From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 9 15:26:21 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (list@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o79DPsns020241; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:26:03 +0200 Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o79DPr2t020232 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:25:53 +0200 Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so4547979eyh.41 for ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.32.141 with SMTP id c13mr2874941ebd.75.1281360350765; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (90-230-82-174-no110.tbcn.telia.com [90.230.82.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v59sm7830160eeh.16.2010.08.09.06.25.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Karl-K=F6nig_K=F6nigsson?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Intressant_domslut_f=F6r_FOSS?= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:25:46 +0200 Message-Id: <640301D6-4B78-4001-9882-2C6FB13A9FD1@ddp.se> To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:26:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:25:53 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0997915753==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0997915753== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-257951783 --Apple-Mail-1-257951783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 En intressant dom f=E4lldes i somras i en domstol i New York r=F6rande = f=F6retag som hade inkluderat BusyBox i sina l=F6sningar utan att f=F6lja = licenskraven i GPL: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/aug/03/busybox-gpl/ = http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/court-rules-gpl-part-of-a-= well-pleaded-case.ars Det =E4r sp=E4nnande att se att det h=E4nder saker runt det rent = juridiska i FOSS och, framf=F6r allt, visar det att GPL et al. inte =E4r = de tandl=F6sa tigrar som de l=E4nge har setts som. Karl-K=F6nig K=F6nigsson --=20 Donald Davies & Partners http://www.ddp.se/ <')\\\>< --Apple-Mail-1-257951783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 En = intressant dom f=E4lldes i somras i en domstol i New York r=F6rande = f=F6retag som hade inkluderat BusyBox i sina l=F6sningar utan att f=F6lja = licenskraven i GPL:


Det =E4r sp=E4nnande att se att det h=E4nder saker = runt det rent juridiska i FOSS och, framf=F6r allt, visar det att GPL et = al. inte =E4r de tandl=F6sa tigrar som de l=E4nge har setts = som.



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V=E4ldigt intressant.

Lite roligt att det verkar va= ra n=E5gon slags nordbo som st=E4mt dem ocks=E5.



2010/8/9 Karl-K=F6nig K=F6nigsson <karl-konig.konigsson@ddp.se>
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 --000e0cd185c2d49553048d8f7007-- --===============0368038886== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0368038886==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 12 16:51:15 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7CEoqfh028017; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:51:03 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7CEopVD028010 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:50:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:50:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Lokal_till_v=E5rt_community_hack=3F?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-1463815109-1281624651=:24455" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:51:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:50:51 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-1463815109-1281624651=:24455 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hejsan Det är nu bara ett par veckor kvar till Foss-sthlm och OWASP Sveriges community hack (http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote3.html) och vi har inte spikat någon lokal ännu! Intresset för att delta verkar vara rätt lågt, så vi behöver bara utrymme för kanske 15-20 pers. Är det någon här som sitter på en lokal i ett hyfsat bra geografiskt läge för att husera en oss en lördag-söndag? Och ni som vill delta men inte har anmält er ännu, det är nu en bra tid att bestämma er och kliva fram och anmäla er så vi får ordenlig koll på hur många vi blir så tidigt som möjligt! (Förresten så är vi numera över 220 pers på listan. Får jag gissa på att vi är en av Sveriges största sammanslutningar inom foss?) -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-1463815109-1281624651=:24455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-1463815109-1281624651=:24455-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 17 22:44:32 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HKiC0g016900; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:44:21 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HKiBmU016893 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:44:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:44:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?F=F6redrag_p=E5_oktoberm=F6tet!=3F?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-783389148-1282077851=:7355" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:44:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:44:11 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-783389148-1282077851=:7355 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hejsan alla 226 medlemmar! Den 26:e oktober[*] öppnar vi portarna till ännu ett foss-sthlm möte på klassiskt manér: Vi snackar om drygt tre timmar intressanta föredrag från personer som vet vad de pratar om. 100% foss-relaterat. Vilket föredrag vill DU hålla för oss då? Vilket föredrag eller föredragare vill DU höra då? (Inspiration till föredrag finns förstås på http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) Jag vet att det är rätt lång tid kvar, men det är dags att börja samla ihop lite trådar. Jag kommer även att öppna upp för anmälningar inom kort. Bocka för i kalendern, damma av dina slajds och börja planera för höst-foss! [*] = http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-783389148-1282077851=:7355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-783389148-1282077851=:7355-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Aug 18 00:33:33 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HMXJXl012390; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:33:24 +0200 Received: from snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.77]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HMXFZX012349 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:33:16 +0200 Received: from SNT135-W11 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.100.110.172] From: Martin Jernberg To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_F=F6redr?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ag_p=E5_okto?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?berm=F6tet!=3F?= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:33:06 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2010 22:33:05.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[29371460:01CB3E5C] X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:33:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:33:17 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1824503800==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============1824503800== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e495bd4d-f5c2-4cb5-a6f8-16145ebf30f1_" --_e495bd4d-f5c2-4cb5-a6f8-16145ebf30f1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jag kommer garanterat :) Date: Tue=2C 17 Aug 2010 22:44:11 +0200 From: daniel@haxx.se To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: F=F6redrag p=E5 oktoberm=F6tet!? Hejsan alla 226 medlemmar! =20 Den 26:e oktober[*] =F6ppnar vi portarna till =E4nnu ett foss-sthlm m=F6te = p=E5=20 klassiskt man=E9r: Vi snackar om drygt tre timmar intressanta f=F6redrag fr= =E5n=20 personer som vet vad de pratar om. 100% foss-relaterat. =20 Vilket f=F6redrag vill DU h=E5lla f=F6r oss d=E5? =20 Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration til= l f=F6redrag=20 finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) =20 Jag vet att det =E4r r=E4tt l=E5ng tid kvar=2C men det =E4r dags att b=F6rj= a samla ihop=20 lite tr=E5dar. Jag kommer =E4ven att =F6ppna upp f=F6r anm=E4lningar inom k= ort. =20 Bocka f=F6r i kalendern=2C damma av dina slajds och b=F6rja planera f=F6r h= =F6st-foss! =20 [*] =3D http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html =20 --=20 =20 / daniel.haxx.se _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm = --_e495bd4d-f5c2-4cb5-a6f8-16145ebf30f1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jag kommer garanterat :)

Date: Tue=2C 17 Aug 2010 22:44:11 +0200
= From: daniel@haxx.se
To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
Subject: F=F6redrag = p=E5 oktoberm=F6tet!?

Hejsan alla 226 medlemmar!
 
Den 26=
:e oktober[*] =F6ppnar vi portarna till =E4nnu ett foss-sthlm m=F6te p=E5 <=
br>klassiskt man=E9r: Vi snackar om drygt tre timmar intressanta f=F6redrag=
 fr=E5n 
personer som vet vad de pratar om. 100% foss-relaterat.
 Vilket f=F6redrag vill DU h=E5lla f=F6r oss d=E5?
 
Vilket f=F6redra=
g eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration till f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html)
 
Jag vet a=
tt det =E4r r=E4tt l=E5ng tid kvar=2C men det =E4r dags att b=F6rja samla i=
hop 
lite tr=E5dar. Jag kommer =E4ven att =F6ppna upp f=F6r anm=E4lninga=
r inom kort.
 
Bocka f=F6r i kalendern=2C damma av dina slajds och b=
=F6rja planera f=F6r h=F6st-foss!
 
[*] =3D http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.h=
tml
 
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  / daniel.haxx.se

_______________= ________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm = --_e495bd4d-f5c2-4cb5-a6f8-16145ebf30f1_-- --===============1824503800== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============1824503800==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Aug 18 00:43:17 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HMhBsn017331; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:13 +0200 Received: from mail.krampe.se (mail.krampe.se [207.210.65.31]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7HMh9WK017323 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:10 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (unknown [91.190.138.112]) by mail.krampe.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB45EF5BF for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C6B1076.6060207@krampe.se> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:02 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Krampe?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100720 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm Subject: Och 7 dagar innan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=F6te_4=3A_Smalltalk_=26?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_andra_dynamiska_spr=E5k?= X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:43:10 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej allihop! Det h=E4r =E4r en liten "intresse-prob": Jag, tillsammans med flera andra personer, h=E5ller p=E5 med att koka ihop = ett event den 19:e oktober, troligen fr=E5n 16-22, gratis (men man f=E5r = antagligen betala sin egen middag) och troligen p=E5 en mycket trevlig = plats mitt i Stockholm, dock med aningens begr=E4nsat utrymme, kanske = cirka 35 deltagare. Inneh=E5llet kommer att vara presentationer/debatter/demon mm i =E4mnet = Smalltalk mixat med presentationer i n=E4rliggande =E4mnen "inom familjen" = dvs andra dynamiska spr=E5k mm. Den exakta titeln och inneh=E5llsmixen =E4r = fortfarande "in the air". Ifall detta l=E5ter sp=E4nnande, maila goran@krampe.se med namn mm. Och = s=E5klart, ifall du har n=E5got kul att presentera :) OBS: Ett mail i detta l=E4ge =E4r inte en anm=E4lan i sig. Vi f=F6rs=F6ker = som = b=E4st med att f=E5 grepp p=E5 intresset, eftersom det bland annat omfattar = bes=F6kare fr=E5n annat land. mvh G=F6ran _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 19 18:37:07 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JGai2R022791; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:36:54 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JGagd1022782 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:36:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:36:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_F=F6redrag_p=E5_oktoberm=F6tet!=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-744125944-1282235802=:12814" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:37:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:36:42 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-744125944-1282235802=:12814 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > Vilket föredrag eller föredragare vill DU höra då? (Inspiration till > föredrag finns förstås på http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) Okej, det här börjar ju rätt segt men jag kör väl igång själv och erbjuder mig att hålla: Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man bör göra och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter från de ~20 projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett och alla de andra projekt jag bara är användare av. ... eftersom Göran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra något i samma stil så tänkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde försöka oss på att köra någon form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med Göran än så jag vill inte lova för mycket! ;-) -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-744125944-1282235802=:12814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-744125944-1282235802=:12814-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 19 18:39:00 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JGcuwR023442; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:38:57 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JGcsPF023430 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:38:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:38:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: Meego och/eller Android? Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-1037440179-1282235934=:12814" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:38:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:38:55 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-1037440179-1282235934=:12814 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hejsan Jag skulle gärna höra ett föredrag om Meego och/eller Android och kanske något om hur man gör/kommer igång med utveckling till dem, vilka de första fallgroparna är eller så. Någon/några här som känner att de skulle kunna snacka om något dyligt i oktober? -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-1037440179-1282235934=:12814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-1037440179-1282235934=:12814-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 19 19:15:27 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JHFFwF018373; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:15:21 +0200 Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JHFE7e018360 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:15:14 +0200 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2132062bwz.41 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=PHL8n1m6bDHM5w1aHGNIsHh59K/fS2yjim16+wM3aVI=; b=sEubD+MuFyTQO+LZ1AAA8ZTDVXD9Wbmsf0BjqNx8DfaLG4WnflJYhywS9OgywxnrB+ G0IObSnTL0ko2SfKmsqRJG8P4TiCTN/Ho7Dc5QeYHeTw4jhw8k4DEKq3LOEGFhPcJ1zK lRtzaRbiZZy+kih+K/KhvlyjJUr4iTX0gYTP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=mhAUenfPwUGAvi1mZUTfCjcFnHAWLbFjYINMV3E+bXaQz6uU7q3ahJyODYUQ5RN/Q0 Hhxzwf3lYgt/GRE0sJC3Nxtn3ua6+R2PxSARJXZSVT0ooFdt7vVdnjmFvYlOc1HK4AZn VHAqUS5sHPYYOjXx1lmnDqqmyoud7ZqUe7LwA= Received: by 10.204.117.205 with SMTP id s13mr67902bkq.140.1282238111528; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmnlinux.localnet (h106n3-sto-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com [213.64.95.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x19sm1262831bkv.9.2010.08.19.10.15.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Melin To: "foss-sthlm" Subject: =?utf-8?q?F=C3=B6redrag_om_migrering_fr=C3=A5n_MS_Office_till?= =?utf-8?q?_Openoffice=3F?= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:15:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-24-generic; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:15:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:15:14 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h=F6ra o= m vad = som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar, mak= ron, GUI- skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det = k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. /Daniel M _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 19 20:51:48 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JIpXDI011697; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:51:39 +0200 Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JIpU3r011646 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:51:31 +0200 Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so1159396ywk.41 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qrWC8mfE0RUeULyAKBgJTeLvza7u3itj0+ISURNROdg=; b=Yv7fIP3xO9tDSU9ILQnSdnabepL0uO7LBJKp3MDY4YjSTZUKANTU/jnviB94/lPxia FzynlPlCNMrDYfqGExq1FzJuonAXOo0yzyzj03oYEANShp7dkyz2w7hdWtamd1d2gBSW Ics4FntbpBB1pY7RRmUdLHF0wRjPsUFlsXByM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=I6JVrSN04iSCzMAssKAWtAop6uCd1SKKSm8IA+Zn9bGKN56yn+Z5GkHcZwfSrkHag3 neINMvThgLtjkvFc/3grRKdvHtxDfgj57clRAz/BpPdvABTtxFrfZ8gMxmFjXKwqwd8o Mq7HmQzqylhWocYUnVe/oyH2o0/1pCi3R5Ekw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.53.11 with SMTP id b11mr735026yba.14.1282243880440; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.1 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:51:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: P3cTkhmRbPszQi060JEEPckbJuY Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEb2cmVkcmFnIHDlIG9rdG9iZXJt9nRldCE/?= From: Jonas Forsslund To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:51:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:51:31 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 /Jonas Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > >> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration = till >> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) > > Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng sj=E4= lv och erbjuder > mig att h=E5lla: > > =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b=F6r= g=F6ra > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter fr= =E5n de ~20 projekt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett oc= h alla de andra > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. > > ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5got i s= amma > stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 att = k=F6ra n=E5gon > form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s=E5 jag = vill inte > lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) > > -- > > =A0/ daniel.haxx.se > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 19 21:12:49 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JJCh1q027355; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:45 +0200 Received: from vic20.blipp.com (vic20.blipp.com [217.75.101.38]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7JJCgQr027350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:42 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2001:16d8:cc4f:1001:21f:f3ff:fe54:eb8a] (unknown [IPv6:2001:16d8:cc4f:1001:21f:f3ff:fe54:eb8a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by vic20.blipp.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7463381CD; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Patrik Wallstrom In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:38 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:12:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Peter Svensson X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0683704501==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0683704501== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-47--1004719213; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail-47--1004719213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > Hejsan >=20 > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android = och kanske n=E5got om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till = dem, vilka de f=F6rsta fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. >=20 > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5got= dyligt i oktober? Peter Svensson, cc:ad. 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h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mA2R04oHBLMA05kSG49mbqQODnJyeng87twjNs42UrA=; b=ljmHIHVtgKGe7fysIg8WJIzYTb1o8gygL46Ei7PQnl2R6nW0oWbG+xneHCThY4sXpm KCA/UVg+caBPPyNZrSS2pjLvRUiW2UhRDnPOy56i2vh49JesVayIuTR7K7ft8CKWYBOX pSOaq10oESjD+Ba7wXAnRYP0jWkiX2ZPkBU7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DN1msjJ3YMlAYoaJVZ/tOVQhnCnmzDDaZsnwIQBQ8rGvw6r2/ks8A9robr9UMMFjpm UiEBGguWUvdrD5FWCwXcNFwqvQCshU2V3WmqiaOUGIjo+fpv6pvRKaHvQwNdfZvYG3M/ o0JXb8fdHOQ5AHr6BhCEM4Yh2HwWdDCTlhaCw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.159.6 with SMTP id r6mr1024630wek.55.1282246322049; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.27.149 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:32:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Peter Svensson To: Patrik Wallstrom Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001485f44d188a57cf048e323ceb X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:33:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:32:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:33:36 +0200 Cc: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --001485f44d188a57cf048e323ceb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44d188a57b8048e323ce9 --001485f44d188a57b8048e323ce9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hej, Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technology U= ser Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) Dessutom har vi ett Android Hackathon med fokus p=E5 retro-gaming den 11/9; https://sites.google.com/site/stockholmgtug/hackathon-2010-09 Mvh, PS 2010/8/19 Patrik Wallstrom > > On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > > > Hejsan > > > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android och= kanske > n=E5got om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de= f=F6rsta > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > > > > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5go= t dyligt i > oktober? > > Peter Svensson, cc:ad. Borde kunna allt om Android vid det h=E4r laget. > > --=20 These are the droids you're looking for: http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html -- http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson -- http://twitter.com/psvensson --001485f44d188a57b8048e323ce9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hej,

Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5ll= it i Google Technology User Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen = Android Only i slutet av september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android= kan jag faktiskt :)
Dessutom har vi ett Android Hackathon med fokus p=E5 retro-gaming den = 11/9;=A0https://sites.google.com/site/stockholmgtug/hackathon-2010-09

Mvh,
PS

2010/8/= 19 Patrik Wallstrom <pawal@blipp.com>

On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote:

> Hejsan
>
> Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android oc= h kanske n=E5got om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, v= ilka de f=F6rsta fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5.
>
> N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5g= ot dyligt i oktober?

Peter Svensson, cc:ad. Borde kunna allt om Android vid det h=E4r laget.




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From: Jeremiah Foster In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:37:07 -0400 Message-Id: <469E7DB7-8E66-4410-9357-CB70182995CE@pelagicore.com> References: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:38:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:37:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:38:27 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Jag kan g=F6ra det men =E4r inte h=E4r p=E5 den tiden tyv=E4rr. Vi har GENI= VI face to face i Detroit och CELF i Cambridge. = Jeremiah On Aug 19, 2010, at 15:17, Johan Thelin wrote: > Vi borde ju ha n=E5got, t.ex. du, som kan prata om MeeGo? > = > MVH > = > Johan Thelin > = > Recommended on-line reading: > http://www.thelins.se | http://www.qtcentre.org > Recommended off-line reading: > The Foundations of Qt Development (ISBN: 1-59059-831-8) > = > = > = > = > = > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Daniel Stenberg > Date: 2010/8/19 > Subject: Meego och/eller Android? > To: foss-sthlm > = > = > Hejsan > = > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android och > kanske n=E5got om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, > vilka de f=F6rsta fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > = > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5got = dyligt i oktober? > = > -- > = > / daniel.haxx.se > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jeremiah C. 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If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 20 14:41:53 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KCfa0t024803; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:42 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KCfYLL024761 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:34 +0200 Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so2603654ewy.41 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.56.17 with SMTP id w17mr1347930ebg.76.1282308092196; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:41:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.22.138 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [194.132.19.77] In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam H Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEb2cmVkcmFnIHDlIG9rdG9iZXJt9nRldCE/?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:34 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund : > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 > /Jonas > > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: >> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration= till >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) >> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng sj= =E4lv och erbjuder >> mig att h=E5lla: >> >> =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b=F6= r g=F6ra >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter fr= =E5n de ~20 projekt >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett o= ch alla de andra >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. >> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5got i = samma >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 att= k=F6ra n=E5gon >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s=E5 jag= vill inte >> lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) >> >> -- >> >> =A0/ daniel.haxx.se >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> >> > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 20 14:53:55 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KCrmqW031389; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:53:51 +0200 Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KCrkg1031364 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:53:47 +0200 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so1413016pzk.41 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:53:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dwfEu0xmMU8J+veWiW11wpLgj+G1g5Fbul1nEj4uxX4=; b=gpYDAgDihUBMfNlhwWzXyWnmFgWITT02f3to9zja58/L1OCuo/VW71Il7eHi7hDuL6 rfko/Fi7xKSA9rqCnUPOEbrSioI0TaObJPIdLmIv27KjpMTEsNc3IWS/uXLIeKNvFdYV mM2AWkej/8GAm40+RkENzEXC+yWcFJ8pka+b4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=edUUjIYZHVMjglZdaT4dzYMifepjflUdNoNStO66UU7mTBuT3nybqS0SUA92ddU/cp bcKqU01OOuasgKiPbwXSoz1ranEv19fgWKt6RT4ffcHoWgGBtgBliQ8+gv1sWZGIJrLN I8HWpsZKjrdC8LrQYR443pK634fzoXuchnrHY= Received: by 10.142.158.13 with SMTP id g13mr969575wfe.232.1282308818574; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mobile-Workstation.localdomain (capgeminitop.capgemini.se [193.234.247.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b19sm3204603wff.19.2010.08.20.05.53.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:53:30 +0200 From: Daniel Kuehn To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?RsO2cmVkcmFnIHDDpSBva3RvYmVybcO2dGV0IT8=?= Message-ID: <20100820145330.792a533c@Mobile-Workstation.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:53:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:53:47 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om detta ocks=E5. -- = Mvh Daniel Kuehn On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200 Adam H wrote: > Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling > = > =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se > = > Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund : > > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 > > /Jonas > > > > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : > >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > >> > >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspirati= on till > >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.htm= l) > >> > >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng sj= =E4lv och erbjuder > >> mig att h=E5lla: > >> > >> =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b= =F6r g=F6ra > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter f= r=E5n de ~20 > >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett och alla de and= ra > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. > >> > >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5got = i samma > >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 a= tt k=F6ra n=E5gon > >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s=E5 j= ag vill > >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) > >> > >> -- > >> > >> =A0/ daniel.haxx.se > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 20 16:56:15 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KEtxtN001945; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:56:06 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KEtwfF001921 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:55:58 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so3966502vws.41 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AgeemwvNtam8v2kupzVDbL59GqSZ1V+QXizS7ChwNig=; b=Y2BPssfgpy+EbAayfQYsOTyDWettwQhZslVprJNtQVVyCePGJgCe+cuOTsv9imiNIG naJCfHHvs6Adosr5R5ZbUyTr10va9p7VcW+iVvohXGOBCoiLpuWIs/V4Wq3qG4q497JT CPjlTADYcsEywnRoiV7BaMtQeW3V3ZANXy1TI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=t0YJGMuJFUir1eIH+eZVF3b7VT5bXm/VyEV57kAuqtlsSwVak3FCTkioNzc68PQgSj TPinD3SSaHFIszxgMWji4XkXLMTajBMjKQRLM4rElKICXzTjnN9/tchQaPvwLR5c9PMS /eQ0QBBjPVbzrnG7aLOOA0ZX4NMXMYt6nQUJ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.127.94 with SMTP id f30mr959935vcs.75.1282316150182; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.90.18 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100820145330.792a533c@Mobile-Workstation.localdomain> References: <20100820145330.792a533c@Mobile-Workstation.localdomain> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:55:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pq5H7OMjvNmj6qHNgHCOjNOurno Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEbDtnJlZHJhZyBww6Ugb2t0b2Jlcm3DtnRldCE/?= From: Sima Baymani To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:56:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:55:58 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: sima@kth.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se +1 p=E5 linuxdrivare 2010/8/20 Daniel Kuehn : > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om detta ocks=E5. > > -- > Mvh > Daniel Kuehn > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200 > Adam H wrote: > >> Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling >> >> =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se >> >> Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund : >> > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 >> > /Jonas >> > >> > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : >> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: >> >> >> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspirat= ion till >> >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.ht= ml) >> >> >> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng s= j=E4lv och erbjuder >> >> mig att h=E5lla: >> >> >> >> =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b= =F6r g=F6ra >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter = fr=E5n de ~20 >> >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett och alla de an= dra >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. >> >> >> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5got= i samma >> >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 = att k=F6ra n=E5gon >> >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s=E5 = jag vill >> >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> =A0/ daniel.haxx.se >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 20 17:12:25 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KFCIrq014780; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:12:20 +0200 Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KFCG8V014769 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:12:17 +0200 Received: by qwg5 with SMTP id 5so3825046qwg.41 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=y/jWu5r+WpnDmQL1NlqZBdq0qf3IStojiS8IZxjwAGY=; b=aszLpwvw6N49nkLhtrsDvIJxcEODEdhtToqpfmtpY7nQoCjFZeMgHJ2nqu0uAYvjiq o44ELMty4i6E/lOEINOVKAdJwo0Dk95LhcwkaCsFqkaFrD8Iq58cfrsfnT9rmyp99vrx Dt66VeqbAFaOgVy3BYjoqpSHqI+mQXrjlCIVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IB+qUSxwwSf/MeJMA5HbcALqJ1ctR4oLPDZG43u7lIlAcdcKskSmgDslb6TcLcxLsB 9ZCPD7rmRFVPYzF44eX9qYnfuVBnESH6RQmZ2+oRN7Dvax+7XC+pn7zd1LWgcQieko+b wrkN1RgQGEJHv7qClYyrFitJRFCjwNIrlweO0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.109.137 with SMTP id j9mr1057634qap.209.1282317126569; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.246.2 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100820145330.792a533c@Mobile-Workstation.localdomain> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:12:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: u7mgHISc_aIdGRaXmEV-0PFG1Bs Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEb2cmVkcmFnIHDlIG9rdG9iZXJt9nRldCE/?= From: Johan Henriksson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:12:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:12:17 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0811781793==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0811781793== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9b060fd190c3048e42b897 --00c09f9b060fd190c3048e42b897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I samband med detta; kan n=E5gon med erfarenhet tala om hur de reverse engineer:ar h=E5rdvara? d=E5 inte enkla seriellsaker med textgr=E4nssnitt u= tan PCI-kort och d=E4romkring. vilka verktyg finns och hur fungerar interfacen? /Johan 2010/8/20 Sima Baymani > +1 p=E5 linuxdrivare > > 2010/8/20 Daniel Kuehn : > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om detta ocks=E5. > > > > -- > > Mvh > > Daniel Kuehn > > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200 > > Adam H wrote: > > > >> Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling > >> > >> =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se > >> > >> Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund < > jonas@forsslundsystems.se>: > >> > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 > >> > /Jonas > >> > > >> > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : > >> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspir= ation till > >> >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.= html) > >> >> > >> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng= sj=E4lv och > erbjuder > >> >> mig att h=E5lla: > >> >> > >> >> Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b= =F6r > g=F6ra > >> >> och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter fr=E5n de = ~20 > >> >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett och alla de > andra > >> >> projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. > >> >> > >> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5g= ot i > samma > >> >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p= =E5 att k=F6ra > n=E5gon > >> >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s= =E5 jag > vill > >> >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> / daniel.haxx.se > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --=20 ----------------------------------------------------------- Johan Henriksson PhD student, Karolinska Institutet http://mahogny.areta.org http://www.endrov.net --00c09f9b060fd190c3048e42b897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I samband med detta; kan n=E5gon med erfarenhet tala om hur de reverse engi= neer:ar h=E5rdvara? d=E5 inte enkla seriellsaker med textgr=E4nssnitt utan = PCI-kort och d=E4romkring. vilka verktyg finns och hur fungerar interfacen?=

/Johan

2010/8/20 Sima Baymani <sima@kth.se>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border= -left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +1 p=E5 linuxdrivare

2010/8/20 Daniel Kuehn <enhaisa@gma= il.com>:
> Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om= detta ocks=E5.
>
> --
> Mvh
> Daniel Kuehn
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200
> Adam H <adisbladis@m68k.se> wrote:
>
>> Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling
>>
>> =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se
>>
>> Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund <jonas@forsslundsystems.se>:
>> > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5
>> > /Jonas
>> >
>> > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra = d=E5? (Inspiration till
>> >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/t= alks.html)
>> >>
>> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v= =E4l ig=E5ng sj=E4lv och erbjuder
>> >> mig att h=E5lla:
>> >>
>> >> =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lycka= s, vad man b=F6r g=F6ra
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med e= rfarenheter fr=E5n de ~20
>> >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett oc= h alla de andra
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare= av.
>> >>
>> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna= dra n=E5got i samma
>> >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 att k=F6ra n=E5go= n
>> >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ra= n =E4n s=E5 jag vill
>> >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> =A0/ = daniel.haxx.se
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> = http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>> >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/f= oss-sthlm
>> >>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > http= ://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-= sthlm
>> >
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>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm=
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--00c09f9b060fd190c3048e42b897-- --===============0811781793== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0811781793==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 20 17:15:31 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KFFQUh016643; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:15:26 +0200 Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7KFFNLn016615 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:15:24 +0200 Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so3621629qyk.20 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=f9GRaDhH68B3DnMqdKDJZGyvLkwlbnD8Y1rpuAOZFv0=; b=Fn2HX+y/IFk6A1gtzpjIp8hPGJvML0nPvZ7FBCFq/xRmv1cSVvnUtkcxI14TVFq5Fq G7MFkBEv0xjwKwtvmR97nID7BUrodBZamCcKjBw5pF/lUy7YA7r6g6Q07SlQ9tF/seBm kVEmNVvKlcqnQXBDC4Dgrum0fpFfzynHxzZcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UCu3hhDENYta4r3h2rjXaLPaTDaFRXLOAolJvZKDNzuhyhkvW1J/+nciabxIrG0DMT adwyv95G5VR9iqFkh3vW23NawxHSChBerJrDFHk3a6amp9wp9oAJa3SyuGqRoEdaAdCt IqgsYh5VkTWUpWwj3+f+kPoySX/e4Oc2L76OA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.131 with SMTP id ic3mr1185122qcb.152.1282317315990; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.21.142 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:15:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100820145330.792a533c@Mobile-Workstation.localdomain> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:15:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEb2cmVkcmFnIHDlIG9rdG9iZXJt9nRldCE/?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_G=F6ransson?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:15:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:15:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0485753660==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0485753660== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362841a41be3fc048e42c4f3 --0016362841a41be3fc048e42c4f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jag skulle vilja att n=E5gon gick igenom old-school Assembler programmering f=F6r SNES eller NES. *suck*, men det =E4r v=E4l bara en dr=F6m. :-) --=20 Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning, Bj=F6rn A. G=F6ransson Den 20 augusti 2010 16:55 skrev Sima Baymani : > +1 p=E5 linuxdrivare > > 2010/8/20 Daniel Kuehn : > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om detta ocks=E5. > > > > -- > > Mvh > > Daniel Kuehn > > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200 > > Adam H wrote: > > > >> Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling > >> > >> =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se > >> > >> Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund < > jonas@forsslundsystems.se>: > >> > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5 > >> > /Jonas > >> > > >> > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg : > >> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspir= ation till > >> >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.= html) > >> >> > >> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v=E4l ig=E5ng= sj=E4lv och > erbjuder > >> >> mig att h=E5lla: > >> >> > >> >> Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lyckas, vad man b= =F6r > g=F6ra > >> >> och vad man helst undviker. Med erfarenheter fr=E5n de = ~20 > >> >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett och alla de > andra > >> >> projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare av. > >> >> > >> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna dra n=E5g= ot i > samma > >> >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p= =E5 att k=F6ra > n=E5gon > >> >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ran =E4n s= =E5 jag > vill > >> >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-) > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> / daniel.haxx.se > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --0016362841a41be3fc048e42c4f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jag skulle vilja att n=E5gon gick igenom old-school Assemb= ler programmering f=F6r SNES eller NES.

*suck*, men det =E4r v=E4l b= ara en dr=F6m. :-)

--
Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning,
Bj=F6rn A. G= =F6ransson


Den 20 augusti 2010 16:55 skrev Sima Baymani <sima@kth.se>:
+1 p=E5 linuxdrivare

2010/8/20 Daniel Kuehn <enhaisa@gma= il.com>:
> Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra n=E5got om= detta ocks=E5.
>
> --
> Mvh
> Daniel Kuehn
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:41:12 +0200
> Adam H <adisbladis@m68k.se> wrote:
>
>> Linux drivers - snudda vid driverutveckling
>>
>> =C4r ett tal jag mer =E4n g=E4rna skulle vilja se
>>
>> Den 19 augusti 2010 20:51 skrev Jonas Forsslund <jonas@forsslundsystems.se>:
>> > Det lyssnar jag hemskt g=E4rna p=E5
>> > /Jonas
>> >
>> > Den 19 augusti 2010 18:36 skrev Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra = d=E5? (Inspiration till
>> >>> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/t= alks.html)
>> >>
>> >> Okej, det h=E4r b=F6rjar ju r=E4tt segt men jag k=F6r v= =E4l ig=E5ng sj=E4lv och erbjuder
>> >> mig att h=E5lla:
>> >>
>> >> =A0Maintain - att leda open source projekt, hur man lycka= s, vad man b=F6r g=F6ra
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 och vad man helst undviker. Med e= rfarenheter fr=E5n de ~20
>> >> projekt jag deltagit direkt i, de ~10 projekt jag lett oc= h alla de andra
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 projekt jag bara =E4r anv=E4ndare= av.
>> >>
>> >> ... eftersom G=F6ran Krampe tidigare sagt sig vilja/kunna= dra n=E5got i samma
>> >> stil s=E5 t=E4nkte jag att vi kanske t.om kunde f=F6rs=F6ka oss p=E5 att k=F6ra n=E5go= n
>> >> form av par-dragning. (Jag har inte ens kollat med G=F6ra= n =E4n s=E5 jag vill
>> >> inte lova f=F6r mycket! ;-)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> =A0/ = daniel.haxx.se
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> = http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>> >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/f= oss-sthlm
>> >>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > http= ://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-= sthlm
>> >
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From: Peter Svensson To: Daniel Stenberg X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:01:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:55:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:01:32 +0200 Cc: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1356798963==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============1356798963== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fabb12a5dae048e50bbdc --0016367fabb12a5dae048e50bbdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. Men ja= g beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva plattforme= n (OS, Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med utvecklin= g p=E5 Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i listan s=E5 jag ha= r inte n=E5got context just nu :) Mvh, PS 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: > > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technolog= y User >> Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av >> september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) >> > > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5= 30-40 > minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som vi kan = =F6vertyga? > > -- > > / daniel.haxx.se --=20 These are the droids you're looking for: http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html -- http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson -- http://twitter.com/psvensson --0016367fabb12a5dae048e50bbdc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. Men ja= g beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva plattfor= men (OS, Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med = utveckling p=E5 Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i li= stan s=E5 jag har inte n=E5got context just nu :)

Mvh,
PS

2010/8/20 Danie= l Stenberg <daniel@h= axx.se>
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote:

Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technology U= ser Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av= september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :)

Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 3= 0-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som vi ka= n =F6vertyga?

