From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Sep 1 09:54:19 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o817s0ZC020214; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:54:07 +0200 Received: from vps1.henriknordstrom.net (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [195.20.207.177]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o817rx8R020205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:53:59 +0200 Received: from henriknordstrom.net ([IPv6:2002:51d8:9fb7::1]) by vps1.henriknordstrom.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id o817ruiI022364 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:53:58 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henriknordstrom.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o817rtcv029117 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:53:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Hackeretos och inkluderande =?ISO-8859-1?Q?spr=E5kbruk?= From: Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:53:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1283327634.25624.97.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-4.fc13) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:54:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:53:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [IPv6:2a02:750:7::d0a]); Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:53:59 +0000 (UTC) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se tis 2010-08-31 klockan 14:36 +0200 skrev Mac Ryan: > I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedish > or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that > *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockholm > the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feeling > than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities. For me it should not matter if english or Swedish being used at the writers preference. English is not an official language in Sweden, and far from everyone is comfortable with expressing their views or ideas in english. And as you correctly note Swedish is not the native language of everyone on this list. So everyone, just write in Swedish, Norwegian, Danish or English as you feel suitable. The audience is likely to understand what you are saying in either of these. Maybe some other language as well if you think the audience will understand. Kind regards Henrik _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Sep 1 13:52:48 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o81BqR3t013590; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:35 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o81BqOf3013547 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:52:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Community_Hack_II_=2F_m=C3=B6te_#3_=E2=80=93_anm=C3=A4l_er_idag?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="===============0888784664==" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:52:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:52:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============0888784664== Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hej gott folk På lördag morgon kl 9 drar vi igång Community Hack II. Anmälan kommer vara öppen till fredag lunch men om du vill haka på biobesöket så behöver vi din anmälan kl 18 idag. Notera att bion alltså är sponsrad. Om du inte kan vara med *hela* helgen så kanske du kan vara med en av dagarna i alla fall? Det är förstås helt OK! Lokalerna: Där finns bord och stolar att arbeta vid, tillgång till internet, en fåtöljhörna, projektor, ljudanläggning och till och med en fin utsikt. Vi kommer också ha tillgång till ett pentry med matbord, kaffebryggare, mikro och kylskåp. John lade upp bilder på owaspbloggen: http://owaspsweden.blogspot.com/2010/09/community-hack-ii-i-helgen.html Sponsorer: - Spotify sponsrar med läsk och snacks hela helgen. - Vi diskuterar med en frukostsponsor - Omegapoint sponsrar bio. Vi kommer försöka se filmen Salt ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944835/) som har premiär på lördag. Vill man vara med så får man se till att vara anmäld till Community Hack senast idag onsdag kl 18 eftersom vi måste boka biljetter. Separat mejl om filmen kommer gå ut till anmälda ikväll. Mer info: Information om hur man hittar lokalerna, detaljer om biobesök med mera kommer att skickas ut till alla som anmält sig. Som sagt – vill du ha biobiljett så måste vi ha din anmälan idag senast kl 18. Vi ses! -- / daniel.haxx.se --===============0888784664== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0888784664==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Sep 2 01:39:44 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o81NdOsc027789; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:39:35 +0200 Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o81NdMPN027663 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:39:22 +0200 Received: by qwg5 with SMTP id 5so449694qwg.41 for ; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+MQuQYqv+fKSquBk1VqmzVZG5XG6rOYujQ81NzLipZM=; b=pkADE2dlBcMw2fZO/+RIWETQShzxZfRiqwPSdoFfOiq5TRjwZEJ+r7+KoqrNX0AIAV 3PM+Ua1pgQpjNJluX67UY668Mg6VC9Qmqsrq1dVH7U5lPGEcYVb4k+XPEdCUlUzpAJUI A0NvN2RyrG/AkVMn3upgn8/hrghKqnV7dIG7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=p0Pk/F6384qliKENPKqZn5gdLqRMsSt7mrrdyXwJXBush7XdEFQc1yZqfVod4VWali u4VvLP6WnMkF6DfY+WgMwVMZdJayKjN8flHmX0BwOah4j44IveYEzlSwzMn4s1swa5Jk 12nlwRWCEPU6gRKEqpbMkb0vrKXQQapp3xW6M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.73.131 with SMTP id q3mr4784767qaj.44.1283384351762; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.35.69 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:39:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1283327634.25624.97.camel@henriknordstrom.net> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> <1283327634.25624.97.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:39:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Hackeretos_och_inkluderande_spr=E5kbruk?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_G=F6ransson?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:39:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:39:23 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0973781816==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0973781816== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb96665ae40048f3b34c2 --0015175cb96665ae40048f3b34c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, let's not forget Google translate. Den 1 september 2010 09:53 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m < henrik@henriknordstrom.net>: > tis 2010-08-31 klockan 14:36 +0200 skrev Mac Ryan: > > > I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedish > > or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that > > *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockholm > > the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feelin= g > > than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities. > > For me it should not matter if english or Swedish being used at the > writers preference. English is not an official language in Sweden, and > far from everyone is comfortable with expressing their views or ideas in > english. And as you correctly note Swedish is not the native language of > everyone on this list. > > So everyone, just write in Swedish, Norwegian, Danish or English as you > feel suitable. The audience is likely to understand what you are saying > in either of these. Maybe some other language as well if you think the > audience will understand. > > Kind regards > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --=20 Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning, Bj=F6rn A. G=F6ransson --0015175cb96665ae40048f3b34c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, let's not forget Google translate.

Den 1 september 2010 09:53 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m <henrik@he= nriknordstrom.net>:
tis 2010-08-31 kl= ockan 14:36 +0200 skrev Mac Ryan:

> I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedis= h
> or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that
> *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockhol= m
> the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feeli= ng
> than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities.=

For me it should not matter if english or Swedish being used at the writers preference. English is not an official language in Sweden, and
far from everyone is comfortable with expressing their views or ideas in english. And as you correctly note Swedish is not the native language of everyone on this list.

So everyone, just write in Swedish, Norwegian, Danish or English as you
feel suitable. The audience is likely to understand what you are saying
in either of these. Maybe some other language as well if you think the
audience will understand.

Kind regards
Henrik



--
Med v=E4nli= g h=E4lsning,
Bj=F6rn A. G=F6ransson
--0015175cb96665ae40048f3b34c2-- --===============0973781816== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0973781816==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Sep 3 21:06:11 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o83J5kc5008529; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:05:58 +0200 Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o83J5gNb008479 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:05:44 +0200 Received: by qwg5 with SMTP id 5so2544233qwg.41 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bhHY5QFNghoBDtke8a65en4NbwBTYbQmkIQ7J+Ps2Ik=; b=xoZldzdKjQrecwyNytMc8fqMtG/5YP3r8Qn2ifrmT5mYVWSQPClLsm8EHM4wwl3b4p O8ZV/i4DECCeYqlguTRCS6s/9UHSZFvQijZiqMyHM5UlSbgowuToE/DdcbVHHMl/X6ho S35aTEjz8tQ32nuFw4+L34fdKc1vmi4TgmhfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TuMCqEXWkQCeBRm35GTgEVXyvRg5wRVXhgpAjUmXKTt+az5xLEZohxCrGx0w/LisfV KITS3ZrMi8H17rq4DfqOVwFCek8TR4pWQ4cMynU+x9CoJXmIZ8R7/mrDgdVjs5yeUFBN qY7Oy7QdI/psKZhYx562rJ8WhrpdGaFWv1R0I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.28.137 with SMTP id m9mr237301qac.381.1283540733027; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.189.130 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:05:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Survey about gender equality and diversity within FOSS From: Hugo Heden To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:06:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:05:44 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0076068804==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0076068804== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb204726b86048f5f9de5 --0015175cb204726b86048f5f9de5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I just saw on Planet Mozilla that they're looking for people to fill in a questionnaire about gender equality and diversity within the FOSS movement. I figured that this may be interesting given the discussions we've been having here during the last week. Link to blog post: http://blog.lebedel.net/index.php?post/2010/09/03/Please-Answer-the-OWF-GED-Survey!(I'll also paste the content below for your convenience). - Hugo -- *"Open World Forum - Gender Equality and Diversity" (OWF-GED) is a non-profit organization for free/open source experts, managers and contributors wishing to help shape a more open and diverse free/open source world. * *We think that the free/open source world is based on strong values, such as liberty, altruism and collaboration. And yet, it seems that the free/open source world does not equally address both men and women. In order to better understand the place of women in the free/open source world, we have developed a survey for the communities, companies and players of the free/open source world. * *As a member of the Free/open source world, your opinion is very important to us. We would be truly thankful if you could take no more than 10 minutes to complete the following questionnaire: * *http://owf-ged-poll.limequery.com/71557* *The results will be analysed by researchers in Education Sciences at Paris Descartes University and released at the Open World Forum on September 30th in Paris: www.openworldforum.org.* *Should you have any questions, comments or wish to contact us, please send an email to owf-ged@april.org* *We thank you for your contribution! * *On behalf of the Diversity Summit Team,* *Delphine* * * --0015175cb204726b86048f5f9de5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I just saw on Planet M= ozilla that they're looking for people to fill in a questionnaire a= bout gender equality and diversity within the FOSS movement.

I figu= red that this may be interesting given the discussions we've been havin= g here during the last week.

Link to blog post: http://blog.lebedel.net/index= .php?post/2010/09/03/Please-Answer-the-OWF-GED-Survey! (I'll also p= aste the content below for your convenience).


=A0- Hugo

--

"Open= World Forum - Gender Equality and=20 Diversity" (OWF-GED) is a non-profit organization for free/open source= =20 experts, managers and contributors wishing to help shape a more open and diverse free/open source world.

We think that the free/open source world is based on strong values,= =20 such as liberty, altruism and collaboration. And yet, it seems that the=20 free/open source world does not equally address both men and women. In=20 order to better understand the place of women in the free/open source=20 world, we have developed a survey for the communities, companies and=20 players of the free/open source world.

As a member of the Free/open source world, your opinion is very=20 important to us. We would be truly thankful if you could take no more=20 than 10 minutes to complete the following questionnaire:

http://owf-ged-poll.limequery.com/71557

The results will be analysed by researchers in Education Sciences at= =20 Paris Descartes University and released at the Open World Forum on=20 September 30th in Paris: www.openworldforum.org.

Should you have any questions, comments or wish to contact us, please= send an email to owf-ged@april.org

We thank you for your contribution!

On behalf of the Diversity Summit Team,

Delphine


--0015175cb204726b86048f5f9de5-- --===============0076068804== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0076068804==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Sep 3 23:48:34 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o83LmGui005280; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:48:23 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o83LmFfr005272 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:48:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:48:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?anm=E4lan_=F6ppnar_till_m=F6te_4?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-157681475-1283550495=:11373" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:48:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:48:15 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-157681475-1283550495=:11373 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hejsan Jag vill härmed säga att vi tar emot anmälningar till möte 4, den 26:e oktober klockan 13:00 - 17:00. Se http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html Berätta gärna om detta för de ni tror är intresserade. Evenemanget är ännu en gång helt gratis. Ett stort tack till .SE som står för lokalerna och fika. Denna gång är det mer begränsat med platser, och vi kan inte släppa in fler än 110 personer. Först till kvarn helt enkelt - de som anmäler sig i tid får plats. Det betyder också att vi MYCKET GÄRNA vill ha era avanmälningar ifall ni senare kommer på att ni inte kan komma trots allt. Jag har inte programmet spikat ännu, men det lutar just nu åt att det blir Android, Meego, Patent och Linuxdrivers som kommer avhandlas. Jag hoppas att jag får alla föredrag/talare bekräftade och helt inplanerade inom någon vecka eller två och att programmet på webbsidan får ordentliga beskrivningar över allt etc. Ifall något företag vill synas där så tycker jag det vore intressant med sponsrade mackor eller något liknande _efter_ mötet så att vi sedan kan parkera oss på ett ställe i närheten och fortsätta foss-snacket med något i magen. -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-157681475-1283550495=:11373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-157681475-1283550495=:11373-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Sep 5 14:41:51 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o85CfUI7002721; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:41:39 +0200 Received: from snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.101]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o85CfSQc002700 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:41:28 +0200 Received: from SNT135-W33 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s26.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Sep 2010 05:41:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.100.110.172] From: Martin Jernberg To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_anm=E4la?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?n_=F6ppnar_t?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ill_m=F6te_4?= Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:41:20 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2010 12:41:21.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4943300:01CB4CF7] X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:41:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:41:29 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1288863939==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============1288863939== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5c0eee0f-03da-4b2a-a124-ec3bdd59f8af_" --_5c0eee0f-03da-4b2a-a124-ec3bdd59f8af_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jag dyker upp=2C om inte n=E5t kommer upp =20 Date: Fri=2C 3 Sep 2010 23:48:15 +0200 From: daniel@haxx.se To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: anm=E4lan =F6ppnar till m=F6te 4 Hejsan =20 Jag vill h=E4rmed s=E4ga att vi tar emot anm=E4lningar till m=F6te 4=2C den= 26:e oktober=20 klockan 13:00 - 17:00. Se http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html =20 Ber=E4tta g=E4rna om detta f=F6r de ni tror =E4r intresserade. Evenemanget = =E4r =E4nnu en=20 g=E5ng helt gratis. Ett stort tack till .SE som st=E5r f=F6r lokalerna och = fika. =20 Denna g=E5ng =E4r det mer begr=E4nsat med platser=2C och vi kan inte sl=E4p= pa in fler =E4n=20 110 personer. F=F6rst till kvarn helt enkelt - de som anm=E4ler sig i tid f= =E5r=20 plats. Det betyder ocks=E5 att vi MYCKET G=C4RNA vill ha era avanm=E4lninga= r ifall=20 ni senare kommer p=E5 att ni inte kan komma trots allt. =20 Jag har inte programmet spikat =E4nnu=2C men det lutar just nu =E5t att det= blir=20 Android=2C Meego=2C Patent och Linuxdrivers som kommer avhandlas. Jag hoppa= s att=20 jag f=E5r alla f=F6redrag/talare bekr=E4ftade och helt inplanerade inom n= =E5gon vecka=20 eller tv=E5 och att programmet p=E5 webbsidan f=E5r ordentliga beskrivninga= r =F6ver=20 allt etc. =20 Ifall n=E5got f=F6retag vill synas d=E4r s=E5 tycker jag det vore intressan= t med=20 sponsrade mackor eller n=E5got liknande _efter_ m=F6tet s=E5 att vi sedan k= an=20 parkera oss p=E5 ett st=E4lle i n=E4rheten och forts=E4tta foss-snacket med= n=E5got i=20 magen. =20 --=20 =20 / daniel.haxx.se _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm = --_5c0eee0f-03da-4b2a-a124-ec3bdd59f8af_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jag dyker upp=2C om inte n=E5t kommer upp  =3B

