTP-servrar svara med "Alternate-Protocol:"-headers 
så att webb-läsaren vet och sedan går direkt på SPDY för den tjänsten därnäst 
[1].

MPTCP är tänkt att vara helt transparent för klient-koden, och även om de 
misslyckas med det så torde det bara bli en ny socket-option som klienten slår 
på per socket och ska då inte finnas någon anledning att prova med antingen 
eller[2].

[1] = 
http://www.chromium.org/spdy/spdy-protocol/spdy-protocol-draft2#TOC-Deployment

[2] = 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mptcp-architecture-05#section-2.2.1

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tor 2012-01-26 klockan 22:26 +0100 skrev Daniel Stenberg:

> Åtminstone SPDY _kan_ ju göras med happy eyeballs, men det är inte så det görs 
> idag. Google låter sina HTTP-servrar svara med "Alternate-Protocol:"-headers 
> så att webb-läsaren vet och sedan går direkt på SPDY för den tjänsten därnäst 
> [1].

Vilket ju bägge fungerar för vilken protocol upgrade som helst.

Lite förbryllande att de inte specificerat HTTP Upgrade som en metod.
Fast det klart, det ger ju en initial roundtrip extra som inte kan
pipelinas.

> MPTCP är tänkt att vara helt transparent för klient-koden, och även om de 
> misslyckas med det så torde det bara bli en ny socket-option som klienten slår 
> på per socket och ska då inte finnas någon anledning att prova med antingen 
> eller[2].

Så MPTCP "maskerar" sig som multipla TCP med TCP extensions för att
knyta ihop det hela som en MPTCP uppkoppling i endpunkterna? Och skilt
TCP window per path? Dvs i princip det samma som en applikation som
använder sig av multipla TCP strömmar plus lite klister på
applikationsnivå.

Mvh
Henrik

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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012, Henrik Nordström wrote:

> Så MPTCP "maskerar" sig som multipla TCP med TCP extensions för att knyta 
> ihop det hela som en MPTCP uppkoppling i endpunkterna? Och skilt TCP window 
> per path? Dvs i princip det samma som en applikation som använder sig av 
> multipla TCP strömmar plus lite klister på applikationsnivå.

Exakt så!

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