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--0016367fabb12a5dae048e50bbdc-- --===============1356798963== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============1356798963==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 22 15:52:15 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7MDptWw003946; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:52:03 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7MDprs9003870 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:51:54 +0200 Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so5450418wwb.11 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:51:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.6.133 with SMTP id 5mr1437385wen.32.1282485105645; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.25 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.227.236.110] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:51:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Michael Boman To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:52:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta "hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man pratar grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle vara trevligt. Mvh Michael Boman On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: > Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. Men = jag beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva plattf= ormen (OS, Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng me= d utveckling p=E5 Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i = listan s=E5 jag har inte n=E5got context just nu :) > > Mvh, > PS > > 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: > > > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technology= User Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet = av september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) > > > > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5= 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som vi = kan =F6vertyga? > > > -- > > =A0/ daniel.haxx.se > > -- > These are the droids you're looking for: http://swdc-central.com/androido= nly/index.html > -- > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson > -- > http://twitter.com/psvensson > > -- = http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 22 15:56:35 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7MDuTV0005855; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:56:29 +0200 Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7MDuRkR005828 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:56:27 +0200 Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so7033931wyj.41 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:56:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7o/WGTh5BHTG8BVcs5Hcth9lmdLTXTzyLj/wNKbGZqc=; b=P1wkxZGaudJrNVojkjScINZ3a9VySz0biu2udtLa7x7lPN9NTcE13hjogLZkbAbbQc ecUKnopqv2AhlnO0UyGJ4rKP0HMXdqCB57lw37Zdf4JpfVqHB2Un8ODCrnmAYf035lRk oWFqpIJSpgJ4WZBN/C6oa2yONTZVN5g7d39zA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tNu5hU0MbeXorHLL7hxIeA4e3E/IHQ+kP5z6yF17Tk11d365MRGxGq+PWbAIuXddKZ rz2x3xlspP7Pf1neGltqZMCIFYcBWabaP3XegGq8O0MuyWWX5lKzhcfuMKVznXTAgQVc DKoM6pbFBFm0ZOuwLM9r+98mvGYH77m9Eskmo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.201 with SMTP id 51mr1425844wex.72.1282485379147; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.165.7 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:56:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:56:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Peter Svensson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:56:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:56:27 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0704164457==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0704164457== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c7bd17427d4048e69e5ef --0016364c7bd17427d4048e69e5ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, det =E4r inga problem. Ett exempel p=E5 uppl=E4gg skulle vara; 1. Hur man f=F6rbereder f=F6r utveckling (installation, plugin till eclipse= , ladda ner senaste sakerna, USB till telefon, Emulator, et.c.) 2. Hello world / Hello Net / Hello GL :) 3. Vanliga problem mvh, PS 2010/8/22 Michael Boman > Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta > "hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man pratar > grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle vara > trevligt. > > Mvh > Michael Boman > > On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: > > Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. Me= n jag > beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva plattfor= men (OS, > Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med utveckl= ing p=E5 > Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i listan s=E5 jag = har > inte n=E5got context just nu :) > > > > Mvh, > > PS > > > > 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: > > > > > > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technolo= gy User > Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av > september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) > > > > > > > > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p= =E5 > 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som vi= kan > =F6vertyga? > > > > > > -- > > > > / daniel.haxx.se > > > > -- > > These are the droids you're looking for: > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html > > -- > > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson > > -- > > http://twitter.com/psvensson > > > > > > -- > http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --=20 These are the droids you're looking for: http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html -- http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson -- http://twitter.com/psvensson --0016364c7bd17427d4048e69e5ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, det =E4r inga problem.=A0

Ett exempel p=E5 uppl=E4gg= skulle vara;

1. Hur man f=F6rbereder f=F6r utveck= ling (installation, plugin till eclipse, ladda ner senaste sakerna, USB til= l telefon, Emulator, et.c.)
2. Hello world / Hello Net / Hello GL :)
3. Vanliga problem<= /div>

mvh,
PS

2010/= 8/22 Michael Boman <michael@michaelboman.org>
Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng = och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta
"hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man = pratar
grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle var= a
trevligt.

Mvh
Michael Boman

On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson <psvensson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. M= en jag beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva pla= ttformen (OS, Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng= med utveckling p=E5 Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in= i listan s=E5 jag har inte n=E5got context just nu :)
>
> Mvh,
> PS
>
> 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg <daniel= @haxx.se>
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote:
>
>
> Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technol= ogy User Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slut= et av september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt := )
>
>
>
> Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p= =E5 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som = vi kan =F6vertyga?
>
>
> --
>
> =A0/ daniel.haxx.s= e
>
> --
> These are the droids you're looking for: http://swdc-central.com= /androidonly/index.html
> --
> = http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson
> --
> http://twit= ter.com/psvensson
>
>

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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============1635062247== Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hej Foss-sthlm! [Texten formulerad så elegant av John, se även http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote3.html för detaljerna samlat] Nu är det bara två veckor kvar till nästa event – Community Hack ihop med FOSS Sthlm. Därför glädjer det mig att vi lyckats hitta en organisation som ställer upp med lokal utan avgift, nämligen KTH vid Valhallavägen! Det är deras säkerhetsgrupp under ledning av Mads Dam som blir våra värdar. Tack och bock. *Vad* Community Hack är ett så kallat hackathon dit man tar med egen dator och hackar loss på något. Det kan vara att utveckla något nytt, arbeta vidare på sitt befintliga projekt, lära sig ett nytt verktyg, kolla upp en ny teknik, skriva en guide till något som är dåligt dokumenterat och så vidare. Fokus är på att _göra_ något under sociala former. Eftersom både OWASP och FOSS-sthlm är öppna och fria organisationer så uppmuntrar vi öppna och fria projekt. På Community Hacks wiki kan du nu lägga upp dina projekt(-förslag) så att andra kan se vad som kommer vara på agendan. Det ger chansen att haka på varandras projekt om man inte har något man själv vill pyssla med. Lägg upp projekt på en gång vettja: http://www.communityhack.org/community-hack-2/projektfoerslag-och-lankar Vi kommer inleda lördag morgon med en "stand up" där alla får berätta kort (sekunder snarare än minuter) vad de ska arbeta med. På samma sätt så summerar vi söndag eftermiddag. Lördag kväll gör vi något socialt tillsammans. *När* Helgen 4-5 september, dock utan övernattning :). *Var* KTH, "Torget", vån 6, Skolan för Datavetenskap och Kommunikation, CSC, Lindstedtsvägen 3, Stockholm http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?var=lindstedtsv%E4gen+3+stockholm *Anmälan* Alla medlemmar i OWASP Sweden och FOSS Sthlm är välkomna men antalet platser är begränsat till 80, varav hälften OWASP Sweden. Medlem blir man genom att gå med på någon av de två föreningarnas mejlinglistor (info finns via länken nedan). Sen är det bara att anmäla sig: http://communityhack2.eventbrite.com/ *Pris* Typ 2 kr per person för att betala communtyhack.org-domänen. Mest som en grej. Så ta med enkronor. *Cola-sponsor* Vi skulle gärna ha en cola-sponsor. Om ditt företag känner att ni vill bjuda communityn på läsk så hör av er till john.wilander@owasp.org. Billigare sponsring än så hittar ni inte. Anmäl er bums så ses vi där! Mvh, John, Daniel och Michael -- Daniel Stenberg --===============1635062247== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============1635062247==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 11:06:48 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7N96VHm015216; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:38 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7N96U9o015208 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:30 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0D5C18D429 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C723A19.7060400@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:33 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=F6redrag_om_migrering_fr=E5n_MS_O?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ffice_till_Openoffice=3F?= References: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> In-Reply-To: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:06:30 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej Daniel! Jag har ingen detaljkunskap i =E4mnet men var p=E5 en intressant konferens i maj f=F6rra =E5ret d=E4r bla Sundsvalls Kommun talade om detta. Konferensen hette OKOS - =D6ppen k=E4llkod i offentlig sektor. Vad jag f=F6rstod p=E5 denna konferens s=E5 ligger vissa kommuner s=E5 som Sundsvall och Karlstad l=E5ngt fram n=E4r det g=E4ller =F6ppen k=E4llkod. D= et finns en "programportal" a'la Sourceforge d=E4r de aktiva kommunerna bedriver utveckling och delar med sig av koden. jag minns dock inte vad portalen heter. Bland annat kan man p=E5 denna portal hitta ett system som Sundsvalls Kommun skapade som sedan andra byggt vidare p=E5. I detta system, som =E4r webbaserat, loggar man in och utifr=E5n organisatorisk tillh=F6righet erbjuds man mallar som fungerar b=E5de i OpenOffice och i MS-Office. Vill man tex ladda ner en faxmall eller beslutsdokumentsmall f=F6r sin avdelning f=E5r man alla uppgifter inkl eget namn automatiskt ifr=E5n sin inloggning. Vill man ha en mall f=F6r en annan avdelning eller bygga en mall sj=E4lv g=E5r det ocks=E5 bra att g=F6ra p=E5 webbsidan. Eftersom mall= arna genereras n=E4r de laddas ner f=E5r man alltid senaste version ist=E4llet f= =F6r att man hittar en gammal mall p=E5 en fileshare som =E4r f=F6r=E5ldrad osv. En rolig anekdot som personerna fr=E5n Sundsvall ber=E4ttade var att n=E4r = de skulle b=F6rja migrera till OpenOffice s=E5 hade de f=F6rst=E5ss en f=F6rst= udie och n=E5gon f=F6rs=F6ksavdelning f=F6r att se hur det hela skulle fungera. = N=E4r de v=E4l gjorde den stora utrullningen s=E5 sa de typ "att fr=E5n och med 1= /1 n=E4sta =E5r s=E5 =E4r OpenOffice standard p=E5 alla datorer. Ni som vill e= ller beh=F6ver anv=E4nda MS Office kan g=F6ra det men d=E5 tillkommer en till=E4ggskostnad p=E5 X kr/m=E5nad". De som h=F6ll i projektet var r=E4dda att det skulle bli ett fasligt liv om att de avinstallerat MS Office och installerat OpenOffice under julledigheten. Mottagandet blev det omv=E4nda, personalen sa "varf=F6r har vi kastat bort X kr/m=E5n/dator p=E5 MS Office alla dessa =E5r". Tyv=E4rr har jag inget material (typ pdf) ifr=E5n Sundsvalls presentationen men det kan vara v=E4rt att googla p=E5 Sundsvalls OpenSource-arbete eller rent av kontakta Sundsvalls Kommun f=F6r att f=E5 mer info. // Mem Den 2010-08-19 19:15, Daniel Melin skrev: > N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h=F6ra= om vad = > som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar, m= akron, GUI- > skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det = > k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. > = > /Daniel M > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 12:35:52 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAZceO003158; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:43 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAZZWI003146 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:36 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so6632644vws.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wxxCnLQJvNZ+7/4tqB0msU5U57zuhpuCqi8V6RgAIHE=; b=RNLZUQQ+UIxEV5CfCescguJ3TEsRKqTauayh/GQ1PNChFOFuhRh5WqzD6mrQK50Gb+ wNuDLKsnHe12p20/gCOo7bmMiEWxKYrHPNCbC+EWSWxYhtEx7DT6RjlenTpu9zujVwkm 0uazsQmGtvSxssu/pDnlPMzBWNBvfwwmVE/To= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=kcPJxFUieivLpJDyZEWGIyqE7mA94pQuyjQkjHTZL23R6jasEylb5Ct2DBzVzTCShp 0OmYlch6rG/JqMSQXtFRVyUYnX+kuPAC+M/hPXmWPIoX++x6WgykHUA2HdmsJyD9m2x4 FwhCPDujWHwaU0LTK11/AS1ENO6Ra1o17isdM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.127.81 with SMTP id f17mr2575767vcs.187.1282559727278; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.65 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C723A19.7060400@netnod.se> References: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> <4C723A19.7060400@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cmliqUDCMnAjaSmNXa4PYO0_HMM Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_F=C3=B6redrag_om_migrering_fr=C3=A5n_MS_Office_till_Open?= =?UTF-8?Q?office=3F?= From: Sima Baymani To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Cc: henrik.ekblad@gmail.com, jka@eminds.se X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: sima@kth.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Inte f=F6r att jag pysslar med just detta, men h=E5ller med om att det skulle vara ett intressant =E4mne. M=E5nga fallgropar och annat man kanske inte t=E4nkt p=E5, ocks=E5 intressant att h=F6ra f=F6rstahandserfarenhet et= c. Projektet med Sundsvall och de andra kommunerna l=E5ter onekligen intressant! CC:ar Henrik och Johan Ekblad som (om jag minns r=E4tt) gjorde n=E5t liknande uppdrag f=F6r n=E5gra =E5r sen? -Sima 2010/8/23 Magnus Sandberg : > Hej Daniel! > > Jag har ingen detaljkunskap i =E4mnet men var p=E5 en intressant konferen= s i > maj f=F6rra =E5ret d=E4r bla Sundsvalls Kommun talade om detta. Konferens= en > hette OKOS - =D6ppen k=E4llkod i offentlig sektor. > > Vad jag f=F6rstod p=E5 denna konferens s=E5 ligger vissa kommuner s=E5 som > Sundsvall och Karlstad l=E5ngt fram n=E4r det g=E4ller =F6ppen k=E4llkod.= Det > finns en "programportal" a'la Sourceforge d=E4r de aktiva kommunerna > bedriver utveckling och delar med sig av koden. jag minns dock inte vad > portalen heter. > > Bland annat kan man p=E5 denna portal hitta ett system som Sundsvalls > Kommun skapade som sedan andra byggt vidare p=E5. I detta system, som =E4r > webbaserat, loggar man in och utifr=E5n organisatorisk tillh=F6righet > erbjuds man mallar som fungerar b=E5de i OpenOffice och i MS-Office. Vill > man tex ladda ner en faxmall eller beslutsdokumentsmall f=F6r sin > avdelning f=E5r man alla uppgifter inkl eget namn automatiskt ifr=E5n sin > inloggning. Vill man ha en mall f=F6r en annan avdelning eller bygga en > mall sj=E4lv g=E5r det ocks=E5 bra att g=F6ra p=E5 webbsidan. Eftersom ma= llarna > genereras n=E4r de laddas ner f=E5r man alltid senaste version ist=E4llet= f=F6r > att man hittar en gammal mall p=E5 en fileshare som =E4r f=F6r=E5ldrad os= v. > > > En rolig anekdot som personerna fr=E5n Sundsvall ber=E4ttade var att n=E4= r de > skulle b=F6rja migrera till OpenOffice s=E5 hade de f=F6rst=E5ss en f=F6r= studie > och n=E5gon f=F6rs=F6ksavdelning f=F6r att se hur det hela skulle fungera= . N=E4r > de v=E4l gjorde den stora utrullningen s=E5 sa de typ "att fr=E5n och med= 1/1 > n=E4sta =E5r s=E5 =E4r OpenOffice standard p=E5 alla datorer. Ni som vill= eller > beh=F6ver anv=E4nda MS Office kan g=F6ra det men d=E5 tillkommer en > till=E4ggskostnad p=E5 X kr/m=E5nad". > > De som h=F6ll i projektet var r=E4dda att det skulle bli ett fasligt liv = om > att de avinstallerat MS Office och installerat OpenOffice under > julledigheten. Mottagandet blev det omv=E4nda, personalen sa "varf=F6r har > vi kastat bort X kr/m=E5n/dator p=E5 MS Office alla dessa =E5r". > > Tyv=E4rr har jag inget material (typ pdf) ifr=E5n Sundsvalls presentation= en > men det kan vara v=E4rt att googla p=E5 Sundsvalls OpenSource-arbete eller > rent av kontakta Sundsvalls Kommun f=F6r att f=E5 mer info. > > // Mem > > > > Den 2010-08-19 19:15, Daniel Melin skrev: >> N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h=F6r= a om vad >> som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar, = makron, GUI- >> skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det >> k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. >> >> /Daniel M >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 12:46:40 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkd20011332; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:39 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkbFK011227 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:38 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so6640325vws.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gEdgkXAuA67p0SGlf2TnG+MDWzFVp0NEnskmNkkYXD0=; b=asi0XeH/YFx5p5DeTLjT1bGop3S/L1SmUFNw8cLY3JBr4fBnVWTHoaKcq6ypNO9eGC L1zQGwwcsdB6KrOMhpr4YLN7Y8c1eBMJq6UN7SpmlFrIWPpG12sfjdgS98PSpqKPYlFE fQ6skFQYnvFIAq8DaxQWw0TEl6HyqpSJwN/wQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=rEg/464hM5tKkOk8uEK9z/JCMzdD+zg+lxz80A2OmR3d8nA1M2cjv2hUdsoOZ2sklX gSeEXcVMd3q4ceEEZ0N7Ie/xVoXA1HxIghT6f5BsBk988tVMqJfnclH7wnO5B0PmA3tE 7M+ffx6WKNDD2ZEZ/D64Nv5MZQ9XrhP0D39F0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.127.81 with SMTP id f17mr2583814vcs.187.1282560355043; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.65 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:45:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:45:54 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K2dk3BlUoJoHdQRMRHJ8Vn-R_O0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Sima Baymani To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: sima@kth.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Vanliga problem som jag g=E4rna skulle h=F6ra mer om: - Jag skulle g=E4rna se lite tips p=E5 hur man g=F6r lite "fulare" saker i Android, t ex pillar p=E5 frame-buffertar mm. - Sen har iaf jag ibland lite sv=E5rt att kicka ig=E5ng port-forwardingen p=E5 emulatorn, framf=F6rallt d=E5 man ska ta emot saker i en socket+UDP. Kanske n=E5t som fler haft problem med och vill h=F6ra om det finns n=E5n bra l=F6sning? -Sima 2010/8/22 Peter Svensson : > OK, det =E4r inga problem. > Ett exempel p=E5 uppl=E4gg skulle vara; > 1. Hur man f=F6rbereder f=F6r utveckling (installation, plugin till eclip= se, > ladda ner senaste sakerna, USB till telefon, Emulator, et.c.) > 2. Hello world / Hello Net / Hello GL :) > 3. Vanliga problem > mvh, > PS > > 2010/8/22 Michael Boman >> >> Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta >> "hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man pratar >> grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle vara >> trevligt. >> >> Mvh >> Michael Boman >> >> On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. M= en jag >> > beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva platt= formen (OS, >> > Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med utve= ckling p=E5 >> > Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i listan s=E5 j= ag har >> > inte n=E5got context just nu :) >> > >> > Mvh, >> > PS >> > >> > 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg >> > >> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > >> > >> > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technol= ogy User >> > Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av >> > september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p= =E5 >> > 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som= vi kan >> > =F6vertyga? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > =A0/ daniel.haxx.se >> > >> > -- >> > These are the droids you're looking for: >> > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html >> > -- >> > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson >> > -- >> > http://twitter.com/psvensson >> > >> > >> >> -- >> http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > -- > These are the droids you're looking for: > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html > -- > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson > -- > http://twitter.com/psvensson > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 12:46:41 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkYcL011247; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:36 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkVir011219 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:32 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so6640273vws.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gEdgkXAuA67p0SGlf2TnG+MDWzFVp0NEnskmNkkYXD0=; b=IevYEHHTP+jPKjjks8QLUQrFHh3abqtn0TFUcUZ8phHRtz0O72sVjRKSroePwv9dg4 13IjIlH8Ct5AQBIKRct0v4XHt1zuKoL4NnjnVctoFAFcUQcwaEr3lft+DGW2aG0cYUR3 HqVfXqw8A66K+YfevnU8AdzLoon51h+jYYcao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=rEg/464hM5tKkOk8uEK9z/JCMzdD+zg+lxz80A2OmR3d8nA1M2cjv2hUdsoOZ2sklX gSeEXcVMd3q4ceEEZ0N7Ie/xVoXA1HxIghT6f5BsBk988tVMqJfnclH7wnO5B0PmA3tE 7M+ffx6WKNDD2ZEZ/D64Nv5MZQ9XrhP0D39F0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.158.11 with SMTP id d11mr3000790vcx.231.1282560385045; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.65 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:45:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:45:54 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K2dk3BlUoJoHdQRMRHJ8Vn-R_O0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Sima Baymani To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: sima@kth.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Vanliga problem som jag g=E4rna skulle h=F6ra mer om: - Jag skulle g=E4rna se lite tips p=E5 hur man g=F6r lite "fulare" saker i Android, t ex pillar p=E5 frame-buffertar mm. - Sen har iaf jag ibland lite sv=E5rt att kicka ig=E5ng port-forwardingen p=E5 emulatorn, framf=F6rallt d=E5 man ska ta emot saker i en socket+UDP. Kanske n=E5t som fler haft problem med och vill h=F6ra om det finns n=E5n bra l=F6sning? -Sima 2010/8/22 Peter Svensson : > OK, det =E4r inga problem. > Ett exempel p=E5 uppl=E4gg skulle vara; > 1. Hur man f=F6rbereder f=F6r utveckling (installation, plugin till eclip= se, > ladda ner senaste sakerna, USB till telefon, Emulator, et.c.) > 2. Hello world / Hello Net / Hello GL :) > 3. Vanliga problem > mvh, > PS > > 2010/8/22 Michael Boman >> >> Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta >> "hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man pratar >> grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle vara >> trevligt. >> >> Mvh >> Michael Boman >> >> On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. M= en jag >> > beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva platt= formen (OS, >> > Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med utve= ckling p=E5 >> > Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i listan s=E5 j= ag har >> > inte n=E5got context just nu :) >> > >> > Mvh, >> > PS >> > >> > 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg >> > >> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > >> > >> > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technol= ogy User >> > Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av >> > september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p= =E5 >> > 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som= vi kan >> > =F6vertyga? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > =A0/ daniel.haxx.se >> > >> > -- >> > These are the droids you're looking for: >> > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html >> > -- >> > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson >> > -- >> > http://twitter.com/psvensson >> > >> > >> >> -- >> http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > -- > These are the droids you're looking for: > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html > -- > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson > -- > http://twitter.com/psvensson > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 12:46:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkaqg011280; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:37 +0200 Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NAkWro011221 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:33 +0200 Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so729915ywt.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gEdgkXAuA67p0SGlf2TnG+MDWzFVp0NEnskmNkkYXD0=; b=R9lqN8iodb0wZ2NGZclsHqkFlclBvtwkn1kVz6E3lrecJr48rymfIFm1dDykfQtaUe bCilkzzEV20OmD5tWZ/mG1dZ0xkOgq5GlvkneGRYFTFSBg2x3UW262UK84IhcoRtYhCg 8yMtouz15+W0RztmwHpKuWmzPS3pDQ5XGxYAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YCKvbrqMshU1EIHqySQP/myZHQOQyWukjn1V4s5RjofP6ZdKKcCKgT3dPcej0SPM9g g64I88VVq3/m4T+oXQuAUj0ZRBVMXisnQJKgP1m8kq87GtuKeA9V/d+X8e6aDmY1EBrR QMpf2mlrqfgMzw9gkzms4JfGeDEL33mpirAnE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.138.8 with SMTP id q8mr5104497ann.164.1282560385618; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.144.13 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:46:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:25 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VZkwXsJaPOHl-lZi4KYwy9clmmA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Sima Baymani To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: sima@kth.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Vanliga problem som jag g=E4rna skulle h=F6ra mer om: - Jag skulle g=E4rna se lite tips p=E5 hur man g=F6r lite "fulare" saker i Android, t ex pillar p=E5 frame-buffertar mm. - Sen har iaf jag ibland lite sv=E5rt att kicka ig=E5ng port-forwardingen p=E5 emulatorn, framf=F6rallt d=E5 man ska ta emot saker i en socket+UDP. Kanske n=E5t som fler haft problem med och vill h=F6ra om det finns n=E5n bra l=F6sning? -Sima 2010/8/22 Peter Svensson : > OK, det =E4r inga problem. > Ett exempel p=E5 uppl=E4gg skulle vara; > 1. Hur man f=F6rbereder f=F6r utveckling (installation, plugin till eclip= se, > ladda ner senaste sakerna, USB till telefon, Emulator, et.c.) > 2. Hello world / Hello Net / Hello GL :) > 3. Vanliga problem > mvh, > PS > > 2010/8/22 Michael Boman >> >> Jag skulle vilja se Nur man kommer ig=E5ng och utvecklar sitt f=F6rsta >> "hello world" program f=F6r Android, g=E4rna med exempel hur man pratar >> grafik och n=E4tverk. En "vanliga problem" genomg=E5ng skulle vara >> trevligt. >> >> Mvh >> Michael Boman >> >> On Saturday, August 21, 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > Jag kan absolut k=F6ra en Android-presentation p=E5 30 mintuer ungf. M= en jag >> > beh=F6ver veta vilket fokus ni =E4r uta efter; =C4r det sj=E4lva platt= formen (OS, >> > Dalvik VM, et.c.) eller mer fokus p=E5 hur man kommer ig=E5ng med utve= ckling p=E5 >> > Android, eller kanske n=E5got annat. Jag kom precis in i listan s=E5 j= ag har >> > inte n=E5got context just nu :) >> > >> > Mvh, >> > PS >> > >> > 2010/8/20 Daniel Stenberg >> > >> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Peter Svensson wrote: >> > >> > >> > Jag =E4r inte direkt med p=E5 listan men har h=E5llit i Google Technol= ogy User >> > Group i Stockholm, samt arrangerar konferensen Android Only i slutet av >> > september (se l=E4nk nedan), s=E5 Ja, lite Android kan jag faktiskt :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Finemang! Betyder det att du kan/vill k=F6ra en Android-presentation p= =E5 >> > 30-40 minuter eller k=E4nner du n=E5gon som =E4r b=E4ttre l=E4mpad som= vi kan >> > =F6vertyga? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > =A0/ daniel.haxx.se >> > >> > -- >> > These are the droids you're looking for: >> > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html >> > -- >> > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson >> > -- >> > http://twitter.com/psvensson >> > >> > >> >> -- >> http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > -- > These are the droids you're looking for: > http://swdc-central.com/androidonly/index.html > -- > http://se.linkedin.com/in/petersvensson > -- > http://twitter.com/psvensson > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 18:59:12 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NGwoME003549; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:00 +0200 Received: from vsp03.crystone.se (vsp03.crystone.se [83.168.225.22]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with SMTP id o7NAFe9E022800 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:15:40 +0200 Received: from s75.digisrv.net (unknown [195.43.38.157]) by vsp03.crystone.se (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [195.67.88.218] by s75.digisrv.net via HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:15:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:15:05 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_F=C3=B6redrag_om_migrering_fr=C3=A5n_MS_Office?= =?utf-8?Q?_till_Openoffice=3F?= From: "Mikael vonKnorring" To: CC: Message-ID: <442969360c914f15ace9a9e6a74fcbff@s75.digisrv.net> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:15:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:58:49 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: micke@socialist.nu, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sidan hette Programverket, men b=E5de den och allt SKL (Sveriges Kommuner o= ch Landsting) jobbat med kring fri programvara i projektet open Sweden verk= ar dumpat och deletat i efterhand. Det s=E4gs att Mats =D6stling, som drev = projektet, utman=F6vrerades p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt. = http://www.linuxportalen.se/blogs/johnh3/2010/01/27/programverketorg Jag har allts=E5 ingen ordentlig bild av vad som h=E4nde, men skulle hemskt= g=E4rna vilja veta mer. En av de saker jag jobbat med har varit att uppmun= tra kommunala initiativ fr=E5n V=E4nsterpartiet om att g=E5 med d=E4r, och = om de progressiva kommunernas samarbetsorganisation uppl=F6sts blir det nat= urligtvis knepigare. Micke -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- > Fr=E5n: Magnus Sandberg > Skickat: den 23 augusti 2010 11:10 > Till: FOSS-folk i Stockholm > =C4mne: Re: F=F6redrag om migrering fr=E5n MS Office till Openoffice? > = > Hej Daniel! > = > Jag har ingen detaljkunskap i =E4mnet men var p=E5 en intressant konferen= s i > maj f=F6rra =E5ret d=E4r bla Sundsvalls Kommun talade om detta. Konferens= en > hette OKOS - =D6ppen k=E4llkod i offentlig sektor. > = > Vad jag f=F6rstod p=E5 denna konferens s=E5 ligger vissa kommuner s=E5 som > Sundsvall och Karlstad l=E5ngt fram n=E4r det g=E4ller =F6ppen k=E4llkod.= Det > finns en "programportal" a'la Sourceforge d=E4r de aktiva kommunerna > bedriver utveckling och delar med sig av koden. jag minns dock inte vad > portalen heter. > = > Bland annat kan man p=E5 denna portal hitta ett system som Sundsvalls > Kommun skapade som sedan andra byggt vidare p=E5. I detta system, som =E4r > webbaserat, loggar man in och utifr=E5n organisatorisk tillh=F6righet > erbjuds man mallar som fungerar b=E5de i OpenOffice och i MS-Office. Vill > man tex ladda ner en faxmall eller beslutsdokumentsmall f=F6r sin > avdelning f=E5r man alla uppgifter inkl eget namn automatiskt ifr=E5n sin > inloggning. Vill man ha en mall f=F6r en annan avdelning eller bygga en > mall sj=E4lv g=E5r det ocks=E5 bra att g=F6ra p=E5 webbsidan. Eftersom ma= llarna > genereras n=E4r de laddas ner f=E5r man alltid senaste version ist=E4llet= f=F6r > att man hittar en gammal mall p=E5 en fileshare som =E4r f=F6r=E5ldrad os= v. > = > = > En rolig anekdot som personerna fr=E5n Sundsvall ber=E4ttade var att n=E4= r de > skulle b=F6rja migrera till OpenOffice s=E5 hade de f=F6rst=E5ss en f=F6r= studie > och n=E5gon f=F6rs=F6ksavdelning f=F6r att se hur det hela skulle fungera= . N=E4r > de v=E4l gjorde den stora utrullningen s=E5 sa de typ "att fr=E5n och med= 1/1 > n=E4sta =E5r s=E5 =E4r OpenOffice standard p=E5 alla datorer. Ni som vill= eller > beh=F6ver anv=E4nda MS Office kan g=F6ra det men d=E5 tillkommer en > till=E4ggskostnad p=E5 X kr/m=E5nad". > = > De som h=F6ll i projektet var r=E4dda att det skulle bli ett fasligt liv = om > att de avinstallerat MS Office och installerat OpenOffice under > julledigheten. Mottagandet blev det omv=E4nda, personalen sa "varf=F6r har > vi kastat bort X kr/m=E5n/dator p=E5 MS Office alla dessa =E5r". > = > Tyv=E4rr har jag inget material (typ pdf) ifr=E5n Sundsvalls presentation= en > men det kan vara v=E4rt att googla p=E5 Sundsvalls OpenSource-arbete eller > rent av kontakta Sundsvalls Kommun f=F6r att f=E5 mer info. > = > // Mem > = > = > = > Den 2010-08-19 19:15, Daniel Melin skrev: > > N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h=F6= ra om vad = > > som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar,= makron, GUI- > > skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det = > > k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. > > = > > /Daniel M > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > = > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 18:59:19 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NGxEfa003871; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:14 +0200 Received: from spamfilter.resources-eu.com (mail1.resources.nl [213.208.255.148]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NDBZCw015518 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:11:35 +0200 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1282569083-4e6203090000-Xmmrd0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://spamfilter:80/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from eurgpex01.eu.rc-corp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamfilter.resources-eu.com (Spam & Virus Firewall) with ESMTP id 279B23E22CE for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eurgpex01.eu.rc-corp.com (eurgpex01.eu.rc-corp.com [10.64.10.25]) by spamfilter.resources-eu.com with ESMTP id L8aUmjLmHN3D1Jtw for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:11:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: maria.svensson@resourcesglobal.se X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4657 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rekrytering_p=E5g=E5r_-_Redpill_Linpro?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rekrytering_p=E5g=E5r_-_Redpill_Linpro?= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:11:21 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rekrytering_p=E5g=E5r_-_Redpill_Linpro?= Thread-Index: ActCxK5sbr5KGodlSUua4Sg8GeiXOw== From: "Svensson, Maria (Sweden)" To: X-Barracuda-Connect: eurgpex01.eu.rc-corp.com[10.64.10.25] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1282569083 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Spam Firewall at resources-eu.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:11:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:12 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1209065381==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1209065381== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB42C4.AF21D186" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB42C4.AF21D186 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CB42C4.AF21D186" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CB42C4.AF21D186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hej! =20 Jag hittade er mailinglista genom LinkedIn och t=E4nkte f=F6rs=F6ka sprida = mitt budskap h=E4r. Jobbar som HR-konsult och samarbetar just nu med f=F6retaget Redpill Linpro= i deras rekryteringsarbete. =20 Ifall n=E5gon av er som l=E4ser detta =E4r p=E5 jakt efter ett nytt jobb el= ler k=E4nner n=E5gon som g=E5r i de tankarna, s=E5 tycker jag att ni ska f=F6lja l=E4nken nedan och l=E4sa mer om vilka t= j=E4nster som erbjuds. http://www.redpill-linpro.se/Jobba-hos-oss=20 =20 Eller s=E5 kan ni kontakta mig direkt f=F6r att prata eventuella jobbm=F6jl= igheter. =20 Tack f=F6r er tid! Mvh Maria Svensson =20 =20 =20 MARIA SVENSSON | RESOURCES GLOBAL PROFESSIONALS HUMAN CAPITAL SVEAV=C4GEN 13, 7 TR, SE-111 57 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN | +46 8 454 13 90 OFFICE | +46 73 070 26 90 MOBILE | www.resourcesglobal.se =20 =20 =20 Resources Global Professionals (Sweden) AB | Sveav=E4gen 13, 7tr, SE-11157 = Stockholm, Sweden | Company No. 556583-9023. ------_=_NextPart_002_01CB42C4.AF21D186 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hej!

 

Jag hittade er mailinglista genom LinkedIn och t=E4nkte f=F6rs=F6ka sprida mitt budskap h=E4r.

Jobbar som HR-konsult och samarbetar just nu med f=F6r= etaget Redpill Linpro i deras rekryteringsarbete.