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To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.= se
Subject: anm=E4lan =F6ppnar till m=F6te 4

Hejsan
 
=
Jag vill h=E4rmed s=E4ga att vi tar emot anm=E4lningar till m=F6te 4=2C den=
 26:e oktober 
klockan 13:00 - 17:00. Se http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html
 
Ber=E4tta g=E4rna om detta f=F6r de ni tror =E4r intresserade. Ev=
enemanget =E4r =E4nnu en 
g=E5ng helt gratis. Ett stort tack till .SE so=
m st=E5r f=F6r lokalerna och fika.
 
Denna g=E5ng =E4r det mer begr=
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110 person=
er. F=F6rst till kvarn helt enkelt - de som anm=E4ler sig i tid f=E5r 
p=
lats. Det betyder ocks=E5 att vi MYCKET G=C4RNA vill ha era avanm=E4lningar=
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ni senare kommer p=E5 att ni inte kan komma trots allt.
 
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Android=2C Meego=2C Patent och Linuxdrivers som kommer avhandlas.=
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jag f=E5r alla f=F6redrag/talare bekr=E4ftade och helt =
inplanerade inom n=E5gon vecka 
eller tv=E5 och att programmet p=E5 webb=
sidan f=E5r ordentliga beskrivningar =F6ver 
allt etc.
 
Ifall n=
=E5got f=F6retag vill synas d=E4r s=E5 tycker jag det vore intressant med <=
br>sponsrade mackor eller n=E5got liknande _efter_ m=F6tet s=E5 att vi seda=
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parkera oss p=E5 ett st=E4lle i n=E4rheten och forts=E4tta foss-s=
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magen.
 
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                      Invitation

                 Registration now open!

       Free Society Conference and Nordic Summit
       Gothenburg, Sweden, 5-7th November 2010

                http://www.fscons.org/

The Free Society Conference and Nordic Summit (FSCONS) is the Nordic
countries largest meeting place between Free Software, Free and Digital
Culture and Free Society. Gathered around a series of interesting themes,
more than 50 speakers will talk on a wide array of topics that engage
and inform.

Topics for 2010 include embedded systems, ethics, digital infrastructure,
rapid prototyping, hackerspaces, decentralised networks, free software,
forks of the free software philosophy and social movements.

During the conference, organisations and projects will also be available
and present their work including the Fedora Community, Creative Commons,
Free Software Foundation Europe and the RepRap Project.

  Speakers and sessions

The full program of the conference can be found on http://fscons.org/program

Among the speakers can be found Erik de Bruijn (NL) from the RepRap project
talking about rapid prototyping and open hardware; Glyn Moody (UK), author =
of
the Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution will talk about the
ethics of intellectual monopolies; Alessandro Rubini, author of Linux Device
Drivers, will talk data structures benchmarked in the Linux kernel and
Karin Kosina vka kyrah will talk about the inanna project, an experiment
in art, technology, and the transformative power of free hardware and
software.

During the conference days, a number of workshops will also be organised,
with topics such as Free Software in Swedish schools, packaging for Debian
using Git, and File System Formats.


  Registration

Registration is now open at http://fscons.org/register and starts at
30 Euro for a normal registration.

The registration includes access to all of the conference program, all
social events (including dinner during the Saturday social event) and coffee
and tea during the two conference days.

We hope to see you in Gothenburg in November!

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, FSCONS wrote:

> Speakers and sessions

Undertecknad kommer att ha två dragningar där, och jag vet att flera andra 
namn kända i foss-sthlm-sammanhang kommer närvara. Plus förstås massor med 
andra.

FSCONS är helt enkelt det största foss-evenemang vi har på de här 
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Vi ses där!

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har bokat biljetter=2C hotell=2C osv=2C s=E5 kommer dit=20

Date: Fri=2C 10 Sep 2010 19:12:30 +0200
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To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
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On Fri=2C 10 Sep 2010=2C FSCONS wrote:
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andra.
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Vi ses d=E4r!
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ol.haxx.se
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On Fri=2C 10 =
Sep 2010=2C FSCONS wrote:
 
>=3B Speakers and sessions
 
Unde=
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a 
namn k=E4nda i foss-sthlm-sammanhang kommer n=E4rvara. Plus f=F6rst=
=E5s massor med 
andra.
 
FSCONS =E4r helt enkelt det st=F6rsta fo=
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Vi ses d=E4r!<=
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Hejsan

Vi är redan nu uppe i över 40 anmälda till mötet. Anmäl dig du också i tid så 
får du plats!

 	http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html

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Hejsan

Jag vill bara passa på att påpeka att vi fortfarande "samlar" på projekt som 
folk inom foss-sthlm medverkar inom. Detta för att visa hela världen hur bra 
och coola vi är, men kanske mest för att vi själva ska se vilka vi är och 
vilka projekt som det kan tänkas att vi kan få förstahands-information och 
-hjälp inom.

Så ifall du kollar på vår (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ ) och inte hittar "dina" projekt. Säg gärna till, 
antingen direkt här eller till mig privat.

När vi ändå är inne på att tala ut, så ta gärna också tillfället i akt och 
berätta vilka ämnen som du kan tänka dig att hålla föredrag om på kommande 
möten.

Eller kanske: finns det en eller två personer som känner för att dra en snabb- 
presentation (max 5 minuter) av sitt projekt redan på nästa möte?

PS. vi gick nyss upp till över 50 anmälda. Hjälp gärna till och se till att 
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m=E5n 2010-09-13 klockan 23:37 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg:

> S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
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fribid saknas.

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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Jonas Bosson wrote:

> FFII kan berätta om vad som händer på patentfronten både här i EU där vi är 
> aktiva att bevaka och påverka och i USA där saker händer allt snabbare just 
> nu.

Hej Jonas,

Jag har skrivit till dig privat nu två gånger men jag får inga svar - därför 
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> S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
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S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (

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h=E4r =E4r en l=E4nk till endrov!

www.endrov.net

Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> Hejsan
>
> Jag vill bara passa p=E5 att p=E5peka att vi fortfarande "samlar" p=E5 =

> projekt som folk inom foss-sthlm medverkar inom. Detta f=F6r att visa =

> hela v=E4rlden hur bra och coola vi =E4r, men kanske mest f=F6r att vi =

> sj=E4lva ska se vilka vi =E4r och vilka projekt som det kan t=E4nkas att =
vi =

> kan f=E5 f=F6rstahands-information och -hj=E4lp inom.
>
> S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ ) och inte hittar "dina" projekt. S=E4g g=E4rn=
a =

> till, antingen direkt h=E4r eller till mig privat.
>
> N=E4r vi =E4nd=E5 =E4r inne p=E5 att tala ut, s=E5 ta g=E4rna ocks=E5 til=
lf=E4llet i akt =

> och ber=E4tta vilka =E4mnen som du kan t=E4nka dig att h=E5lla f=F6redrag=
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> kommande m=F6ten.
>
> Eller kanske: finns det en eller tv=E5 personer som k=E4nner f=F6r att dr=
a =

> en snabb- presentation (max 5 minuter) av sitt projekt redan p=E5 n=E4sta =

> m=F6te?
>
> PS. vi gick nyss upp till =F6ver 50 anm=E4lda. Hj=E4lp g=E4rna till och s=
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> till att folk som b=F6r f=E5 veta om v=E5rt evenemang f=E5r en bl=E4nkare.
>
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Hej,

Vi utvecklar EJBCA (http://www.ejbca.org) och SignServer
(http://www.signserver.org).
Man kan v=E4l s=E4ga att vi =E4ven representerar BouncyCastle
(http://www.bouncycastle.org).

Kan g=E4rna h=E5lla f=F6redrag om PKI, digitala signaturer, eID, kryptering
etc. Kan dock inte medverka p=E5 det kommande m=F6tet.

Mvh,
Tomas

On 09/13/2010 11:37 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> Hejsan
> =

> Jag vill bara passa p=E5 att p=E5peka att vi fortfarande "samlar" p=E5 pr=
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ilka
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Hej,
tror vi =E4r det enda svenska f=F6retaget som arbetar med Common-Lisp? En d=
el
blir open-source till exempel en objektdatabas
http://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ och json
http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-json/

Som en parentes kan jag kan t=E4nkta mig att tala om Common-Lisp.

/Henrik Hjelte

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2010/9/13 Daniel Stenberg =
<daniel@haxx.se>



S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (

http://foss-sthlm.=
haxx.se/ ) och inte hittar "dina" projekt. S=E4g g=E4rna till=
, antingen direkt h=E4r eller till mig privat.
=A0

Hej,
tror vi =E4r det enda svenska f=F6retaget som arbetar med Co=
mmon-Lisp?=A0En del blir open-source till exempel en objektdatabas http://common-lisp.net/projec=
t/elephant/ och json http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-json/



Som en parentes kan jag kan t=E4nkta mig att tala om Co=
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/Henrik Hjelte


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Tjena Daniel,

Du har lyckats f=E5 bra fart p=E5 denna organisation vore v=E4ldigt kul  =

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jobbar igen.

Har skapat ett klientbibliotek (credis) mot Redis key value store:

http://code.google.com/p/credis/

____

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+46 738 377 355


13 sep 2010 kl. 23.37 skrev Daniel Stenberg :

> Hejsan
>
> Jag vill bara passa p=E5 att p=E5peka att vi fortfarande "samlar" p=E5  =

> projekt som folk inom foss-sthlm medverkar inom. Detta f=F6r att visa  =

> hela v=E4rlden hur bra och coola vi =E4r, men kanske mest f=F6r att vi  =

> sj=E4lva ska se vilka vi =E4r och vilka projekt som det kan t=E4nkas att  =

> vi kan f=E5 f=F6rstahands-information och -hj=E4lp inom.
>
> S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ ) och inte hittar "dina" projekt. S=E4g g=E4r =

> na till, antingen direkt h=E4r eller till mig privat.
>
> N=E4r vi =E4nd=E5 =E4r inne p=E5 att tala ut, s=E5 ta g=E4rna ocks=E5  =

> tillf=E4llet i akt och ber=E4tta vilka =E4mnen som du kan t=E4nka dig att=
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>
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> dra en snabb- presentation (max 5 minuter) av sitt projekt redan p=E5  =

> n=E4sta m=F6te?
>
> PS. vi gick nyss upp till =F6ver 50 anm=E4lda. Hj=E4lp g=E4rna till och  =

> se till att folk som b=F6r f=E5 veta om v=E5rt evenemang f=E5r en bl=E4nk=
ar =

> e.
>
> -- =

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Henrik Hjelte wrote:

> Som en parentes kan jag kan tänkta mig att tala om Common-Lisp.

Kanon. Jag gör en anteckning om det för möte #5. Kanske framåt januari eller 
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Tomas Gustavsson wrote:

> Kan gärna hålla föredrag om PKI, digitala signaturer, eID, kryptering etc.

Skoj. Jag lägger in det som potentiellt föredrag för möte #5, nån gång tidigt 
2011...