 

Ifall n=E5gon av er som l=E4ser detta =E4r p=E5 jakt e= fter ett nytt jobb eller k=E4nner n=E5gon som g=E5r i de tankarna,

s=E5 tycker jag att ni ska f=F6lja l=E4nken nedan och = l=E4sa mer om vilka tj=E4nster som erbjuds.

http://www.redpill-linpro.se/Jobba-hos-oss

 

Eller s=E5 kan ni kontakta mig direkt f=F6r att prata = eventuella jobbm=F6jligheter.

 

Tack f=F6r er tid!

Mvh Maria Svensson

 

 

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www.resourcesglobal.se

 

 

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HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:01:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> <4C723A19.7060400@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:01:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_F=C3=B6redrag_om_migrering_fr=C3=A5n_MS_Office_till_Open?= =?UTF-8?Q?office=3F?= From: Josef To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:59:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:01:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:58:49 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se L=E5ter h=F6gintressant! Finns det n=E5gon som har erfarenhet av att g=E5 fr=E5n windows till Fedora/Ubuntu eller liknande p=E5 en st=F6rre arbetsplats skulle det ocks= =E5 kunna vara ett =E4mne. /Josef Den 23 augusti 2010 12:35 skrev Sima Baymani : > Inte f=F6r att jag pysslar med just detta, men h=E5ller med om att det > skulle vara ett intressant =E4mne. M=E5nga fallgropar och annat man kanske > inte t=E4nkt p=E5, ocks=E5 intressant att h=F6ra f=F6rstahandserfarenhet = etc. > Projektet med Sundsvall och de andra kommunerna l=E5ter onekligen > intressant! > > CC:ar Henrik och Johan Ekblad som (om jag minns r=E4tt) gjorde n=E5t > liknande uppdrag f=F6r n=E5gra =E5r sen? > > -Sima > > 2010/8/23 Magnus Sandberg : >> Hej Daniel! >> >> Jag har ingen detaljkunskap i =E4mnet men var p=E5 en intressant konfere= ns i >> maj f=F6rra =E5ret d=E4r bla Sundsvalls Kommun talade om detta. Konferen= sen >> hette OKOS - =D6ppen k=E4llkod i offentlig sektor. >> >> Vad jag f=F6rstod p=E5 denna konferens s=E5 ligger vissa kommuner s=E5 s= om >> Sundsvall och Karlstad l=E5ngt fram n=E4r det g=E4ller =F6ppen k=E4llkod= . Det >> finns en "programportal" a'la Sourceforge d=E4r de aktiva kommunerna >> bedriver utveckling och delar med sig av koden. jag minns dock inte vad >> portalen heter. >> >> Bland annat kan man p=E5 denna portal hitta ett system som Sundsvalls >> Kommun skapade som sedan andra byggt vidare p=E5. I detta system, som = =E4r >> webbaserat, loggar man in och utifr=E5n organisatorisk tillh=F6righet >> erbjuds man mallar som fungerar b=E5de i OpenOffice och i MS-Office. Vill >> man tex ladda ner en faxmall eller beslutsdokumentsmall f=F6r sin >> avdelning f=E5r man alla uppgifter inkl eget namn automatiskt ifr=E5n sin >> inloggning. Vill man ha en mall f=F6r en annan avdelning eller bygga en >> mall sj=E4lv g=E5r det ocks=E5 bra att g=F6ra p=E5 webbsidan. Eftersom m= allarna >> genereras n=E4r de laddas ner f=E5r man alltid senaste version ist=E4lle= t f=F6r >> att man hittar en gammal mall p=E5 en fileshare som =E4r f=F6r=E5ldrad o= sv. >> >> >> En rolig anekdot som personerna fr=E5n Sundsvall ber=E4ttade var att n= =E4r de >> skulle b=F6rja migrera till OpenOffice s=E5 hade de f=F6rst=E5ss en f=F6= rstudie >> och n=E5gon f=F6rs=F6ksavdelning f=F6r att se hur det hela skulle funger= a. N=E4r >> de v=E4l gjorde den stora utrullningen s=E5 sa de typ "att fr=E5n och me= d 1/1 >> n=E4sta =E5r s=E5 =E4r OpenOffice standard p=E5 alla datorer. Ni som vil= l eller >> beh=F6ver anv=E4nda MS Office kan g=F6ra det men d=E5 tillkommer en >> till=E4ggskostnad p=E5 X kr/m=E5nad". >> >> De som h=F6ll i projektet var r=E4dda att det skulle bli ett fasligt liv= om >> att de avinstallerat MS Office och installerat OpenOffice under >> julledigheten. Mottagandet blev det omv=E4nda, personalen sa "varf=F6r h= ar >> vi kastat bort X kr/m=E5n/dator p=E5 MS Office alla dessa =E5r". >> >> Tyv=E4rr har jag inget material (typ pdf) ifr=E5n Sundsvalls presentatio= nen >> men det kan vara v=E4rt att googla p=E5 Sundsvalls OpenSource-arbete ell= er >> rent av kontakta Sundsvalls Kommun f=F6r att f=E5 mer info. >> >> // Mem >> >> >> >> Den 2010-08-19 19:15, Daniel Melin skrev: >>> N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h=F6= ra om vad >>> som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar,= makron, GUI- >>> skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det >>> k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. >>> >>> /Daniel M >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 19:46:53 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NHkiNh006378; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:47 +0200 Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NHkhCA006372 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:43 +0200 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2284544bwz.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wqTNal1fovIqiWMlhAtRY6+mjCDZlLNM6SZthPVEOt0=; b=Os61xOjrXnMLqyycBMU6CrkEiw4yRsuYhgkv/j8MGt0C8esjtW2DmVQkyK/DDnIvix 6jH/rRqxb6Scc8x2vRxc5lnA2FbYF7Hh1BNFWfN91REHbuZ0A2Pijjg7UIeklbYAxFDB QxSRwcKmhw0I825pbP40S59EXUD07hk1Q0by4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DBjdV3gacIJ7KcWHQjCke3LNv89p+Y26MXn3qSXe8peOXyESAl92s29sGB0Rj7QeAN 14xnKWDwbua4MvAwf5K2aSLw3F/eKllb0yuLU0OIemK7SYnHoOMnt52NXa4H5/S9Rux4 yNeomJw2g/pqT+naAiEjr11XaDxCbL0RfhbeA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.169.136 with SMTP id n8mr2820970wel.65.1282585600047; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:46:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Rekrytering_p=E5g=E5r_=2D_Redpill_Linpro?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:46:43 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej! 2010/8/23 Svensson, Maria (Sweden) > Jag hittade er mailinglista genom LinkedIn och t=E4nkte f=F6rs=F6ka sprid= a mitt budskap h=E4r. > > Jobbar som HR-konsult och samarbetar just nu med f=F6retaget Redpill Linp= ro i deras rekryteringsarbete. Kul att du hittade v=E5r lista! Om du vill sponsra oss eller rekrytera vet du v=E4l att det finns j=E4ttebr= a s=E4tt? Sponsra mackor och dryck till n=E5gon av v=E5ra tr=E4ffar eller liknande. V= i brukar =E4ven ha ett bord d=E4r rekryterare och f=F6retag kan l=E4gga information = till deltagarna. Listan =E4r prim=E4rt till f=F6r folk som =E4r intresserade av fri programv= ara och som vill se aktiviteter kring det. Det =E4r allts=E5 inte en lista f=F6r re= krytering. Det har skett lite rekrytering tidigare p=E5 listan, men d=E5 av m=E4nnisko= r som har bidragit med f=F6redrag eller sponsring till tr=E4ffarna vi har haft. F=F6r tillf=E4llet =E4r det inte s=E5 mycket trafik p=E5 listan relaterat t= ill rekrytering, personligen h=E5ller jag det g=E4rna p=E5 den niv=E5n. V=E4nligen, Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 21:21:23 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NJL70k001478; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:13 +0200 Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NJL5H2001431 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:06 +0200 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2406911bwz.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:21:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=2QrVhfdfOwgKiHrQVjGQ3Q5a3KSWxWiIvSYLXc/rCXQ=; b=hgEvGQcjVcFKM4jSpSDP6ICAFtfJDNrBoMsxm7kOr86BXKGVoko+ljR77F1vvByGE8 yB65Sph4SRfm4sB5MM0oc0mNKvFa5axMxd1G3AVL1jhVvSCnD209d+rSFPLxJXUqUZN3 x3DC8fT51EkXhgGFFni59lqljwgxdZJuZYl4A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=xW9S486BayGTRglAqylxMAPaTv+rJuwFx1ZQM6JwQBEaWD6QU4wzGFgEvLXSpPJMrB fCBpdLe1ar2xbRN+hnb11/Oucaz4Y2lAnHw18hzOrZJT9gX2kLB5PJIsiGedymy8HgQJ fqJ4qaIY0lnG8rnTQDXCkHxL7Vphy0nB3tKOk= Received: by 10.204.80.162 with SMTP id t34mr3998372bkk.81.1282591261276; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmnlinux.localnet (h106n3-sto-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com [213.64.95.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y19sm5000236bkw.18.2010.08.23.12.20.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:21:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Melin To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?F=F6redrag_om_migrering_fr=E5n_MS_Office_till?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Openoffice=3F?= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-24-generic; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <442969360c914f15ace9a9e6a74fcbff@s75.digisrv.net> In-Reply-To: <442969360c914f15ace9a9e6a74fcbff@s75.digisrv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201008232121.14143.daniel@benissimo.se> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:06 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Monday 23 August 2010 12.15.05 Mikael vonKnorring wrote: > Sidan hette Programverket, men b=E5de den och allt SKL (Sveriges Kommuner= och > Landsting) jobbat med kring fri programvara i projektet open Sweden verkar > dumpat och deletat i efterhand. Det s=E4gs att Mats =D6stling, som drev > projektet, utman=F6vrerades p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt. > = B=E5de Mats (som var p=E5 SKL, numera Stockholm stad) och Torsten (som var = p=E5 SLL, = numera egenkonsult tror jag) =E4r borta och d=E4rmed f=F6rsvann mycket av = drivkraften bakom Programverket. Sen har ju EU:s OSOR tagit mycket av den = rollen, s=E5 skadan =E4r kanske inte s=E5 stor. Huruvida Mats man=F6vrerade= s ut vet = jag inte, men jag tror inte att han saknar SKL. En IT-chef p=E5 en kommun = beskrev SKL som en "anorektisk organisation" och d=E5 finns det kanske inte= plats = f=F6r s=E5n lyx som FOSS-engagemang? > Jag har allts=E5 ingen ordentlig bild av vad som h=E4nde, men skulle hems= kt > g=E4rna vilja veta mer. En av de saker jag jobbat med har varit att > uppmuntra kommunala initiativ fr=E5n V=E4nsterpartiet om att g=E5 med d= =E4r, och > om de progressiva kommunernas samarbetsorganisation uppl=F6sts blir det > naturligtvis knepigare. Det stora draget idag sker (enligt mig) hos Kivos (www.kivos.se). /Daniel _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 22:56:55 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NKuclC031314; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:56:45 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NKubQe031310 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:56:37 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:56:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Rekryteringsmail_p=E5_listan?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-230710180-1282596997=:7604" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:56:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:56:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-230710180-1282596997=:7604 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hejsan Jag släppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser att vi inte har något problem med såna och att mailtrafiken ju är låg i allmänhet just nu. Jag ser gärna att vi har högt i tak för vad vi kan dryfta här. Om ni har andra eller liknande åsikter om såna mail så lufta gärna era åsikter. Självklart kan situationen förändras och då kommer jag kanske ändra inställning i frågan. -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-230710180-1282596997=:7604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-230710180-1282596997=:7604-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 23:06:52 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NL6jQ1009379; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:47 +0200 Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NL6hw2009361 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:43 +0200 Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so4235533fxm.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.70.200 with SMTP id p50mr5072304wed.54.1282597593546; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.11] (c-9ea7e355.06-12-73746f15.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.227.167.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm3991106wej.47.2010.08.23.14.06.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Rekryteringsmail_p=E5_listan?= From: Claes Jakobsson In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:30 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:44 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tjo, On 23 aug 2010, at 22.56, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > Hejsan > = > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser att = vi inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g i= allm=E4nhet just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad vi = kan dryfta h=E4r. Om ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s= =E5 lufta g=E4rna era =E5sikter. > = > Sj=E4lvklart kan situationen f=F6r=E4ndras och d=E5 kommer jag kanske =E4= ndra inst=E4llning i fr=E5gan. Jag ser inte heller n=E5gra st=F6rre problem med rekryteringsmail s=E5 l=E4= nge de faktiskt g=E4ller tj=E4nster med FOSS anknytning. T.ex. redpill-linp= ro som faktiskt s=F6ker FOSS konsulter tycker jag =E4r ok men om det vore i= stil med stor-rekryteringsfirma-s=F6ker-vb-utvecklare-f=F6r-propriet=E4rt-= system s=E5 =E4r det mer tveksamt. Och som Per skriver om f=F6retaget =E4r = intresserad av att sponsra oss s=E5 =E4r det ju bara extra socker p=E5 gr= =E4dden =3D) Hur som helst, blir det f=F6r mycket s=E5 kan vi ju s=E4tta upp t.ex. foss-= sthlm-jobb d=E4r de som =E4r intresserade av s=E5dana mail kan f=E5 dom. /Claes _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 23 23:35:26 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NLZIah027635; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:20 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NLZGhj027621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:16 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36E840020 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id E70F940026; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C0C40020 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_F=F6redrag_om_migrering_fr=E5n_MS_Office_till_Openoffice=3F?= In-Reply-To: <201008232121.14143.daniel@benissimo.se> Message-ID: References: <442969360c914f15ace9a9e6a74fcbff@s75.digisrv.net> <201008232121.14143.daniel@benissimo.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-326978562-1424489650-1282598225=:10622" Content-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:35:16 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---326978562-1424489650-1282598225=:10622 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, at 21:21, Daniel Melin wrote: > Både Mats (som var på SKL, numera Stockholm stad) och Torsten (som var på SLL, > numera egenkonsult tror jag) är borta och därmed försvann mycket av > drivkraften bakom Programverket. Sen har ju EU:s OSOR tagit mycket av den > rollen, så skadan är kanske inte så stor. Huruvida Mats manövrerades ut vet > jag inte, men jag tror inte att han saknar SKL. En IT-chef på en kommun > beskrev SKL som en "anorektisk organisation" och då finns det kanske inte plats > för sån lyx som FOSS-engagemang? > >> Jag har alltså ingen ordentlig bild av vad som hände, men skulle hemskt >> gärna vilja veta mer. En av de saker jag jobbat med har varit att >> uppmuntra kommunala initiativ från Vänsterpartiet om att gå med där, och >> om de progressiva kommunernas samarbetsorganisation upplösts blir det >> naturligtvis knepigare. > > Det stora draget idag sker (enligt mig) hos Kivos (www.kivos.se). Hej, det här är min första post på mailinglistan. Kivos verkar lovande! Jag har delvis följt det här med FOSS i offentlig sektor eftersom jag (till skillnad från t.ex. Valentino Berti) hoppas det ska växa sig starkt, snabbt =) Jag har läst om Open Kvarken och UCOSS i Norrland, som verkar intressant. De verkar ha en del aktiviteter enligt sina websiter, men mer vet jag inte om dem. Någon här som har något spännande att berätta om dem? Info och länkar här: http://www.dfs.se/openkvarken /Joakim ________________________________________________________________________________ FRA, IPRED, ACTA, Telekompaketet, Datalagringsdirektivet, Indect, Net Neutrality "1984 - now only 26 years behind schedule" "Piratpartiet - on track since 2006" ---326978562-1424489650-1282598225=:10622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm ---326978562-1424489650-1282598225=:10622-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 00:16:34 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NMGJ2m016101; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:25 +0200 Received: from snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.84]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7NMGGCr016039 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:17 +0200 Received: from SNT135-W27 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:16:02 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.100.110.172] From: Martin Jernberg To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Rekryt?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?eringsmail?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_p=E5_listan?= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:02 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2010 22:16:02.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5969930:01CB4310] X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:16:17 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0656030182==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0656030182== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5c00c551-a45b-48fa-a789-1a632b53ee96_" --_5c00c551-a45b-48fa-a789-1a632b53ee96_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ser inte heller n=E5gra problem med det=2C om dom har foss anknytning bara = det inte blir f=F6r mycket som sagt > Subject: Re: Rekryteringsmail p=E5 listan > From: claes@gluefinance.com > Date: Mon=2C 23 Aug 2010 23:06:30 +0200 > To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se >=20 > Tjo=2C >=20 > On 23 aug 2010=2C at 22.56=2C Daniel Stenberg wrote: > > Hejsan > >=20 > > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser at= t vi inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g= i allm=E4nhet just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad v= i kan dryfta h=E4r. Om ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail= s=E5 lufta g=E4rna era =E5sikter. > >=20 > > Sj=E4lvklart kan situationen f=F6r=E4ndras och d=E5 kommer jag kanske = =E4ndra inst=E4llning i fr=E5gan. >=20 > Jag ser inte heller n=E5gra st=F6rre problem med rekryteringsmail s=E5 l= =E4nge de faktiskt g=E4ller tj=E4nster med FOSS anknytning. T.ex. redpill-l= inpro som faktiskt s=F6ker FOSS konsulter tycker jag =E4r ok men om det vor= e i stil med stor-rekryteringsfirma-s=F6ker-vb-utvecklare-f=F6r-propriet=E4= rt-system s=E5 =E4r det mer tveksamt. Och som Per skriver om f=F6retaget = =E4r intresserad av att sponsra oss s=E5 =E4r det ju bara extra socker p=E5= gr=E4dden =3D) >=20 > Hur som helst=2C blir det f=F6r mycket s=E5 kan vi ju s=E4tta upp t.ex. f= oss-sthlm-jobb d=E4r de som =E4r intresserade av s=E5dana mail kan f=E5 dom= . >=20 > /Claes >=20 > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm = --_5c00c551-a45b-48fa-a789-1a632b53ee96_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ser inte heller n=E5gra problem med det=2C om dom har foss anknytning bara = det inte blir f=F6r mycket som sagt


>=3B Subject: Re: Rekryter= ingsmail p=E5 listan
>=3B From: claes@gluefinance.com
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>=3B To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
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>=3B On 23 aug 2010=2C at 22.56=2C= Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>=3B >=3B Hejsan
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>=3B= >=3B Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anse= r att vi inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l= =E5g i allm=E4nhet just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r v= ad vi kan dryfta h=E4r. Om ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na = mail s=E5 lufta g=E4rna era =E5sikter.
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>=3B >=3B S= j=E4lvklart kan situationen f=F6r=E4ndras och d=E5 kommer jag kanske =E4ndr= a inst=E4llning i fr=E5gan.
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>=3B Jag ser inte heller n=E5gr= a st=F6rre problem med rekryteringsmail s=E5 l=E4nge de faktiskt g=E4ller t= j=E4nster med FOSS anknytning. T.ex. redpill-linpro som faktiskt s=F6ker FO= SS konsulter tycker jag =E4r ok men om det vore i stil med stor-rekrytering= sfirma-s=F6ker-vb-utvecklare-f=F6r-propriet=E4rt-system s=E5 =E4r det mer t= veksamt. Och som Per skriver om f=F6retaget =E4r intresserad av att sponsra= oss s=E5 =E4r det ju bara extra socker p=E5 gr=E4dden =3D)
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&= gt=3B Hur som helst=2C blir det f=F6r mycket s=E5 kan vi ju s=E4tta upp t.e= x. foss-sthlm-jobb d=E4r de som =E4r intresserade av s=E5dana mail kan f=E5= dom.
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= --_5c00c551-a45b-48fa-a789-1a632b53ee96_-- --===============0656030182== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0656030182==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 08:14:27 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O6E8Bb031895; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:16 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O6E6RJ031802 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:07 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so208895vws.41 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:14:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+j9eURMhTjGvqTHfbT67/Ssq3mrIJFmdXCinGBLEn+Y=; b=ViZna/y67Gy1TS20PgSzaJZNi57KxwXCr4wHz59tmd4lX51IJTMw3T23PypYxrAVWU higm261DFEU14oOXwHpIBRX3OBE//LMVhb2qS1XHC8Pqjg9xYfVVrNaKhl5xTB1PYYbK t9Q9oq/O3oun0i91+bB6dQIfv0kaUcX3YM2EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IviqUoDXC0fPVAMDCKNiOuViUnK/yJcbg25ehXW0SwZ9HFq8fU/p6ZVKAxTpiD4P9g VEP5SMeiPdl9Teww52jCMVaNACx7BR0BVXEN8bFdPt+tiZ8p/KGaoRf2XOYOQVjavxAR JfyzD1yiXPRNRfRBwMSApVdzFvZR8FYSHNVRs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.59.202 with SMTP id m10mr3868746vch.188.1282630441282; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.19.137 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:14:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Rekryteringsmail_p=E5_listan?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_L=F6nroth?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:07 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Inte mig emot heller s=E5 l=E4nge det inte utvecklas till en renodlad rekla= mkanal. /Erik 2010/8/24 Martin Jernberg : > ser inte heller n=E5gra problem med det, om dom har foss anknytning bara = det > inte blir f=F6r mycket som sagt > > >> Subject: Re: Rekryteringsmail p=E5 listan >> From: claes@gluefinance.com >> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:06:30 +0200 >> To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se >> >> Tjo, >> >> On 23 aug 2010, at 22.56, Daniel Stenberg wrote: >> > Hejsan >> > >> > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser a= tt >> > vi inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l= =E5g i >> > allm=E4nhet just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad= vi kan dryfta >> > h=E4r. Om ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s=E5 lu= fta g=E4rna era >> > =E5sikter. >> > >> > Sj=E4lvklart kan situationen f=F6r=E4ndras och d=E5 kommer jag kanske = =E4ndra >> > inst=E4llning i fr=E5gan. >> >> Jag ser inte heller n=E5gra st=F6rre problem med rekryteringsmail s=E5 l= =E4nge de >> faktiskt g=E4ller tj=E4nster med FOSS anknytning. T.ex. redpill-linpro s= om >> faktiskt s=F6ker FOSS konsulter tycker jag =E4r ok men om det vore i sti= l med >> stor-rekryteringsfirma-s=F6ker-vb-utvecklare-f=F6r-propriet=E4rt-system = s=E5 =E4r det >> mer tveksamt. Och som Per skriver om f=F6retaget =E4r intresserad av att= sponsra >> oss s=E5 =E4r det ju bara extra socker p=E5 gr=E4dden =3D) >> >> Hur som helst, blir det f=F6r mycket s=E5 kan vi ju s=E4tta upp t.ex. >> foss-sthlm-jobb d=E4r de som =E4r intresserade av s=E5dana mail kan f=E5= dom. >> >> /Claes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 08:49:38 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O6nUg7024906; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:32 +0200 Received: from brev.stacken.kth.se (brev.stacken.kth.se [130.237.234.84]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O6nS6Z024892 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 Received: from gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se (gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se [130.237.234.160]) by brev.stacken.kth.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id o7O6nSLj016308 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se (8.13.8+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id o7O6nSCZ002397 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from jj@localhost) by gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id o7O6nShq002396 for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 From: Janne Johansson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Rekryteringsmail =?iso-8859-1?Q?p?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E5?= listan Message-ID: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:49:28 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 22:56+0200, Daniel Stenberg (daniel@haxx.se) wrote: > Hejsan > = > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser att = vi = > inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g i = allm=E4nhet = > just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad vi kan dryfta = h=E4r. Om = > ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s=E5 lufta g=E4rna e= ra =E5sikter. Jag kan tycka att en rimlig niv=E5 =E4r att folk inte ska droppa in p=E5 listan och f=F6rst (eller enbart) posta rekryteringsmail. =C4r man p=E5 n= =E5t s=E4tt delaktig (antingen genom att vara med i diskussionen eller sponsra tr=E4ffar osv som tidigare sagts =E4r det helt ok, men att ha folk som enbart postar annonser tycker inte jag =E4r lika roligt. -- = "Backwards compatible" means: "if it isn't backwards, it's not compatible." _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 09:00:49 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O70gaO030708; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:44 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7O70fPH030674 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:41 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E20B318D413 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C736E1E.7030102@netnod.se> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:46 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=F6redrag_om_migrering_fr=E5n_Window?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_till_Linux?= References: <201008191915.09187.daniel@benissimo.se> <4C723A19.7060400@netnod.se> In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:00:41 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej! Jag kan g=F6ra en referens till OKOS 2009 =E4ven h=E4r. Flextronics i Link=F6ping h=F6ll p=E5 med ett s=E5dant projekt. Det b=F6rjade s=E5 klart = p=E5 utvecklingsavdelningen men om jag minns r=E4tt var de p=E5 v=E4g att inf=F6= ra Ubuntu =E4ven hos kontoristerna. // Mem Den 2010-08-23 18:01, Josef skrev: > L=E5ter h=F6gintressant! > Finns det n=E5gon som har erfarenhet av att g=E5 fr=E5n windows till > Fedora/Ubuntu eller liknande p=E5 en st=F6rre arbetsplats skulle det ocks= =E5 > kunna vara ett =E4mne. > = > /Josef > = > Den 23 augusti 2010 12:35 skrev Sima Baymani : >> Inte f=F6r att jag pysslar med just detta, men h=E5ller med om att det >> skulle vara ett intressant =E4mne. M=E5nga fallgropar och annat man kans= ke >> inte t=E4nkt p=E5, ocks=E5 intressant att h=F6ra f=F6rstahandserfarenhet= etc. >> Projektet med Sundsvall och de andra kommunerna l=E5ter onekligen >> intressant! >> >> CC:ar Henrik och Johan Ekblad som (om jag minns r=E4tt) gjorde n=E5t >> liknande uppdrag f=F6r n=E5gra =E5r sen? >> >> -Sima >> >> 2010/8/23 Magnus Sandberg : >>> Hej Daniel! >>> >>> Jag har ingen detaljkunskap i =E4mnet men var p=E5 en intressant konfer= ens i >>> maj f=F6rra =E5ret d=E4r bla Sundsvalls Kommun talade om detta. Konfere= nsen >>> hette OKOS - =D6ppen k=E4llkod i offentlig sektor. >>> >>> Vad jag f=F6rstod p=E5 denna konferens s=E5 ligger vissa kommuner s=E5 = som >>> Sundsvall och Karlstad l=E5ngt fram n=E4r det g=E4ller =F6ppen k=E4llko= d. Det >>> finns en "programportal" a'la Sourceforge d=E4r de aktiva kommunerna >>> bedriver utveckling och delar med sig av koden. jag minns dock inte vad >>> portalen heter. >>> >>> Bland annat kan man p=E5 denna portal hitta ett system som Sundsvalls >>> Kommun skapade som sedan andra byggt vidare p=E5. I detta system, som = =E4r >>> webbaserat, loggar man in och utifr=E5n organisatorisk tillh=F6righet >>> erbjuds man mallar som fungerar b=E5de i OpenOffice och i MS-Office. Vi= ll >>> man tex ladda ner en faxmall eller beslutsdokumentsmall f=F6r sin >>> avdelning f=E5r man alla uppgifter inkl eget namn automatiskt ifr=E5n s= in >>> inloggning. Vill man ha en mall f=F6r en annan avdelning eller bygga en >>> mall sj=E4lv g=E5r det ocks=E5 bra att g=F6ra p=E5 webbsidan. Eftersom = mallarna >>> genereras n=E4r de laddas ner f=E5r man alltid senaste version ist=E4ll= et f=F6r >>> att man hittar en gammal mall p=E5 en fileshare som =E4r f=F6r=E5ldrad = osv. >>> >>> >>> En rolig anekdot som personerna fr=E5n Sundsvall ber=E4ttade var att n= =E4r de >>> skulle b=F6rja migrera till OpenOffice s=E5 hade de f=F6rst=E5ss en f= =F6rstudie >>> och n=E5gon f=F6rs=F6ksavdelning f=F6r att se hur det hela skulle funge= ra. N=E4r >>> de v=E4l gjorde den stora utrullningen s=E5 sa de typ "att fr=E5n och m= ed 1/1 >>> n=E4sta =E5r s=E5 =E4r OpenOffice standard p=E5 alla datorer. Ni som vi= ll eller >>> beh=F6ver anv=E4nda MS Office kan g=F6ra det men d=E5 tillkommer en >>> till=E4ggskostnad p=E5 X kr/m=E5nad". >>> >>> De som h=F6ll i projektet var r=E4dda att det skulle bli ett fasligt li= v om >>> att de avinstallerat MS Office och installerat OpenOffice under >>> julledigheten. Mottagandet blev det omv=E4nda, personalen sa "varf=F6r = har >>> vi kastat bort X kr/m=E5n/dator p=E5 MS Office alla dessa =E5r". >>> >>> Tyv=E4rr har jag inget material (typ pdf) ifr=E5n Sundsvalls presentati= onen >>> men det kan vara v=E4rt att googla p=E5 Sundsvalls OpenSource-arbete el= ler >>> rent av kontakta Sundsvalls Kommun f=F6r att f=E5 mer info. >>> >>> // Mem >>> >>> >>> >>> Den 2010-08-19 19:15, Daniel Melin skrev: >>>> N=E5gon som gjort detta? Jag skulle vara mycket intresserad av att h= =F6ra om vad >>>> som =E4r l=E4tt och vad som =E4r sv=E5rt n=E4r man g=F6r bytet. Mallar= , makron, GUI- >>>> skillnader, funktionella skillnader och =E4ven =F6verbryggning av det >>>> k=E4nslom=E4ssiga hos anv=E4ndarna intresserar mig. >>>> >>>> /Daniel M _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 18:10:40 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGAMiY002270; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:31 +0200 Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGALpt002253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:21 +0200 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4736EE947A for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:14 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.224.147.37] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgETAAKLc0xV4JMlPGdsb2JhbAAHgxCdNAEBAQE1iFGgZZIMgSKDInME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,263,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="122849095" Received: from c-2593e055.1466-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.10.154]) ([85.224.147.37]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 24 Aug 2010 18:10:14 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Linuxtr=E4ff?= 2010 - Software Freedom Day From: Roger Sinel To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:13 +0200 Message-ID: <1282666213.9221.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 (2.28.3-1.fc12) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:10:21 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsinel@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej, Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen inbjuder alla till Linuxtr=E4ff 2010 den sker l=F6rdagen den 18 september 2010 den dagen d=E5 resten av v=E4rlden firar Software Freedom Day. Kom och tr=E4ffa andra linuxkunniga utvecklare, = anv=E4ndare och styrelsen i Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen. = Plats: Bwin Games AB - Klarabergsviadukten 82 v=E5ning 11 - Centrala Stockholm n=E4ra centralstationen i BWIN Games lokaler Tid: 9.00 till 1700 Huvudsponsor BWIN Games AB. L=E4s mer om alla presentationer h=E4r http://se.linux.org/grupper/info/linuxtraff-2010/linuxtraff-2010 Anm=E4lan ske p=E5 f=F6ljande tre s=E4tt, 1- e-post till info@se.linux.org 2- Linkedin Event http://events.linkedin.com/Linuxtraff-2010-Software-Freedom-Day/pub/398874 3- Facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3D5840127499&v=3Dapp_2344061033#!/eve= nt.php?eid=3D132218050156364&index=3D1 V=E4l m=F6t Mvh Roger Sinel Vice Ordf=F6rande - Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen http://se.linux.org _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 18:28:30 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGSOHS015676; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:25 +0200 Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGSMT0015638 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:23 +0200 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so779307vws.41 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NCvqo13UjmAirJPlpKiImK82qUrjGXTjrgquy+yqqzE=; b=peRQvIFu28YScBkW0VLSJ5xF8QjPPQDvLv2MuGgqY5lz2vIma5FLVefN8Yh0bLZ9UL 8MSs16T7lg+teq7a8UJF19wLCKuAj7+gHQueiO0Jzgy3u42OF61ikknfnhhh+zxs17Mn HheOqZyDtqvASZopPgN2qtAO+oF19BvashPR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gqYn3cdtgMLIo5c5MBEvNziI3+ASHFtHZloWd5fPFT3vQoM8GCzN9taWPjihzlmCXm UsHPqVxzBBqlf+l5biNJAOlxVrgvzBFr8hVpDcE6d3anwCJaShOBO43+VTWRiM8Ganjd DlZdygUqWPILFnWZ310AfBizn+DFG4WOaWXKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.74.82 with SMTP id t18mr4518707vcj.26.1282667294846; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.19.137 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:28:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> References: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Rekryteringsmail_p=E5_listan?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_L=F6nroth?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:23 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mmm, p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt s=E5 blir man =E4nd=E5 tillr=E4ckligt bombad med r= eklam. Jag personligen tycker att ett riktm=E4rke =E4r att det ska vara relevant f=F6r forumet i sig. Annars blir det bara r=E4tt in i spamfiltret och listan i sig f=F6rlorar d=E4rmed relevans. F=F6r att g=F6ra det hela lite roligt kan vi ju s=E4ga att om ett "reklam-mail" inneh=E5ller texten: "och f=F6retaget [som skickar] sponsrar sj=E4lvklart det fantastiska, =F6versnygga FOSS-sthlm med " Man kan =E4ven t=E4nka sig andra sp=E4nnande varianter. /Erik 2010/8/24 Janne Johansson : > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 22:56+0200, Daniel Stenberg (daniel@haxx.se) wrot= e: >> Hejsan >> >> Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser att= vi >> inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g i= allm=E4nhet >> just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad vi kan dryfta= h=E4r. Om >> ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s=E5 lufta g=E4rna = era =E5sikter. > > Jag kan tycka att en rimlig niv=E5 =E4r att folk inte ska droppa in p=E5 > listan och f=F6rst (eller enbart) posta rekryteringsmail. =C4r man p=E5 n= =E5t > s=E4tt delaktig (antingen genom att vara med i diskussionen eller > sponsra tr=E4ffar osv som tidigare sagts =E4r det helt ok, men att ha folk > som enbart postar annonser tycker inte jag =E4r lika roligt. > > -- > "Backwards compatible" means: "if it isn't backwards, it's not compatible= ." > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 24 18:45:09 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGixut026345; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:45:01 +0200 Received: from snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.77]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7OGivQj026164 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:44:58 +0200 Received: from SNT135-W24 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s2.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.100.110.172] From: Martin Jernberg To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Linuxt?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=E4ff_2010_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?-_Software?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Freedom_D?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ay?= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:44:49 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1282666213.9221.17.camel@localhost> References: <1282666213.9221.17.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2010 16:44:49.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC30FD0:01CB43AB] X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:45:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:44:58 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1823044784==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============1823044784== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a8549e02-83df-45c5-b515-d37a1d22349d_" --_a8549e02-83df-45c5-b515-d37a1d22349d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable s=E4ger exakt samma som p=E5 den andra mailinglistan du skrev p=E5=2C jag k= ommer :> > Subject: Linuxtr=E4ff 2010 - Software Freedom Day > From: rsinel@bredband.net > To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se > Date: Tue=2C 24 Aug 2010 18:10:13 +0200 >=20 > Hej=2C >=20 > Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen inbjuder alla till Linuxtr=E4ff 2010 den sker > l=F6rdagen den 18 september 2010 den dagen d=E5 resten av v=E4rlden firar > Software Freedom Day. 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= --_a8549e02-83df-45c5-b515-d37a1d22349d_-- --===============1823044784== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============1823044784==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Aug 25 10:48:33 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7P8mEDi019949; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:48:22 +0200 Received: from cypress.joyent.us (cypress.joyent.us [8.17.171.161]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7P8mC0M019940 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:48:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (84-217-6-83.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.6.83]) by cypress.joyent.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AB637689F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:47:23 +0200 From: Marcus Ahnve To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Rekryteringsmail =?utf-8?B?cMOl?= listan Message-ID: <20100825084723.GF8233@spacelab.ahnve> References: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:48:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:48:13 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:49:28AM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 22:56+0200, Daniel Stenberg (daniel@haxx.se) wrot= e: > > Hejsan > > = > > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser at= t vi = > > inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g = i allm=E4nhet = > > just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad vi kan dryft= a h=E4r. Om = > > ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s=E5 lufta g=E4rna= era =E5sikter. > = > Jag kan tycka att en rimlig niv=E5 =E4r att folk inte ska droppa in p=E5 > listan och f=F6rst (eller enbart) posta rekryteringsmail. =C4r man p=E5 n= =E5t > s=E4tt delaktig (antingen genom att vara med i diskussionen eller > sponsra tr=E4ffar osv som tidigare sagts =E4r det helt ok, men att ha folk > som enbart postar annonser tycker inte jag =E4r lika roligt. M=E5nga andra listor har regler om prefix, typ ANN:, JOB: osv. D=E5 =E4r de= t ju bara att filtrera det som man inte vill ta del av. /Marcus -- = Marcus Ahnve = http://marcus.ahnve.net phone: +46 8 56 22 33 94 = twitter: mahnve _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Aug 25 11:37:08 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7P9awxw018393; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:37:01 +0200 Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7P9auYV018290 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:36:56 +0200 Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so254636pwi.41 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L0IVrg4k1M3IvhuvjB8YhJEsG/kXAcssyPqqZrw8odQ=; b=hXl1Fy7pwC/nJkOLugMG0fKPmvKlRS6l5umnr2DOgXGvnMPmxjsJDRP2Fw99YnGMrQ CHOlBfgTl/Dh/0qKr0nLLBUzzi2tWFbECtLV3IIaNCcC2tNRWFNWuEQXhp3+PamhXtTG 8Rcci1+j1kzHZdnZQ937HtEvfrYeZazozjKGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RS5awpV8I0cHlxqeH2pVIxiHoeUrOAWrJQaFH6UsanEhlSUasHt0QZa93CpdAQ5qJq xN4NtWStVQYeuR3wJtJf0dFWA6LHAUeVP8kp2g8pZPMVgOC9uDxPV2s9MI32ziMwnrA+ zMfxcSQupzj3mID5tb09NzVauiGejbwTTgwN4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.136.12 with SMTP id j12mr1722438wfd.272.1282729009024; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.47.9 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100825084723.GF8233@spacelab.ahnve> References: <20100824064927.GA29787@gustavskorv.stacken.kth.se> <20100825084723.GF8233@spacelab.ahnve> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:36:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Rekryteringsmail_p=E5_listan?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_L=F6nroth?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:37:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:36:57 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Men jag vill ju ha "ANN" om det inneh=E5ller texten: "... och dessutom sponsrar vi med en ny Ferrari till alla i FOSS-sthlm" Jag vill inte beh=F6va filtrera. Filter =E4r av ondo f=F6r att bek=E4mpa v= =E4rre ondska. Kan man vara utan det s=E5 =E4r det av godo. /Erik 2010/8/25 Marcus Ahnve : > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:49:28AM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 22:56+0200, Daniel Stenberg (daniel@haxx.se) wro= te: >> > Hejsan >> > >> > Jag sl=E4ppte fram det senaste rekryteringsmailet eftersom jag anser a= tt vi >> > inte har n=E5got problem med s=E5na och att mailtrafiken ju =E4r l=E5g= i allm=E4nhet >> > just nu. Jag ser g=E4rna att vi har h=F6gt i tak f=F6r vad vi kan dryf= ta h=E4r. Om >> > ni har andra eller liknande =E5sikter om s=E5na mail s=E5 lufta g=E4rn= a era =E5sikter. >> >> Jag kan tycka att en rimlig niv=E5 =E4r att folk inte ska droppa in p=E5 >> listan och f=F6rst (eller enbart) posta rekryteringsmail. =C4r man p=E5 = n=E5t >> s=E4tt delaktig (antingen genom att vara med i diskussionen eller >> sponsra tr=E4ffar osv som tidigare sagts =E4r det helt ok, men att ha fo= lk >> som enbart postar annonser tycker inte jag =E4r lika roligt. > > M=E5nga andra listor har regler om prefix, typ ANN:, JOB: osv. D=E5 =E4r = det ju > bara att filtrera det som man inte vill ta del av. > > /Marcus > > -- > Marcus Ahnve > http://marcus.ahnve.net > phone: +46 8 56 22 33 94 > twitter: mahnve > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Wed Aug 25 19:19:54 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7PHJaOD007113; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:43 +0200 Received: from vps1.henriknordstrom.net (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [195.20.207.177]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7PHJYQc007100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:34 +0200 Received: from henriknordstrom.net ([IPv6:2002:51d8:9fb7::1]) by vps1.henriknordstrom.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id o7PHJTDX026374 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:19:30 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henriknordstrom.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o7PHJSup010866 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Meego och/eller Android? From: Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:28 +0200 Message-ID: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-4.fc13) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:19:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [IPv6:2a02:750:7::d0a]); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. Mvh Henrik tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > Hejsan > = > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android och k= anske n=E5got = > om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de f=F6rst= a = > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > = > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5got = dyligt i = > oktober? > = > -- = > = > / daniel.haxx.se > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se= / http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Thu Aug 26 22:16:44 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7QKGM1O032703; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:16:30 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7QKGKcW032681 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:16:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:16:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Community_Hack_II=3A_L=E5sdyrkning_=2F_Spotify_sponsrar_l=E4sk_och_snacks?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="===============0989243756==" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:16:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:16:20 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============0989243756== Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Mors John skickade nyss det här på Owasp-listan. Ni som fortfarande inte anmält er: det är inte för sent att göra det nu! -- / daniel.haxx.se ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:45:29 From: John Wilander Hej! Ville bara påminna om att anmäla sig till Community Hack II som går av stapeln nästa helg, 4-5 september (https://communityhack2.eventbrite.com/). Vi är just nu lite över 30 pers. Kommer bli grymt kul att få en helg på sig att rota i nya saker ihop med andra intresserade! * Prova på låsdyrkning * Ian Vitek och Magnus Bråding har erbjudit sig att hålla en workshop om låsdyrkning lördag förmiddag. En skön start för alla säkerhetsintresserade – missa inte det! För er som tycker detta låter konstigt så kan jag nämna att det är en tämligen normal företeelse inom hackerkulturen och inte nämnvärt annorlunda än att lära sig om säkerhetsbrister i IT-system. Jag har till och med varit på låsdyrkningsföredrag på konferensen IEEE Security & Privacy :). * Spotify sponsrar läsk och snacks * Det var ett antal företag som ville sponsra med cola. Spotify var dock snabbast och toppar upp det med snacks också. Ingen näringsbrist med andra ord. Vi pratar också med andra om sponsring av t ex biobiljetter. Välkomna! Mvh, John -- John Wilander Chapter leader OWASP Sweden, http://owaspsweden.blogspot.com Conference chair OWASP AppSec Research 2010, http://owasp.se --===============0989243756== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0989243756==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 13:45:28 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RBj9sL010363; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:17 +0200 Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (smtprelay-b11.telenor.se [62.127.194.20]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RBj6I0009819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:06 +0200 Received: from ipb4.telenor.se (ipb4.telenor.se [195.54.127.167]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2828C6C1 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:44:59 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.32.92] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcyABtCd0xV4SBcPGdsb2JhbACDF51BDAEBAQE1LakskgyBIoMicwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,278,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="1664267905" Received: from c-5c20e155.1352-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO goffe.pompesoft.se) ([85.225.32.92]) by ipb4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2010 13:44:59 +0200 Received: from borderline.pompesoft.se ([192.168.5.48] helo=[127.0.0.1] ident=pogo) by goffe.pompesoft.se with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoxMh-0007gD-6Q for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:44:59 +0200 Subject: apt-get telefon From: Pontus Goffe To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:44:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.5.48 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: pontus.goffe@bredband.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on goffe.pompesoft.se); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:45:06 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: pontus.goffe@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N900. Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycket roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D) //PG ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m: > Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. > = > Mvh > Henrik > = > tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > > Hejsan > > = > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android och= kanske n=E5got = > > om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de f=F6r= sta = > > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > > = > > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5go= t dyligt i = > > oktober? > > = > > -- = > > = > > / daniel.haxx.se > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.= se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > = > = > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 14:07:10 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RC73Lr023355; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:07:05 +0200 Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RC6xTv023296 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:07:01 +0200 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so1426421gxk.41 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FS1qh+CxxYOGKEyZ4uB3u4MUoN+hnkaZrZlhEkst03A=; b=eWyLOXsIT5LFyjUPnEklA+9J6yI6/uWAD4otuvpmz9LTPd8wQHJrOzqJxI47kjSjuO 9FoOOP+Iw9N/iLJhG3yv9x3KhA44DlU11L7KmY/fiLhT2GaAjKu14PIpvpB1loJC3aJR qE/MeQ6zqlb62xIZAyBOuwwuV/W5n9kE/dfOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MbgoAsLZT36X1VNPcyZ9NFmFG8WE2wKuafVGNoEXPzQ3S40rxGX46WwSVHvfYEX2vO vlQErNlHOPO0epLRkGOxghwM817Pao9VWfveLXrYpKN3UHC1CPYnMIhG0UbIEpkDqHe7 NfmkMf26uuEuJ4c+ft/tefTlCs87DY4Shbjyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.17.27 with SMTP id u27mr1801037ybi.158.1282910811091; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.2.144 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:06:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:06:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apt-get telefon From: Elis Axelsson To: pontus.goffe@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:07:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:07:01 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0945750733==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0945750733== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd68d062c72c0048eccf31f --000e0cd68d062c72c0048eccf31f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grattis till ditt k=C3=B6p! Jag skaffade en N900 typ ny f=C3=B6r en vecka s= edan :) Har k=C3=B6rt Android ett tag och det k=C3=A4nns inte s=C3=A5 bra. Installe= rade ett teriminalprogram i den. $ ssh Permission denied va? 2010/8/27 Pontus Goffe > Meego skulle vara v=C3=A4ldigt passande f=C3=B6r jag har just blivit med = en N900. > > Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=C3=A5 avgjorders det > snabbt i morse n=C3=A4r jag s=C3=A5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir myc= ket > roligare att kunna koda p=C3=A5 riktigt ;=3D) > //PG > > ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=C3=B6m: > > Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=C3=A5n Nokia. > > > > Mvh > > Henrik > > > > tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > > > Hejsan > > > > > > Jag skulle g=C3=A4rna h=C3=B6ra ett f=C3=B6redrag om Meego och/eller = Android och > kanske n=C3=A5got > > > om hur man g=C3=B6r/kommer ig=C3=A5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka = de f=C3=B6rsta > > > fallgroparna =C3=A4r eller s=C3=A5. > > > > > > N=C3=A5gon/n=C3=A5gra h=C3=A4r som k=C3=A4nner att de skulle kunna sn= acka om n=C3=A5got dyligt i > > > oktober? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > / daniel.haxx.se > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > --=20 Elis "Etu" Axelsson +46 70 425 12 98 ----- Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --000e0cd68d062c72c0048eccf31f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grattis till ditt k=C3=B6p! Jag skaffade en N900 typ ny f=C3=B6r en vecka s= edan :)


Har k=C3=B6rt Android ett tag och det k=C3=A4nns= inte s=C3=A5 bra. Installerade ett teriminalprogram i den.

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$ ssh
Permission denied

va?

2010/8/27 Pontus Goffe <pontus.goffe@bredband.net>
Meego skulle vara v=C3=A4ldigt passande f=C3=B6r jag har just blivit med en= N900.

Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=C3=A5 avgjorders det
snabbt i morse n=C3=A4r jag s=C3=A5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycke= t
roligare att kunna koda p=C3=A5 riktigt ;=3D)
//PG

ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=C3=B6m:
> Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=C3=A5n Nokia.
>
> Mvh
> Henrik
>
> tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg:
> > Hejsan
> >
> > Jag skulle g=C3=A4rna h=C3=B6ra ett f=C3=B6redrag om Meego och/el= ler Android och kanske n=C3=A5got
> > om hur man g=C3=B6r/kommer ig=C3=A5ng med utveckling till dem, vi= lka de f=C3=B6rsta
> > fallgroparna =C3=A4r eller s=C3=A5.
> >
> > N=C3=A5gon/n=C3=A5gra h=C3=A4r som k=C3=A4nner att de skulle kunn= a snacka om n=C3=A5got dyligt i
> > oktober?
> >
> > --
> >
> > =C2=A0 / dani= el.haxx.se
> > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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--000e0cd68d062c72c0048eccf31f-- --===============0945750733== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0945750733==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 14:24:54 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCOkOh001409; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:48 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCOk9I001404 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:46 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCFE518D547; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:43 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pontus.goffe@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> In-Reply-To: <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:24:46 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej! Det h=E4r kanske inte =E4r r=E4tt forum f=F6r produktutv=E4rderingar men ja= g har snurrat runt i smartphone-tr=E4sket ett antal =E5r. Iphone har aldrig lockat d=E5 jag inte fastnat i Apple-sv=E4ngen och Iphone k=E4nns inl=E5st och kontrollerad av Apple =E4ven om det s=E4kert =E4r en stabil produkt. K=F6rde ett tag med en SonyEricsson P990i (Symbian UIQ 3.0). Till den fanns det en hel del kommersiella apps att k=F6pa men UIQ k=E4ndes tyv=E4rr buggigt. K=F6rde ett tag en Nokia N810 som i och f=F6r sig inte har 3G men med Bluetooth-tethering till simplaste SE-telefonen som l=E5g i fickan var det en kul surfplatta f=F6r sin tid. Skulle tro att det var en av de f=F6rsta smartphones (om man nu kan s=E4ga det n=E4r den saknade 3G) som hade inbyggd GPS. Nu har jag k=F6rt Android ett =E5r med min HTC Hero. F=F6r mig k=E4nns Andr= oid som ett smartphone-OS och inte ett mobiltelefons-OS. Telefontekniskt ligger Android 5 =E5r efter tex SonyEricssons eget mobil-OS som SE har i de enklare telefoner. Tack vare min N810 har jag aldrig skaffat n=E5gon dedicerad bil-GPS, navigeringen i N810 var tex betydligt b=E4ttre =E4n den inbyggda i firmas SAAB och s=E5 var det kul att man kunde v=E4lja mellan Erik Haag eller Martina Haag som navigat=F6rer. Alla instruktioner ligger i separata ogg-filer s=E5 man kan dessutom g=F6ra sin egen navigeringsr=F6st... Eftersom jag normalt kan navigera utan GPS har det blivit s=E5 att N810 f=E5tt agera semester-GPS och nu till sommaren t=E4nkte jag k=F6pa mig en "navigeringsm=E5nad" ifr=E5n Wayfinder eftersom man m=E5ste ha en licens f= =F6r att sj=E4lva r=F6stnavigering ska fungera. Tyv=E4rr har Wayfiner skippat supporten f=F6r N810 och d=E5 vill de visst inte ha pengar av mig heller... Jag b=F6rjade d=E5 unders=F6ka N900 som skulle bli min n=E4sta gadget, denna g=E5ng med inbyggd 3G och allt. Allt innefattar bla APT-GET f=F6r att knyta ann till =E4mnesraden. Efter en hel del googlande har jag f=F6rs=E5tt att d= et inte finns n=E5gon fungerande r=F6stnavigering i N900 och jag lyckades inte hitta n=E5got som tyder p=E5 att det =E4r p=E5 v=E4g heller. Det k=E4nns som att det =E4r sv=E5rt att hitta den ultimata fickprylen. - Iphone styrs med j=E4rnhand av Apple. - Android styrs n=E4sta lika h=E5rt av Google och att det finns m=E5nga telefontillverkare som som g=F6r eget eller bara =E4r tillslutna underl=E4ttar inte. - N900 k=E4nns som att den har f=F6r liten marknad f=F6r att f=E5 ett stort utbud av programvaror eller annat. Jag f=E5r helt enkelt ta fram min gamla Archos och lyssna p=E5 musik ist=E4llet. Den levererade vad den lovade, speciellt med "custom-ROM" s=E5 som ROCKbox :-) // Mem Den 2010-08-27 13:44, Pontus Goffe skrev: > Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N90= 0. > = > Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det > snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycket > roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D) > //PG > = > ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m: >> Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. >> >> Mvh >> Henrik >> >> tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: >>> Hejsan >>> >>> Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android och= kanske n=E5got = >>> om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de f=F6r= sta = >>> fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. >>> >>> N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5go= t dyligt i = >>> oktober? >>> >>> -- = >>> >>> / daniel.haxx.se _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 14:27:38 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCRWua002871; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:27:33 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.35]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCRUxH002862 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:27:30 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371E1C2898 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:27:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from :mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id; s=sasl; bh=TNmJlat0T1YUozpnRvAJrx4hJvg=; b= RhnDUAwcsA5ndGUSbLSNeYYuv0CWBGCtVBNXxPi58cgLe0caT3ooGvuiELXKtevI IQMuOOkwF0SjxmO3wTOSpGJnxd0M0MaKxa1SqvFGDpElYe4rsT96q+04qoaPy+Hs i/xfrf4a8WWQA4RvznE1fmvP14NYrWe7IAzoZE5mGzE= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E49C2896 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.8.36.139] (unknown [194.237.7.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EE65C2895 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremiah Foster Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: apt-get telefon Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:27:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> Message-Id: <729818CC-34D6-4B86-A5CE-7B9A383F6AD5@jeremiahfoster.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 736A5766-B1D6-11DF-BE73-A3DF016DD5F0-97416961!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:27:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:27:30 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0072109869==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0072109869== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-43--337834723 --Apple-Mail-43--337834723 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The best way to get a terminal on the N900 is to install the terminal = program from Maemo.org. (You'll have to be in the Maemo OS to do that.) Once you've installed a terminal, you can get root access with 'sudo = gainroot' which drops you into a root term. Then you can just apt-get = openssh, or if you prefer, download and install through the Maemo = package manager (you may need to enable some of the 'extras' = repositories to do that.) Underneath Maemo is a pretty full Debian install and you can install = other OSes in chroots if you like, including MeeGo and Android. Jeremiah =20 On Aug 27, 2010, at 14:06, Elis Axelsson wrote: > Grattis till ditt k=F6p! Jag skaffade en N900 typ ny f=F6r en vecka = sedan :) >=20 > Har k=F6rt Android ett tag och det k=E4nns inte s=E5 bra. Installerade = ett teriminalprogram i den. >=20 > $ ssh > Permission denied >=20 > va? >=20 > 2010/8/27 Pontus Goffe > Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en = N900. >=20 > Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det > snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycket > roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D) > //PG >=20 > ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m: > > Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. > > > > Mvh > > Henrik > > > > tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > > > Hejsan > > > > > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller = Android och kanske n=E5got > > > om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de = f=F6rsta > > > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > > > > > > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om = n=E5got dyligt i > > > oktober? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > / daniel.haxx.se > > > _______________________________________________ = http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ = http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Elis "Etu" Axelsson > +46 70 425 12 98 > ----- > Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --Apple-Mail-43--337834723 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 The = best way to get a terminal on the N900 is to install the terminal = program from Maemo.org. (You'll have to = be in the Maemo OS to do that.)

Once you've installed = a terminal, you can get root access with 'sudo gainroot' which drops you = into a root term. Then you can just apt-get openssh, or if you prefer, = download and install through the Maemo package manager (you may need to = enable some of the 'extras' repositories to do = that.)

Underneath Maemo is a pretty full Debian = install and you can install other OSes in chroots if you like, including = MeeGo and = Android.

Jeremiah
 
O= n Aug 27, 2010, at 14:06, Elis Axelsson wrote:

Grattis = till ditt k=F6p! Jag skaffade en N900 typ ny f=F6r en vecka sedan = :)

Har k=F6rt Android ett tag och det k=E4nns inte s=E5= bra. Installerade ett teriminalprogram i = den.

$ ssh
Permission denied

va?

2010/8/27 Pontus Goffe <pontus.goffe@bredband.net>= ;
Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en = N900.

Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det
snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir = mycket
roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D)
//PG

ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m:
> Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia.
>
> Mvh
> Henrik
>
> tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg:
> > Hejsan
> >
> > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller = Android och kanske n=E5got
> > om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka = de f=F6rsta
> > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5.
> >
> > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka = om n=E5got dyligt i
> > oktober?
> >
> > --
> >
> >   / daniel.haxx.se
> > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm<= /a>
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(unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53638C28CE for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.8.36.139] (unknown [194.237.7.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 035ADC28CD for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) From: Jeremiah Foster In-Reply-To: <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:32:26 +0200 Message-Id: References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 277FAE4A-B1D7-11DF-8431-A3DF016DD5F0-97416961!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:33:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:33:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Aug 27, 2010, at 14:24, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > = > Det k=E4nns som att det =E4r sv=E5rt att hitta den ultimata fickprylen. > - Iphone styrs med j=E4rnhand av Apple. > - Android styrs n=E4sta lika h=E5rt av Google och att det finns m=E5nga > telefontillverkare som som g=F6r eget eller bara =E4r tillslutna > underl=E4ttar inte. > - N900 k=E4nns som att den har f=F6r liten marknad f=F6r att f=E5 ett sto= rt > utbud av programvaror eller annat. The N900 also runs MeeGo which is going to be the operating system for Noki= a smart phones on Linux in the future. I'm not fond of certain things in Me= eGo, not least because they moved away from Debian, but it is Free Software= and is far, far more open than both Android and iPhone. Plus you can devel= op the way you want to; emacs and perl. Because everyone wants to use emacs= and perl on their phone. Jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 14:56:08 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCtugQ027587; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:56:00 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RCtsOQ027582 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:55:54 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C870F18D413 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C77B5D8.9010303@netnod.se> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:55:52 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:56:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:55:55 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hi Jeremiah, Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend (the other-one than Eliza). You forgot the HP calculator, but on the other hand I guess there is a HP-RPN mode in Emacs :-) For the moment I use Driod48 in my phone. For me it's sad that they replace the deb packages with rpms, I'm running Debian both professionally (200 servers or so) and at home. Regards, // Mem Den 2010-08-27 14:32, Jeremiah Foster skrev: > On Aug 27, 2010, at 14:24, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > = >> Det k=E4nns som att det =E4r sv=E5rt att hitta den ultimata fickprylen. >> - Iphone styrs med j=E4rnhand av Apple. >> - Android styrs n=E4sta lika h=E5rt av Google och att det finns m=E5nga >> telefontillverkare som som g=F6r eget eller bara =E4r tillslutna >> underl=E4ttar inte. >> - N900 k=E4nns som att den har f=F6r liten marknad f=F6r att f=E5 ett st= ort >> utbud av programvaror eller annat. > = > The N900 also runs MeeGo which is going to be the operating system for No= kia smart phones on Linux in the future. I'm not fond of certain things in = MeeGo, not least because they moved away from Debian, but it is Free Softwa= re and is far, far more open than both Android and iPhone. Plus you can dev= elop the way you want to; emacs and perl. Because everyone wants to use ema= cs and perl on their phone. > = > Jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Fri Aug 27 15:09:22 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RD9FjO010560; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:16 +0200 Received: from smtprelay-h32.telenor.se (smtprelay-h32.telenor.se [213.150.131.5]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RD9EeR010508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:14 +0200 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h32.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123B3EA775 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:07 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.32.92] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj42AJFVd0xV4SBcPGdsb2JhbACDF4RSmG8MAQEBATUtqTGSCoEigyJzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,278,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="123846003" Received: from c-5c20e155.1352-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO goffe.pompesoft.se) ([85.225.32.92]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2010 15:09:06 +0200 Received: from borderline.pompesoft.se ([192.168.5.48] helo=[127.0.0.1] ident=pogo) by goffe.pompesoft.se with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ooyg6-0008Ic-4O; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:06 +0200 Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) From: Pontus Goffe To: Magnus Sandberg , FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1282914545.18172.51.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.5.48 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: pontus.goffe@bredband.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on goffe.pompesoft.se); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:09:14 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: pontus.goffe@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Jag vet inte vad jag tycker =E4n, jag har k=F6rt Ericsson sen de v=E4gde m= =E5nga kilo men tycker dessv=E4rre kvaliteten minskat i takt med vikten. Efter P900 gav jag upp smartphones och k=E4nde mig som en bak=E5tstr=E4vare. Jag =E4r helt ny p=E5 Nokia men f=F6rv=E4ntansfull, jag hoppas att N900 =E4= r en kul Debian hoj f=F6rutom telefon. //PG fre 2010-08-27 klockan 14:24 +0200 skrev Magnus Sandberg: > Hej! > = > Det h=E4r kanske inte =E4r r=E4tt forum f=F6r produktutv=E4rderingar men = jag har > snurrat runt i smartphone-tr=E4sket ett antal =E5r. Iphone har aldrig loc= kat > d=E5 jag inte fastnat i Apple-sv=E4ngen och Iphone k=E4nns inl=E5st och > kontrollerad av Apple =E4ven om det s=E4kert =E4r en stabil produkt. > = > K=F6rde ett tag med en SonyEricsson P990i (Symbian UIQ 3.0). Till den > fanns det en hel del kommersiella apps att k=F6pa men UIQ k=E4ndes tyv=E4= rr > buggigt. > = > K=F6rde ett tag en Nokia N810 som i och f=F6r sig inte har 3G men med > Bluetooth-tethering till simplaste SE-telefonen som l=E5g i fickan var det > en kul surfplatta f=F6r sin tid. Skulle tro att det var en av de f=F6rsta > smartphones (om man nu kan s=E4ga det n=E4r den saknade 3G) som hade inby= ggd > GPS. > = > Nu har jag k=F6rt Android ett =E5r med min HTC Hero. F=F6r mig k=E4nns An= droid > som ett smartphone-OS och inte ett mobiltelefons-OS. Telefontekniskt > ligger Android 5 =E5r efter tex SonyEricssons eget mobil-OS som SE har i > de enklare telefoner. > = > Tack vare min N810 har jag aldrig skaffat n=E5gon dedicerad bil-GPS, > navigeringen i N810 var tex betydligt b=E4ttre =E4n den inbyggda i firmas > SAAB och s=E5 var det kul att man kunde v=E4lja mellan Erik Haag eller > Martina Haag som navigat=F6rer. Alla instruktioner ligger i separata > ogg-filer s=E5 man kan dessutom g=F6ra sin egen navigeringsr=F6st... > Eftersom jag normalt kan navigera utan GPS har det blivit s=E5 att N810 > f=E5tt agera semester-GPS och nu till sommaren t=E4nkte jag k=F6pa mig en > "navigeringsm=E5nad" ifr=E5n Wayfinder eftersom man m=E5ste ha en licens = f=F6r > att sj=E4lva r=F6stnavigering ska fungera. Tyv=E4rr har Wayfiner skippat > supporten f=F6r N810 och d=E5 vill de visst inte ha pengar av mig heller.= .. > = > Jag b=F6rjade d=E5 unders=F6ka N900 som skulle bli min n=E4sta gadget, de= nna > g=E5ng med inbyggd 3G och allt. Allt innefattar bla APT-GET f=F6r att kny= ta > ann till =E4mnesraden. Efter en hel del googlande har jag f=F6rs=E5tt att= det > inte finns n=E5gon fungerande r=F6stnavigering i N900 och jag lyckades in= te > hitta n=E5got som tyder p=E5 att det =E4r p=E5 v=E4g heller. > = > = > Det k=E4nns som att det =E4r sv=E5rt att hitta den ultimata fickprylen. > - Iphone styrs med j=E4rnhand av Apple. > - Android styrs n=E4sta lika h=E5rt av Google och att det finns m=E5nga > telefontillverkare som som g=F6r eget eller bara =E4r tillslutna > underl=E4ttar inte. > - N900 k=E4nns som att den har f=F6r liten marknad f=F6r att f=E5 ett sto= rt > utbud av programvaror eller annat. > = > Jag f=E5r helt enkelt ta fram min gamla Archos och lyssna p=E5 musik > ist=E4llet. Den levererade vad den lovade, speciellt med "custom-ROM" s= =E5 > som ROCKbox :-) > = > // Mem > = > = > = > Den 2010-08-27 13:44, Pontus Goffe skrev: > > Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N= 900. > > = > > Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det > > snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycket > > roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D) > > //PG > > = > > ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m: > >> Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. > >> > >> Mvh > >> Henrik > >> > >> tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > >>> Hejsan > >>> > >>> Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android o= ch kanske n=E5got = > >>> om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de f= =F6rsta = > >>> fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. > >>> > >>> N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n=E5= got dyligt i = > >>> oktober? > >>> > >>> -- = > >>> > >>> / daniel.haxx.se > = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sat Aug 28 01:42:12 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RJY8hC002665; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:34:16 +0200 Received: from smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (smtp-out12.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.212]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7RJY7os002327 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:34:07 +0200 Received: from dracena.localnet (81.233.2.138) by smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (8.5.114) (authenticated as u83207524) id 4BC6CFA702246F52; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:57 +0200 From: Mikael Bergqvist To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:33:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-22-generic; KDE/4.5.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <4C77B5D8.9010303@netnod.se> In-Reply-To: <4C77B5D8.9010303@netnod.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201008272133.57038.mikaels.mail@telia.com> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:34:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:34:07 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se *me thinks this is the n900 channel of foss sthlm: There is of course a hp48 emulator available to n900, it works very well, a= nd = looks and feels, thanks to the touchscreen with tactile feedback, surprisin= gly = like the original. :-) /Mikael fredag 27 augusti 2010 skrev Magnus Sandberg: > Hi Jeremiah, > = > Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend > (the other-one than Eliza). You forgot the HP calculator, but on the > other hand I guess there is a HP-RPN mode in Emacs :-) For the moment I > use Driod48 in my phone. > = > For me it's sad that they replace the deb packages with rpms, I'm > running Debian both professionally (200 servers or so) and at home. > = > Regards, > = > // Mem > = > Den 2010-08-27 14:32, Jeremiah Foster skrev: > > On Aug 27, 2010, at 14:24, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > >> Det k=E4nns som att det =E4r sv=E5rt att hitta den ultimata fickprylen. > >> - Iphone styrs med j=E4rnhand av Apple. > >> - Android styrs n=E4sta lika h=E5rt av Google och att det finns m=E5nga > >> = > >> telefontillverkare som som g=F6r eget eller bara =E4r tillslutna > >> underl=E4ttar inte. > >> = > >> - N900 k=E4nns som att den har f=F6r liten marknad f=F6r att f=E5 ett = stort > >> = > >> utbud av programvaror eller annat. > > = > > The N900 also runs MeeGo which is going to be the operating system for > > Nokia smart phones on Linux in the future. I'm not fond of certain > > things in MeeGo, not least because they moved away from Debian, but it > > is Free Software and is far, far more open than both Android and iPhone. > > Plus you can develop the way you want to; emacs and perl. Because > > everyone wants to use emacs and perl on their phone. > > = > > Jeremiah > = > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sat Aug 28 01:42:31 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7REWaI2026996; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:32:45 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7REWYXK026938 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:32:35 +0200 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so2497698ewy.41 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.15.135 with SMTP id k7mr2353013eba.15.1282919552054; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.35.81 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [92.244.27.51] In-Reply-To: <729818CC-34D6-4B86-A5CE-7B9A383F6AD5@jeremiahfoster.com> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <729818CC-34D6-4B86-A5CE-7B9A383F6AD5@jeremiahfoster.com> From: Adam H Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:32:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apt-get telefon To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:32:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:32:35 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se You can even dual-boot, so you can run a full Android install if you like. Not that i would understand why since you have Maemo ;) Nice showoff though. To actually have a phone capable of running emacs, a lot of scripting languages as well as gcc natively is a blessing from above. Plus there are lots of projects for extending and tweaking capability, a good example of what you can accomplish is the Frankencamera project by Stanford. http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/camera-2.0/ Den 27 augusti 2010 14:27 skrev Jeremiah Foster : > The best way to get a terminal on the N900 is to install the terminal > program from Maemo.org. (You'll have to be in the Maemo OS to do that.) > Once you've installed a terminal, you can get root access with 'sudo > gainroot' which drops you into a root term. Then you can just apt-get > openssh, or if you prefer, download and install through the Maemo package > manager (you may need to enable some of the 'extras' repositories to do > that.) > Underneath Maemo is a pretty full Debian install and you can install other > OSes in chroots if you like, including MeeGo and Android. > Jeremiah > > On Aug 27, 2010, at 14:06, Elis Axelsson wrote: > > Grattis till ditt k=F6p! Jag skaffade en N900 typ ny f=F6r en vecka sedan= :) > Har k=F6rt Android ett tag och det k=E4nns inte s=E5 bra. Installerade ett > teriminalprogram i den. > $ ssh > Permission denied > va? > 2010/8/27 Pontus Goffe >> >> Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N9= 00. >> >> Efter att ha suktat iPhone eller Android ett tag s=E5 avgjorders det >> snabbt i morse n=E4r jag s=E5g annonspriset 3333:- och det blir mycket >> roligare att kunna koda p=E5 riktigt ;=3D) >> //PG >> >> ons 2010-08-25 klockan 19:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m: >> > Kommer ev en Meego tekniker fr=E5n Nokia. >> > >> > Mvh >> > Henrik >> > >> > tor 2010-08-19 klockan 18:38 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: >> > > Hejsan >> > > >> > > Jag skulle g=E4rna h=F6ra ett f=F6redrag om Meego och/eller Android = och >> > > kanske n=E5got >> > > om hur man g=F6r/kommer ig=E5ng med utveckling till dem, vilka de f= =F6rsta >> > > fallgroparna =E4r eller s=E5. >> > > >> > > N=E5gon/n=E5gra h=E4r som k=E4nner att de skulle kunna snacka om n= =E5got dyligt >> > > i >> > > oktober? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > =A0 / daniel.haxx.se >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > > -- > Elis "Etu" Axelsson > +46 70 425 12 98 > ----- > Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > > _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 11:28:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7T9SRlc030316; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:39 +0200 Received: from corpus.illuminet.se (corpus.illuminet.se [91.142.180.90]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7T9SPxY030309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:25 +0200 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c83-251-105-230.bredband.comhem.se [83.251.105.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonas@corpus.illuminet.se) by corpus.illuminet.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D625FCA0062; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7A2837.4080700@illuminet.se> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:23 +0200 From: Jonas Bosson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?RsO2cmVkcmFnIHDDpSBva3RvYmVybcO2dGV0IT8=?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:28:25 +0200 (CEST) Cc: se-help X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On 08/17/2010 10:44 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > Vilket f=F6redrag vill DU h=E5lla f=F6r oss d=E5? > FFII kan ber=E4tta om vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten b=E5de h=E4r i EU= d=E4r vi =E4r aktiva att bevaka och p=E5verka och i USA d=E4r saker h=E4nder allt snabbare just nu. Vi kan =E4ven ber=E4tta om de f=F6rslag vi har kring hur man kan reformera patentsystemet och var vi tycker att gr=E4nsen ska g=E5 mellan patenterbart och icke patenterbart "subject matter". mvh jonas bosson, ordf. ffii.se 070 4217840 > Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration t= ill > f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) > = > Jag vet att det =E4r r=E4tt l=E5ng tid kvar, men det =E4r dags att b=F6rj= a samla > ihop lite tr=E5dar. Jag kommer =E4ven att =F6ppna upp f=F6r anm=E4lningar= inom kort. > = > Bocka f=F6r i kalendern, damma av dina slajds och b=F6rja planera f=F6r > h=F6st-foss! > = > [*] =3D http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html > = > = > = > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 12:26:09 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TAQ1sq003437; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:26:04 +0200 Received: from smtprelay-h32.telenor.se (smtprelay-h32.telenor.se [213.150.131.5]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TAPxZB003402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:25:59 +0200 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h32.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F51FE96D0 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:25:53 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [213.114.169.29] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlBgAOPReUzVcqkdPGdsb2JhbACBPIQ8mkQZAQEBATW4CoU3BIoJ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,286,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="124435916" Received: from c-1da972d5.015-28-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [213.114.169.29]) ([213.114.169.29]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 29 Aug 2010 12:25:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4C7A35B2.4060605@areta.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:25:54 +0200 From: Johan Henriksson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=F6redrag_p=E5_oktoberm=F6tet!=3F?= References: <4C7A2837.4080700@illuminet.se> In-Reply-To: <4C7A2837.4080700@illuminet.se> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:26:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:25:59 +0200 (CEST) Cc: se-help X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Jonas Bosson wrote: > On 08/17/2010 10:44 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: > = >> Vilket f=F6redrag vill DU h=E5lla f=F6r oss d=E5? >> >> = > > > FFII kan ber=E4tta om vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten b=E5de h=E4r i = EU d=E4r vi > =E4r aktiva att bevaka och p=E5verka och i USA d=E4r saker h=E4nder allt > snabbare just nu. > = +1, och r=E5kar du =E4ven veta mer om hur det st=E5r till med EU vs microso= ft = i konkurrensfr=E5gor f=E5r du g=E4rna ta upp det med! /Johan > Vi kan =E4ven ber=E4tta om de f=F6rslag vi har kring hur man kan reformera > patentsystemet och var vi tycker att gr=E4nsen ska g=E5 mellan patenterba= rt > och icke patenterbart "subject matter". > > mvh > jonas bosson, > ordf. ffii.se > 070 4217840 > > > = >> Vilket f=F6redrag eller f=F6redragare vill DU h=F6ra d=E5? (Inspiration = till >> f=F6redrag finns f=F6rst=E5s p=E5 http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/talks.html) >> >> Jag vet att det =E4r r=E4tt l=E5ng tid kvar, men det =E4r dags att b=F6r= ja samla >> ihop lite tr=E5dar. Jag kommer =E4ven att =F6ppna upp f=F6r anm=E4lninga= r inom kort. >> >> Bocka f=F6r i kalendern, damma av dina slajds och b=F6rja planera f=F6r >> h=F6st-foss! >> >> [*] =3D http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote4.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ >> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm >> = > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 13:43:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TBhYHV022950; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:40 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TBhW1h022741 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:32 +0200 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so5807183wwb.11 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 04:43:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/wio2l76G+osZNoMNkRLLaNYakKT8gMaYKXNlELLXS8=; b=f+mGsm5BfFnk0gDcAm/KH8oV3MexBRfr1CZb3jfkLxX5ttSYMkthfXH+L8OA2m+eGJ BLwdwV9uyJRWml+QUpYwdbJmGfualuBlFPFB3xdCesAWWyXug0c+ygkmYtsFA5JH9I+1 /QlrbiBBU6xIaFti3vQpkzm7S2chvklURr0P0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U1U3oXknQ1GketGv6JRna3PCk+GAuU/OFp2H47eqiuqLUsoFYip8y3C0zUR4HFMoSA aKoohhC74ewGKmxFZ19e5l/Xr0Q1S4qmraM9E2KyIsKZ8zrJenpXp14nl6Z1IFdqeTzY ve/9kia4NbVKO9pMWZHVIVJCEUT4GOxDOGoGQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.16 with SMTP id h16mr3541541wec.6.1283082205122; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 04:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 04:43:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C77B5D8.9010303@netnod.se> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <4C77AE8B.30600@netnod.se> <4C77B5D8.9010303@netnod.se> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apt-get telefon (N900) From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:43:32 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend > (the other-one than Eliza). There are actually people that don't have, and even those who don't want, a girlfriend. Analogous, there are people who don't have nor want Emacs or Pe= rl. I get that this was a joke. IMHO it is a bad one, due to the heteronormativ= e and male hacker norm parts of it. Please take a moment and think about how we b= ecome a more welcoming and friendly group, if we crave freedom and equality in software we need to crave freedom and equality in the rest of our group as = well (even socially). -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 15:55:44 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TDtQAR022129; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:55:33 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TDtOi6022120 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:55:24 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:55:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: foss-sthlm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?F=F6redrag_till_#4?= Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-359202832-1283089199=:9568" Content-ID: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:55:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:55:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-359202832-1283089199=:9568 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; FORMAT=flowed; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: Hejsan Jag vill bara samla upp de förslag som droppats hittils så att ni kan fylla på med fler eller komma med bifall eller protester eller vad ni känner behövs. Föredrag som föreslagits till möte #4 är: - snudda vid Linuxdriverutveckling (ev Daniel Stenberg) - reverse engineering (ev Daniel Stenberg) - migrering från MS Office till Openoffice (person saknas) - Android (Peter Svensson) - Maemo/Meego (person saknas) - Maintain - att leda open source projekt (ev Daniel Stenberg) - FFII berättar vad som händer på patentfronten (Jonas Bosson) Nu har jag inte skrivit mig själv på tre föredrag för att jag vill eller ämnar hålla alla dessa, utan mest för att notera att jag faktiskt kan en del på de ämnena och kan dra något om dem ifall inte någon annan kliver fram - vilket jag hellre ser hända. Jag lovar att hålla max ett föredrag på möte 4! ;-) De två föredrag som har "person saknas" är de som föreslagits men ingen har klivit fram och sagt sig kunna snacka om dem. Hjälp gärna till och ragga upp någon du vet är bra på ämnet som kan komma! Det är heller inte alls försent att föreslå helt nya och andra ämnen. Låt fantasin flöda bara och häv ur er! I övrigt vore det väl kanon om vi kunde få minst en kvinnlig talare, eller åtminstone att en av oss inte är en vit medelålders man. Annat praktiskt: Vi kommer att ha cirka 200 minuter på oss, och jag tycker föredrag i 30-40 minutersvarianten är riktigt bra. Räknat på en fikapaus också så är det cirka fyra föredrag vi får in. Möte #4 kommer (om inget oförutsätt inträffar) att hållas i Musiksalen i Norra Latin: http://www.stoccc.se/storre-lokaler/storre-lokaler/musiksalen.html med plats för 117 sittande. -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-359202832-1283089199=:9568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-359202832-1283089199=:9568-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 16:36:40 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TEaUVc015822; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:34 +0200 Received: from vps1.henriknordstrom.net (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [195.20.207.177]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TEaTqU015807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:29 +0200 Received: from henriknordstrom.net ([IPv6:2002:51d8:9fb7::1]) by vps1.henriknordstrom.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id o7TEaNT2024247; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:36:25 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henriknordstrom.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o7TEaNFY001862; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:23 +0200 Subject: Re: apt-get telefon From: Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= To: pontus.goffe@bredband.net, FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:23 +0200 Message-ID: <1283092583.29221.156.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-4.fc13) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [IPv6:2a02:750:7::d0a]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:36:25 +0000 (UTC) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se fre 2010-08-27 klockan 13:44 +0200 skrev Pontus Goffe: > Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N90= 0. K=F6rt N900 sedan n=E5gra m=E5nader. Passar en open source person som mig riktigt bra. K=F6pte nyligen en till till frugan. Mvh Henrik _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 16:37:33 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TEbTTu016156; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:29 +0200 Received: from vps1.henriknordstrom.net (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [195.20.207.177]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TEbRBO016151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:27 +0200 Received: from henriknordstrom.net ([IPv6:2002:51d8:9fb7::1]) by vps1.henriknordstrom.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id o7TEbNCQ032322 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:37:25 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henriknordstrom.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o7TEbNnF001913 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:23 +0200 Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=F6redrag?= till #4 From: Henrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nordstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:23 +0200 Message-ID: <1283092643.29221.157.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-4.fc13) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:37:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (vps1.henriknordstrom.net [IPv6:2a02:750:7::d0a]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:37:25 +0000 (UTC) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se s=F6n 2010-08-29 klockan 15:55 +0200 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > Hejsan > = > Jag vill bara samla upp de f=F6rslag som droppats hittils s=E5 att ni kan= fylla p=E5 = > med fler eller komma med bifall eller protester eller vad ni k=E4nner beh= =F6vs. > = > F=F6redrag som f=F6reslagits till m=F6te #4 =E4r: > = > - snudda vid Linuxdriverutveckling (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - reverse engineering (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - migrering fr=E5n MS Office till Openoffice (person saknas) > - Android (Peter Svensson) > - Maemo/Meego (person saknas) Meego talare: Andreas Jakl, http://fi.linkedin.com/in/andreasjakl > - Maintain - att leda open source projekt (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - FFII ber=E4ttar vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten (Jonas Bosson) Mvh Henrik _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 17:10:01 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TF9mYP006016; 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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.203.1 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1283092583.29221.156.camel@henriknordstrom.net> References: <1282756768.25297.66.camel@henriknordstrom.net> <1282909498.18172.41.camel@jvsstowspogo01.jeeves.top> <1283092583.29221.156.camel@henriknordstrom.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:09:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apt-get telefon From: Jens Odsvall To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:09:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:09:47 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej. En fr=E5gest=E4llning om det finns n=E5gon som vill tala om N900, p=E5 den Linuxtr=E4ff/SFD Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen ska ha den 18/9? Det finns en lucka i talarlistan, om det skulle passa. Vore mycket trevligt, om n=E5gon skulle vilja g=F6ra det. /Jens O. Den 29 augusti 2010 16:36 skrev Henrik Nordstr=F6m : > fre 2010-08-27 klockan 13:44 +0200 skrev Pontus Goffe: >> Meego skulle vara v=E4ldigt passande f=F6r jag har just blivit med en N9= 00. > > K=F6rt N900 sedan n=E5gra m=E5nader. Passar en open source person som mig > riktigt bra. > > K=F6pte nyligen en till till frugan. > > Mvh > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm > -- = Registered User # 259689 http://counter.li.org Jens Odsvall Ledamot Svenska Linuxf=F6reningen Ordf=F6rande M=E4nniskor=E4ttsn=E4tverket Svart M=E5ndag Personlig blogg: http://www.odsvall.se/blog/ _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Sun Aug 29 21:33:16 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TJWwAq024559; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:33:06 +0200 Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7TJWuR1024521 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:32:56 +0200 Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so2353687ywt.41 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:32:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Mr3czKA+4IzqX072ZHhMfNcfnbPyJ8wfYVkCCNKbLuI=; b=Q1kmoK6xPKsUYuUsr1fZCm9RGvK9YajB6xKbzkX9Y+ZY7Y/LoZAUtzezARcVscLWEg soIWq4diRtrdmQZnDPDS2mBoa2MgoXssgqolx3r5qDdQtbhGvvq7YPK4ztRZl6s7THTh fLfeTEQZ4rZ7DirPMIzVpFG9YhkNlgRXtgUyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AAcMzapIF+uBdYvFgeZAH/neekA3pxSdV5DFCA9An920VmraQWZIzbq8g4R6YhmkYD cmLOWlhOPFuyZ8C1D6aXM+714Gr02nFfHhC/IGXbVW+8UkKUCFDavMvpDGU6TdbMoDlg 6vZkFRxI8ol1djsMNdFgrKK5xxKkTzYesSKj4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.122.15 with SMTP id u15mr3552264anc.98.1283110366433; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.147.81 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:32:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Political correctness in FOSS From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Hedstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:33:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:32:57 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se In the thread with topic: "Re: apt-get telefon (N900)" the following statements was recently posted: >> Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend >> (the other-one than Eliza). > ... > I get that this was a joke. IMHO it is a bad one, due to the heteronormat= ive and > male hacker norm parts of it. I felt I had to respond, but created a new topic not to polute the other - because this really has no relevance to the other topic and perhaps there will be many more comments regarding the current topic. How hard is it to replace girlfriend with boyfriend in the first statement (works for both heterosexual females and homosexual males, the original statement works fine for the inverse group), without loosing the analogy of a life without purpose. For those who think life without a parter is just as good (or even better), the analogy falls short - but that does not mean it must be a heteronormative statement (yes, I have looked it up just to be sure of its implications). > Please take a moment and think about how we become > a more welcoming and friendly group, if we crave freedom and equality in > software we need to crave freedom and equality in the rest of our group a= s well > (even socially). How is this deduced from the initial statement which to me is mostly referring to the cult of Emacs and Perl than anything else. I like vim better than emacs, someone else might prefer python over perl. You don't see us complaining. Diversity, and exchanging experience from different situations (in life, at work, using or writing software, ...), is what makes it fun and keeps us evolving. How bad would it be if the initial statement had to be something like this to make everyone happy: "Yes, a life without and is like a life without a ." I think we can give each other more credit than that, and assume people will do the necessary substitutions without having to state it explicitly (at least I did). I get what Per was aiming at, we need to work on our people skills not to exclude any part of the society because you never know where true potential and ingenious can be found. But I fail to see how this was a relevant comment in the original thread (as little as this reply would have been). And sure, one could have substituted girlfriend with mate in the first place and the entire post would have fallen short. I'm pretty sure that had the original post been written by a female she would have used the term boyfriend instead (or love, as my girlfriend suggested) - or are you (i.e. Per) suggesting that she would not have written it at all? Just as one could easily read the original statement without finding anything unusual about it, apparently it could be read in a way that turned it into a heteronormative one. My only plea is for those who advocate increased tolerance in this mailing list to be just a tiny bit more open minded and try to consider if this actually _was_ politically incorrect or if it was just an "innocent remark" before replying. // Adde _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 08:12:16 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U6Bwfp009894; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:12:06 +0200 Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U6BuKm009861 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:11:56 +0200 Received: by iwn36 with SMTP id 36so6058602iwn.41 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:11:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:12:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:11:56 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se > - reverse engineering (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - migrering fr=E5n MS Office till Openoffice (person saknas) > - Android (Peter Svensson) > - Maemo/Meego (person saknas) > - Maintain - att leda open source projekt (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - FFII ber=E4ttar vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten (Jonas Bosson) +1 p=E5 allt (mjukvarupatent verkar mest intressant) _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 10:12:33 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U8CGlf027605; 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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:12:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:12:15 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On 08/29/2010 12:25 PM, Johan Henriksson wrote: > Jonas Bosson wrote: >> On 08/17/2010 10:44 PM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: >>> Vilket f=F6redrag vill DU h=E5lla f=F6r oss d=E5? >>> >> >> >> FFII kan ber=E4tta om vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten b=E5de h=E4r i= EU d=E4r vi >> =E4r aktiva att bevaka och p=E5verka och i USA d=E4r saker h=E4nder allt >> snabbare just nu. > +1, och r=E5kar du =E4ven veta mer om hur det st=E5r till med EU vs micro= soft > i konkurrensfr=E5gor f=E5r du g=E4rna ta upp det med! > > /Johan > Det =E4r v=E4l ganska utagerat i sig just nu? Det sker dock hela tiden p=E5tryckningar n=E4r det g=E4ller definitioner, = t.ex. av =F6ppna standarder som p=E5 m=E5nga s=E4tt =E4r relaterade till pa= tent = och de royalties som t.ex. MS har f=F6rhandlat sig till med EU-kom. Det =E4= r = =E4ven m=F6jligt att patentlagstiftning hamnar p=E5 ett mellanstatligt plan = med ACTA-avtalet. Politiken och lagstiftningen =E4r v=E4ldigt global h=E4r. = Det =E4r ibland sv=E5rt att f=E5 ihop det med klag=E5m=E5len fr=E5n bolagen= i USA om = att det =E4r tufft med alla ers=E4ttningskrav. :-) /jonas _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 10:38:04 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U8btam012870; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:37:58 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U8bs5b012861 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:37:54 +0200 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so3720136ewy.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:37:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2wA/0BjShptT5g6k1h67jKoqWOnrH0IbU0zSnuO2Mcg=; b=V3fhZafSRkSccbRj8h17uN0+6RqNLzeQ102aD5u20i+KOxLwQ3Ytu7TyJVbbVWFjRd aote4mTWJ0/tZOZpqIXPplVhpyj1XHzeKQ0MFgo9lPBwL9JyQcD4YHAECFtkcKbRgI9F 1bAemBWxl/vg+HvE5ows9y8HJpf96dGLyXA98= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZUG0SGY8ORIdi8EW0j08Xnep4F2sob+NVBgGwm9FjugH9zkHQnBCkBwZp8JZRMo9oA Hd4VTFrhwc4I6X4DNWS/w7bHFVA+7UdAhAx+zfsMzFQXVLibwEy/niJw5iEv7pNukQYi o5juh5oGpHetaEhMIj4WD2rMmgRRe1oUUBaA8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.11 with SMTP id u11mr4360210wbw.146.1283157472038; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:37:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:37:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:37:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:37:54 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Andreas Hedstr=F6m w= rote: > In the thread with topic: "Re: apt-get telefon (N900)" the following > statements was recently posted: > >>> Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend >>> (the other-one than Eliza). >> ... >> I get that this was a joke. IMHO it is a bad one, due to the heteronorma= tive and >> male hacker norm parts of it. > > I felt I had to respond, but created a new topic not to polute the > other - because this really has no relevance to the other topic and > perhaps there will be many more comments regarding the current topic. Good to create a separate thread, thanks. :-) > How hard is it to replace girlfriend with boyfriend in the first > statement (works for both heterosexual females and homosexual males, > the original statement works fine for the inverse group), without > loosing the analogy of a life without purpose. For those who think > life without a parter is just as good (or even better), the analogy > falls short - but that does not mean it must be a heteronormative > statement (yes, I have looked it up just to be sure of its > implications). But this is highly hypothetical, the original comment implies a certain gro= up consistency: heterosexual male nerds (the arch stereotype for geeks and ner= ds). >> Please take a moment and think about how we become >> a more welcoming and friendly group, if we crave freedom and equality in >> software we need to crave freedom and equality in the rest of our group = as well >> (even socially). > > How is this deduced from the initial statement which to me is mostly > referring to the cult of Emacs and Perl than anything else. I like vim > better than emacs, someone else might prefer python over perl. You > don't see us complaining. Diversity, and exchanging experience from > different situations (in life, at work, using or writing software, > ...), is what makes it fun and keeps us evolving. My comment has absolutely nothing to do with editors or programming languag= es. (Although flame wars about this is bad, I personally think that kind twinkly-eyed [sv. med glimten i =F6gat] comments and about it can be cute a= nd a way to introduce newbies to both nerd history and culture.) > How bad would it be if the initial statement had to be something like > this to make everyone happy: > "Yes, a life without and your favourite script language or invaluable software tool here> is > like a life without a anything else you find brings purpose to the existence of life>." Better of course, since it does not imply a certain group consistency! :-) > I think we can give each other more credit than that, and assume > people will do the necessary substitutions without having to state it > explicitly (at least I did). Well, I know lots of people, me included, that do interpret stereotypical comments and jokes exactly as such: stereotypical comments and jokes. I thi= nk that most people actually do this. > I get what Per was aiming at, we need to work on our people skills not > to exclude any part of the society because you never know where true > potential and ingenious can be found. But I fail to see how this was a > relevant comment in the original thread (as little as this reply would > have been). And sure, one could have substituted girlfriend with mate > in the first place and the entire post would have fallen short. I'm > pretty sure that had the original post been written by a female she > would have used the term boyfriend instead (or love, as my girlfriend > suggested) - or are you (i.e. Per) suggesting that she would not have > written it at all? > > Just as one could easily read the original statement without finding > anything unusual about it, apparently it could be read in a way that > turned it into a heteronormative one. My only plea is for those who > advocate increased tolerance in this mailing list to be just a tiny > bit more open minded and try to consider if this actually _was_ > politically incorrect or if it was just an "innocent remark" before > replying. Although I find it interesting and fascinating to discuss political correct= ness and how language affects the way we think and be, this was not my intention= and not what I want to discuss. Sadly it seems that it is never the correct tim= e to actually bring up such things as social behaviour within the group, and even less acceptable to question it. There is no such time as The Right Time(TM)= and it often hurt to change habitual behaviour (even for me). We should always = be vigilant about how we are and behave of course. How we are and behave shows people what the free software community is like= . It is the most basic form of public relations, we show how and what we are. Ev= en "innocent remarks" are a product of our group and its collective consciousn= ess. At the last foss-sthlm meetup there were about 6 women and 100 or so men. We must acknowledge that we consist of the white male (probably heterosexual, = but I have of course no clue about this) nerd stereotype (me included). This of c= ourse can make a serious impact on the tone and aim of the group. In my opinion people from all walks of life should feel welcome to join the group, we do not accomplish this by pursuing stereotypical white male heterosexual normative behaviour -- even on very small passages on the mail= ing list. I and a lot of people think that free software should be for everyone, that everybody should use it, and that everyone should be welcome to join. If we really want this to happen we must change something, we cannot just talk ab= out our wish and then do nothing and contiue as we have always done. One of the things suggested for making the group more welcoming to newcomer= s, for women in particular, at the last meetup; was to not express stereotypic= al white male heterosexual nerd comments and jokes. That is a very hands-on recommendation, which I think we should all follow. If we can't change, even in the simplest matter of one-line jokes, how can = we expect the world to switch to free software? -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 11:32:42 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U9WOES032519; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:31 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7U9WNHi032496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:23 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAECD4000B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id C08304000C; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B144000B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-326978562-456339016-1283160741=:10622" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:32:23 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---326978562-456339016-1283160741=:10622 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 10:37, Per Andersson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Andreas Hedström wrote: >> In the thread with topic: "Re: apt-get telefon (N900)" the following >> statements was recently posted: >> >>>> Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend >>>> (the other-one than Eliza). I don't like jokes that are degrading to women (that joke wasn't though). But the notion that we must never exclude or offend anyone gets absurd when driven too far. I'm getting the bad old "Won't someone _please_ think of the children!?" feeling here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(reasoning)#In_popular_media P.S. Here are some nerdy comics that are offensive and excluding, so that we can bring balance to The Force, and perhaps even have a laugh: http://www.geekherocomic.com/2008/09/03/not-humans/ http://www.geekherocomic.com/comics-highres/2009-01-30-boris.png /Joakim ---326978562-456339016-1283160741=:10622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm ---326978562-456339016-1283160741=:10622-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 12:19:17 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UAJ6Wl006887; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:19:10 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UAJ2NZ006788 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:19:05 +0200 Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so2052196wwj.5 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yS3/Wad2e89nIhglW+jFYTHVHHilj/sO9SXic51192s=; b=drfbAMsZtUzh6EMhbzKdlHxLV2GhhiR4moGRsHvJfqkAnSThKIu+1y98VmVVLvka5e +CcCnnTFVQHnOTSkcorccUxd1br8c3GOQZOBWV08hkfBPVYB1gwrx3LJAvNrfZN/r26B B7GPubY58S5aInLilYguu/83d2op8GR+MBOn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KGfl5zPydOgpVDjCV0iG0n18Bu1UcCMu9VrWMuQrDbNCuEyRQNS3gLwQ4YDGxRdbF7 OkYNb+UicbzUMu5NPiCpwLvogBxFLV1fqEeB4RT509EkR4T11rzkgOgmwPj6VVoIPeaG FE4mDjmuMLxMtpPgFEEbXVimdDMnppFYrfR+g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.174.69 with SMTP id w47mr4480565wel.25.1283163501090; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:18:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:19:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:19:06 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Joakim Signal wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 10:37, Per Andersson wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Andreas Hedstr=F6m >> wrote: >>> >>> In the thread with topic: "Re: apt-get telefon (N900)" the following >>> statements was recently posted: >>> >>>>> Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend >>>>> (the other-one than Eliza). > > I don't like jokes that are degrading to women (that joke wasn't though). No, it was not degrading, but as I said: it assumes that the audience consi= sts of the white male heterosexual nerd stereotype. > But the notion that we must never exclude or offend anyone gets absurd wh= en > driven too far. > > I'm getting the bad old "Won't someone _please_ think of the children!?" > feeling here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_interests_(reasoning)#In_popular_= media I think it is absurd to argue that we should have the ability to make offen= sive jokes or comments in a free software interest group. I believe that we are intelligent enough to invent clever and intelligent remarks that does not offend. If not, I fear for our continued survival... Right now it is a violent understatement that we are *heavily* skewed towar= ds the white male heterosexual nerd stereotype. If we wan't a group that is mo= re mixed, we have to change something. Why should our ways of communicate be excluded from change? How do you suggest we bring more people who aren't the arch stereotype to t= he group then? How do we involve and inspire non-tech-savvy users of free soft= ware to join? The only type of comments I hear are: "I don't want to change!", "= Can't we joke about anything?!" I hear little constructive discussion about how o= ur behaviour actually makes newcomers feel. > P.S. Here are some nerdy comics that are offensive and excluding, so that= we > can bring balance to The Force, and perhaps even have a laugh: > > http://www.geekherocomic.com/2008/09/03/not-humans/ > http://www.geekherocomic.com/comics-highres/2009-01-30-boris.png This is exactly the kind of arch stereotype image of the hacker/free software/geek/nerd movement that I think is bad for our group constitution, and it probably scares people away or make them laugh at us, = or both. I myself have issues with thinking that I don't know enough to partic= ipate in free software, probably because of this level of elite thinking within t= he community. If we want free software to be universal we have to treat the intended audi= ence as such: universal. -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 14:38:55 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UCcbRh007460; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:45 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UCcbTp007456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:37 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED96E4000C for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id E10984000E; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92344000C for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 12:18, Per Andersson wrote: > mixed, we have to change something. Why should our ways of communicate be > excluded from change? Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion suddenly in = english? This is a swedish FOSS group (but I doubt we would disallow non-sw= edes = from joining). The use of english here could be seen as excluding those = participants that prefer to communicate in swedish. While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem, it does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to = absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english here?= ). > This is exactly the kind of arch stereotype image of the > hacker/free software/geek/nerd movement that I think is bad for our group > constitution, and it probably scares people away or make them laugh at us= , or > both. Well, that web comic is by a nerd, for other nerds. What's the problem with that? All groups have internal jokes. The problem of getting more people of different social backgrounds to join = the = FOSS world is certainly a difficult one to solve without a big dollar budge= t. But that doesn't mean that those of us that already are in the FOSS world must be forbidden to poke fun at ourselves (because we can still have a friendly attitude towards persons that are not the norm in our group). > I myself have issues with thinking that I don't know enough to participate > in free software, probably because of this level of elite thinking within= the > community. I know for a fact that many of my peers in the community have more = knowledge/skills than me. And while that is not good for my ego, it doesn't = prevent me from increasing my knowledge/skills and having fun, which are my = fundamental motivations (and should be for everyone). And it can be a little scary as a beginner to join any type of community, n= ot = just those in the FOSS world. So I fail to see why we should stop the tradition of having a strong dedica= tion = to our craft, or stop being passionate about high quality software (which a= re = some of the things that people refer to with this "elite thinking" labeling= ). /Joakim _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 14:41:10 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UCf5wP008877; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:41:05 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UCf4qK008865 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:41:04 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3C0918D4D1 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:41:02 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Att vara politiskt korrekt =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p=E5_FOSS-listan?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:41:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:41:04 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej! En enda kommentar i texten. // Mem Den 2010-08-30 10:37, Per Andersson skrev: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Andreas Hedstr=F6m = wrote: >> In the thread with topic: "Re: apt-get telefon (N900)" the following >> statements was recently posted: >> >>>> Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend >>>> (the other-one than Eliza). >>> ... >>> I get that this was a joke. IMHO it is a bad one, due to the heteronorm= ative and >>> male hacker norm parts of it. >> I felt I had to respond, but created a new topic not to polute the >> other - because this really has no relevance to the other topic and >> perhaps there will be many more comments regarding the current topic. > = > Good to create a separate thread, thanks. :-) > = > = >> How hard is it to replace girlfriend with boyfriend in the first >> statement (works for both heterosexual females and homosexual males, >> the original statement works fine for the inverse group), without >> loosing the analogy of a life without purpose. For those who think >> life without a parter is just as good (or even better), the analogy >> falls short - but that does not mean it must be a heteronormative >> statement (yes, I have looked it up just to be sure of its >> implications). > = > But this is highly hypothetical, the original comment implies a certain g= roup > consistency: heterosexual male nerds (the arch stereotype for geeks and n= erds). Fel tolkning. Det hela var t=E4nkt som ett litet sk=E4mt om "AI-skriptet" med namnet Eliza, det hade inget med manliga n=F6rdar att g=F6ra. Eliza f= =F6r mig =E4r ett kvinnligt namn d=E4rav referensen till flickv=E4n och inte n= =E5got med neutralt ordval som partner. Finns det inte plast f=F6r lite "glimten i =F6gat" som du sj=E4lv skriver nedan kan jag lika v=E4l kliva av denna lista. >>> Please take a moment and think about how we become >>> a more welcoming and friendly group, if we crave freedom and equality in >>> software we need to crave freedom and equality in the rest of our group= as well >>> (even socially). >> How is this deduced from the initial statement which to me is mostly >> referring to the cult of Emacs and Perl than anything else. I like vim >> better than emacs, someone else might prefer python over perl. You >> don't see us complaining. Diversity, and exchanging experience from >> different situations (in life, at work, using or writing software, >> ...), is what makes it fun and keeps us evolving. > = > My comment has absolutely nothing to do with editors or programming langu= ages. > (Although flame wars about this is bad, I personally think that kind > twinkly-eyed [sv. med glimten i =F6gat] comments and about it can be cute= and a > way to introduce newbies to both nerd history and culture.) > = > = >> How bad would it be if the initial statement had to be something like >> this to make everyone happy: >> "Yes, a life without and > your favourite script language or invaluable software tool here> is >> like a life without a > anything else you find brings purpose to the existence of life>." > = > Better of course, since it does not imply a certain group consistency! :-) > = > = >> I think we can give each other more credit than that, and assume >> people will do the necessary substitutions without having to state it >> explicitly (at least I did). > = > Well, I know lots of people, me included, that do interpret stereotypical > comments and jokes exactly as such: stereotypical comments and jokes. I t= hink > that most people actually do this. > = > = >> I get what Per was aiming at, we need to work on our people skills not >> to exclude any part of the society because you never know where true >> potential and ingenious can be found. But I fail to see how this was a >> relevant comment in the original thread (as little as this reply would >> have been). And sure, one could have substituted girlfriend with mate >> in the first place and the entire post would have fallen short. I'm >> pretty sure that had the original post been written by a female she >> would have used the term boyfriend instead (or love, as my girlfriend >> suggested) - or are you (i.e. Per) suggesting that she would not have >> written it at all? >> >> Just as one could easily read the original statement without finding >> anything unusual about it, apparently it could be read in a way that >> turned it into a heteronormative one. My only plea is for those who >> advocate increased tolerance in this mailing list to be just a tiny >> bit more open minded and try to consider if this actually _was_ >> politically incorrect or if it was just an "innocent remark" before >> replying. > = > Although I find it interesting and fascinating to discuss political corre= ctness > and how language affects the way we think and be, this was not my intenti= on and > not what I want to discuss. Sadly it seems that it is never the correct t= ime to > actually bring up such things as social behaviour within the group, and e= ven > less acceptable to question it. There is no such time as The Right Time(T= M) and > it often hurt to change habitual behaviour (even for me). We should alway= s be > vigilant about how we are and behave of course. > = > How we are and behave shows people what the free software community is li= ke. It > is the most basic form of public relations, we show how and what we are. = Even > "innocent remarks" are a product of our group and its collective consciou= sness. > = > At the last foss-sthlm meetup there were about 6 women and 100 or so men.