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Snälla, att skänka bort prylar har inte mycket med foss att göra. Skicka inte 
era annonser på den här listan. De av oss som vill ha prylar, bortskänkta 
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m=E5ndagen den 13 september 2010 23.37.48 skrev  Daniel Stenberg:
> Hejsan
> =

> Jag vill bara passa p=E5 att p=E5peka att vi fortfarande "samlar" p=E5 pr=
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> =E4r och vilka projekt som det kan t=E4nkas att vi kan f=E5
> f=F6rstahands-information och -hj=E4lp inom.
> =

> S=E5 ifall du kollar p=E5 v=E5r (mycket flashiga) sajts framsida (
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ ) och inte hittar "dina" projekt. S=E4g g=E4rna
> till, antingen direkt h=E4r eller till mig privat.

JGit, EGit och Git =E4r de projekt jag =E4r aktiv i. =

http://eclipse.org/egit/
http://eclipse.org/jgit
http://git-scm.com/

> N=E4r vi =E4nd=E5 =E4r inne p=E5 att tala ut, s=E5 ta g=E4rna ocks=E5 til=
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> ber=E4tta vilka =E4mnen som du kan t=E4nka dig att h=E5lla f=F6redrag om =
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> m=F6ten.

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> Git, Eclipse, Gerrit Code Review/Granskning via mail/bugzilla om nån är 
> intresserad.

Mycket! Jag noterar det som potentiellt ämnet för #5 ...

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T=C3=A4nkte att detta kan vara n=C3=A5got intressant f=C3=B6r denna lista.
Samy =C3=A4r i princip Cross Site Scriptings fader, som tog ner myspace :P

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Hej OWASP Sweden!

Samys f=C3=B6redrag m=C3=A5ndag 4/10 kommer n=C3=A4rmare och vi har nu klar=
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Se till att bjuda in alla som kan vara intresserade!
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Alla anm=C3=A4ler sig till eventet h=C3=A4r: http://samykamkar.eventbrite.c=
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Karta:
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men%2fMarievik%2c+Stockholm

   Vi ses!
   Mvh, John


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Hej OWASP Sweden!

Samys f=F6redrag m=E5ndag 4=
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kningar. Data@UrService hj=E4lper till med ers=E4ttningen till Samy och Nex=
us Safe st=E4ller upp med lokal, mat och dryck. Stort tack!



Inbjudan i pdf-form finns h=E4r:
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De =
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Karta:



=A0=A0 Vi ses!
=A0=A0 Mvh, John

-- 
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nkar
om det som jag g=E4rna diskuterar. Nedan kopplar jag =E4ven ihop det med n=
=E5gra
synpunkter som luftades under diskussionen f=F6r n=E5gra veckor sedan.

Min f=F6rhoppning var, =E4r och kommer hela tiden att vara att diskussioner=
na
vi f=F6r p=E5 listan kommer att utveckla och st=E4rka v=E5r grupp, och FOSS=
 inom
v=E5r region.


=C4r FOSS bara teknik?

Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!

Fri programvara =E4r politik i grunden, tekniken =E4r en bisak, det =E4r fr=
iheten
som =E4r det viktiga. Fri programvara startades som en motkraft till den
v=E4xande propriet=E4ra programvaruutvecklingen, det handlar helt enkelt om=
 hur
vi ska hantera makten som programvara ger upphov till. Fri programvara
handlar om att f=F6r=E4ndra (programvaru)samh=E4llet.

=C4ven Open Source =E4r mest (f=F6retags)politik, det =E4r en modell och me=
tod f=F6r
hur programvaruutveckling ska g=E5 tillv=E4ga. Open Source-r=F6relsen vill
f=F6r=E4ndra f=F6retagens centraliserade, st=E4ngda och hemliga utvecklings=
metod
till en mer =F6ppen och inkluderande utveckling av sina produkter. En mer
hackerv=E4nlig f=F6retagspolitik allts=E5!

Om vi reducerar FOSS och denna listas omf=E5ng till att bara behandla teknik
s=E5 hade relevanta diskussioner varit generell programmering och
teknikprodukter. Vad som nu faktiskt skiljer v=E5r grupp fr=E5n s=E4g IDG o=
ch
Prylfeber etc =E4r att vi har fokus p=E5 *FRI* programvara och teknik, det =
vill
s=E4ga politik.

Tappar vi friheten fr=E5n v=E5rt fokus f=F6rlorar vi ocks=E5 hela syftet med
gruppen (tycker jag).


FOSS, Frihet och Yttrandefrihet

Det framf=F6rdes synpunkter om att det ska r=E5da yttrandefrihet p=E5 lista=
n. Jag
h=E5ller helt och h=E5llet med! Det b=F6r vara m=F6jligt att kunna kritiser=
a och
analysera skeenden i gruppen och p=E5 listan, annars r=E5der inte n=E5gon
yttrandefrihet.

Sj=E4lvklart inneb=E4r det att alla har r=E4tt att sk=E4mta om vad de vill,=
 p=E5
precis samma s=E4tt =E4r det allas r=E4tt att d=E5 kritisera dessa uttaland=
en. Man
f=E5r helt enkelt ta konsekvenserna f=F6r vad man s=E4ger, helt i linje med
yttrandefriheten. :-)


Vilka =E4r listan och gruppen f=F6r, vilken =E4r den t=E4nkta publiken?

En grupp d=E4r kritik =E4r ov=E4lkommet och god samtalston fr=E5ng=E5s risk=
erar att
f=E5 en viss gruppdynamik. Gruppen riskerar att bli en navelsk=E5dande grupp
f=F6r inb=F6rdes beundran d=E4r respekt inte =E4r r=E5dande. I f=F6rl=E4ngn=
ingen riskerar
s=E5dana grupper att stagnera. Vill vi att detta inte ska h=E4nda, utan
ist=E4llet vill ha en bred, inkluderande och livfull grupp *m=E5ste vi*
(emellan=E5t) fundera p=E5 och diskutera hur vi kommunicerar inom gruppen,
likas=E5 ut=E5t. Det =E4r inget konstigt, det =E4r simpel PR och respekt f=
=F6r
varandra.


Vad vill vi?

Det =E4r v=E4ldigt intressant. Jag kan ju bara tala f=F6r mig sj=E4lv h=E4r=
. Min
=F6nskan =E4r att gruppen dels knyter samman de FOSS-utvecklare och -anv=E4=
ndare
som redan finns, likas=E5 som gruppen (och listan) kan agera ett f=F6rsta s=
teg
in i FOSS-v=E4rlden f=F6r intresserade.

Ett exempel p=E5 verksamhet skulle kunna vara en temakv=E4ll f=F6r FOSS i s=
kolan,
f=F6r att locka, knyta kontakter med och diskutera med, nya anv=E4ndare och
organisationer. I och med det kan vi knyta an flera och olika
intresserenter: Tekniker, l=E4rare, elever etc. Alla har sina vinklar p=E5,=
 och
behov av, teknik och programvara, d=E4remot f=F6ruts=E4tts det att v=E5r gr=
upp kan
g=F6ra att alla dessa olika m=E4nniskor kan k=E4nna sig v=E4lkomna, oavsett=
 vad de
har f=F6r bakgrund eller intresse.


Jag ser fram emot en ljus framtid med en diskussionsrik och livskraftig
foss-sthlm-grupp. :-)


V=E4nligen,
Per
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 15:32, Per Andersson wrote:
>=20
> =C4r FOSS bara teknik?

Yes. FOSS is an acronym for Free Open Source Software. Software is =
inherently technical as it requires a computer to run it.

> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!

No. You'll need to prove this statement with evidence.
>=20
> Fri programvara =E4r politik i grunden, tekniken =E4r en bisak, det =E4r=
 friheten
> som =E4r det viktiga.

It isn't politics. It is a combination of licensing and software. This =
combination may or may not have political implications depending on your =
view or how you extrapolate the combination.

> Fri programvara startades som en motkraft till den
> v=E4xande propriet=E4ra programvaruutvecklingen,

Which demonstrates why it is inherently technical - it has a very, very =
limited scope.

> det handlar helt enkelt om hur
> vi ska hantera makten som programvara ger upphov till.

There is no inherent power or 'makt' in a piece of software if it cannot =
be run. It is computer code, not a political manifesto.

> Fri programvara
> handlar om att f=F6r=E4ndra (programvaru)samh=E4llet.

This is where you are forced to make a false assertion. You are =
conflating to separate, or largely disparate disciplines. Free Software =
is merely a part of society, a very small part.

> =C4ven Open Source =E4r mest (f=F6retags)politik, det =E4r en modell =
och metod f=F6r
> hur programvaruutveckling ska g=E5 tillv=E4ga. Open Source-r=F6relsen =
vill
> f=F6r=E4ndra f=F6retagens centraliserade, st=E4ngda och hemliga =
utvecklingsmetod
> till en mer =F6ppen och inkluderande utveckling av sina produkter. En =
mer
> hackerv=E4nlig f=F6retagspolitik allts=E5!

You will have to demonstrate how this will occur and provide evidence. =
Decentralization is occurring through the use of the Internet and =
network theory, Wikileaks is evidence of this, but Open Source has had a =
very limited affect on politics or government.

> Om vi reducerar FOSS och denna listas omf=E5ng till att bara behandla =
teknik
> s=E5 hade relevanta diskussioner varit generell programmering och
> teknikprodukter. Vad som nu faktiskt skiljer v=E5r grupp fr=E5n s=E4g =
IDG och
> Prylfeber etc =E4r att vi har fokus p=E5 *FRI* programvara och teknik, =
det vill
> s=E4ga politik.

You want it to be politics. And that is fine, but there is no inherent =
need for it to be political. There is an inherent need for it to be =
technical.=20

>=20
> Tappar vi friheten fr=E5n v=E5rt fokus f=F6rlorar vi ocks=E5 hela =
syftet med
> gruppen (tycker jag).
>=20
>=20
> FOSS, Frihet och Yttrandefrihet
>=20
> Det framf=F6rdes synpunkter om att det ska r=E5da yttrandefrihet p=E5 =
listan. Jag
> h=E5ller helt och h=E5llet med! Det b=F6r vara m=F6jligt att kunna =
kritisera och
> analysera skeenden i gruppen och p=E5 listan, annars r=E5der inte =
n=E5gon
> yttrandefrihet.

The discussion of freedom of speech is off topic on a technical list.=20
>=20
> Sj=E4lvklart inneb=E4r det att alla har r=E4tt att sk=E4mta om vad de =
vill, p=E5
> precis samma s=E4tt =E4r det allas r=E4tt att d=E5 kritisera dessa =
uttalanden. Man
> f=E5r helt enkelt ta konsekvenserna f=F6r vad man s=E4ger, helt i =
linje med
> yttrandefriheten. :-)

> Vilka =E4r listan och gruppen f=F6r, vilken =E4r den t=E4nkta =
publiken?

To me it seems self-evident. The discussion of Free Software and its =
use, study, modification and creation. Everything else is off topic. =
This of course doesn't mean that these other topics shouldn't be =
discussed, it just means that this specific list is for the discussion =
of a very specific topic.
>=20
> En grupp d=E4r kritik =E4r ov=E4lkommet och god samtalston fr=E5ng=E5s =
riskerar att
> f=E5 en viss gruppdynamik. Gruppen riskerar att bli en navelsk=E5dande =
grupp
> f=F6r inb=F6rdes beundran d=E4r respekt inte =E4r r=E5dande. I =
f=F6rl=E4ngningen riskerar
> s=E5dana grupper att stagnera. Vill vi att detta inte ska h=E4nda, =
utan
> ist=E4llet vill ha en bred, inkluderande och livfull grupp *m=E5ste =
vi*
> (emellan=E5t) fundera p=E5 och diskutera hur vi kommunicerar inom =
gruppen,
> likas=E5 ut=E5t. Det =E4r inget konstigt, det =E4r simpel PR och =
respekt f=F6r
> varandra.
>=20
> Vad vill vi?
>=20
> Det =E4r v=E4ldigt intressant. Jag kan ju bara tala f=F6r mig sj=E4lv =
h=E4r. Min
> =F6nskan =E4r att gruppen dels knyter samman de FOSS-utvecklare och =
-anv=E4ndare
> som redan finns, likas=E5 som gruppen (och listan) kan agera ett =
f=F6rsta steg
> in i FOSS-v=E4rlden f=F6r intresserade.

Personally I think Sweden is behind other nations in the use of Free =
Software in the public and private sector. I'd like this list to be a =
vibrant place where people learn how to use Free Software to develop =
their software business, or just get their work done. I'll discuss free =
speech somewhere else.
>=20
> Ett exempel p=E5 verksamhet skulle kunna vara en temakv=E4ll f=F6r =
FOSS i skolan,
> f=F6r att locka, knyta kontakter med och diskutera med, nya anv=E4ndare =
och
> organisationer. I och med det kan vi knyta an flera och olika
> intresserenter: Tekniker, l=E4rare, elever etc. Alla har sina vinklar =
p=E5, och
> behov av, teknik och programvara, d=E4remot f=F6ruts=E4tts det att v=E5r=
 grupp kan
> g=F6ra att alla dessa olika m=E4nniskor kan k=E4nna sig v=E4lkomna, =
oavsett vad de
> har f=F6r bakgrund eller intresse.
>=20
>=20
> Jag ser fram emot en ljus framtid med en diskussionsrik och =
livskraftig
> foss-sthlm-grupp. :-)

Me as well.