= We > must acknowledge that we consist of the white male (probably heterosexual= , but I > have of course no clue about this) nerd stereotype (me included). This of= course > can make a serious impact on the tone and aim of the group. > = > In my opinion people from all walks of life should feel welcome to join t= he > group, we do not accomplish this by pursuing stereotypical white male > heterosexual normative behaviour -- even on very small passages on the ma= iling > list. > = > I and a lot of people think that free software should be for everyone, th= at > everybody should use it, and that everyone should be welcome to join. If = we > really want this to happen we must change something, we cannot just talk = about > our wish and then do nothing and contiue as we have always done. > = > One of the things suggested for making the group more welcoming to newcom= ers, > for women in particular, at the last meetup; was to not express stereotyp= ical > white male heterosexual nerd comments and jokes. That is a very hands-on > recommendation, which I think we should all follow. > = > If we can't change, even in the simplest matter of one-line jokes, how ca= n we > expect the world to switch to free software? > = > = > -- > Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 15:02:56 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UD2lsS021645; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:02:51 +0200 Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UD2jZq021419 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:02:45 +0200 Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so8027864wyb.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:02:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=52YcyE24WmWJk1ZSx3fxGmn3s8G99wf2+NDTDyTDq6o=; b=YhBy19g9qmi10+XHvw8ubn26ZrA5fKrcmACz+ADcyrMJv+Ch8ZIqjT9iUmjjgEsCwL PvLfCeo+0jw0RynPIxSlYD3ZPtotQejs/LrkRpgb6nlCfGLimOvOtKscMEMdcL/Ig213 CE0vrIedIzE5bsxROZQKZyY39TMBYO1YiO2QI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pamgkzU/AlNKnVtYfiAYgz8QybFPrL89oZZABXjqFVQj8icw8hw41kJHkqa6dZ603C GZk1qpm86CQuAuSczPn38rkKKDqPIKg32PbkaPL1+PQsPh4dAh2bcrlwr9e6bxFa+SE9 O981fGwmyQsH/aOrcVphuVQFh/CwbqIFaw/I8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.52.135 with SMTP id e7mr4824654wec.98.1283173357667; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:02:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:02:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:02:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:02:45 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Joakim Signal wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 12:18, Per Andersson wrote: > >> mixed, we have to change something. Why should our ways of communicate be >> excluded from change? > > Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion suddenly = in > english? This is a swedish FOSS group (but I doubt we would disallow > non-swedes from joining). The use of english here could be seen as exclud= ing > those participants that prefer to communicate in swedish. > > While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem, = it > does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to > absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english > here?). Because the original comment that I commented on was in english maybe. I do= n't understand what writing in english has to do with political correctness, lo= ts of people wrote in english before me. There are lots of comments about "political correctness" leading to absurd situations. It is very simple to avoid: Don't be absurd! (Like you are now = for instance with linking english with political correctness.) F=F6r =F6vrigt skriver jag g=E4rna p=E5 svenska, spelar mig ingen roll. >> This is exactly the kind of arch stereotype image of the >> hacker/free software/geek/nerd movement that I think is bad for our group >> constitution, and it probably scares people away or make them laugh at u= s, >> or >> both. > > Well, that web comic is by a nerd, for other nerds. > What's the problem with that? All groups have internal jokes. I fail to see how "all groups" having internal jokes make any of them good (jokes or groups). Internal things are generally pretty bad if you want to recruit new blood. = It makes it hard to join because unwritten rules dictate behaviour and expectations. > The problem of getting more people of different social backgrounds to join > the FOSS world is certainly a difficult one to solve without a big dollar > budget. That is horse manure. Of course we don't need money to recruit new people, = we can all do it! Just invite people to start using free software, that would = not have made the step themselvel. Cost nothing, in terms of money, and is the = best way to recruit new contributors, by inviting them to use free software. > But that doesn't mean that those of us that already are in the FOSS world > must be forbidden to poke fun at ourselves (because we can still have a > friendly attitude towards persons that are not the norm in our group). No, who has spoken about forbidding anything? I am just discussing what I think should avoid being a part of this list, i= f it is intended to be a forum of outreach for the free software movement in Stockholm (which is what I think of it). >> I myself have issues with thinking that I don't know enough to participa= te >> in free software, probably because of this level of elite thinking within >> the >> community. > > I know for a fact that many of my peers in the community have more > knowledge/skills than me. And while that is not good for my ego, it doesn= 't > prevent me from increasing my knowledge/skills and having fun, which are = my > fundamental motivations (and should be for everyone). > > And it can be a little scary as a beginner to join any type of community, > not just those in the FOSS world. Which is why the free software community, which has a pretty bad reputation, should make an effort. Is that wrong? > So I fail to see why we should stop the tradition of having a strong > dedication to our craft, or stop being passionate about high quality > software (which are some of the things that people refer to with this "el= ite > thinking" labeling). Strong dedication to our craft has nothing to do with our ways of communica= ting. I don't follow you at all. -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 15:05:56 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UD5q9s024694; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:05:52 +0200 Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UD5oCq024657 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:05:50 +0200 Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so8031556wyb.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:05:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GJw7Tr0Rt5twKHLTTb1TMiY0C+zsM7itnKmbMhbQBVc=; b=wCJt2yKXvGgP0i2PdRVSK7BrEbQiSKoUmIBO7g+5xqJitXwWtn65pQqU6Lt5RXCTZl AZl18qgOCG2fmh1BYxIfgs0DK32SZtalHlzTlXwH+daqhviZm2G0fqhRRt9O/w/I9GPz Bg/tiQ05q7GbTiTwzSaSP8Mx3uggN70QzxRoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wkdZL54mKNK+gXcy0GWP2D0EBheAa8W+j/RO3D/oRQgTfedOVCdQy2V2l2cukTQztO kBTMFxTHfnQOqPkMqjk/xUOZ7xhI9n82hO2FSzzb+hvnQfWXGEMzySHBNJCh52cv4a5w lzlfawKeNXgVcg9WTr5q06hi2fJv0OSlRAshE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.157.134 with SMTP id b6mr4246978wbx.115.1283173533958; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:05:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:05:51 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Magnus Sandberg : > Finns det inte plast f=F6r lite "glimten i =F6gat" som du sj=E4lv skriver > nedan kan jag lika v=E4l kliva av denna lista. Om det inte finns plats att diskutera och kritisera oss sj=E4lva s=E5 komme= r vi ju aldrig att kunna utvecklas. D=E5 =E4r det v=E4l lika bra att l=E4gga ner al= ltihop? -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 15:10:11 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UDA1xG026158; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:10:04 +0200 Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UD9xlK026117 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:09:59 +0200 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so2591673gxk.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:09:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T/1o99yqEAJ2lSGQCUHdeROVduhF8W1Rh0NWPgjV3yU=; b=DWa4Tu4ALzAunMBzMGH5eF1988iPvx/cTODlIM2jxwc64pe4pyxbuo0Q6eS/nbfWhK RBpuBL+yWp+a+/QxUQEr3fiH251AUrR++JqFXOp7/f3JNPbqejn0bxCLa05FyouS03cD JQXVoyt9UlYmLhe9O57X0k8QXLT21Rt6UpdwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bynCuhg+mx8FIVqGKSqcmgmB7pqAdUEU4OhcL8wThVLxo6eUmegMXH3V4Yr7n383oY 43s+T3xCq/5eMsNWX3CAyz6sTYKyY+g9pK9GyPBJE+zzrcbTLkwf0t+B8EKBd7MkJBWu IcfJWVlO0mEeneEryG9lcSvnKJKVP/OGYmGUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.99.8 with SMTP id b8mr135245ybm.147.1283173698865; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.147.81 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:08:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:08:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Hedstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:10:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:10:00 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se > While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem, = it > does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to > absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english > here?). A good point, s=E5 jag som startade tr=E5den f=E5r v=E4l motivera det med a= tt de f=F6rsta tv=E5 inl=E4ggen gjordes p=E5 engelska (i en annan tr=E5d) och = det f=F6ljde d=E4rf=F6r logiskt att svara p=E5 engelska. Jag hade kunnat starta tr=E5den p=E5 svenska, men var lat och orkade inte skriva om det jag redan skrivit d=E5 jag ins=E5g att hela =E4mnet h=F6rde hemma i en egen tr=E5d. F=F6r att avvika fr=E5n =E4mnet kan det vara intressant att veta hur m=E5nga som inte f=F6rst=E5r svenska och d=E4rf=F6r f=F6redrar att engelska anv=E4n= ds. Verkar onekligen konstigt att joina en svensk lista d=E5, men helt OK om man helre svarar p=E5 det spr=E5k man k=E4nner mest tillf=F6rlit till - ett gott exempel p=E5 hur vi inte utesluter n=E5gon. I =F6vrigt struntar jag blankt i vad det =E4r f=F6r k=F6n, l=E4ggning, etnicitet, etc, som sitter bakom tangentbordet p=E5 ett inl=E4gg eller i en chat - det =E4r ju inneh=E5llet i det som den individen presenterar som =E4r intressant och som ska kritiseras. Folk som har problem med etikettregler (eller avsaknad av dessa, och nu generaliserar jag grovt!) =E4r de som inte kan skilja p=E5 kritik av sak och kritik av person. Jag hyser t.ex. inget agg mot Per =E4ven om jag inte h=E5ller med honom 100% i den h=E4r fr=E5gan. /A _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 15:40:58 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UDeh6I009622; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:40:50 +0200 Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UDegPw009469 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:40:42 +0200 Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so8074808wyb.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2XgXmHBPFz7D1xwa2JuqdJAfAOdmfhboYx0m1+F4DPw=; b=q62RQ1quOmRFgFszrc8RWNLcQUcIWnw/p+pxHCHB/GcQTq4X7KYOFqcSrKqp+eI0xG aQcobZlPczElboQYKsAYTeohtF6f/LPwEhhrqIX2uK5Dp3FchTwOQymF1y4iaR9rxw4F wx56TOvx3s4Jp9SkNk96EjXIu2nJDQJG7yAGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fxvXiKZPL128fP5g0OuBCWyDl+gJdPCqwJtBX/MIg5HZKqCoeLqhOOGhamAJUDTvKI 03NciUYv67zwszdAireKZ2BpDfxLifYda2ejt+4jz7y3IT4GcZyapAm8g+uJp6t0jiXh ypgcB/C077WZ7hDurQnkYNbmj+oPTAn/I2KY4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.212 with SMTP id y20mr4923366wbw.142.1283175634612; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:40:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:40:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:40:42 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Andreas Hedstr=F6m : >> While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem,= it >> does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to >> absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english >> here?). > > A good point, s=E5 jag som startade tr=E5den f=E5r v=E4l motivera det med= att > de f=F6rsta tv=E5 inl=E4ggen gjordes p=E5 engelska (i en annan tr=E5d) oc= h det > f=F6ljde d=E4rf=F6r logiskt att svara p=E5 engelska. > Jag hade kunnat starta tr=E5den p=E5 svenska, men var lat och orkade inte > skriva om det jag redan skrivit d=E5 jag ins=E5g att hela =E4mnet h=F6rde > hemma i en egen tr=E5d. Ja, huruvida vi skrev p=E5 engelska var helt irrelevent, dock var det ju ett tacksamt grepp att attackera mig med. Jag tycker att det visar hur absurt d= et kan bli n=E4r folk blint vevar mot n=E5got som uppfattas som "politisk korr= ekthet." > F=F6r att avvika fr=E5n =E4mnet kan det vara intressant att veta hur m=E5= nga > som inte f=F6rst=E5r svenska och d=E4rf=F6r f=F6redrar att engelska anv= =E4nds. > Verkar onekligen konstigt att joina en svensk lista d=E5, men helt OK om > man helre svarar p=E5 det spr=E5k man k=E4nner mest tillf=F6rlit till - e= tt > gott exempel p=E5 hur vi inte utesluter n=E5gon. > > I =F6vrigt struntar jag blankt i vad det =E4r f=F6r k=F6n, l=E4ggning, > etnicitet, etc, som sitter bakom tangentbordet p=E5 ett inl=E4gg eller i > en chat - det =E4r ju inneh=E5llet i det som den individen presenterar som > =E4r intressant och som ska kritiseras. S=E5klart har du r=E4tt, alla ska bem=F6tas med samma respekt. Det =E4r int= ressant dock att du som antagligen enda m=E4nniska inte har n=E5gra f=F6rdomar... G=E5ng p=E5 g=E5ng visar forskning att vi beter oss olika beroende p=E5 vem= vi tror avs=E4ndare eller mottagare =E4r. Detta g=E5r ju s=E5klart att f=F6r=E4ndra= , men d=E5 m=E5ste vi f=F6r=E4ndra v=E5rt beteende. > Folk som har problem med > etikettregler (eller avsaknad av dessa, och nu generaliserar jag > grovt!) =E4r de som inte kan skilja p=E5 kritik av sak och kritik av > person. Skulle etiketten h=E4r till exempel till=E5ta grovt kr=E4nkande p=E5hopp s= =E5 =E4r det knappast folk som har problem med dessa etikettregler som =E4r problemet. D= e kan mycket v=E4l kunna skilja p=E5 sak och person, men etikettreglerna =E4r pro= blemet och det =E4r de som kritiseras (tillsammans med de personer som uppr=E4tth=E5ll= er dem). Det =E4r s=E5klart alltid en balansg=E5ng vad som ska nedtecknas och inte. F=F6r =F6vrigt var ju ett tips fr=E5n f=F6redraget Women in Free Software o= ch diskussionen efter=E5t att ha en slags kort code of conduct f=F6r listan. > Jag hyser t.ex. inget agg mot Per =E4ven om jag inte h=E5ller med > honom 100% i den h=E4r fr=E5gan. Vilket =E4r en f=F6ruts=E4ttning f=F6r en bra diskussion. :-) -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:01:49 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UE1fM3024226; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:43 +0200 Received: from null.bsnet.se (nulladmin.bsnet.se [193.11.176.254]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UE1e5l024194 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:40 +0200 Received: by null.bsnet.se (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 00E722483AE; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on null.rsn.bth.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null.bsnet.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE7F248435 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pallid.bsnet.se (pallid.bsnet.se [193.11.185.39]) by null.bsnet.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660DA2483AE for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pallid.bsnet.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C05CA378001; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:29 +0200 From: Tommy Nevtelen To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Att vara politiskt =?iso-8859-1?Q?korr?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ekt_p=E5?= FOSS-listan Message-ID: <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 on null.bsnet.se X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:01:40 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:05:33PM +0200, Per Andersson wrote: > 2010/8/30 Magnus Sandberg : > > Finns det inte plast f=F6r lite "glimten i =F6gat" som du sj=E4lv skriv= er > > nedan kan jag lika v=E4l kliva av denna lista. > = > Om det inte finns plats att diskutera och kritisera oss sj=E4lva s=E5 kom= mer vi ju > aldrig att kunna utvecklas. D=E5 =E4r det v=E4l lika bra att l=E4gga ner = alltihop? Eller starta en foss-sthlm-politics-lista d=E4r diskussioner av denna karak= t=E4r kan f=F6ras. Jag tycker att Per kan ta tag i det eftersom han ser ut att brinna f=F6r fr=E5gorna. -- = Tommy Nevtelen = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:04:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UE4jKr028247; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:45 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UE4hl4028225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:43 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A1B4000C for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id 750784000E; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D404000C for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:44 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 15:02, Per Andersson wrote: > Because the original comment that I commented on was in english maybe. I = don't > understand what writing in english has to do with political correctness, = lots of > people wrote in english before me. Nobody requested english, so why such a switch? But maybe I just assumed incorrectly about that. > There are lots of comments about "political correctness" leading to absurd > situations. It is very simple to avoid: Don't be absurd! (Like you are no= w for > instance with linking english with political correctness.) Uh, yeah sure. They are always so easy to avoid, that's why there are never any absurd = situations in society. > I fail to see how "all groups" having internal jokes make any of them good > (jokes or groups). Because there would often be a lack of freedom, flexibility, efficiency and nice atmosphere inside groups if they can't have internal discussions, joke= s = and traditions. > Internal things are generally pretty bad if you want to recruit new blood= . It > makes it hard to join because unwritten rules dictate behaviour and > expectations. Strive to make the important ones official and write them down on a wiki or = similar? > That is horse manure. Of course we don't need money to recruit new people= , we > can all do it! Just invite people to start using free software, that woul= d not > have made the step themselvel. Cost nothing, in terms of money, and is th= e best > way to recruit new contributors, by inviting them to use free software. We can do it without money, but money would make it easier. It would mean more ability to do things like recruiting and evangelizing, = because it could be done by paid personnel. And more resources for travelin= g, = hardware infrastructure, literature, etc. Even such dirty things as lobbying politicians (in honest ways) to improve laws, education, IT industry strategies, etc to our favour =3D) > No, who has spoken about forbidding anything? Ok, perhaps not forbidding. But for our activities you seem inclined to sup= press things like that web comic I linked to. > Which is why the free software community, which has a pretty bad reputati= on, > should make an effort. Is that wrong? In my opinion the free software community has a fairly good reputation in = general. There are some valid criticisms about fanatics and poor treatment = of = women for example. But there is also a lot of invalid FUD and ignorance fro= m = outsiders. >> So I fail to see why we should stop the tradition of having a strong >> dedication to our craft, or stop being passionate about high quality >> software (which are some of the things that people refer to with this "e= lite >> thinking" labeling). > > Strong dedication to our craft has nothing to do with our ways of communi= cating. > I don't follow you at all. I was responding to your claims about how the outside world view our behavi= our, = I wasn't talking about which methods of communication our members employ. /Joakim _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:11:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEBiHS031817; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:11:45 +0200 Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEBgIG031800 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:11:42 +0200 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so4774825bwz.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ieBoLyVgYxwbwxBO1JCpHxTLTP1Asmewo1HqUPmvJJU=; b=kXXSt2tggYIpUumKZjbQwZ1wmAjAfCyCA+3v14IdSTzMDDIXMp6vO9Sy1AK8LUWqn+ ajBdVW9TDJ27Ox0U9b0lIbTkluNUOCAztlkH2yRzIRX845wzK060iyisBsQ8IWPmPa0Y Zx0jUHR2qrhdbvASx83StA7PAhRlVYd7NaTL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oHLMj/B1YbXe8MxgvWEd3sO/5Cw8wuZ4ir/uuz7JS9NvBaIP27xFZFknzIovy/P6Be rQh4Wm/X1NnU1fWqx/4RCcDoV/x+MuJiX5n+TZambIaemfCQSD4sTWH9ckipnD/+9iHc Vto4vfz6mwVr1rcEd4qBnL7ERVL92RtkYvCDg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.88 with SMTP id c24mr3300184bkc.172.1283177499919; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:11:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:11:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:11:42 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Tommy Nevtelen : > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:05:33PM +0200, Per Andersson wrote: >> 2010/8/30 Magnus Sandberg : >> > Finns det inte plast f=F6r lite "glimten i =F6gat" som du sj=E4lv skri= ver >> > nedan kan jag lika v=E4l kliva av denna lista. >> >> Om det inte finns plats att diskutera och kritisera oss sj=E4lva s=E5 ko= mmer vi ju >> aldrig att kunna utvecklas. D=E5 =E4r det v=E4l lika bra att l=E4gga ner= alltihop? > > Eller starta en foss-sthlm-politics-lista d=E4r diskussioner av denna kar= akt=E4r > kan f=F6ras. Jag tycker att Per kan ta tag i det eftersom han ser ut att > brinna f=F6r fr=E5gorna. Det =E4r s=E5 l=E5g trafik och ganska v=E4l isolerat till l=E4tt identifier= bara tr=E5dar i just dessa diskussioner (=E4ven om det blir n=E5gra mail n=E4r det h=E4nder= ), dessutom tycker jag att det h=E4r =E4r viktigt f=F6r hela gruppen och inte n=E5got s= =E4rintresse. G=F6ran Krampe talade ju dessutom kort f=F6rra m=F6tet om Smalltalks mailli= sta med flera tusen deltagare. De verkade inte ha n=E5gra som helst problem med s= =E5 m=E5nga som postade eller den h=F6ga trafikm=E4ngd som f=F6ljer av det. Varf=F6r sk= ulle vi d=E5, med ynka 200-talet medlemmar, beh=F6va separata listor f=F6r dessa diskussi= oner? -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:13:58 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEDrGF032502; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:54 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEDptv032490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:51 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E764000B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id 7403C4000C; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C3B4000B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-326978562-935539631-1283177629=:10622" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:13:52 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---326978562-935539631-1283177629=:10622 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 15:08, Andreas Hedström wrote: > För att avvika från ämnet kan det vara intressant att veta hur många > som inte förstår svenska och därför föredrar att engelska används. Ja, det kan ju vara bra att veta. Jag trodde först att det var något i den stilen som var anledningen till att vi plötsligt bytte till engelska förut :) /Joakim ---326978562-935539631-1283177629=:10622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm ---326978562-935539631-1283177629=:10622-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:28:50 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UESgas011621; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:28:44 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.35]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UESesO011609 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:28:41 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BF1C3237 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:28:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=sasl; bh= a/dvmm0EHcKH5JYZnw9yk0cVt+0=; b=EpISi6wbgcl75DvCFC9qAFrBu/uZ32pk ax/qZ/USdV0pxzFepgz679hOZg1r7MMX/il9uHeDIyNNg66jtY5iFuWM/DWfuG4s tqpHqyp1m1trcO+fn+vPqbUnBbCqfio4J1jXM2OgfRXXSyDxDcLK8O0l6H7QUTS8 KzXUn1+64Y0= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E73CC3236 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.8.36.139] (unknown [194.237.7.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D330BC3235 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Jeremiah Foster In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:28:33 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: DF4DAD48-B442-11DF-9080-A3DF016DD5F0-97416961!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:28:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:28:41 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Aug 30, 2010, at 14:38, Joakim Signal wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 12:18, Per Andersson wrote: > = >> mixed, we have to change something. Why should our ways of communicate be >> excluded from change? > = > Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion suddenly = in english? This is a swedish FOSS group (but I doubt we would disallow non= -swedes from joining). The use of english here could be seen as excluding t= hose participants that prefer to communicate in swedish. > = > While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem, = it > does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to= absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english here= ?). Sorry - that was probably my fault. :] Jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:31:43 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEVcpT013163; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:38 +0200 Received: from null.bsnet.se (nulladmin.bsnet.se [193.11.176.254]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEVbLZ013134 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:37 +0200 Received: by null.bsnet.se (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F3C2F2483AE; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on null.rsn.bth.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null.bsnet.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1242483D2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pallid.bsnet.se (pallid.bsnet.se [193.11.185.39]) by null.bsnet.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618372483AE for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pallid.bsnet.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 273D7378001; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 From: Tommy Nevtelen To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Att vara politiskt =?iso-8859-1?Q?korr?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ekt_p=E5?= FOSS-listan Message-ID: <20100830143128.GC32106@pallid.bsnet.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 on null.bsnet.se X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:11:39PM +0200, Per Andersson wrote: > 2010/8/30 Tommy Nevtelen : > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:05:33PM +0200, Per Andersson wrote: > >> 2010/8/30 Magnus Sandberg : > >> > Finns det inte plast f=F6r lite "glimten i =F6gat" som du sj=E4lv sk= river > >> > nedan kan jag lika v=E4l kliva av denna lista. > >> > >> Om det inte finns plats att diskutera och kritisera oss sj=E4lva s=E5 = kommer vi ju > >> aldrig att kunna utvecklas. D=E5 =E4r det v=E4l lika bra att l=E4gga n= er alltihop? > > > > Eller starta en foss-sthlm-politics-lista d=E4r diskussioner av denna k= arakt=E4r > > kan f=F6ras. Jag tycker att Per kan ta tag i det eftersom han ser ut att > > brinna f=F6r fr=E5gorna. > = > Det =E4r s=E5 l=E5g trafik och ganska v=E4l isolerat till l=E4tt identifi= erbara tr=E5dar i > just dessa diskussioner (=E4ven om det blir n=E5gra mail n=E4r det h=E4nd= er), dessutom > tycker jag att det h=E4r =E4r viktigt f=F6r hela gruppen och inte n=E5got= s=E4rintresse. Antar att du inte h=F6rde ironin i min r=F6st d=E4r.. eller var du seri=F6s= med att l=E4gga ner listan p=E5 grund av detta? Nej, jag antog v=E4l det :) = > G=F6ran Krampe talade ju dessutom kort f=F6rra m=F6tet om Smalltalks mail= lista med > flera tusen deltagare. De verkade inte ha n=E5gra som helst problem med s= =E5 m=E5nga > som postade eller den h=F6ga trafikm=E4ngd som f=F6ljer av det. Varf=F6r = skulle vi d=E5, > med ynka 200-talet medlemmar, beh=F6va separata listor f=F6r dessa diskus= sioner? Jag har ingen koll p=E5 den listan. -- = Tommy Nevtelen = _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:32:20 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEWFax013338; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:15 +0200 Received: from mail.cubicalstudios.se (mail.cubicalstudios.se [188.126.64.134]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEVSQM013076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 Received: from Keiko (89-253-84-150.customers.ownit.se [89.253.84.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: johangu) by mail.cubicalstudios.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F6C6B078D9 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:27:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "Johan Guttormsson" To: "'FOSS-folk i Stockholm'" References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> In-Reply-To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS-listan?= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:22 +0200 Organization: Cubical Studios Message-ID: <001801cb4850$07e2f8d0$17a8ea70$@guttormsson@cubicalstudios.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: ActITNR/ZhpjuCFnTX68UdyztyLpUgAANdoQ Content-Language: sv X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:31:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:32:14 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010-08-30 Per Andersson: > Det =E4r s=E5 l=E5g trafik och ganska v=E4l isolerat till l=E4tt identifi= erbara tr=E5dar i > just dessa diskussioner (=E4ven om det blir n=E5gra mail n=E4r det h=E4nd= er), dessutom > tycker jag att det h=E4r =E4r viktigt f=F6r hela gruppen och inte n=E5got s=E4rintresse. Jag =E4r inte =F6vertygad om att vad du tycker skulle vara representativt f= =F6r vad hela gruppen tycker, s=E5 s=E4rintresse - jo kanske. = Jag anser att det =E4r en icke-fr=E5ga som bl=E5sts upp till n=E4rmast l=F6jelsev=E4ckande proportioner i denna tr=E5d. Politisk korrekthet har en tendens att "ta =F6ver" och moderera in absurdum. = Det h=E4r m=E5ste vara f=F6rsta g=E5ngen jag ser n=E5gon, oavsett k=F6n och= sexuell l=E4ggning eller - som du s=E5 fint tidigare i tr=E5den lyckades f=E5 in - = hudf=E4rg (var nu det kom ifr=E5n), reagera p=E5 detta s=E4tt =F6ver ett sk=E4mt om "n=F6rd-stereotypen". = Jag =E4r =F6vertygad om att de flesta har tillr=E4cklig sj=E4lvdistans f=F6= r att kunna acceptera att ett s=E5dant dyker upp emellan=E5t. M=E5 dom vara "n=F6rdar",= eller "icke-n=F6rdar". > G=F6ran Krampe talade ju dessutom kort f=F6rra m=F6tet om Smalltalks mail= lista med > flera tusen deltagare. De verkade inte ha n=E5gra som helst problem med s= =E5 m=E5nga > som postade eller den h=F6ga trafikm=E4ngd som f=F6ljer av det. Varf=F6r = skulle vi d=E5, > med ynka 200-talet medlemmar, beh=F6va separata listor f=F6r dessa diskussioner? F=F6r att =F6verfl=F6diga diskussioner av mindre intresse och relevans, s= =E5som denna - som fortg=E5r dag efter dag, kan resultera i att folk avskriver sig fr=E5n listan. Just my two cents. -- Johan _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:34:43 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEYbC4014007; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:39 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.35]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEYaVx014004 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:36 +0200 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BDC32F6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=sasl; bh= c7UFBrAFFZOWkP5RKWKlJRehYcI=; b=Cl0hyzlXqJao4hwspWS7s/Iv6FOSC1QY 647XQKarMnDYOGuRL/nboIlOzvhtsAbEQNAunspZ/2JVHt5lge49ZEVpUi4f1WKd YpGOxBa29PHpAG/aJBPYjUn6RCpWXAs/tSOfAkjWo2SKVMKukRIGMfWgdvUUTWL6 V2ZVHfmYuiQ= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD619C32F5 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.8.36.139] (unknown [194.237.7.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26F68C32F2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Jeremiah Foster In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:31 +0200 Message-Id: <235C6AC6-C349-4862-82AF-7CD9872B3FF3@jeremiahfoster.com> References: To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: B4FEFFBE-B443-11DF-9080-A3DF016DD5F0-97416961!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:36 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Aug 30, 2010, at 15:08, Andreas Hedstr=F6m wrote: > F=F6r att avvika fr=E5n =E4mnet kan det vara intressant att veta hur m=E5= nga > som inte f=F6rst=E5r svenska och d=E4rf=F6r f=F6redrar att engelska anv= =E4nds. > Verkar onekligen konstigt att joina en svensk lista d=E5, men helt OK om > man helre svarar p=E5 det spr=E5k man k=E4nner mest tillf=F6rlit till - e= tt > gott exempel p=E5 hur vi inte utesluter n=E5gon. I write Swedish poorly. It is one thing to speak it, another thing to read = it, and again another thing to write it. I apologize for switching into Eng= lish and I'll try to avoid it but I know that nearly everyone here reads En= glish well so I often just take the lazy way out. :-) > I =F6vrigt struntar jag blankt i vad det =E4r f=F6r k=F6n, l=E4ggning, > etnicitet, etc, som sitter bakom tangentbordet p=E5 ett inl=E4gg eller i > en chat - det =E4r ju inneh=E5llet i det som den individen presenterar som > =E4r intressant och som ska kritiseras. Folk som har problem med > etikettregler (eller avsaknad av dessa, och nu generaliserar jag > grovt!) =E4r de som inte kan skilja p=E5 kritik av sak och kritik av > person. Jag hyser t.ex. inget agg mot Per =E4ven om jag inte h=E5ller med > honom 100% i den h=E4r fr=E5gan. As a non-Swede I have never felt anything but welcomed here on this list. Jeremiah _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:34:56 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEYp1k014105; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:51 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEYnEg014071 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:49 +0200 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so6937571wwb.11 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9z0kQHyb/Pa0HSL1Uct4WLgQBTX6DRViOmqEgcwwlgQ=; b=BBC+Fa5m6hgQJjsOgLOU0D3rpJLe0sF57hmjUOVi81aR5XCYShhNRjyVjLmlTpwfvo CJHz1MQhUsxNPkGwDWwaRbff3zYlY9u0bd8yyJN7+9nw+Pop5FSbBDUJVv9NAIfouaMW nv6gxl8NcWg5cUdZ7n4z9nJsMrzfmRiTE81fw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KDCq7Q5BH2q3wc6dKvOhLXz7mp7pZyZ4la/dpqUvVCNL204/GIn2zQxiKIUT/WY3ol k8g0cnEg0qxLrz4yCLkF0YWetE+4YZIlrEG/qNs6o9lqyXGp0O0pn3Oqhtt+XGqRiFpf 6ExGYt2Qr1cDiDEzzM/pkw8/9j4SXsxKU1J30= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.76 with SMTP id g12mr4939119wbv.82.1283178882027; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:34:49 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Joakim Signal wrote: >> There are lots of comments about "political correctness" leading to absu= rd >> situations. It is very simple to avoid: Don't be absurd! (Like you are n= ow >> for >> instance with linking english with political correctness.) > > Uh, yeah sure. > They are always so easy to avoid, that's why there are never any absurd > situations in society. Avoid does not mean that absurdity is abolished, just reduced. >> I fail to see how "all groups" having internal jokes make any of them go= od >> (jokes or groups). > > Because there would often be a lack of freedom, flexibility, efficiency a= nd > nice atmosphere inside groups if they can't have internal discussions, jo= kes > and traditions. True. Although heavy internal procuderus, jokes, and traditions makes it ha= rd for newcomers to merge with the group. A balance is necessary. >> Internal things are generally pretty bad if you want to recruit new bloo= d. >> It >> makes it hard to join because unwritten rules dictate behaviour and >> expectations. > > Strive to make the important ones official and write them down on a wiki = or > similar? As mentioned before, this was in fact suggested at the last meeting for this group. >> No, who has spoken about forbidding anything? > > Ok, perhaps not forbidding. But for our activities you seem inclined to > suppress > things like that web comic I linked to. Is it strange to request certain suppression of content? I don't think it w= ould be wise to post everything here, there is much content which is not suitabl= e, oppressing, offensive, etc. I believe that it must be possible to critize and discuss things. I don't m= ind posting the comics, I just think that they give people a bad image of what = the hacker/nerd/free software culture is, which was what I commented on. -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:38:34 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEcTdS016151; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:29 +0200 Received: from sv2.parabol.com (sv2.parabol.com [94.246.101.6]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEb8MK015517 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:08 +0200 Received: from [192.168.4.100] (h-109-228-137-22.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [109.228.137.22]) by sv2.parabol.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B2C952189C9D for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:01 +0200 From: Tobias Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Att vara politiskt korrekt =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p=E5_FOSS-listan?= References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:37:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:28 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On 08/30/2010 04:11 PM, Per Andersson wrote: > Det =E4r s=E5 l=E5g trafik och ganska v=E4l isolerat till l=E4tt identifi= erbara tr=E5dar i > just dessa diskussioner (=E4ven om det blir n=E5gra mail n=E4r det h=E4nd= er), dessutom > tycker jag att det h=E4r =E4r viktigt f=F6r hela gruppen och inte n=E5got= s=E4rintresse. F=F6r mig =E4r det h=F6gst irrelevant. Jag =E4r med i mailinglistan f=F6r a= tt f=E5 = information om FOSS, inte f=F6r att bli matad med F!-propaganda. Personligen tycker jag att vi skall jobba f=F6r att listan handlar om = gruppens k=E4rn=E4mne - FOSS. Diskussioner om j=E4mlikhet och vilka sk=E4mt= som = =E4r ok eller inte tycker jag man kan ta i andra maillistor eller medier. Samtidigt vore det intressant att h=F6ra n=E5gon kvinnas synpunkt f=F6r att= f=E5 = ett slut p=E5 detta, jag har v=E4ldigt sv=E5rt att t=E4nka mig att n=E5gon = skulle = ha tagit illa upp av de sk=E4mt som dragits i listan hittils. /T _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:44:53 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEidsR023294; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:44:43 +0200 Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEibLc023228 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:44:37 +0200 Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so8161639wyb.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=q9wmHkNKMls3V23UVFkGpjF8M4DXFJJuiSJnvas1Cjc=; b=dfkZAcHWHIrsUAQFNVKpd51wsGDsQ2UjmcmlnxtRnhDSmkZD1/sSuT8OJGbAq2cuxq owAEMAnJXWhqma76eMAjvSy0g1QgUSQJ5zV6ChzZ8ToVFH5Gfo5axU4CuyctdvLAx5ps P/XWhbxmfy3/zGJosToh4h6FWmDcUiPvh9c5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OMe4LkG459o7158KnC5LLvTxoSKo1qSGOWRhHJPGbCd1RpUAmjxNnYH1KvE2+TIVE6 9EucO3xiwWg9T6Tf/9EE8N3z5QxmFVdIIIB5Vv+KNdVop6ow0mahXwwDI6tLc7HBbtaT 4fqxjKAmkcZ4IVsZoA8mD/h7ZxiqOjHvoMY9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.129.84 with SMTP id n20mr5118675wbs.61.1283179469595; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:44:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <-1368461003395552791@unknownmsgid> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <-1368461003395552791@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:44:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:44:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Johan Guttormsson : > 2010-08-30 Per Andersson: >> Det =E4r s=E5 l=E5g trafik och ganska v=E4l isolerat till l=E4tt identif= ierbara > tr=E5dar i >> just dessa diskussioner (=E4ven om det blir n=E5gra mail n=E4r det h=E4n= der), > dessutom >> tycker jag att det h=E4r =E4r viktigt f=F6r hela gruppen och inte n=E5got > s=E4rintresse. > > Jag =E4r inte =F6vertygad om att vad du tycker skulle vara representativt= f=F6r > vad hela gruppen tycker, s=E5 s=E4rintresse - jo kanske. =C4r inte diskussioner som =E4r relaterade till hur friprogramvarur=F6relse= n =E4r relevanta f=F6r denna lista? Det tycker jag verkar konstigt med tanke p=E5 = vad som tidigare diskuterats och presenterats p=E5 m=F6tena. > Jag anser att det =E4r en icke-fr=E5ga som bl=E5sts upp till n=E4rmast > l=F6jelsev=E4ckande proportioner i denna tr=E5d. Politisk korrekthet har = en > tendens att "ta =F6ver" och moderera in absurdum. Jag h=E5ller helt med, det har helt och h=E5llet bl=E5sts upp till galaktis= ka proportioner. Total avsaknad av n=E5gon slags moral och etik tenderar ocks=E5 att rendera= grupper sm=E5 och f=E5 dem att stagnera i tillv=E4xt. > Det h=E4r m=E5ste vara f=F6rsta g=E5ngen jag ser n=E5gon, oavsett k=F6n o= ch sexuell > l=E4ggning eller - som du s=E5 fint tidigare i tr=E5den lyckades f=E5 in = - hudf=E4rg > (var nu det kom ifr=E5n), reagera p=E5 detta s=E4tt =F6ver ett sk=E4mt om > "n=F6rd-stereotypen". Ok? > Jag =E4r =F6vertygad om att de flesta har tillr=E4cklig sj=E4lvdistans f= =F6r att kunna > acceptera att ett s=E5dant dyker upp emellan=E5t. M=E5 dom vara "n=F6rdar= ", eller > "icke-n=F6rdar". Men det handlar inte om oss, det handlar om vad vi vill bli. Vill vi forts= =E4tta vara en klubb f=F6r inb=F6rdes beundran som det =E4r sv=E5rt att komma in i= eller vill vi inte det? Vill vi inte det s=E5 m=E5ste vi ju f=F6r=E4ndra n=E5got eller= hur, s=E5 att det kommer in m=E4nniskor som inte =E4r denna n=F6rdstereotyp. >> G=F6ran Krampe talade ju dessutom kort f=F6rra m=F6tet om Smalltalks mai= llista > med >> flera tusen deltagare. De verkade inte ha n=E5gra som helst problem med = s=E5 > m=E5nga >> som postade eller den h=F6ga trafikm=E4ngd som f=F6ljer av det. Varf=F6r= skulle vi > d=E5, >> med ynka 200-talet medlemmar, beh=F6va separata listor f=F6r dessa > diskussioner? > > F=F6r att =F6verfl=F6diga diskussioner av mindre intresse och relevans, s= =E5som > denna - som fortg=E5r dag efter dag, kan resultera i att folk avskriver s= ig > fr=E5n listan. Mindre intressant och relevant, f=F6r vem? =C5terigen, =E4r inte v=E5r r=F6= relse intressant att analysera och v=E5r r=F6relses framtid inte intressant att d= iskutera? -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 16:49:12 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEn6On025705; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:49:07 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UEn5CI025700 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:49:05 +0200 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so3991945ewy.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9f8rkZbbOOYcR0PZoCIO4slQrVpcW3MNps9axYX5zGQ=; b=xUH/XrOSp2wirW1nBmmMXncJjnU+URo6/vYe8JuWvPUavlobvQnNESUFjPwaNaMbPJ Ojk9rAdOoIPxZD8kclQNjnYLSWzYWw28sF4XSR2bfXx9sP7JqdsXLwhynO37F6s7/BZT Ur5yETFbqVAcCVTmiBigoHsjMdaZ13Skq4UiE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PKT0UG37SPdompSSaG6aDrgH1BeiirC0ZsINZypTVBCgmUW9o+FMGbzQub/gSgQrlX ZWyKfcOBWfdWiAcvFT1hN4VpYE6imJhSaiiB/9g7UNIJx3kpGqv5XLzgAUmx/J5HW152 Hd9ms3HKUBZt4AQTbMYEmKilvKYzvqyr0ZI9A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.9.3 with SMTP id 3mr5025392wes.66.1283179742379; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:49:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:49:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:49:05 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Tobias Andersson : > Personligen tycker jag att vi skall jobba f=F6r att listan handlar om gru= ppens > k=E4rn=E4mne - FOSS. Diskussioner om j=E4mlikhet och vilka sk=E4mt som = =E4r ok eller > inte tycker jag man kan ta i andra maillistor eller medier. S=E5 f=F6redraget Women in Free Software som var p=E5 f=F6rra m=F6tet skull= e inte f=E5tt vara med tycker du? > Samtidigt vore det intressant att h=F6ra n=E5gon kvinnas synpunkt f=F6r a= tt f=E5 ett > slut p=E5 detta, jag har v=E4ldigt sv=E5rt att t=E4nka mig att n=E5gon sk= ulle ha tagit > illa upp av de sk=E4mt som dragits i listan hittils. F=F6r det f=F6rsta kan du ju kolla i arkiven f=F6r att se f=F6rra stormen k= ring n=E5gon som kallade sin partner f=F6r "regeringen" och vad som sades d=E5. F=F6r det andra, jag har inte sagt att n=E5gon skulle tagit illa upp. Jag s= ade att det var ett d=E5ligt sk=E4mt f=F6r att det riktar sig till och f=F6rv=E4nta= s ha en viss publik. Vill vi att denna publik (det vill s=E4ga v=E5r grupp) ska f=F6r=E4= ndras och bli mer nyanserad =E4n att vara den stereotypa manliga n=F6rden s=E5 beh=F6ver = vi f=F6r=E4ndra n=E5got. -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 17:00:25 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF0Gmk031507; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:18 +0200 Received: from mail.cubicalstudios.se (mail.cubicalstudios.se [188.126.64.134]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF0F9M031478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:15 +0200 Received: from Keiko (89-253-84-150.customers.ownit.se [89.253.84.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: johangu) by mail.cubicalstudios.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5456CB07A64 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:56:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "Johan Guttormsson" To: "'FOSS-folk i Stockholm'" References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <-1368461003395552791@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS-listan?= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:12 +0200 Organization: Cubical Studios Message-ID: <001b01cb4854$0d664510$2832cf30$@guttormsson@cubicalstudios.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: ActIUXv+oiiYt8ibQfSjCiEJwkSrFAAAKmbw Content-Language: sv X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:15 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se > =C4r inte diskussioner som =E4r relaterade till hur friprogramvarur=F6rel= sen =E4r > relevanta f=F6r denna lista? Det tycker jag verkar konstigt med tanke p= =E5 vad som > tidigare diskuterats och presenterats p=E5 m=F6tena. Jag =E4r l=E5ngt ifr=E5n =F6vertygad om din vilja att inf=F6ra politisk kor= rekthet p=E5 listan alls =E4r relaterad till frimjukvarur=F6relsen mer =E4n just att mod= erera sagda lista och m=F6jligen f=F6rneka = > Men det handlar inte om oss, det handlar om vad vi vill bli. Vill vi forts=E4tta > vara en klubb f=F6r inb=F6rdes beundran som det =E4r sv=E5rt att komma in= i eller vill > vi inte det? Vill vi inte det s=E5 m=E5ste vi ju f=F6r=E4ndra n=E5got ell= er hur, s=E5 att > det kommer in m=E4nniskor som inte =E4r denna n=F6rdstereotyp. Vill vi bli en stel grupp d=E4r folk inte v=E5gar/f=E5r sk=E4mta lite, om n= =E5got som trots allt =E4r ganska djupt rotat i r=F6relsen som s=E5dan? =C4r det utvec= kling? Slappna av lite, folk som inte st=E4mmer in p=E5 stereotypen =E4r inte sk= =F6ra sm=E5 porslinsdockor som g=E5r s=F6nder av ett internsk=E4mt. D=E4remot kan ett, = av den typ som startade denna diskussion, v=E4cka nyfikenhet hos den oinsatte =F6v= er vad som egentligen menades och s=E5ledes leda till att denne googlar runt o= ch tar reda p=E5 vad det handlade om och d=E4rigenom l=E4r sig lite mer histor= ia om - i det h=E4r fallet - emacs vs. vi. = >> F=F6r att =F6verfl=F6diga diskussioner av mindre intresse och relevans, = s=E5som >> denna - som fortg=E5r dag efter dag, kan resultera i att folk avskriver = sig >> fr=E5n listan. > Mindre intressant och relevant, f=F6r vem? =C5terigen, =E4r inte v=E5r r= =F6relse > intressant att analysera och v=E5r r=F6relses framtid inte intressant att diskutera? _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 17:04:20 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF4FoR004476; 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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:04:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:04:14 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se S=E5g att mitt svar gick iv=E4g ofullst=E4ndigt, s=E5 h=E4r kommer komplett= ering av f=F6rsta stycket: Jag =E4r l=E5ngt ifr=E5n =F6vertygad om din vilja att inf=F6ra politisk kor= rekthet p=E5 listan alls =E4r relaterad till frimjukvarur=F6relsen mer =E4n just att mod= erera sagda lista och m=F6jligen f=F6rneka en del av den historia som bygts upp k= ring en s=E5n sak som emacs vs. vi, om man inte kan dra paralleller likt den som startade hela den h=E4r diskussionen. _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 17:05:21 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF5G6c005827; 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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.18.73 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:57:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Tobias Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:05:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:57:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:05:15 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Den 30 augusti 2010 16:49 skrev Per Andersson : > 2010/8/30 Tobias Andersson : >> Personligen tycker jag att vi skall jobba f=F6r att listan handlar om gr= uppens >> k=E4rn=E4mne - FOSS. Diskussioner om j=E4mlikhet och vilka sk=E4mt som = =E4r ok eller >> inte tycker jag man kan ta i andra maillistor eller medier. > > S=E5 f=F6redraget Women in Free Software som var p=E5 f=F6rra m=F6tet sku= lle inte f=E5tt > vara med tycker du? Personligen hade jag hellre s=E4tt ett f=F6redrag liknande dem andra. >> Samtidigt vore det intressant att h=F6ra n=E5gon kvinnas synpunkt f=F6r = att f=E5 ett >> slut p=E5 detta, jag har v=E4ldigt sv=E5rt att t=E4nka mig att n=E5gon s= kulle ha tagit >> illa upp av de sk=E4mt som dragits i listan hittils. > > F=F6r det f=F6rsta kan du ju kolla i arkiven f=F6r att se f=F6rra stormen= kring n=E5gon > som kallade sin partner f=F6r "regeringen" och vad som sades d=E5. Om n=E5gon kallar sin partner f=F6r regeringen =E4r det p=E5 ett personligt plan, jag ser inte varf=F6r det skulle vara ett problem i listan. Det =E4r upp till var och en hur l=E5ngt man kan g=E5 i en relation, det = =E4r ingenting jag t=E4nker diskutera med dig h=E4r. Personligen skulle jag uppskatta om min partner kallade mig regeringen. D=E5 vet hon vem som best=E4mmer, s=E5 att s=E4ga. ;-) > F=F6r det andra, jag har inte sagt att n=E5gon skulle tagit illa upp. Jag= sade att > det var ett d=E5ligt sk=E4mt f=F6r att det riktar sig till och f=F6rv=E4n= tas ha en viss > publik. Vill vi att denna publik (det vill s=E4ga v=E5r grupp) ska f=F6r= =E4ndras och bli > mer nyanserad =E4n att vara den stereotypa manliga n=F6rden s=E5 beh=F6ve= r vi f=F6r=E4ndra > n=E5got. Vill vi det? Jag tycker jag f=E5r ut mycket mer av gruppen med lite n=F6rdsk=E4mt, =E4n de feminstdiskussioner som har kommit till nu. /T _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 17:07:31 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF7QdL006714; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:27 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UF7P1L006711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:25 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A2C4000E for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id 1451040011; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756984000E for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-326978562-1757838602-1283180842=:10622" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:25 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---326978562-1757838602-1283180842=:10622 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 16:34, Per Andersson wrote: > Avoid does not mean that absurdity is abolished, just reduced. Fair enough. > As mentioned before, this was in fact suggested at the last meeting for this > group. Aha. I didn't attend that, and was thus unaware. > Is it strange to request certain suppression of content? No, you're in good company! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran#Deep_packet_inspection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield_Project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort Ok, det där var ett rejält slag under bältet från mig :) Code of Conduct är bra, men censur brukar vara otrevligt. /Joakim ---326978562-1757838602-1283180842=:10622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm ---326978562-1757838602-1283180842=:10622-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 17:24:52 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UFOi8t013264; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:24:47 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UFOhIE013261 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:24:43 +0200 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so4043391ewy.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=saUMnCJPHbT2c0DpWs1h9HpgOH9O39Mrx/h+HIeebpQ=; b=NvBLYEwj/qzuGIOyQmf73jT8DtBOh644Z/likEBd5XI+ZkLYrL9ZIy2yXWQ7z59DOo OAvxwyts8boR/5Qs5YFaL4qPTn8+ZuGTDt4VdpDRX32cS1/Ojd1NXMq5PcZLGwddFXSB Lq0sQDkADgV4gKu01+QBgxp/w1X6mb1FCNmNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ropioGGG3tctxtNlQt7iJjWR8vZZZ7W29GGjMzauMAdy11uAH6MVx2oap8zt3Ez+fW FOEk4UcD0qsbDVSYWF/iRTInMm2whCA8cCOAyOsvSufVviv/1oVH8S4t48/eXnglJC/V nkjvRy3iFCymnSAVHE0SpC+FhDSwocwC41NEY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.178.130 with SMTP id f2mr5045132wem.101.1283181880063; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.52.199 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:24:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:24:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Per Andersson To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:24:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:24:43 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Det =E4r intressant att folk hugger s=E5 h=E5rt p=E5 sm=E5 kommentarer om a= tt vi kanske ska f=F6rs=F6ka sl=E4ppa lite p=E5 v=E5rt stereotypa spr=E5k, eller =E5tmin= stone =E4gna det lite eftertanke. Jag ser inte vad det har med politisk korrekthet att g=F6ra att= vi f=F6rs=F6ker bli mindre stereotypa och interna. Jag gillar att diskutera me= n jag =E4r tr=F6tt p=E5 att beh=F6va f=F6rsvara mina =E5sikter och vad jag g=F6r hela = tiden mot ickekonstruktiva inl=E4gg. D=E5 detta har b=F6rjat handla mer om mig =E4n om vad jag kommenterade fr= =E5n b=F6rjan, hur vi kommunicerar inom gruppen p=E5verkar vad vi kommer att vara f=F6r gr= upp, slutar jag diskutera i denna tr=E5d i och med detta meddelande. 2010/8/30 Tobias Andersson : > Den 30 augusti 2010 16:49 skrev Per Andersson : >> 2010/8/30 Tobias Andersson : >>> Personligen tycker jag att vi skall jobba f=F6r att listan handlar om g= ruppens >>> k=E4rn=E4mne - FOSS. Diskussioner om j=E4mlikhet och vilka sk=E4mt som = =E4r ok eller >>> inte tycker jag man kan ta i andra maillistor eller medier. >> >> S=E5 f=F6redraget Women in Free Software som var p=E5 f=F6rra m=F6tet sk= ulle inte f=E5tt >> vara med tycker du? > > Personligen hade jag hellre s=E4tt ett f=F6redrag liknande dem andra. Det var ett av de b=E4sta tycker jag. >>> Samtidigt vore det intressant att h=F6ra n=E5gon kvinnas synpunkt f=F6r= att f=E5 ett >>> slut p=E5 detta, jag har v=E4ldigt sv=E5rt att t=E4nka mig att n=E5gon = skulle ha tagit >>> illa upp av de sk=E4mt som dragits i listan hittils. >> >> F=F6r det f=F6rsta kan du ju kolla i arkiven f=F6r att se f=F6rra storme= n kring n=E5gon >> som kallade sin partner f=F6r "regeringen" och vad som sades d=E5. > > Om n=E5gon kallar sin partner f=F6r regeringen =E4r det p=E5 ett personli= gt > plan, jag ser inte varf=F6r det skulle vara ett problem i listan. > Det =E4r upp till var och en hur l=E5ngt man kan g=E5 i en relation, det = =E4r > ingenting jag t=E4nker diskutera med dig h=E4r. =C4nd=E5 diskuterar du det, =E4ven indirekt med ditt sexistiska sk=E4mt ned= an. Vidare fattar jag inte varf=F6r folk ska posta intern jargong fr=E5n sina relation= er h=E4r, eller varf=F6r folk h=E4vdar och f=F6rsvarar r=E4tten att g=F6ra det. > Personligen skulle jag uppskatta om min partner kallade mig > regeringen. D=E5 vet hon vem som best=E4mmer, s=E5 att s=E4ga. ;-) Detta =E4r ett sexistiskt sk=E4mt och jag =E4r tr=F6tt p=E5 dem. I och med din kommentar ovan =E4r jag fett sugen p=E5 att sluta =E4ven h=E4= nga p=E5 listan =F6ver huvud taget. Jag skulle vilja veta varf=F6r jag ens ska vara kvar h=E4r d=E5 mina infall= svinklar p=E5 friprogramvarur=F6relsen inte verkar vara direkt popul=E4ra eller ens relev= anta att diskutera i detta forum. -- Per _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 18:18:58 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UGIhf4014172; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:18:49 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UG9LCC010670 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:09:21 +0200 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so7051961wwb.11 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qz8fDutmKZy9qn/V30WIKt1MDqnGi8zdestSHKLE1to=; b=it2/CfldFRD7ac4zz18tcGobXIV0+2Y4yTIuda05u9hh7paIWl7undAfmiYU7cOZPO MGBl//72cvMkTI3BCtHWW6Y87YfTsQG8WuOsgJ+7GnUVV29CeleW5UwNSjBkgCjiyGdf QbZyJemWdduYERaBz8A0LRkIwiO4ZC6KGA2Jk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=WUHx39Yv0FIkcH3f6zCSgBRiiZq4UqGR57rnb6gr1hZARngiA+2QTi2Dl5N9NZZdDa /T3Zd+aLCwhBC0gQEG14La+gYh6A64Ei9cBZqLSZeXx+x65sZDBTVlKuZrIBoY6/yhJF n8kjwrM3z8njODhH/njunArLQb3M2hPmTO1NY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.195 with SMTP id a3mr5262721wbj.58.1283184553138; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.16.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:09:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Att_vara_politiskt_korrekt_p=E5_FOSS=2Dlistan?= From: Glenn To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:18:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:09:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:18:41 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: glenn@repulsiv.se, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0694270017==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============0694270017== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367faf8b789aa4048f0caf4d --0016367faf8b789aa4048f0caf4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/8/30 Per Andersson > Det =E4r intressant att folk hugger s=E5 h=E5rt p=E5 sm=E5 kommentarer om= att vi > kanske > ska f=F6rs=F6ka sl=E4ppa lite p=E5 v=E5rt stereotypa spr=E5k, eller =E5tm= instone =E4gna det > lite > eftertanke. Det =E4r ju intressant att n=E5n h=F6gg s=E5 h=E5rt p=E5 det fr=E5n b=F6rja= n och skapade den h=E4r diskussionen, som om jag ska vara =E4rlig n=E4stan k=E4nns konstruerad. > > =C4nd=E5 diskuterar du det, =E4ven indirekt med ditt sexistiska sk=E4mt n= edan. > Vidare > fattar jag inte varf=F6r folk ska posta intern jargong fr=E5n sina relati= oner > h=E4r, > eller varf=F6r folk h=E4vdar och f=F6rsvarar r=E4tten att g=F6ra det. > Jag f=F6rst=E5r i min tur inte varf=F6r n=E5gon ifr=E5gas=E4tter r=E4tten a= tt g=F6ra det ? Varf=F6r g=F6ra ett problem av n=E5got som inte =E4r ett problem fr=E5n b= =F6rjan ? Jag skulle vilja veta varf=F6r jag ens ska vara kvar h=E4r d=E5 mina > infallsvinklar p=E5 > friprogramvarur=F6relsen inte verkar vara direkt popul=E4ra eller ens rel= evanta > att > diskutera i detta forum. > DEN fr=E5gan kan du bara svara p=E5 sj=E4lv. Du ska inte vara kvar av n=E5n annan anledning =E4n att du sj=E4lv trivs me= d det, och detsamma g=E4ller givetvis f=F6r alla andra ocks=E5. K=E4nner du att listan= tar mer =E4n den ger s=E5 =E4r det v=E4l bara att sluta f=F6lja den, har jag gjort masso= r med g=E5nger d=E5 jag lessnat p=E5 deltagare/=E5sikter/diskussioner i div olika listor o= ch forum, ingenting mer med det. Rent personligen =E4r jag r=E4tt tr=F6tt p=E5 l=E5ssasfeminismdiskussioner = i st=F6rsta allm=E4nhet, oavsett var dom utspelar sig. (D=E4remot =E4r det kul att se att det =E4r en massa folk som man sett p=E5= fidonet i forntiden som h=E4nger h=E4r hehe) /Glenn --0016367faf8b789aa4048f0caf4d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/8/30 Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
Det =E4r intressant att folk hugger s=E5 h=E5rt p=E5 sm=E5 kommentarer om a= tt vi kanske
ska f=F6rs=F6ka sl=E4ppa lite p=E5 v=E5rt stereotypa spr=E5k, eller =E5tmin= stone =E4gna det lite
eftertanke.