Jeremiah=

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=C4r FOSS bara =
teknik?

Yes. FOSS is an =
acronym for Free Open Source Software. Software is inherently technical =
as it requires a computer to run it.

Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till =
st=F6rsta politik!

No. You'll =
need to prove this statement with evidence.

Fri programvara =E4r politik i grunden, tekniken =
=E4r en bisak, det =E4r friheten
som =E4r det =
viktiga.

It isn't politics. It is =
a combination of licensing and software. This combination may or may not =
have political implications depending on your view or how you =
extrapolate the combination.

 =
Fri programvara startades som en motkraft till den
v=E4xande =
propriet=E4ra =
programvaruutvecklingen,

Which =
demonstrates why it is inherently technical - it has a very, very =
limited scope.

 det handlar helt =
enkelt om hur
vi ska hantera makten som programvara ger upphov =
till.

There is no inherent power =
or 'makt' in a piece of software if it cannot be run. It is computer =
code, not a political manifesto.

 =
Fri programvara
handlar om att f=F6r=E4ndra =
(programvaru)samh=E4llet.

This is =
where you are forced to make a false assertion. You are conflating to =
separate, or largely disparate disciplines. Free Software is merely a =
part of society, a very small part.

=C4ven Open Source =E4r mest (f=F6retags)politik, det =
=E4r en modell och metod f=F6r
hur programvaruutveckling ska g=E5 =
tillv=E4ga. Open Source-r=F6relsen vill
f=F6r=E4ndra f=F6retagens =
centraliserade, st=E4ngda och hemliga utvecklingsmetod
till en mer =
=F6ppen och inkluderande utveckling av sina produkter. En =
mer
hackerv=E4nlig f=F6retagspolitik =
allts=E5!

You will have to =
demonstrate how this will occur and provide evidence. Decentralization =
is occurring through the use of the Internet and network theory, =
Wikileaks is evidence of this, but Open Source has had a very limited =
affect on politics or government.

Om vi reducerar FOSS och denna listas omf=E5ng till =
att bara behandla teknik
s=E5 hade relevanta diskussioner varit =
generell programmering och
teknikprodukter. Vad som nu faktiskt =
skiljer v=E5r grupp fr=E5n s=E4g IDG och
Prylfeber etc =E4r att vi =
har fokus p=E5 *FRI* programvara och teknik, det vill
s=E4ga =
politik.

You want it to be =
politics. And that is fine, but there is no inherent need for it to be =
political. There is an inherent need for it to be =
technical. 


Tappar vi friheten fr=E5n v=E5rt fokus f=F6rlorar =
vi ocks=E5 hela syftet med
gruppen (tycker jag).


FOSS, =
Frihet och Yttrandefrihet

Det framf=F6rdes synpunkter om att det =
ska r=E5da yttrandefrihet p=E5 listan. Jag
h=E5ller helt och h=E5llet =
med! Det b=F6r vara m=F6jligt att kunna kritisera och
analysera =
skeenden i gruppen och p=E5 listan, annars r=E5der inte =
n=E5gon
yttrandefrihet.

The =
discussion of freedom of speech is off topic on a technical =
list. 

Sj=E4lvklart inneb=E4r=
 det att alla har r=E4tt att sk=E4mta om vad de vill, p=E5
precis =
samma s=E4tt =E4r det allas r=E4tt att d=E5 kritisera dessa uttalanden. =
Man
f=E5r helt enkelt ta konsekvenserna f=F6r vad man s=E4ger, helt i =
linje med
yttrandefriheten. =
:-)

Vilka =E4r listan och gruppen f=F6r, vilken =E4r den =
t=E4nkta publiken?

To me it =
seems self-evident. The discussion of Free Software and its use, study, =
modification and creation. Everything else is off topic. This of course =
doesn't mean that these other topics shouldn't be discussed, it just =
means that this specific list is for the discussion of a very specific =
topic.

En grupp d=E4r kritik =E4r =
ov=E4lkommet och god samtalston fr=E5ng=E5s riskerar att
f=E5 en viss =
gruppdynamik. Gruppen riskerar att bli en navelsk=E5dande grupp
f=F6r =
inb=F6rdes beundran d=E4r respekt inte =E4r r=E5dande. I f=F6rl=E4ngningen=
 riskerar
s=E5dana grupper att stagnera. Vill vi att detta inte ska =
h=E4nda, utan
ist=E4llet vill ha en bred, inkluderande och livfull =
grupp *m=E5ste vi*
(emellan=E5t) fundera p=E5 och diskutera hur vi =
kommunicerar inom gruppen,
likas=E5 ut=E5t. Det =E4r inget konstigt, =
det =E4r simpel PR och respekt =
f=F6r
varandra.

Vad vill vi?

Det =E4r v=E4ldigt =
intressant. Jag kan ju bara tala f=F6r mig sj=E4lv h=E4r. Min
=F6nskan =
=E4r att gruppen dels knyter samman de FOSS-utvecklare och =
-anv=E4ndare
som redan finns, likas=E5 som gruppen (och listan) kan =
agera ett f=F6rsta steg
in i FOSS-v=E4rlden f=F6r =
intresserade.

Personally I =
think Sweden is behind other nations in the use of Free Software in the =
public and private sector. I'd like this list to be a vibrant place =
where people learn how to use Free Software to develop their software =
business, or just get their work done. I'll discuss free speech =
somewhere else.

Ett exempel p=E5 =
verksamhet skulle kunna vara en temakv=E4ll f=F6r FOSS i skolan,
f=F6r =
att locka, knyta kontakter med och diskutera med, nya anv=E4ndare =
och
organisationer. I och med det kan vi knyta an flera och =
olika
intresserenter: Tekniker, l=E4rare, elever etc. Alla har sina =
vinklar p=E5, och
behov av, teknik och programvara, d=E4remot =
f=F6ruts=E4tts det att v=E5r grupp kan
g=F6ra att alla dessa olika =
m=E4nniskor kan k=E4nna sig v=E4lkomna, oavsett vad de
har f=F6r =
bakgrund eller intresse.


Jag ser fram emot en ljus framtid =
med en diskussionsrik och livskraftig
foss-sthlm-grupp. :-)

Me =
as well.

Jeremiah
=

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On Friday 24 September 2010 15.32.33 Per Andersson wrote:
> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!
> =

> Fri programvara =E4r politik i grunden, tekniken =E4r en bisak, det =E4r =
friheten
> som =E4r det viktiga. Fri programvara startades som en motkraft till den
> v=E4xande propriet=E4ra programvaruutvecklingen, det handlar helt enkelt =
om hur
> vi ska hantera makten som programvara ger upphov till. Fri programvara
> handlar om att f=F6r=E4ndra (programvaru)samh=E4llet.

Politik =E4r ett ord, aff=E4rer =E4r ett annan, men vi pratar kanske i grun=
den om =

det samma men med olika ord:

FOSS kan vara rena aff=E4rer ocks=E5 och p=E5v=E4rker n=E5gra helt grundl=
=E4ggande =

aff=E4rsprincip. Dessa princip =E4r bara m=F6jliga med FOSS:

-Outsourca aldrig det som =E4r aff=E4rskritiskt.
-Ha kontroll.
-T=E4nk l=E5ngsiktig.
-Var aldrig beroende av en leverant=F6r f=F6r att foretaket ska fungera.

Jag har pratat med m=E5nga ledare om det h=E4r h=E4r och dessa fyra punkter=
 h=E5ller =

de flesta om - det man ofte inte t=E4nker p=E5 =E4r att de bryter med ett e=
ller =

flera punkt om de anv=E4nder propriet=E4ra system som en st=E4ngt UNIX (tex=
 OSX, =

eller HP-UX) eller Windows. Har en slags k=E4nsla av att det =E4r en form f=
=F6r =

f=F6rnekelse: Det =E4r tex hur farligt som h=E4lst att r=F6ka, men man stru=
nter ofta  =

helt enkelt i att t=E4nka p=E5 det eller g=F6ra n=E5got =E5t det.

S=E5 FOSS =E4r ocks=E5 aff=E4rer - och det f=F6r allt flera.

Jostein
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On 24 sep 2010, at 17.43, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
> Jag har pratat med m=E5nga ledare om det h=E4r h=E4r och dessa fyra punkt=
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> de flesta om - det man ofte inte t=E4nker p=E5 =E4r att de bryter med ett=
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> flera punkt om de anv=E4nder propriet=E4ra system som en st=E4ngt UNIX (t=
ex OSX, =

> eller HP-UX) eller Windows. =


UNIX delen i OS X, dvs Darwin, =E4r =F6ppen k=E4llkod.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

/Claes
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On Friday 24 September 2010 17.56.25 Claes Jakobsson wrote:
> On 24 sep 2010, at 17.43, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
> > Jag har pratat med m=E5nga ledare om det h=E4r h=E4r och dessa fyra pun=
kter
> > h=E5ller de flesta om - det man ofte inte t=E4nker p=E5 =E4r att de bry=
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> > ett eller flera punkt om de anv=E4nder propriet=E4ra system som en st=
=E4ngt
> > UNIX (tex OSX, eller HP-UX) eller Windows.
> =

> UNIX delen i OS X, dvs Darwin, =E4r =F6ppen k=E4llkod.
> =

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
> =


Darwin =E4r bra en av flera UNIX-delar i OSX:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X

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>> UNIX delen i OS X, dvs Darwin, =E4r =F6ppen k=E4llkod.
>> =

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
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> =

> Darwin =E4r bra en av flera UNIX-delar i OSX:
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>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X

Vilka delar skulle det vara?
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Det =E4r r=E4tt enkelt.

Ska vi sitta och hitta p=E5 pseudo-regler p=E5 en FOSS lista s=E5 =E5ker i
alla fall mitt spammfilter upp direkt eller s=E5 unsbscribar jag v=E4l i
n=E5gon typ av tristess. Vem fan orkar lyssna p=E5 lite random smalltalk
inl=E4gg som i alla fall jag inte fattar ett skit av. Inget emot
small-talk, men jag =E4r helt enkelt inte intresserad av just den
tr=E5den. Men det finns andra, som den h=E4r till exempel som intresserar
mig.

Personligen tycker jag att det skulle vara b=E5de fattigt och tr=E5kigt om
inte b=E5de teknikfr=E5gor i kombination med politik kan blossa upp, eller
vad folk k=E4nner kan lyftas. D=E4remot s=E5 orkar jag inte med reklam. DET
f=E5r jag drivor av =F6verallt annars - i kvadrat.

Teknik blir ibland politik (det finns massor av bevis: t.ex.
Atombombens roll under kalla kriget, Google i Kina, Open Source inom
offentlig f=F6rvaltning etc.)

Politik d=E4remot blir dessv=E4rre s=E4llan teknik f=F6rutom i andra led oc=
h i
fallet open source - mer specifikt - i n=E5gon typ av publik licens,
exampelvis GPL.

Det r=E5der dock inget tvivel om att Stallman forumulerade GPL(v3) med
klart "icke-tekniska" aspekter i =E5tanke, vilket man nog f=E5r s=E4ga haft
en ENORM p=E5verkan p=E5 teknikomr=E5det.

"Version 3 accounts for changes in software's legal and technical
environment, and thwarts new techniques which have been devised to
take those freedoms away from software users."

Min po=E4ng =E4r allts=E5 att om man t=E4nker begr=E4nsa sig till rent tekn=
iska
aspekter p=E5 en FOSS-lista, s=E5 kan jag tippsa om att i #parted s=E5
pratar man enbart om partitionstabeller och de diskussionerna =E4r
v=E4ldigt intressanta om man gillar partitioneringstabeller per se.

P=E5 IRC kanalen har det h=E4nt att det blivit lite hett med politiken
ibland, och tro fan att de diskussionerna =E4r j=E4vligt intressanta att
f=F6lja och de har ofta en anknytning till FOSS.

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Vill bara f=F6rtydliga att small-talk =E4r skitballt men jag fattar =E4nd=
=E5
inget och jag hoppas att ingen small-talk-fantast tog illa upp av mitt
tidigare inl=E4gg.

SMALL-TALK RULES! (I think)

/Erik


2010/9/24 Erik L=F6nroth :
> Det =E4r r=E4tt enkelt.
>
> Ska vi sitta och hitta p=E5 pseudo-regler p=E5 en FOSS lista s=E5 =E5ker i
> alla fall mitt spammfilter upp direkt eller s=E5 unsbscribar jag v=E4l i
> n=E5gon typ av tristess. Vem fan orkar lyssna p=E5 lite random smalltalk
> inl=E4gg som i alla fall jag inte fattar ett skit av. Inget emot
> small-talk, men jag =E4r helt enkelt inte intresserad av just den
> tr=E5den. Men det finns andra, som den h=E4r till exempel som intresserar
> mig.
>
> Personligen tycker jag att det skulle vara b=E5de fattigt och tr=E5kigt om
> inte b=E5de teknikfr=E5gor i kombination med politik kan blossa upp, eller
> vad folk k=E4nner kan lyftas. D=E4remot s=E5 orkar jag inte med reklam. D=
ET
> f=E5r jag drivor av =F6verallt annars - i kvadrat.
>
> Teknik blir ibland politik (det finns massor av bevis: t.ex.
> Atombombens roll under kalla kriget, Google i Kina, Open Source inom
> offentlig f=F6rvaltning etc.)
>
> Politik d=E4remot blir dessv=E4rre s=E4llan teknik f=F6rutom i andra led =
och i
> fallet open source - mer specifikt - i n=E5gon typ av publik licens,
> exampelvis GPL.
>
> Det r=E5der dock inget tvivel om att Stallman forumulerade GPL(v3) med
> klart "icke-tekniska" aspekter i =E5tanke, vilket man nog f=E5r s=E4ga ha=
ft
> en ENORM p=E5verkan p=E5 teknikomr=E5det.
>
> "Version 3 accounts for changes in software's legal and technical
> environment, and thwarts new techniques which have been devised to
> take those freedoms away from software users."
>
> Min po=E4ng =E4r allts=E5 att om man t=E4nker begr=E4nsa sig till rent te=
kniska
> aspekter p=E5 en FOSS-lista, s=E5 kan jag tippsa om att i #parted s=E5
> pratar man enbart om partitionstabeller och de diskussionerna =E4r
> v=E4ldigt intressanta om man gillar partitioneringstabeller per se.
>
> P=E5 IRC kanalen har det h=E4nt att det blivit lite hett med politiken
> ibland, och tro fan att de diskussionerna =E4r j=E4vligt intressanta att
> f=F6lja och de har ofta en anknytning till FOSS.
>
> /Erik
>
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(oj, nu har vi snott denna thread)

On 24 sep 2010, at 21.09, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
> On Friday 24 September 2010 18.39.57 Claes Jakobsson wrote:
>>> Darwin =E4r bra en av flera UNIX-delar i OSX:
>>> =

>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X
>> =

>> Vilka delar skulle det vara?
> =

> Jag =E4r lite os=E4ker p=E5 var du vill nu, jag gjorde ju som du och skic=
kage ju en =

> l=E4nk f=F6r att underbygga ett p=E5st=E5ende, men ok, jag f=F6r dra ut n=
=E5gra citat =

> derfr=E5n:
> =

> Det finns s=E4kert flera exempel ocks=E5, men min b=E4ste k=E4lla =E4r fr=
=E5n kompis vars =

> fru jobbade p=E5 OSF RI med Match och NeXt, hon s=E4ger: "..men be Apple =
om OS-
> koden och se hur l=E5ngt du kommer: -) "  Och att delar av OSX =E4r propr=
iet=E4ra =

> och inte finns i Darwin =E5tminstone varit v=E4lk=E4nd tidligare. Hon s=
=E4ger ocks=E5 =

> att Unixdelarna (=F6ppna och st=E4ngde) i huvudsak =E4r MIT + BSD + OSF +=
Next. Jag =

> ser ingen grund i att ifr=E5ges=E4tta henne och hittar inget som st=E5r i=
 konflikt =

> med henne p=E5 n=E4tet.
> =

> =C4r det v=E4rkligt s=E4kert att alla OSX:s Unix-delar =E4r FOSS och unde=
r Darwin?

Var drar man gr=E4nsen f=F6r vad som =E4r Unix delarna och vad som inte =E4=
r det? Visst, m=E5nga propriet=E4ra delar finns som t.ex. hela anv=E4ndargr=
=E4nssnittet (utom X11), vissa drivrutiner, majoriteten "OS X" program typ =
Mail.app etc.

Tidiga versioner av OS X var mycket riktigt NeXT i grund och botten (tidiga=
 versioner *var* NeXTStep =3D)) och detta =E5terspeglas fortfarande i Cocoa=
 d=E4r alla klasser b=F6rjar med NS. I samband med 10.3 (Darwin 7) s=E5 =E4=
r min f=F6rst=E5else av det hela att man tog FreeBSD 5 och anv=E4nde sig av=
 den kodbasen ist=E4llet f=F6r hela UNIX-kompabilitetet och allt detta finn=
s sl=E4ppt i Darwin. Jag har k=F6rt OS X sedan 10.1 och just 10.3 tyckte ja=
g var ett stort steg fram=E5t n=E4r det g=E4llde hur enkelt det var att byg=
ga BSD- eller linux-utvecklad kod.

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson wrote:

> Är FOSS bara teknik?
>
> Självklart är FOSS teknik men FOSS är till största politik!

Jag tror andelen politik inom FOSS beror helt och hållet på vem man frågar. 
Vissa anser att det är nästan enbart politik medan det finns de som säger att 
FOSS endast är teknik.

Jag hoppas och tror att vi kan vara öppna och diskutera ämnen på listan 
oavsett vilken position på den skalan vi som enskilda personer intar. Vi ville 
ju redan från början få med folk i olika grupperingar och fallanger till 
foss-sthlm, så det är ju faktiskt ett tecken på att vi lyckats med det när vi 
har en brokig skara från alla möjliga håll närvarande här.

Diskussioner med hövligt tonläge och sakfrågorna i fokus, sen får helt enkelt 
exakt alla som vill delta.

Även om en del tycker fel! ;-)

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Hello.

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, excel, powerpoint).


De har gjort ganska grymma saker med dynamiska bildbanker (som kan ladd=
as n=E5gonstans fr=E5n en n=E4tverksdisk), wizards d=E4r man v=E4ljer logga=
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amt lite ytterligare macro-business s=E5som sidf=F6tter&huvud etc.


Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tycker om OpenOffice och om d=
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Hennes feedback g=E4llande detta var att s=
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Det h=E4r =E4r jag ocks=E5 intresserad av.

/Erik

2010/9/24 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson 

> Hello.
>
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n tjej
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med
> office-mallar (word, excel, powerpoint).
>
> De har gjort ganska grymma saker med dynamiska bildbanker (som kan laddas
> n=E5gonstans fr=E5n en n=E4tverksdisk), wizards d=E4r man v=E4ljer logga =
f=F6r sitt
> dokument (med f=F6rhandsgransnkning f=F6r loggan i wizarden), samt lite
> ytterligare macro-business s=E5som sidf=F6tter&huvud etc.
>
> Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tycker om OpenOffice och om de
> jobbar n=E5got med det.
>
> Hennes feedback g=E4llande detta var att scripting i OpenOffice inte =E4r=
 lika
> kraftfullt som i MS office, och att de =E4nnu inte jobbat med detta d=E5 =
ingen
> kund har kommit med det =F6nskem=E5let (men att de var =F6ppna f=F6r det =
n=E4r/om det
> v=E4l kommer upp).
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> Har ni n=E5gra kommentarer om allt detta, f=F6rutom att det kanske =E4r h=
elt
> po=E4ngl=F6st att ta upp? [?]
>
> --
> Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning,
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Det h=E4r =E4r jag ocks=E5 intresserad av.

/Erik

2010/9/24 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson <bornemix@gmail.com>


Hello.

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ffice-mallar (word, excel, powerpoint).



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amt lite ytterligare macro-business s=E5som sidf=F6tter&huvud etc.



Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tycker om OpenOffice och om d=
e jobbar n=E5got med det.

Hennes feedback g=E4llande detta var att s=
cripting i OpenOffice inte =E4r lika kraftfullt som i MS office, och att de=
 =E4nnu inte jobbat med detta d=E5 ingen kund har kommit med det =F6nskem=
=E5let (men att de var =F6ppna f=F6r det n=E4r/om det v=E4l kommer upp).


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fredag 24 september 2010 skrev Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson:
> Hennes feedback g=E4llande detta var att scripting i OpenOffice inte =E4r=
 lika
> kraftfullt som i MS office, och att de =E4nnu inte jobbat med detta d=E5 =
ingen

Tv=E4rt om, skriptning =E4r enast=E5ende kraftfullt i OpenOffice.org, och h=
ar som i =

all Open Software blivit mycket varierad f=F6r att passa m=E5nga olika smak=
er. =

(och kan byggas ut ...)

Stardivision GmbH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarDivision (kolla under =

History) ville nog tidigt g=F6ra allt f=F6r att vara som MS Office, inklusi=
ve =

inbyggd IDE f=F6r Basic, som i StarOffice-fallet hette StarBasic.

K=F6pte sj=E4lv StarOffice runt 1997 f=F6r Linux. StarDivision blev senare =
uppk=F6pt av =

Sun, OpenOffice.org s=E5 sm=E5ningom och blev open source.

Fortfarande finns IDE:n kvar. Varje g=E5ng man startar OpenOffice.org drar =
man =E4ven =

ig=E5ng en fullfj=E4drad Basic :-) Trots att man bara ville skriva ett doku=
ment...

Man kan =E4ven skripta i Python, JavaScript, BeanShell mm =


IDE:n f=F6r Basic hittar den hugade under: Verktyg->Makron->Ordna Makron-
>OpenOffice.org Basic
=D6ppna sedan n=E5got av de makron (program) som finns genom att v=E4lja Re=
digera, =

och f=F6rv=E5nas.

Skriptning i all =E4ra, sj=E4lv tycker jag OO.o =E4r som en koloss, och dr=
=F6mmer om =

n=E5got sn=E4rtigt, Frame Maker-liknande f=F6r att skriva dokument. Skriptn=
ing g=F6r =

jag g=E4rna utanf=F6r.

Jag tror att officeprogrammilj=F6er blir som en OS-milj=F6 f=F6r folk som j=
obbar i ett =

icke=F6ppet OS d=E4r ingen bra skriptm=F6jlighet finns. Jobbar man redan i =
en =

verktygsl=E5da (Unix/Linux) s=E5 kan man skapa kopplade fl=F6den f=F6r att =
bearbeta =

data redan fr=E5n sitt skal, och har egentligen inte behovet.

Men, vill man skripta i OpenOffice.org, s=E5 har man alla m=F6jligheter :-)

/Mikael
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Hejsan

Jag vill bara berätta att vi nu har i princip hela programmet klart till möte 
#4, komplett med talare, beskrivningar och tider. Se

 	http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html

Om du har en 5-minutersdragning så finns det plats. Om du har förslag på en 
lämplig pub för oss efteråt så låt höra (vi brukar bli 30-40 pers som hänger 
på vidare).

PS, vi har en LinkedIn-grupp som heter "FOSS Stockholm" som man kan gå med i 
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Jag f=F6rsl=E5r, som alltid, Saddle and Sabre p=E5 tegn=E9gatan, det =
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Vi b=F6r kunna boka nederv=E5ningen och d=E5 f=E5 sitta f=F6r oss =
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26 sep 2010 kl. 19.27 skrev Daniel Stenberg:

>  Om du har f=F6rslag p=E5 en l=E4mplig pub f=F6r oss efter=E5t s=E5 =
l=E5t h=F6ra (vi brukar bli 30-40 pers som h=E4nger p=E5 vidare).


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2010/9/26 Klas Meder Boqvist :
> Jag f=F6rsl=E5r, som alltid, Saddle and Sabre p=E5 tegn=E9gatan, det blir=
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Vad kan det ta, 15-20 min? L=E5ter kul, jag har aldrig haft tillf=E4llet
att g=E5 dit (bara f=F6rbi utanf=F6r, verkar vara liknande Texas Longhorn).

> Vi b=F6r kunna boka nederv=E5ningen och d=E5 f=E5 sitta f=F6r oss sj=E4lv=
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Som sagt, l=E5ter kul.

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On 09/26/2010 07:39 PM, Andreas Hedstr=F6m wrote:
> 2010/9/26 Klas Meder Boqvist :
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>> Jag f=F6rsl=E5r, som alltid, Saddle and Sabre p=E5 tegn=E9gatan, det bli=
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> att g=E5 dit (bara f=F6rbi utanf=F6r, verkar vara liknande Texas Longhorn=
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>
>   =


Det =E4r inte alls l=E5ngt. Max 10min.  :-)


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On 09/24/2010 08:32 PM, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
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>
> SMALL-TALK RULES! (I think)

Ehm, vilken tr=E5d var det? Lite f=F6rvirrad, har inte sett s=E5 mycket sna=
ck =

om Smalltalk, eller har jag missat n=E5t?

mvh G=F6ran
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On 09/27/2010 12:08 PM, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> On 09/24/2010 08:32 PM, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
>> Vill bara f=F6rtydliga att small-talk =E4r skitballt men jag fattar =E4n=
d=E5
>> inget och jag hoppas att ingen small-talk-fantast tog illa upp av mitt
>> tidigare inl=E4gg.
>>
>> SMALL-TALK RULES! (I think)
>
> Ehm, vilken tr=E5d var det? Lite f=F6rvirrad, har inte sett s=E5 mycket s=
nack
> om Smalltalk, eller har jag missat n=E5t?

Ah, du menar inl=E4ggen f=F6r flera m=E5nader sedan i maj? Eh... det var v=
=E4l =

inte direkt "mycket"?

Personligen har jag ingen =E5sikt om vad listan "ska eller inte ska" prata =

om - det tycks mig som en ointressant uppgift att f=F6rs=F6ka definiera =

eller begr=E4nsa det. Jag =E4r klart ointresserad av flera av =E4mnena som =

diskuterats, men f=F6r den skull vill jag inte begr=E4nsa listan *p=E5 n=E5=
got =

s=E4tt*. F=F6r jag vet aldrig vad som =E4r intressant i f=F6rv=E4g! :)

S=E5 l=E4nge som en FOSS:are tycker det kan vara relevant f=F6r andra FOSS:=
are =

- med m=F6jlig anknytning till Stockholm - s=E5 r=E4cker det f=F6r mig. Att =

f=F6rs=F6ka "strypa" inneh=E5llet p=E5 denna lista som =E4r s=E5 pass "low =
traffic" =

verkar helt galet.

Vidare, Smalltalk =E4r ett programspr=E5k som finns i flera varianter i =

FOSS-v=E4rlden, inklusive GNU ifall man gillar det. S=E5 f=F6r oss som syss=
lar =

med utveckling av mjukvara (det =E4r nog en hel del p=E5 listan) s=E5 =E4r =
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F=F6r vi vill v=E4l inte begr=E4nsa listan till =E4mnen som "ang=E5r alla"?=
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2010/9/27 G=F6ran Krampe :
> On 09/27/2010 12:08 PM, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
>>
>> On 09/24/2010 08:32 PM, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
>>>
>>> Vill bara f=F6rtydliga att small-talk =E4r skitballt men jag fattar =E4=
nd=E5
>>> inget och jag hoppas att ingen small-talk-fantast tog illa upp av mitt
>>> tidigare inl=E4gg.
>>>
>>> SMALL-TALK RULES! (I think)
>>
>> Ehm, vilken tr=E5d var det? Lite f=F6rvirrad, har inte sett s=E5 mycket =
snack
>> om Smalltalk, eller har jag missat n=E5t?
>
> Ah, du menar inl=E4ggen f=F6r flera m=E5nader sedan i maj? Eh... det var =
v=E4l inte
> direkt "mycket"?
>
> Personligen har jag ingen =E5sikt om vad listan "ska eller inte ska" prat=
a om
> - det tycks mig som en ointressant uppgift att f=F6rs=F6ka definiera eller
> begr=E4nsa det. Jag =E4r klart ointresserad av flera av =E4mnena som disk=
uterats,
> men f=F6r den skull vill jag inte begr=E4nsa listan *p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt*=
. F=F6r jag vet
> aldrig vad som =E4r intressant i f=F6rv=E4g! :)
>
> S=E5 l=E4nge som en FOSS:are tycker det kan vara relevant f=F6r andra FOS=
S:are -
> med m=F6jlig anknytning till Stockholm - s=E5 r=E4cker det f=F6r mig. Att=
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> "strypa" inneh=E5llet p=E5 denna lista som =E4r s=E5 pass "low traffic" v=
erkar helt
> galet.
>
> Vidare, Smalltalk =E4r ett programspr=E5k som finns i flera varianter i
> FOSS-v=E4rlden, inklusive GNU ifall man gillar det. S=E5 f=F6r oss som sy=
sslar med
> utveckling av mjukvara (det =E4r nog en hel del p=E5 listan) s=E5 =E4r de=
t klart
> intressant att prata "programspr=E5k".
>
> F=F6r vi vill v=E4l inte begr=E4nsa listan till =E4mnen som "ang=E5r alla=
"? D=E5 blir
> det liksom v=E4ldigt tunnt...

Jo, jag h=E5ller med. Det =E4r exakt det jag f=F6rs=F6kte f=F6rmedla - att =
just
m=E5ngfalden av snack =E4r det som =E4r kul.

Smalltalk var exemplet jag valde f=F6r att visa p=E5 att intresset =E4r
olika och att alla inte l=E4ser allt.

Mera av allt.

/Erik

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> mvh G=F6ran
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On 09/27/2010 12:25 PM, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
> 2010/9/27 G=F6ran Krampe:
>> F=F6r vi vill v=E4l inte begr=E4nsa listan till =E4mnen som "ang=E5r all=
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>
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> olika och att alla inte l=E4ser allt.
>
> Mera av allt.
>
> /Erik

Aha! Sorry f=F6r min... idioti. Skyller p=E5 att det =E4r m=E5ndag :)

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fre 2010-09-24 klockan 21:37 +0200 skrev Claes Jakobsson:

> Var drar man gr=E4nsen f=F6r vad som =E4r Unix delarna och vad som inte =
=E4r
> det? Visst, m=E5nga propriet=E4ra delar finns som t.ex. hela
> anv=E4ndargr=E4nssnittet (utom X11), vissa drivrutiner, majoriteten "OS X"
> program typ Mail.app etc.

Spelar det n=E5gon roll vad UNIX =E4r?

Mitt fokus =E4r p=E5 vad Open Source =E4r. Och den syn jag har p=E5 OS X =
=E4r att
Apple inte vill att Darwin skall drivas som ett open source projekt =E4ven
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Hej!

2010/9/24 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson 
> Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tycker om OpenOffice och om de =
jobbar n=E5got med det.
(...)
> Har ni n=E5gra kommentarer om allt detta, f=F6rutom att det kanske =E4r h=
elt po=E4ngl=F6st att ta upp?

Tyv=E4rr har jag ingen kunskap i =E4mnet. D=E4remot kan jag s=E4ga att jag =
tycker att
detta =E4r v=E4ldigt intressant.

Just s=E5dana h=E4r saker =E4r v=E4l intressant f=F6r sm=E5 till medelstora=
 organisationer.
Det =E4r v=E4l fortfarande s=E5 att Microsoft =E4r helt dominerande inom det
h=E4r omr=E5det?
Kul med lite uppluckring och tips f=F6r vad man kan g=F6ra och vem man kan
kontakta. :-)


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Nu hoppas jag innerligt att n=E5gon filmar detta, f=F6r jag kommer inte
att kunna n=E4rvara ;(

Den 26 september 2010 19:27 skrev Daniel Stenberg :
> Hejsan
>
> Jag vill bara ber=E4tta att vi nu har i princip hela programmet klart till
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Hej!

2010/9/24 Claes Jakobsson :
> (oj, nu har vi snott denna thread)

Vi kan v=E4l h=E5lla OSX, UNIX och FOSS-diskussionen kan i denna
dedikerade tr=E5d ist=E4llet
f=F6r att varva den med diskussionstr=E5den om FOSS-STHLM.

Det blir l=E4ttare f=F6r alla s=E5. :-)


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2010/9/27 Henrik Nordstr=F6m :
> fre 2010-09-24 klockan 21:37 +0200 skrev Claes Jakobsson:
>
>> Var drar man gr=E4nsen f=F6r vad som =E4r Unix delarna och vad som inte =
=E4r
>> det? Visst, m=E5nga propriet=E4ra delar finns som t.ex. hela
>> anv=E4ndargr=E4nssnittet (utom X11), vissa drivrutiner, majoriteten "OS =
X"
>> program typ Mail.app etc.
>
> Spelar det n=E5gon roll vad UNIX =E4r?
>
> Mitt fokus =E4r p=E5 vad Open Source =E4r. Och den syn jag har p=E5 OS X =
=E4r att
> Apple inte vill att Darwin skall drivas som ett open source projekt =E4ven
> om de av n=E5gon anledning publicerar k=E4llkoden. Fast denna syn =E4r f=
=E4rgad
> av att jag mest tittat p=E5 Darwin i samband med att OpenDarwin gick i
> graven f=F6r n=E5gra =E5r sedan.
>
> Mvh
> Henrik
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Hej!

2010/9/24 Daniel Stenberg :
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson wrote:
>> =C4r FOSS bara teknik?
>>
>> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!
>
> Jag tror andelen politik inom FOSS beror helt och h=E5llet p=E5 vem man f=
r=E5gar.
> Vissa anser att det =E4r n=E4stan enbart politik medan det finns de som s=
=E4ger
> att FOSS endast =E4r teknik.

2010/9/24 Jeremiah Foster :
>No. You'll need to prove this statement with evidence.

Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, hur sk=
ulle
det se ut d=E5? I s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla tekn=
ik
(oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara lika=
v=E4l
som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.

FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan progr=
amvara
och teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika ni=
v=E5er
av hur mycket givetvis).

Sj=E4lvklart =E4r ju tekniken ocks=E5 otroligt intressant och viktig, jag =
=E4r
sj=E4lv n=F6rd och har hamnat h=E4r tack vare min k=E4rlek till teknik (och
frihet). :-)


> Jag hoppas och tror att vi kan vara =F6ppna och diskutera =E4mnen p=E5 li=
stan
> oavsett vilken position p=E5 den skalan vi som enskilda personer intar. Vi
> ville ju redan fr=E5n b=F6rjan f=E5 med folk i olika grupperingar och fal=
langer
> till foss-sthlm, s=E5 det =E4r ju faktiskt ett tecken p=E5 att vi lyckats=
 med det
> n=E4r vi har en brokig skara fr=E5n alla m=F6jliga h=E5ll n=E4rvarande h=
=E4r.

Absolut!


Det h=E4r med temakv=E4llar f=F6rresten, =E4r det intressant? T ex IT i sko=
lan (f=F6r
att ta ett 90-talsbegrepp) kan det vara kul? Hur skulle vi g=E5 tillv=E4ga?
Eller kanske ett tema med fokus p=E5 sm=E5- och medelstora organisationer o=
ch
deras verksamhet (os, register, dokument osv)?


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Det finns saker "med" OpenOffice som tyv=E4rr hindrar f=F6r att kunna inf=
=F6ras i
ett f=F6retag d=E4r icke-tekniker med erfarenhet av endast MS Office =E4r t=
=E4nkta
att anv=E4nda programvaran.

Det skulle vara bra om vi kan hj=E4lpas =E5t med att tillsammans identifier=
a
n=E5gra av dessa hinder, och d=E4refter se vad som kan g=F6ras =E5t dem.

Mina punkter nedan kan dock vara felobservationer, r=E4tta mig mer =E4n g=
=E4rna!

---

1. En sak jag m=E4rker =E4r att tex "*remove formatting*" (ctrl+space) i MS
Office tar bort all "egen" formatering (f=E4rg, teckensnitt, storlek) och
l=E5ter formatmallarna stanna kvar i texten. OpenOffice's ctrl+space (numer=
a
ctrl+M) tar bort b=E5de formattering och formatmallar fr=E5n texten. Detta =
g=F6r
det v=E4ldigt sv=E5rt att tex typl=E4gga b=F6cker.

2. En annan sak =E4r *autokompletteringen *som oftast bara f=F6rvirrar nya
anv=E4ndare.

3. MS Office=B4s "*Ribbon*"-menysystem, =E4r =E4ven det, n=E5gonting som Op=
enOffice
m=E5ste kunna anpassa sig n=E5got efter. Det =E4r ingen dum id=E9 med ett
grundl=E4ggande fliksystem samt st=F6rre knappar f=F6r de mest anv=E4nda/me=
st
centrala funktionerna.

---

Bj=F6rn


Den 28 september 2010 09:16 skrev Per Andersson :

> Hej!
>
> 2010/9/24 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson 
> > Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tycker om OpenOffice och om d=
e
> jobbar n=E5got med det.
> (...)
> > Har ni n=E5gra kommentarer om allt detta, f=F6rutom att det kanske =E4r=
 helt
> po=E4ngl=F6st att ta upp?
>
> Tyv=E4rr har jag ingen kunskap i =E4mnet. D=E4remot kan jag s=E4ga att ja=
g tycker
> att
> detta =E4r v=E4ldigt intressant.
>
> Just s=E5dana h=E4r saker =E4r v=E4l intressant f=F6r sm=E5 till medelsto=
ra
> organisationer.
> Det =E4r v=E4l fortfarande s=E5 att Microsoft =E4r helt dominerande inom =
det
> h=E4r omr=E5det?
> Kul med lite uppluckring och tips f=F6r vad man kan g=F6ra och vem man ka=
n
> kontakta. :-)
>
>
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Det finns saker "med" OpenOffice som tyv=E4rr hi=
ndrar f=F6r att kunna inf=F6ras i ett f=F6retag d=E4r icke-tekniker med erf=
arenhet av endast MS Office =E4r t=E4nkta att anv=E4nda programvaran.
Det skulle vara bra om vi kan hj=E4lpas =E5t med att tillsammans identifi=
era n=E5gra av dessa hinder, och d=E4refter se vad som kan g=F6ras =E5t dem=
.


Mina punkter nedan kan dock vara felobservationer, r=E4tta mig mer =E4n=
 g=E4rna!

---

1. En sak jag m=E4rker =E4r att tex "re=
move formatting" (ctrl+space) i MS Office tar bort all "egen&=
quot; formatering (f=E4rg, teckensnitt, storlek) och l=E5ter formatmallarna=
 stanna kvar i texten. OpenOffice's ctrl+space (numera ctrl+M) tar bort=
 b=E5de formattering och formatmallar fr=E5n texten. Detta g=F6r det v=E4ld=
igt sv=E5rt att tex typl=E4gga b=F6cker.


2. En annan sak =E4r autokompletteringen som oftast bara f=F6rvi=
rrar nya anv=E4ndare.

3. MS Office=B4s "Ribbon"-men=
ysystem, =E4r =E4ven det, n=E5gonting som OpenOffice m=E5ste kunna anpassa =
sig n=E5got efter. Det =E4r ingen dum id=E9 med ett grundl=E4ggande fliksys=
tem samt st=F6rre knappar f=F6r de mest anv=E4nda/mest centrala funktionern=
a.


---

Bj=F6rn


Den 28 septemb=
er 2010 09:16 skrev Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:

Hej!




2010/9/24 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson <bor=
nemix@gmail.com>


> Intressant att veta, t=E4nkte jag, vad de tyck=
er om OpenOffice och om de jobbar n=E5got med det.


(...)


> Har ni n=E5gra kommentarer om allt detta, f=F6rutom =
att det kanske =E4r helt po=E4ngl=F6st att ta upp?




Tyv=E4rr har jag ingen kunskap i =E4mnet. D=E4remot kan jag s=E4ga at=
t jag tycker att

detta =E4r v=E4ldigt intressant.



Just s=E5dana h=E4r saker =E4r v=E4l intressant f=F6r sm=E5 till medelstora=
 organisationer.

Det =E4r v=E4l fortfarande s=E5 att Microsoft =E4r helt dominerande inom de=
t

h=E4r omr=E5det?

Kul med lite uppluckring och tips f=F6r vad man kan g=F6ra och vem man kan<=
br>
kontakta. :-)





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Per





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>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson wrote:
>>> =C4r FOSS bara teknik?
>>> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!
> 2010/9/24 Jeremiah Foster :
>>No. You'll need to prove this statement with evidence.

> 2010/9/28 Per Andersson :
> d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara likav=E4l
> som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.

Ja b=E5da =E4r teknik, men intresset f=F6r den h=E4r listan =E4r just den f=
orm
av teknik d=E4r tillg=E5ngen p=E5 k=E4llkoden inte =E4r begr=E4nsad (sen ka=
nske
anv=E4ndandet av k=E4llkoden =E4r beg. p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt).
Det finns s=E4kert andra listor som diskuterar annan mjukvara ur ett
tekniskt eller politiskt perspektiv (eller b=E5da).

> FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan pro=
gramvara
> och teknik.

Nej, det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan programvara =E4r dess licensiering.
H=E4r kanske du s=E4tter licenser =3D politik, men det g=F6r inte jag.
D=E4rmed =E4r ditt p=E5st=E5ende felaktigt, som Jeremiah sa tidigare.

> Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika niv=E5er
> av hur mycket givetvis).

Syftet f=F6r all programvara =E4r att l=F6sa ett (eller flera) problem.
Skillnaden mellan propriet=E4r och =F6ppen mjukvara =E4r under vilka former
den sedan kan anv=E4ndas och utvecklas.
Jag ser ingen skillnad i (huvud-) syfte mellan propriet=E4r och =F6ppen mju=
kvara.

> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r ju tekniken ocks=E5 otroligt intressant och viktig, jag=
 =E4r
> sj=E4lv n=F6rd och har hamnat h=E4r tack vare min k=E4rlek till teknik (o=
ch
> frihet). :-)

L=E4nge leve tekniken!

> 2010/9/24 Daniel Stenberg :
>> Jag hoppas och tror att vi kan vara =F6ppna och diskutera =E4mnen p=E5 l=
istan
>> oavsett vilken position p=E5 den skalan vi som enskilda personer intar.

> Absolut!

=C4ven jag h=E5ller med (vem g=F6r inte det?). Jag skapade denna tr=E5d d=
=E5
jag, personligen, tror vi f=E5r mindre "tjafs" om vi =E4gnar mer energi =E5t
tekniken och mindre =E5t politiken.
Men eftersom vi =E4r en s=E5 pass brokig skara och utskicken s=E5 pass f=E5,
ser jag ingen po=E4ng i att n=E5 n=E5gon form av konsensus f=F6r vad som f=
=E5r
resp. inte f=E5r diskuteras p=E5 listan.
K=F6r h=E5rt! Deleteknappen =E4r din (dvs min) b=E4sta v=E4n.

Problemet med FOSS =E4r trov=E4rdigheten, och den blir knappast b=E4ttre med
radikala argument i stil med "FOSS ska er=F6vra v=E4rlden, alla
propriet=E4ra l=F6sningar =E4r av ondo, alla program borde vara gratis f=F6r
gemene man". Visserligen h=E5ller jag med om att v=E4rlden skulle vara
betydligt b=E4ttre om alla l=F6sningar baserades p=E5 =F6ppna standarder.
D=E4rmed inte sagt att man m=E5ste f=F6rbjuda eller begr=E4nsa anv=E4ndande=
t av
propriet=E4r mjukvara. Vi borde argumentera f=F6r fri konkurens, d=E4r b=E4=
sta
mjukvara vinner. Endast om l=F6sningar bygger p=E5 =F6ppna standarder =E4r
detta m=F6jligt.

Om detta =E4r politik, s=E5 mer politik p=E5 listan! Jag ser det mer ur ett
tekniskt perspektiv, och pragmatiskt, och f=F6retagsekonomiskt. Om vi
vinner =F6ver de 3 sistn=E4mnda delarna till oss i FOSS, s=E5 kommer vi
vinna =E4ven politiken.

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Hej!

On 09/28/2010 09:43 AM, Per Andersson wrote:
> Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, hur =
skulle
> det se ut d=E5? I s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla te=
knik
> (oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara li=
kav=E4l
> som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.
>
> FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan pro=
gramvara
> och teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika =
niv=E5er
> av hur mycket givetvis).

Ehh... inte f=F6r att jag =E4r alltf=F6r engagerad i denna fr=E5gest=E4llni=
ng men =

du (eller vi) kanske b=F6r definiera "politik" i detta sammanhang?

Ifall jag applicerar mig sj=E4lv p=E5 det du skrev ovan s=E5 funkar det int=
e - =

jag =E4r inte engagerad i FOSS-projekt d=E4rf=F6r att jag vill f=F6r=E4ndra =

v=E4rlden politiskt, utan f=F6r att det =E4r inom dessa projekt jag kan v=
=E4xa =

som utvecklare, l=E4ra mig och arbeta tillsammans med personer =F6ver hela =

v=E4rlden och med saker som jag brinner f=F6r. Det finns inget alternativ.

Visst, det betyder inte att jag *inte* st=F6djer vissa politiska aspekter =

- som exempelvis vad FOSS kan g=F6ra f=F6r barn och skolor mm =

(www.laptop.org exempelvis) men det =E4r inte de delarna som *driver* mig.

S=E5lunda, nej, propriet=E4r mjukvara kan vi inte "diskutera" p=E5 samma s=
=E4tt =

- det g=E5r ju inte att "delta" i de projekten! Ditt resonemang kanske ser =

logiskt ut ifall man bara ser till *anv=E4ndning* av mjukvara, inte =

utveckling.

S=E5... nej tack, f=F6rvandla inte denna lista till en politisk lista - =

ifall det nu =E4r det som tr=E5den handlar om! Jag vill prata om allt =

m=F6jligt inom FOSS, och ifall det =E4r n=E5got rent tekniskt s=E5 =E4r det=
 det. =

Och ifall det =E4r en "politisk" tr=E5d s=E5 =E4r det det, och allt d=E4r e=
mellan =

mm, fine with me.

mvh G=F6ran
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FOSS kan nog innefatta "politik" iom att lobba/propsa f=F6r det, inf=F6r
f=F6retag, kommuner och institutioner mm.

Tror jag. [?]



Den 28 september 2010 11:39 skrev G=F6ran Krampe :

> Hej!
>
>
> On 09/28/2010 09:43 AM, Per Andersson wrote:
>
>> Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, hur
>> skulle
>> det se ut d=E5? I s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla t=
eknik
>> (oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara l=
ikav=E4l
>> som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.
>>
>> FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan pr=
ogramvara
>> och teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika
>> niv=E5er
>> av hur mycket givetvis).
>>
>
> Ehh... inte f=F6r att jag =E4r alltf=F6r engagerad i denna fr=E5gest=E4ll=
ning men du
> (eller vi) kanske b=F6r definiera "politik" i detta sammanhang?
>
> Ifall jag applicerar mig sj=E4lv p=E5 det du skrev ovan s=E5 funkar det i=
nte -
> jag =E4r inte engagerad i FOSS-projekt d=E4rf=F6r att jag vill f=F6r=E4nd=
ra v=E4rlden
> politiskt, utan f=F6r att det =E4r inom dessa projekt jag kan v=E4xa som
> utvecklare, l=E4ra mig och arbeta tillsammans med personer =F6ver hela v=
=E4rlden
> och med saker som jag brinner f=F6r. Det finns inget alternativ.
>
> Visst, det betyder inte att jag *inte* st=F6djer vissa politiska aspekter=
 -
> som exempelvis vad FOSS kan g=F6ra f=F6r barn och skolor mm (www.laptop.o=
rgexempelvis) men det =E4r inte de delarna som *driver* mig.
>
> S=E5lunda, nej, propriet=E4r mjukvara kan vi inte "diskutera" p=E5 samma =
s=E4tt -
> det g=E5r ju inte att "delta" i de projekten! Ditt resonemang kanske ser
> logiskt ut ifall man bara ser till *anv=E4ndning* av mjukvara, inte
> utveckling.
>
> S=E5... nej tack, f=F6rvandla inte denna lista till en politisk lista - i=
fall
> det nu =E4r det som tr=E5den handlar om! Jag vill prata om allt m=F6jligt=
 inom
> FOSS, och ifall det =E4r n=E5got rent tekniskt s=E5 =E4r det det. Och ifa=
ll det =E4r
> en "politisk" tr=E5d s=E5 =E4r det det, och allt d=E4r emellan mm, fine w=
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>
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FOSS kan nog innefatta "politik" iom att lobba/p=
ropsa f=F6r det, inf=F6r f=F6retag, kommuner och institutioner mm.

T=
ror jag. 




Den 28 september 2010 11:39 skrev G=
=F6ran Krampe <gora=
n@krampe.se>:

Hej!




On 09/28/2010 09:43 AM, Per Andersson wrote:



Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, hur sk=
ulle

det se ut d=E5? I s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla tekn=
ik

(oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara lika=
v=E4l

som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.



FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan progr=
amvara

och teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika ni=
v=E5er

av hur mycket givetvis).





Ehh... inte f=F6r att jag =E4r alltf=F6r engagerad i denna fr=E5gest=E4llni=
ng men du (eller vi) kanske b=F6r definiera "politik" i detta sam=
manhang?



Ifall jag applicerar mig sj=E4lv p=E5 det du skrev ovan s=E5 funkar det int=
e - jag =E4r inte engagerad i FOSS-projekt d=E4rf=F6r att jag vill f=F6r=E4=
ndra v=E4rlden politiskt, utan f=F6r att det =E4r inom dessa projekt jag ka=
n v=E4xa som utvecklare, l=E4ra mig och arbeta tillsammans med personer =F6=
ver hela v=E4rlden och med saker som jag brinner f=F6r. Det finns inget alt=
ernativ.




Visst, det betyder inte att jag *inte* st=F6djer vissa politiska aspekter -=
 som exempelvis vad FOSS kan g=F6ra f=F6r barn och skolor mm (www.laptop.org exempelvis) men d=
et =E4r inte de delarna som *driver* mig.




S=E5lunda, nej, propriet=E4r mjukvara kan vi inte "diskutera" p=
=E5 samma s=E4tt - det g=E5r ju inte att "delta" i de projekten! =
Ditt resonemang kanske ser logiskt ut ifall man bara ser till *anv=E4ndning=
* av mjukvara, inte utveckling.




S=E5... nej tack, f=F6rvandla inte denna lista till en politisk lista - ifa=
ll det nu =E4r det som tr=E5den handlar om! Jag vill prata om allt m=F6jlig=
t inom FOSS, och ifall det =E4r n=E5got rent tekniskt s=E5 =E4r det det. Oc=
h ifall det =E4r en "politisk" tr=E5d s=E5 =E4r det det, och allt=
 d=E4r emellan mm, fine with me.




mvh G=F6ran



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On Sep 28, 2010, at 09:43, Per Andersson wrote:

> Hej!
>=20
> 2010/9/24 Daniel Stenberg :
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson wrote:
>>> =C4r FOSS bara teknik?
>>>=20
>>> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!
>>=20
>> Jag tror andelen politik inom FOSS beror helt och h=E5llet p=E5 vem =
man fr=E5gar.
>> Vissa anser att det =E4r n=E4stan enbart politik medan det finns de =
som s=E4ger
>> att FOSS endast =E4r teknik.
>=20
> 2010/9/24 Jeremiah Foster :
>> No. You'll need to prove this statement with evidence.
>=20
> Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, =
hur skulle
> det se ut d=E5? I s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla =
teknik
> (oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara =
likav=E4l
> som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.