Det =E4r ju intressant att n=E5n h=F6gg s= =E5 h=E5rt p=E5 det fr=E5n b=F6rjan och skapade den h=E4r
diskussionen,= som om jag ska vara =E4rlig n=E4stan k=E4nns konstruerad.

=A0
=

=C4nd=E5 diskuterar du det, =E4ven indirekt med ditt sexistiska sk=E4= mt nedan. Vidare
fattar jag inte varf=F6r folk ska posta intern jargong fr=E5n sina relation= er h=E4r,
eller varf=F6r folk h=E4vdar och f=F6rsvarar r=E4tten att g=F6ra det.

Jag f=F6rst=E5r i min tur inte varf=F6r n=E5gon ifr=E5g= as=E4tter r=E4tten att g=F6ra det ?

Varf=F6r g=F6ra ett problem av n= =E5got som inte =E4r ett problem fr=E5n b=F6rjan ?


Jag skulle vilja veta varf=F6r jag ens ska vara kvar h=E4r d=E5 mina infall= svinklar p=E5
friprogramvarur=F6relsen inte verkar vara direkt popul=E4ra eller ens relev= anta att
diskutera i detta forum.

DEN fr=E5gan kan du bara = svara p=E5 sj=E4lv.

Du ska inte vara kvar av n=E5n annan anledning = =E4n att du sj=E4lv trivs med det, och
detsamma g=E4ller givetvis f=F6r = alla andra ocks=E5. K=E4nner du att listan tar mer =E4n
den ger s=E5 =E4r det v=E4l bara att sluta f=F6lja den, har jag gjort masso= r med g=E5nger
d=E5 jag lessnat p=E5 deltagare/=E5sikter/diskussioner i= div olika listor och forum,
ingenting mer med det.


Rent pers= onligen =E4r jag r=E4tt tr=F6tt p=E5 l=E5ssasfeminismdiskussioner i st=F6rs= ta
allm=E4nhet, oavsett var dom utspelar sig.


(D=E4remot =E4r det k= ul att se att det =E4r en massa folk som man sett p=E5 fidonet i
fornti= den som h=E4nger h=E4r hehe)

/Glenn
--0016367faf8b789aa4048f0caf4d-- --===============0694270017== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============0694270017==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 18:47:11 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UGl2Ie009368; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:47:05 +0200 Received: from smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (smtprelay-h21.telenor.se [195.54.99.196]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UGl2Wd009279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:47:02 +0200 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-h21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37530145FB for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:46:54 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [213.114.82.152] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcvAGJ9e0zVclKYPGdsb2JhbACBPIQ8mlQBAQEBNb05hTcEigk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,293,1280700000"; d="scan'208";a="123914314" Received: from c-985272d5.37-2-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [213.114.82.152]) ([213.114.82.152]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2010 18:46:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4C7BE07D.8030500@orski.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:46:53 +0200 From: Monika Orski User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?F=F6redrag_till_=234?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:47:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:47:02 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Daniel Stenberg: > F=F6redrag som f=F6reslagits till m=F6te #4 =E4r: > = > - snudda vid Linuxdriverutveckling (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - reverse engineering (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - migrering fr=E5n MS Office till Openoffice (person saknas) > - Android (Peter Svensson) > - Maemo/Meego (person saknas) > - Maintain - att leda open source projekt (ev Daniel Stenberg) > - FFII ber=E4ttar vad som h=E4nder p=E5 patentfronten (Jonas Bosson) L=E5ter intressant alltihop. Om jag skulle v=E4lja ett av de f=F6redrag du = kan = h=E5lla, Daniel, blir det Maintain. V=E4nliga h=E4lsningar Monika -- = Monika Orski monika@orski.se Boken om =F6ppen k=E4llkod: tel 0733-742773 www.obok.se www.orski.se _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 19:27:44 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHRUYL004160; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:36 +0200 Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHRTvw004154 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:29 +0200 Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so4469613fxm.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tHTpmOncOPxgv+dWAT+kizMQjnJeXMEW+DEQcMj1cPE=; b=sLIH/fOOYHP7p+Z3qV7RTem93tX8DNyzx8eD3YwVz4j3L8Vt/aS/+RHCchatPGmxN/ jwUaFRsf38eLhpk2rRTQzR1WQcd8HauHKFmLtsTEyUGJGAGSrsQ0wZEnI0Rrd2deZyMu J9lHgCBV58+vKujFWmhAt0/M8zi8s0BCr1p7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gA+R1QYNgWlTnEdOocsF9RBSkD/2xVDKr++RV3VqnOZXs2hHL5HC9aCyO+4DAMgPe2 J7mscIA1l67uyMksOvoO3l0D6ONgg+xCe0UXQD5t2bq9f5NQccu0D0rJv9svUzD8yiSE DDeOKswhLfJZ4KDZAZtV3y4Nq0/IGuh7RnaYI= Received: by 10.223.103.67 with SMTP id j3mr4166660fao.99.1283189240955; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.17.60] (office.alatest.se [82.99.0.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15sm3465251fai.40.2010.08.30.10.27.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:16 +0200 From: Joakim Lundborg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100821 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Hackeretos och inkluderande =?ISO-8859-1?Q?spr=E5kbruk?= References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:29 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Per g=F6r ett grymt jobb som lyckas h=E5lla sig till en vettig samtalston = i en tr=E5kig, men tyv=E4rr mycket viktig diskussion, och jag f=F6rst=E5r = verkligen att han blir tr=F6tt. Tr=E5den =E4r ett bevis p=E5 att allting = faktiskt h=E4nger ihop, om det inte vore s=E5 att =E4ven dom till synes = oskyldiga sk=E4mten var en del av ett st=F6rre sammanhang av exkluderande = jargong s=E5 skulle ingen k=E4nna sig tvungen att f=F6rsvara dom p=E5 det h= =E4r = tarvliga s=E4ttet. Det pejorativa begreppet "politiskt korrekt" =E4r ett r=E4tt s=E5 d=E5ligt = ord = att anv=E4nda om man verkligen vill diskutera den h=E4r fr=E5gan. Jag tycke= r = hellre att man b=F6r tala om inkluderande spr=E5kbruk. Att bete sig s=E5 at= t = alla k=E4nner sig v=E4lkomna helt enkelt. Ett inkluderande tonl=E4ge =E4r en f=F6ruts=E4ttning f=F6r att vi ska kunna= vara = ett brett och =F6ppet forum f=F6r m=E4nniskor som h=E5ller p=E5 med FOSS. I= bland = m=E5ste vi t=E4nka efter tv=E5 g=E5nger p=E5 hur vi beter oss f=F6r att kun= na vara = inkluderande. D=E4rf=F6r beh=F6vs ibland artiga p=E5pekanden och manande om = eftertanke. Det skulle inte beh=F6va vara mer =E4n s=E5. Man m=E5ste inte = f=F6rsvara sin r=E4tt att tala utan att t=E4nka. Det borde vara r=E4tt uppe= nbart = om man tittar p=E5 dels k=F6nsf=F6rdelningen, dels diskussionen h=E4r att v= i har = all anledning att t=E4nka efter. Men vi kan best=E4mma vilket etos vi har, vilka v=E4rden vi f=F6rmedlar, hu= r = det =E4r att vara r=F6relsen f=F6r fri och =F6ppen programvara. F=F6r mig p= r=E4glas = hackeretos av =F6ppenhet, vilja att dela med sig, en stolthet =F6ver teknis= k = excellens och en str=E4van att f=F6rb=E4ttra v=E4rlden (om s=E5 bara en v= =E4ldigt = liten och n=F6rdig bit av den =3D) ). Personligen tycker jag att vi b=F6r = anstr=E4nga oss f=F6r att bete oss p=E5 ett s=E4tt som utstr=E5lar dom v=E4= rderingarna. S=E5 en b=E4ttre fr=E5ga att diskutera =E4r kanske, vilka v=E4rderingar vil= l vi = utstr=E5la, och hur kan vi b=E4st g=F6ra det? Ovan =E4r mitt f=F6rslag, vad= tycker ni? -- J _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 19:27:48 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHRiax004259; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:44 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHRgDa004252 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_F=F6redrag_till_#4?= In-Reply-To: <4C7BE07D.8030500@orski.se> Message-ID: References: <4C7BE07D.8030500@orski.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-2068883021-1283189262=:19589" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:43 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-2068883021-1283189262=:19589 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Monika Orski wrote: > Låter intressant alltihop. Om jag skulle välja ett av de föredrag du kan > hålla, Daniel, blir det Maintain. Tack för inputen. Just nu jobbar jag vidare med 4 potentiella föredrag: Android, Meego, Patent och Linuxdrivers som alla har ett namn på sig. Jag försöker bolla med föreläsarna och se hur lång tid de behöver på sig, och så får vi se om jag får in något snack till mig själv eller inte[*]. Jag ska också finslipa den praktiska planeringen med .SE också inom kort, innan vi kan spika tider och längder exakt - så jag håller allting lite öppet fortfarande. [*] = jag kommer oavsett vad som händer på foss-sthlm-mötet #4 hålla ett föredrag dagen efter - den 27:e oktober - på själva Internetdagarna- konferensen som ju kommer att pågå precis bredvid Norra Latin. Där kommer jag för övrigt att vara i sällskap med Björn Stenberg och Daniel Melin som också kommer att snacka foss: http://www.internetdagarna.se/program/seminarium/24 -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-2068883021-1283189262=:19589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-2068883021-1283189262=:19589-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 19:31:23 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHUnYc006130; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:30:49 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHUV4D005767 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:30:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:30:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_Hackeretos_och_inkluderande_spr=E5kbruk?= In-Reply-To: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1129329158-1636229917-1283189431=:19589" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:30:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:30:31 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1129329158-1636229917-1283189431=:19589 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Joakim Lundborg wrote: > Ett inkluderande tonläge är en förutsättning för att vi ska kunna vara ett > brett och öppet forum för människor som håller på med FOSS. Ibland måste vi > tänka efter två gånger på hur vi beter oss för att kunna vara inkluderande. > Därför behövs ibland artiga påpekanden och manande om eftertanke. Väl talat Joakim. Jag hade ett mycket sämre formulerat mail på gång i samma anda som jag nu skrotat med glädje. Tack. -- / daniel.haxx.se --1129329158-1636229917-1283189431=:19589 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --1129329158-1636229917-1283189431=:19589-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 19:35:08 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHYxOA008187; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:35:00 +0200 Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UHYvb3008163 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:34:57 +0200 Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so4183070ewy.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ec18FcOqpwiZ3BoYIeLC7JbCH12vDm3dTgYSwSDTSV0=; b=qiqqZgL0CxCgE6SCyxfMVk0iRbJI4wQdDfmKzvi5eyXilhhvRle9Q/SLQmW082TGUB pULx8l7aSXf5bWVLOQTgUpUyb32i11NAsqtwpsAOtn8EJZRz8oWHxQpCu8Uhte5BoTjA DyL0dmsr+CuBEmQMhIRZjAuF6R27zpG6WuqLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oOI2CrmDbF7JR1FLd6n4YWQftoP0npPSN1sjyjHmgl/FzxqHyxBUe/t4fxMVZDnXLo T7w+xWXKXOA3iwVRI1FwngVTnSwl0OosgyT/R+HWLBYOUY2G+u8G2kuvVW/S6udJAWIl 1XN9eVCNxYpRgpSTScrKWHbgly6tV+vXY5u0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.5.5 with SMTP id 5mr8908027ebt.72.1283189693642; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.114.76 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.114.76 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Hackeretos_och_inkluderande_spr=E5kbruk?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aapeli_Syrj=E4nen?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:35:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:34:57 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1520971276==" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se --===============1520971276== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be650de787b048f0de190 --0015174be650de787b048f0de190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mjo, jag hade dock aldrig v=E4ntat mig att se p=E5hopp h=E4r f=F6r att n=E5= n anv=E4nder emacs.. :) S=E5nt kunde man g=E4rna skippa i diskussionerna helt och h=E5ll= et enligt mig! On Aug 30, 2010 7:27 p.m., "Joakim Lundborg" wrote: Per g=F6r ett grymt jobb som lyckas h=E5lla sig till en vettig samtalston = i en tr=E5kig, men tyv=E4rr mycket viktig diskussion, och jag f=F6rst=E5r verkli= gen att han blir tr=F6tt. Tr=E5den =E4r ett bevis p=E5 att allting faktiskt h=E4nge= r ihop, om det inte vore s=E5 att =E4ven dom till synes oskyldiga sk=E4mten var en del= av ett st=F6rre sammanhang av exkluderande jargong s=E5 skulle ingen k=E4nna sig t= vungen att f=F6rsvara dom p=E5 det h=E4r tarvliga s=E4ttet. Det pejorativa begreppet "politiskt korrekt" =E4r ett r=E4tt s=E5 d=E5ligt = ord att anv=E4nda om man verkligen vill diskutera den h=E4r fr=E5gan. Jag tycker he= llre att man b=F6r tala om inkluderande spr=E5kbruk. Att bete sig s=E5 att alla = k=E4nner sig v=E4lkomna helt enkelt. Ett inkluderande tonl=E4ge =E4r en f=F6ruts=E4ttning f=F6r att vi ska kunna= vara ett brett och =F6ppet forum f=F6r m=E4nniskor som h=E5ller p=E5 med FOSS. Iblan= d m=E5ste vi t=E4nka efter tv=E5 g=E5nger p=E5 hur vi beter oss f=F6r att kunna vara ink= luderande. D=E4rf=F6r beh=F6vs ibland artiga p=E5pekanden och manande om eftertanke. D= et skulle inte beh=F6va vara mer =E4n s=E5. Man m=E5ste inte f=F6rsvara sin r=E4tt at= t tala utan att t=E4nka. Det borde vara r=E4tt uppenbart om man tittar p=E5 dels k=F6nsf=F6rdelningen, dels diskussionen h=E4r att vi har all anledning att = t=E4nka efter. Men vi kan best=E4mma vilket etos vi har, vilka v=E4rden vi f=F6rmedlar, hu= r det =E4r att vara r=F6relsen f=F6r fri och =F6ppen programvara. F=F6r mig pr=E4= glas hackeretos av =F6ppenhet, vilja att dela med sig, en stolthet =F6ver teknis= k excellens och en str=E4van att f=F6rb=E4ttra v=E4rlden (om s=E5 bara en v= =E4ldigt liten och n=F6rdig bit av den =3D) ). Personligen tycker jag att vi b=F6r anstr= =E4nga oss f=F6r att bete oss p=E5 ett s=E4tt som utstr=E5lar dom v=E4rderingarna. S=E5 en b=E4ttre fr=E5ga att diskutera =E4r kanske, vilka v=E4rderingar vil= l vi utstr=E5la, och hur kan vi b=E4st g=F6ra det? Ovan =E4r mitt f=F6rslag, vad= tycker ni? -- J _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --0015174be650de787b048f0de190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mjo, jag hade dock aldrig v=E4ntat mig att se p=E5hopp h=E4r f=F6r att n= =E5n anv=E4nder emacs.. :) S=E5nt kunde man g=E4rna skippa i diskussionerna= helt och h=E5llet enligt mig!