De =E4r b=E5de teknik, det =E4r sant. Men en har skydd av en stark =
license (ofta GPL) ock det =E4ndra =E4r propriet=E4r. Man f=E5r inte den =
frihet som kravs f=F6r att diskutera propriet=E4r programvara men =
d=E4remot har man den frihet att studera fri programvara och jag tycker =
att det h=E4r list har detta syfte.
>=20
> FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan =
programvara
> och teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns =
olika niv=E5er
> av hur mycket givetvis).

Jag tror att m=E5let =E4r det samma: anv=E4nde din dator f=F6r att =
surfa, maila, och s=E5 vidare. Det g=E5r med b=E5de.=20

En av de problem med politik jag ser =E4r att ofta i sverige det =
reducerat till bl=E5 mot r=F6d, och det sakna nuans. Och den svenska =
s=E4tt att diskutera politik =E4r ocks=E5 ganska f=F6rsiktigt och =
saklig, vilken =E4r bra i f=F6r sig. Men det passar inte j=E4tte bra med =
andra kultur som =E4r kanske mer grovt och rak p=E5 sak. Den svenska =
s=E4tt att utfrysa folk till exempel kan betyder att n=E5gon som =E4r =
duktigt p=E5 programmering men har inte omtyckte =E5sikter f=E5r ingen =
svar eller helt och h=E5llet =E4r ignorerat. D=E5 tycker jag att det kan =
bli bra att h=E5ller till =E4mnen och diskutera de mer k=E4nsliga =
politiska fr=E5gor n=E5gon annanstans.=20

P=E5 andra sidan =E4r jag absolut inte r=E4dd att det kommer mass=F6r =
politik snack h=E4r f=F6r min egen skulle.

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Hej!

2010/9/24 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson =
wrote:
=C4r FOSS bara =
teknik?

Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik =
men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta =
politik!

Jag tror =
andelen politik inom FOSS beror helt och h=E5llet p=E5 vem man =
fr=E5gar.
Vissa anser att det =
=E4r n=E4stan enbart politik medan det finns de som =
s=E4ger
att FOSS endast =E4r =
teknik.

2010/9/24 Jeremiah Foster <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com>:
No. You'll need to prove this =
statement with evidence.

Om vi t=E4nker oss att FOSS =
bara =E4r teknik, och inte politik alls, hur skulle
det se ut d=E5? I =
s=E5dana fall, om syftet =E4r att diskutera/behandla =
teknik
(oberoende av politik), d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r =
programvara likav=E4l
som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket =
teknik.

De =E4r b=E5de teknik, =
det =E4r sant. Men en har skydd av en stark license (ofta GPL) ock det =
=E4ndra =E4r propriet=E4r. Man f=E5r inte den frihet som kravs f=F6r att =
diskutera propriet=E4r programvara men d=E4remot har man den frihet att =
studera fri programvara och jag tycker att det h=E4r list har detta =
syfte.

FOSS =E4r allts=E5 =
politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan programvara
och =
teknik. Den har ett annat syfte och m=E5l (=E4ven om det finns olika =
niv=E5er
av hur mycket =
givetvis).

Jag tror att m=E5let =
=E4r det samma: anv=E4nde din dator f=F6r att surfa, maila, och s=E5 =
vidare. Det g=E5r med b=E5de. 

En av de problem =
med politik jag ser =E4r att ofta i sverige det reducerat till bl=E5 mot =
r=F6d, och det sakna nuans. Och den svenska s=E4tt att diskutera politik =
=E4r ocks=E5 ganska f=F6rsiktigt och saklig, vilken =E4r bra i f=F6r =
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mer grovt och rak p=E5 sak. Den svenska s=E4tt att utfrysa folk =
till exempel kan betyder att n=E5gon som =E4r duktigt p=E5 programmering =
men har inte omtyckte =E5sikter f=E5r ingen svar eller helt och h=E5llet =
=E4r ignorerat. D=E5 tycker jag att det kan bli bra att h=E5ller till =
=E4mnen och diskutera de mer k=E4nsliga politiska fr=E5gor n=E5gon =
annanstans. 

P=E5 andra sidan =
=E4r jag absolut inte r=E4dd att det kommer mass=F6r politik snack h=E4r =
f=F6r min egen =
skulle.

Jeremiah

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Hej!

2010/9/28 Andreas Hedstr=F6m :
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Per Andersson wrote:
>>>> =C4r FOSS bara teknik?
>>>> Sj=E4lvklart =E4r FOSS teknik men FOSS =E4r till st=F6rsta politik!
>> 2010/9/24 Jeremiah Foster :
>>>No. You'll need to prove this statement with evidence.
>
>> 2010/9/28 Per Andersson :
>> d=E5 kan vi diskutera propriet=E4r programvara likav=E4l
>> som fri programvara. B=E5da =E4r lika mycket teknik.
>
> Ja b=E5da =E4r teknik, men intresset f=F6r den h=E4r listan =E4r just den=
 form
> av teknik d=E4r tillg=E5ngen p=E5 k=E4llkoden inte =E4r begr=E4nsad (sen =
kanske
> anv=E4ndandet av k=E4llkoden =E4r beg. p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt).

M=F6jligheten till tillg=E5ng, och anv=E4ndningsr=E4tt, av k=E4llkod =E4r p=
olitik!


> Problemet med FOSS =E4r trov=E4rdigheten, och den blir knappast b=E4ttre =
med
> radikala argument i stil med "FOSS ska er=F6vra v=E4rlden, alla
> propriet=E4ra l=F6sningar =E4r av ondo, alla program borde vara gratis f=
=F6r
> gemene man".

Det beror p=E5 vilken publik som finns s=E5 klart. Viss publik gillar
radikala argument
medan en annan publik kanske skr=E4ms av det.


> Om detta =E4r politik, s=E5 mer politik p=E5 listan! Jag ser det mer ur e=
tt
> tekniskt perspektiv, och pragmatiskt, och f=F6retagsekonomiskt. Om vi
> vinner =F6ver de 3 sistn=E4mnda delarna till oss i FOSS, s=E5 kommer vi
> vinna =E4ven politiken.

Jag tror att det kan vara ett litet missf=F6rst=E5nd med vad jag menar med =
politik.

N=E4r jag menar politik s=E5 menar jag alltifr=E5n tv=E5 m=E4nniskor som ha=
r en gemensam
ber=F6ringspunkt/aktivitet (och d=E4rmed beh=F6ver f=F6rh=E5lla sig till
varandra), och upp=E5t i skala.


>> FOSS =E4r allts=E5 politik, det =E4r det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan pr=
ogramvara
>> och teknik.
>
> Nej, det som skiljer den fr=E5n annan programvara =E4r dess licensiering.
> H=E4r kanske du s=E4tter licenser =3D politik, men det g=F6r inte jag.
> D=E4rmed =E4r ditt p=E5st=E5ende felaktigt, som Jeremiah sa tidigare.

I och med ovan definition =E4r mitt p=E5st=E5ende korrekt. ;-)


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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Adam H wrote:

> Nu hoppas jag innerligt att någon filmar detta, för jag kommer inte att 
> kunna närvara ;(

Är det någon som kan ta på sig att filma möte 4 och efteråt sedan göra 
filmerna tillgängliga digitalt?

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Jo ni l=E4ste r=E4tt, LibreOffice =E4r vad man nu forts=E4tter utvecklingen=
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man =E4r s=E4ker p=E5 hur Oracle st=E4ller sig till att sl=E4ppa namnet Ope=
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Hej!

T=E4nk vad bra det blev med Oracles k=F6p av Sun, not.

MySQL-folket hoppar av, OpenSolaris negligeras tills de inblandade drar
ur pluggen sj=E4lva, Google st=E4ms f=F6r att de anv=E4nder Java p=E5 fel v=
is.
Och nu d=E5 OpenOffice som forkar f=F6r s=E4kerhetsskull (vilket v=E4l =E4v=
en
skett med OpenSolaris om jag minns r=E4tt).

// Mem



2010-09-29 00:07, Mikael Bergqvist skrev:
> Jo ni l=E4ste r=E4tt, LibreOffice =E4r vad man nu forts=E4tter utveckling=
en som, innan =

> man =E4r s=E4ker p=E5 hur Oracle st=E4ller sig till att sl=E4ppa namnet O=
penOffice
> =

> L=E4s mer p=E5: http://www.documentfoundation.org/
> =

> Tex. pressreleasen l=E4ngre ned p=E5 sidan: =

> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:43+0200, Magnus Sandberg (mem@netnod.se) wrote:
> Hej!
> =

> T=E4nk vad bra det blev med Oracles k=F6p av Sun, not.
> =

> MySQL-folket hoppar av, OpenSolaris negligeras tills de inblandade drar
> ur pluggen sj=E4lva, Google st=E4ms f=F6r att de anv=E4nder Java p=E5 fel=
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> Och nu d=E5 OpenOffice som forkar f=F6r s=E4kerhetsskull (vilket v=E4l =
=E4ven
> skett med OpenSolaris om jag minns r=E4tt).

Eller s=E5 =E4r det skitbra reklam f=F6r varf=F6r saker som kan vara FOSS s=
ka
vara det.


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Intressant artikel om open-source och bla. hur detta behandlas av engelska
staten.

Se =E4ven det l=E4skiga i att folk verkar f=E5 pengar f=F6r att propsa emot=
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Double Standards on Open
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Giving open source a fair chance in government.
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=C4ven om jag h=E5ller med om att k=F6pet =E4r n=E4st intill en fars, s=E5 =
tror
jag inte att det kommer f=E5 n=E5gon st=F6rre impakt i verkligheten.

Visst - vissa projekt kommer att "hicka till", men med tanke p=E5 vilket
driv det finns kring b=E5de produkterna som s=E5dana, men =E4ven fr=E5n del=
vis
=F6verlappande eller konkurrerande "projekt" s=E5 =E4r jag s=E4ker p=E5 att
m=E4nskligheten kommer anpassa sig och troligen accelerera och bli
b=E4ttre.

Oracle m=E5 ha k=F6pt bort en konkurrent, men man har absolut inte k=F6pt
bort behoven och tillg=E4ngligheten p=E5 alternativ.

Det kommer s=E4kerligen bli tydligt snart.

/Erik

2010/9/29 Magnus Sandberg :
> Hej!
>
> T=E4nk vad bra det blev med Oracles k=F6p av Sun, not.
>
> MySQL-folket hoppar av, OpenSolaris negligeras tills de inblandade drar
> ur pluggen sj=E4lva, Google st=E4ms f=F6r att de anv=E4nder Java p=E5 fel=
 vis.
> Och nu d=E5 OpenOffice som forkar f=F6r s=E4kerhetsskull (vilket v=E4l =
=E4ven
> skett med OpenSolaris om jag minns r=E4tt).
>
> // Mem
>
>
>
> 2010-09-29 00:07, Mikael Bergqvist skrev:
>> Jo ni l=E4ste r=E4tt, LibreOffice =E4r vad man nu forts=E4tter utvecklin=
gen som, innan
>> man =E4r s=E4ker p=E5 hur Oracle st=E4ller sig till att sl=E4ppa namnet =
OpenOffice
>>
>> L=E4s mer p=E5: http://www.documentfoundation.org/
>>
>> Tex. pressreleasen l=E4ngre ned p=E5 sidan:
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>>
>> /Mikael
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V=E4ldigt l=E4sv=E4rd!

Tackar

/Erik

2010/9/29 Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson :
> Intressant artikel om open-source och bla. hur detta behandlas av engelska
> staten.
>
> Se =E4ven det l=E4skiga i att folk verkar f=E5 pengar f=F6r att propsa em=
ot teknik
> likt OpenOffice XML, etc. (se snacket om Andr=E9 Rebentisch i kommentarer=
na)
>
> Double Standards on Open Standards
> Giving open source a fair chance in government.
> Source: Computerworld UK
> --
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Hejsan alla!

Jag har nöjet att meddela att samtliga personer som har anmält sig eller 
anmäler sig till möte #4 erbjuds rabatt på inträdet till konferensen 
Internetdagarna dag två (onsdag den 27:e oktober) - det är den dagen Open 
Source-seminariet kommer hållas under Internetdagarna och varför inte också 
beskåda TLS-seminariet? Det är alltså inträde till konferensen hela dagen 
efter möte #4.

Hur man anmäler sig med denna rabatt:

   - Anmälningsformulär för detta finns på
     http://www.internetdagarna.se/pages/konferens/anmalan
   - Kryssa i "Deltar endast 27 oktober"
   - Välj medlemsrabatt "FOSS" i menyn
   - Fyll i formuläret i övrigt - OBS under "Måltider" att de bara ska ha
     lunch den 27:e

  .SE fakturerar 1500 kr för detta, och det gäller alltså endast för de som 
har anmält sig till foss-sthlm möte #4.

Sista anmälningsdag för Internetdagarna är satt till 18 oktober.

(... och vi är just nu 65 anmälda till mötet)

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O f=F6r den som vill snacka lite extra kring FOSS-relaterat innan n=E4sta
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kommer dyka upp p=E5 den i Stockholm :)=20

> Date: Thu=2C 30 Sep 2010 00:37:34 +0200
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>=20
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kommer dyka upp p=E5 den i Stockholm :) 

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