On Aug 30, 2010 7:27 p.m., "Joakim Lundbo= rg" <joakim.lundborg@g= mail.com> wrote:

=A0Per g=F6r ett grymt jobb som lyckas h=E5l= la sig till en vettig samtalston i en tr=E5kig, men tyv=E4rr mycket viktig = diskussion, och jag f=F6rst=E5r verkligen att han blir tr=F6tt. Tr=E5den = =E4r ett bevis p=E5 att allting faktiskt h=E4nger ihop, om det inte vore s= =E5 att =E4ven dom till synes oskyldiga sk=E4mten var en del av ett st=F6rr= e sammanhang av exkluderande jargong s=E5 skulle ingen k=E4nna sig tvungen = att f=F6rsvara dom p=E5 det h=E4r tarvliga s=E4ttet.

Det pejorativa begreppet "politiskt korrekt" =E4r ett r=E4tt s=E5= d=E5ligt ord att anv=E4nda om man verkligen vill diskutera den h=E4r fr=E5= gan. Jag tycker hellre att man b=F6r tala om inkluderande spr=E5kbruk. Att = bete sig s=E5 att alla k=E4nner sig v=E4lkomna helt enkelt.

Ett inkluderande tonl=E4ge =E4r en f=F6ruts=E4ttning f=F6r att vi ska kunna= vara ett brett och =F6ppet forum f=F6r m=E4nniskor som h=E5ller p=E5 med F= OSS. Ibland m=E5ste vi t=E4nka efter tv=E5 g=E5nger p=E5 hur vi beter oss f= =F6r att kunna vara inkluderande. D=E4rf=F6r beh=F6vs ibland artiga p=E5pek= anden och manande om eftertanke. Det skulle inte beh=F6va vara mer =E4n s= =E5. Man m=E5ste inte f=F6rsvara sin r=E4tt att tala utan att t=E4nka. Det = borde vara r=E4tt uppenbart om man tittar p=E5 dels k=F6nsf=F6rdelningen, d= els diskussionen h=E4r att vi har all anledning att t=E4nka efter.

Men vi kan best=E4mma vilket etos vi har, vilka v=E4rden vi f=F6rmedlar, hu= r det =E4r att vara r=F6relsen f=F6r fri och =F6ppen programvara. F=F6r mig= pr=E4glas hackeretos av =F6ppenhet, vilja att dela med sig, en stolthet = =F6ver teknisk excellens och en str=E4van att f=F6rb=E4ttra v=E4rlden (om s= =E5 bara en v=E4ldigt liten och n=F6rdig bit av den =3D) ). Personligen tyc= ker jag att vi b=F6r anstr=E4nga oss f=F6r att bete oss p=E5 ett s=E4tt som= utstr=E5lar dom v=E4rderingarna.

S=E5 en b=E4ttre fr=E5ga att diskutera =E4r kanske, vilka v=E4rderingar vil= l vi utstr=E5la, och hur kan vi b=E4st g=F6ra det? Ovan =E4r mitt f=F6rslag= , vad tycker ni?

-- =A0J
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--0015174be650de787b048f0de190-- --===============1520971276== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm --===============1520971276==-- From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 20:07:46 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UI7cJe004883; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:40 +0200 Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UI7b7c004875 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:37 +0200 Received: by eyx24 with SMTP id 24so4374313eyx.41 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:07:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.160.15 with SMTP id t15mr5240158wek.75.1283191653511; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.25 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.227.236.110] In-Reply-To: References: <4C7BE07D.8030500@orski.se> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_F=F6redrag_till_=234?= From: Michael Boman To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se 2010/8/30 Daniel Stenberg : > [*] =3D jag kommer oavsett vad som h=E4nder p=E5 foss-sthlm-m=F6tet #4 h= =E5lla ett > f=F6redrag dagen efter - den 27:e oktober - p=E5 sj=E4lva Internetdagarna- > konferensen som ju kommer att p=E5g=E5 precis bredvid Norra Latin. D=E4r = kommer > jag f=F6r =F6vrigt att vara i s=E4llskap med Bj=F6rn Stenberg och Daniel = Melin som > ocks=E5 kommer att snacka foss: > http://www.internetdagarna.se/program/seminarium/24 Tja, d=E5 kanske jag skulle passa p=E5 att self-promota mitt bidrag p=E5 Internetdagarna om SSL-s=E4kerhet (http://www.internetdagarna.se/program/seminarium/8). Bakgrunden till min presentation kan man faktiskt sp=E5ra tillbaka =E4nda till "Community Hack I", s=E5 man vet aldrig var man ger sig in p=E5. Anm=E4l er till Community Hack II (www.communityhack.org) som g=E5r av stapeln nu i helgen! Mvh Michael Boman -- = http://michaelboman.org - Security Blog & Wiki _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 20:33:10 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UIWsrn025083; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:59 +0200 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UIWqw6025027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:53 +0200 Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oq99u-0001au-Je; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:32:42 -0400 To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm CC: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se In-reply-to: (message from Joakim Signal on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:38:34 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS References: Message-Id: From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:32:42 -0400 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:33:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:53 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: ams@gnu.org, FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se > mixed, we have to change something. Why should our ways of > communicate be excluded from change? Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion suddenly in english? This is a swedish FOSS group (but I doubt we would disallow non-swedes from joining). The use of english here could be seen as excluding those participants that prefer to communicate in swedish. While it is unlikely that the use of english here actually is a problem, it does illustrate the point that too much political correctness can lead to absurd situations (i.e., we are swedes, so why suddenly speak english here?). Alas, despite your good intentions, there is a group of people here who are not Swedish, and a group who does not command the Swedish language eloquently. My point is, "political correctness" is ultimately a completely silly notion. Just be nice. :-) _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Mon Aug 30 23:51:12 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7ULowtV006679; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:51:04 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7ULou53006672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:56 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D086B40010; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id C32674001E; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4F440010; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: ams@gnu.org, FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Political correctness in FOSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:51:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:50:56 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, at 14:32, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Alas, despite your good intentions, there is a group of people here > who are not Swedish, and a group who does not command the Swedish > language eloquently. My point is, "political correctness" is > ultimately a completely silly notion. Just be nice. :-) I see. That's a good reason for us to use english in some of the discussions then = :) /Joakim _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 01:08:47 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UN8UMO028910; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:37 +0200 Received: from smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (smtp-out12.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.212]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7UN8S4l028774 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:28 +0200 Received: from dracena.localnet (81.233.2.138) by smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (8.5.114) (authenticated as u83207524) id 4BC6CFA7022F9869; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:19 +0200 From: Mikael Bergqvist To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: Hackeretos och inkluderande =?iso-8859-1?q?spr=E5kbruk?= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-22-generic; KDE/4.5.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201008310108.17652.mikaels.mail@telia.com> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:08:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Daniel Stenberg X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Inst=E4mmer. /Mikael m=E5ndag 30 augusti 2010 skrev Daniel Stenberg: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Joakim Lundborg wrote: > > Ett inkluderande tonl=E4ge =E4r en f=F6ruts=E4ttning f=F6r att vi ska k= unna vara > > ett brett och =F6ppet forum f=F6r m=E4nniskor som h=E5ller p=E5 med FOS= S. Ibland > > m=E5ste vi t=E4nka efter tv=E5 g=E5nger p=E5 hur vi beter oss f=F6r att= kunna vara > > inkluderande. D=E4rf=F6r beh=F6vs ibland artiga p=E5pekanden och manand= e om > > eftertanke. > = > V=E4l talat Joakim. Jag hade ett mycket s=E4mre formulerat mail p=E5 g=E5= ng i samma > anda som jag nu skrotat med gl=E4dje. Tack. _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 09:06:03 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V75hgt031501; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:51 +0200 Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V75gQd031497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:42 +0200 Received: (from bjst@localhost) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o7V75gMm031496 for foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:42 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Stenberg To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: Re: Hackeretos och =?iso-8859-1?Q?inkluder?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ande_spr=E5kbruk?= Message-ID: <20100831070542.GA12066@giant> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:05:42 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Joakim Lundborg wrote: > F=F6r mig pr=E4glas hackeretos av =F6ppenhet, vilja att dela med sig, en = stolthet > =F6ver teknisk excellens och en str=E4van att f=F6rb=E4ttra v=E4rlden (om= s=E5 bara en > v=E4ldigt liten och n=F6rdig bit av den =3D) ). Problemet =E4r att inget av detta st=E5r i motsats till det som Magnus skre= v. L=E4s igen: "Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend (the other-one than Eliza)." Ett liv utan emacs och perl =E4r som ett liv utan k=E4rlek. Hur i hela gl= =F6dheta v=E4nder man det till att vara exkluderande eller neds=E4ttande sp= r=E5kbruk? Ordet "girldfriend" =E4r inte en normativ sterotyp, det =E4r f= =F6rfattarens referens! Det =E5ligger faktiskt l=E4saren att tolka f=F6rfat= tarens avsikt, inte bara s=F6ka efter saker som n=E5gon icke n=E4rvarande f= ikitiv person eventuellt skulle kunna st=F6ta sig p=E5. Om det =E4r n=E5got som g=F6r att folk drar sig fr=E5n att posta p=E5 lista= n nu, =E4r det vetskapen om att en person p=E5 listan st=E4ndigt st=E5r red= o att attackera dem som inte st=E4ller upp p=E5 hans vision om ett s=F6nder= abstraherat, opersonligt och urvattnat spr=E5k. Denna konflikts=F6kande mor= alv=E4ktarattityd skapar avsev=E4rt mer exklusion =E4n n=E5gra hypotetiskt = opassande vitsar. -- = Bj=F6rn _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 09:23:22 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V7NFBa009348; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:16 +0200 Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V7NCDU009304 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:13 +0200 Received: by iwn36 with SMTP id 36so7321622iwn.41 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=140s/iEZkUqEufS7FkNchtctZd+XrWYgrK7QKgMFFsg=; b=KPQueLaclfemDMeLNr3ksiZzw/ke9IDeXxe73H10AUnPnQ2/Rpg0/f62yBOTzS9reT pRD0aypKACXxUN5o+GZ+1qPncp10o0r+EkgHVAaRTnlF+gvrTGWVKhhLBVpynK4TKK1X lOZDRdyM1/yL0fmUUEXWGp982weSd0Yk55JT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bheFd5u53QRfLcVVw9hqFkt046zGe4Wm/3WZ3f9W37YZuDjSTnAa4YDsHbK7KFjJM9 0y6B5HgOL9/0w1X49RkbZ2bzwMqV6PrF2tqKAlL7r3iH/d/odifQffkFZK7TiLHVzzOp JWy9XNS20OqZ3J3ku2tZmc0lPrRQ4zyNDo2JQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.144.74 with SMTP id y10mr6549691ibu.65.1283239390900; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.147.81 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FOSS_listan=2C_f=F6r_vem_och_till_vilket_syfte=3F?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Hedstr=F6m?= To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:13 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se (Med risk f=F6r att starta ytterligare en l=E5ng och "tr=E5kig" tr=E5d, men= de som inte =E4r ett dugg intresserade kan ju enkelt filtrera bort p=E5 topic) Inte helt otippat =E4r "vi" (dvs alla vi som finns p=E5 listan) en r=E4tt spretig grupp - m=E5nga med starka viljor. Det visste jag redan innan g=E5rdagens diskussion blossade upp, som jag tycker v=E4ckte en del intressanta fr=E5gor - =E4ven om en del hakade upp sig p=E5 detaljer. N=E5gra fr=E5ngick god samtalston, andra blev uppr=F6rda =F6ver att s=E5 gj= ordes. Vi =E4r en del av samh=E4llet, varf=F6r skulle inte samh=E4llets problem = =E4ven finnas hos oss? Att tro n=E5got anant =E4r otroligt naivt. Det =E4r ocks=E5 r=E4tt naturligt att vi har olika syften med att "h=E4nga = p=E5 listan", olika ambitionsniv=E5 och olika intressen, olika utg=E5ngspunkter och infallsvinklar. Som jag skrev tidigare =E4r det ju m=E5ngfalden som g=F6r det hela roligt och intressant. Daniel har varit smart som inte tagit p=E5 sig kaptensm=F6ssan och styrt v=E5r skuta - varf=F6r skulle han det? Han =E4r ju faktiskt bara "en av oss", med enda skillnad att utan honom skulle vi inte ha den h=E4r listan. Vad man d=E4remot kan fr=E5ga sig sj=E4lv =E4r vem listan =E4r till f=F6r o= ch vilket syfte den ska fylla. Och hur =E4r detta relevant? Jo, f=F6r att f=F6rra tr=E5den inneh=F6ll argu= ment i stil med "vi m=E5ste..." som uppenbarligen inte alla kunde identifiera sig med. Att argumentera i termer av vad man f=E5r och inte f=E5r kommer oundvikligen resultera i en lista som inkluderar vissa p=E5 bekostnad av andra (=E5t godtyckligt h=E5ll, m=E4rk v=E4l), och det vinner ingen p=E5. J= ag tror alla vill ha en s=E5 stor lista som m=F6jligt med s=E5 mycket gemensamt inneh=E5ll som det bara g=E5r. Gemensamt f=F6r alla =E4r f=F6rhoppningsvis att man =E4r intresserad av (el= ler kanske nyfiken p=E5) FOSS. Personligen tycker jag listans inneh=E5ll endast ska handla om teknik och inte om politik. Jag ser inte listans roll som ett steg i att reformera hela samh=E4llet, utan som en spridningsplats f=F6r allt som har med FOSS att g=F6ra (ur ett tekniskt perspektiv allts=E5, =E4ven om FOSS definitivt kan vidgas till att innefatta =E4ven samh=E4llsstrukturella problem). Jag tror att om vi lyckas h=E5lla god ton, till=E4mpar "sunt f=F6rnuft", kanske l=E4ser igenom det som postas innan det postas och h=E5ller oss till en ren teknisk diskussion s=E5 blir det inte n=E5gra problem p=E5 listan framgent. N=E5gra citat fr=E5n v=E5r hemsida: - "Vi =E4r folk intresserade av FOSS i Stockholms-omr=E5det" - "Vi ser g=E4rna att vi f=E5r s=E5 m=E5nga olika projekt och grupperingar representerade och intresserade!" - "Vi =E4r =F6ppna och intresserade av FOSS fr=E5n alla h=E5ll." S=E5 naturligtvis ska vi vara =F6ppna och inte agera f=F6rtryckande, =E4r i= nte det r=E4tt sj=E4lvklart? Vem skriver inte upp p=E5 det? I =F6vrigt h=E5ller jag helt med Bj=F6rns senaste inl=E4gg i etostr=E5den -= det =E5ligger =E4ven l=E4sare att till=E4mpa sunt f=F6rnuft. // Adde _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 11:16:25 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V9GAOu016929; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:15 +0200 Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7V9G85w016918 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:08 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:0:217:42ff:fe7b:40a0]) (Authenticated sender: mem) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56E9F18D4BA for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7CC855.1000802@netnod.se> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:05 +0200 From: Magnus Sandberg Organization: Netnod/Autonomica User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOSS-Sthlm Subject: Reflektion kolon =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ang=E5ende_feminism=2C_diskr?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?iminering_mm_p=E5_listan?= X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:16:08 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Hej! De semaste dagarna har det p=E5g=E5tt en "flame-war"/"politisktkorrekt"/"militant" diskussion om diskriminering och exkludering inom FOSS. Jag kommer h=E4r g=F6ra n=E5gra personliga reflektioner och d=E5 =E4ven namnge vissa personer p=E5 listan. De personer jag namnger hoppas jag k=E4nner att jag refererat till dem p=E5 ett korrekt s=E4tt och inte som ett personligt p=E5hopp. Min f=F6rhoppning =E4r att hj= =E4lpa dem som =E4r med i diskussionen att kanske f=F6rst=E5 sina opponenter. F=F6rst vill jag b=F6rja med en allm=E4n reflektion som inte har med dessa diskussioner h=E4r p=E5 listan att g=F6ra men som kan s=E4tta diskussionern= a i ett st=F6rre perspektiv; Jag tror att den stora =F6ppenhet och upplysthet som finns i det svenska samh=E4llet g=F6r det sv=E5rt f=F6r extremistgrupper att f=E5 ett reellt fo= tf=E4ste i det svenska samh=E4llet. Till exempel har varken fr=E4mlingsfientliga grupper, extremistkyrkor, extremveganer eller bokstavstrogna feminister lyckats etablera sig i samh=E4llet (f=F6rutom i vissa kommunfullm=E4ktige, = d=E4r de s=E4llan bemannar sina mandat som de f=E5tt). Utan att f=F6reg=E5r den strundande valdagen s=E5 tror jag att Folkpartiets spr=E5kkrav passar b=E4ttre =E4n Sverigedemokraternas extrem=E5sikter i det svenska kynnet. Samma kynne tilltals mer av Lars Ohlys eller Thomas Bodstr=F6ms "mjukisfeminism" framf=F6r Feministiskt Initiativ mer extrema framtoning. Jag tror att denna lista vinner mer p=E5 "mjukisfeminism" framf=F6r den extremistiska/militanta/bokstavstrogna attityden. Ett exempel p=E5, vad jag tycker =E4r, bra mjukisfeminism som ocks=E5 hade glimten i =F6gat var Hedvigs presentation "Kvinnor och Open Source" p=E5 senaste FOSS-m=F6tet. Hedvig blandade egna erfarenheter av bland annat "att bli rekommenderad att fixa kaffe om hon vill bidra" med andra anekdoter ifr=E5n personer hon m=F6tt eller l=E4st om p=E5 Internet. Det he= la illustrerades med roliga bilder och med ett mycket bra framf=F6rande. Att sedan efter=E5t sitta och diskutera med Hedvig p=E5 puben gav riktigt mycket mersmak. F=F6r att ni bli lite ner konkret skulle jag rakt ut vilja s=E4ga att i grunden h=E5ller jag med Per Andersson och alla andra som vill ha ett j=E4mlikt samh=E4lle, och d=E5 i alla dess former s=E5 som k=F6n, religion, etniskbakgrund, sexuell l=E4ggning mm men jag tror inte det =E4r r=E4tt v= =E4g att g=E5 att bli f=F6r bokstavstrogen eller militant. Jag tror att du, Per, kommer l=E4ngre i diskussionerna och f=E5r fler att f=F6rst=E5 om du v=E4xl= ar ner attityden ett eller tv=E5 sn=E4pp. Vassa armb=E5gar g=F6r att man f=E5r alla andras armb=E5gar i magen. Till Glenn (f=F6r allas vetskap k=E4nner jag Glenn sedan m=E5nga =E5r och h= ar tr=E4ffat honom i verkligheten) och andra som inte tr=E4ffat Per (som jag ocks=E5 tr=E4ffat i FOSS-sammanhang) vill jag s=E4ga att Per vill v=E4l men= n=E4r man inte tr=E4ffats =F6ga mot =F6ga, har olika =E5lder, erfarenheter i live= t mm tas det skrivna ordet p=E5 en s=E5dan h=E4r lista inte alltid emot p=E5 det= s=E4tt avs=E4ndaren t=E4nkte sig. Med tanke p=E5 vilka andra deltagare det finns p=E5 denna lista har vi lika l=E4tt att starta ett militant "flame-war" g=E4llande Freedom of Speech eller OpenSource, s=E5 det g=E4ller att vi h=E5ller en trevlig attityd oberoende av vad =E4mnet g=E4ller. Jag vill ocks=E5 s=E4ga att jag h=E5ller med om Bj=F6rns kommentar tidigare= idag och i stort h=E5ller jag med Andreas =E4ven om jag tycker det finns plats f=F6r mer =E4n bara teknik. Slutlig fundering fr=E5n min sida, ingen beh=F6ver svara; Jag har orsakat b=E5de detta flame-war och det som var i januari med uppenbarligen d=E5liga ordval. Antingen =E4r jag en manschauvinist (som d= =E5 borde t=E4nka om) eller s=E5 k=E4nner jag att vissa h=E4r p=E5 listan =E4r =F6verk=E4nsliga f=F6r ordval. Fr=E5gan =E4r vad vi ska g=F6ra f=F6r att h= =E5lla en trevlig st=E4mning h=E4r? Jag kan t=E4nka mig att kliva =E5t sidan, hellre kliver jag bort fr=E5n listan =E4n att k=E4nna obehag av att inte varje ord v=E4gts p=E5 guldv=E5g. -- = // Mem _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 12:29:41 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VATNID020347; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:29:30 +0200 Received: from mail.inherit.se (inherit.se [213.180.83.34]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VAQLC5017835 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.inherit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688722F3843B for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at inherit.se Received: from mail.inherit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.inherit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id S1QNnZBOjRL6 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inherit.se (1-1-7-48a.sto.sth.bostream.se [82.182.135.33]) by mail.inherit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8392F383DB for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:14 +0200 From: Roland Hedayat To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: Hackeretos och =?iso-8859-1?Q?inkluder?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ande_spr=E5kbruk?= Message-ID: <20100831102613.GA5447@inherit.se> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> <20100831070542.GA12066@giant> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100831070542.GA12066@giant> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:29:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:26:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:29:22 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Nedanst=E5ende av Bj=F6rn =E4r en skarp och konsis sammanfattning som jag kan skriva under p=E5 till 100%. Om en en kvinna hade yttrat citatet nedan och d=E4refter blivit kritiserad f=F6r att anv=E4nda 'homonormativt' spr=E5k s=E5 hade det varit exakt lika absurt. En sak =E4r att tycka att ett sk=E4mt =E4r d=E5ligt (Jag tyckte det var v=E4ldigt roligt, och ocks=E5 relevant i sammanhanget - smaken =E4r som baken) - det kan man h=E5lla f=F6r sig sj=E4lv f=F6r att inte klottra ner listan. En helt annan sak =E4r att ta rollen som spr=E5kpolis i "framstegets" namn: D=E5 =E4r begreppet "politisk korrekthet" (med kritisk laddning) helt relevant. Denna listan skall handla om FOSS. FOSS har sin upprinnelse i Stallmanns manifesto d=E4r F:et st=E5r f=F6r Free - as in Free Speech. Vi kan t=E4nka sj=E4lv och beh=F6ver inga spr=E5k- eller andra list-poliser - s=E5 l=E4nge man h=E5ller sig till den artiga och v=E4nliga stil som =F6verv=E4ger i denna listan. /Roland =3D=3D=3D=3D On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 09:05:42AM +0200, Bj=F6rn Stenberg wrote: > Problemet =E4r att inget av detta st=E5r i motsats till det som Magnus > skrev. L=E4s igen: > = > "Yes, a life without Emacs and Perl is like a life without a girlfriend > (the other-one than Eliza)." > = > Ett liv utan emacs och perl =E4r som ett liv utan k=E4rlek. Hur i hela gl= =F6dheta > v=E4nder man det till att vara exkluderande eller neds=E4ttande spr=E5kbr= uk? Ordet > "girldfriend" =E4r inte en normativ sterotyp, det =E4r f=F6rfattarens ref= erens! > Det =E5ligger faktiskt l=E4saren att tolka f=F6rfattarens avsikt, inte ba= ra s=F6ka > efter saker som n=E5gon icke n=E4rvarande fikitiv person eventuellt skull= e kunna > st=F6ta sig p=E5. > Om det =E4r n=E5got som g=F6r att folk drar sig fr=E5n att posta p=E5 lis= tan nu, =E4r > det vetskapen om att en person p=E5 listan st=E4ndigt st=E5r redo att att= ackera > dem som inte st=E4ller upp p=E5 hans vision om ett s=F6nderabstraherat, > opersonligt och urvattnat spr=E5k. Denna konflikts=F6kande moralv=E4ktara= ttityd > skapar avsev=E4rt mer exklusion =E4n n=E5gra hypotetiskt opassande vitsar. _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 14:37:16 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VCb1ab014036; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:37:08 +0200 Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VCaxbn014022 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:36:59 +0200 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so8276690wwb.11 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yTEC2tVYngAZKV6+yHRh+xRXxg2zrammFEuaq+9irbI=; b=D+aZCmQ3Dh9UCGmzAoWGeh51j2gAKTiHgN4OrFSFWyI2daHbj2C/55snM4xgstD213 aw5lCIbw/a5nxevv8YMoYjzJzEU7C4Mom0BM4p89ts/mjcDbi5i5OFiitJdH7c3PpJ3O iTj/plYFvStczmge3uYkCapLoPofD4IVfInPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=G8kyPTETGK+OV2ggF9fx37JMMLIFXxQmSoxaM8zTcSi5uUnrJIKJUB1bAzr3fhy/8Z K0f1imN+bLSQa2Lh6U26wdUXGAAaHRhVxvpGylBhZnb8xbNpPOlVIpG14t+DuriNJbHC qEA8PNgwutB0tUZ21qvsQp8HqeI3zes+ekPlo= Received: by 10.227.128.79 with SMTP id j15mr6514272wbs.88.1283258211723; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (1-1-8-2d.mal.sth.bostream.se [82.182.85.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm5241116weq.8.2010.08.31.05.36.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hackeretos och inkluderande =?ISO-8859-1?Q?spr=E5kbruk?= From: Mac Ryan To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm In-Reply-To: <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:36:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:37:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:36:59 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se > Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion > suddenly in english? This is a swedish FOSS group This is another of those stereotypes that are legitimate (as nearly any stereotype is) but part themselves from reality quite a bit: not everybody who lives in Stockholm speaks Swedish, and most definitively not everybody who works or is interested in FOSS does. I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedish or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockholm the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feeling than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities. > Det pejorativa begreppet "politiskt korrekt" =E4r ett r=E4tt s=E5 d=E5lig= t ord = > att anv=E4nda om man verkligen vill diskutera den h=E4r fr=E5gan. Jag tyc= ker = > hellre att man b=F6r tala om inkluderande spr=E5kbruk. Att bete sig s=E5 = att = > alla k=E4nner sig v=E4lkomna helt enkelt. +1 for this. Mac. _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 15:20:01 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VDJrNI007262; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:19:55 +0200 Received: from smtp.nada.kth.se (smtp.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.182]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VDIY39006699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:18:34 +0200 X-Authentication-Info: The sender was authenticated as avin using PLAIN at smtp.nada.kth.se Received: from [192.168.3.138] ([193.12.106.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.nada.kth.se (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o7VDIUNO008993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:18:31 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <4C7D0121.5010908@kth.se> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:18:25 +0200 From: Aveen Ismail User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se Subject: Re: Hackeretos och inkluderande =?ISO-8859-1?Q?spr=E5kbruk?= References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> In-Reply-To: <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:19:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:18:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:19:51 +0200 X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On 08/31/2010 02:36 PM, Mac Ryan wrote: >> Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion >> suddenly in english? This is a swedish FOSS group >> = > This is another of those stereotypes that are legitimate (as nearly any > stereotype is) but part themselves from reality quite a bit: not > everybody who lives in Stockholm speaks Swedish, and most definitively > not everybody who works or is interested in FOSS does. > > I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedish > or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that > *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockholm > the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feeling > than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities. > > = I don't really remember who said what anymore, but I don't think that = the point of the statement above was to get anybody thinking that they = aught to be writing in Swedish here, but merely making a point that this = overreaction to a joke just because it had the word "girlfriend" in it = was as absurd as requiring everyone to write to this list in Swedish = just because we are based in Sweden. /Aveen _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm From foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Tue Aug 31 22:56:33 2010 Return-Path: Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VKuFng030086; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:21 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (postfix@mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by giant.haxx.se (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1) with ESMTP id o7VKuDHd030069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:13 +0200 Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5240007 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1674) id 08D1D4000A; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb3 (2006-10-05) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb3 Received: from fritz.lysator.liu.se (fritz.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE1E40007 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Joakim Signal To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Hackeretos_och_inkluderande_spr=E5kbruk?= In-Reply-To: <4C7D0121.5010908@kth.se> Message-ID: References: <4C7BA6DE.9040200@netnod.se> <20100830140129.GB32106@pallid.bsnet.se> <4C7BC20D.3070104@tobiasa.se> <4C7BE9F4.20400@gmail.com> <1283258207.15774.46.camel@jabbar> <4C7D0121.5010908@kth.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Default is to whitelist mail, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.5 (giant.haxx.se [80.67.6.50]); Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:56:13 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Id: FOSS-folk i Stockholm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se Errors-To: foss-sthlm-bounces@cool.haxx.se On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, at 15:18, Aveen Ismail wrote: > On 08/31/2010 02:36 PM, Mac Ryan wrote: >> > Regarding changes in how we communicate, why is this discussion >> > suddenly in english? This is a swedish FOSS group >> > >> This is another of those stereotypes that are legitimate (as nearly any >> stereotype is) but part themselves from reality quite a bit: not >> everybody who lives in Stockholm speaks Swedish, and most definitively >> not everybody who works or is interested in FOSS does. >> >> I am not taking position on whether it is more inclusive to use Swedish >> or English on this list, but as a foreigner, I can guarantee that >> *assuming* that because the list is geographically focused on Stockholm >> the language should be Swedish, definitively conveys a different feeling >> than inclusiveness. It's a typical case of overlooking minorities. >> >> = > > I don't really remember who said what anymore, but I don't think that the = > point of the statement above was to get anybody thinking that they aught = to = > be writing in Swedish here, but merely making a point that this overreact= ion = > to a joke just because it had the word "girlfriend" in it was as absurd a= s = > requiring everyone to write to this list in Swedish just because we are b= ased = > in Sweden. Hm, perhaps Lojban would be the best human language for us to use? There would not be much advantage or disadvantage in regards to geographica= l = location, cultural background or other linguistic skills. Also, it's unlikely that any of us already speaks Lojban, further leveling the playing field. Assuming all of us would be willing to spend large amounts of time learning= this = language, it would still take a few years for us to become fluent speakers. If this task for some peculiar reason sounds unreasonable to you, then our = continued use of swedish and english would be just fine by me. /Joakim _______________________________________________ http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/ http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm