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Detta fick jag fr=E5n G=E5l=F6 havsbad.

/Erik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: info galohavsbad.se <info@galohavsbad.se>
Date: 2010/4/30
Subject: Re: Summer camp
To: Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>


Hej

Tack f=F6r Ert mail. Vad roligt att Ni funderar p=E5 G=E5l=F6 som alternati=
v f=F6r Er
tr=E4ff.
Jag skulle rekommendera vandrarhmmets matsal som m=F6teslokal d=E4r Ni kan =
laga
mat, elda i =F6ppen spis och f=E5 plats med deltagare och datorer. Lokalen
kostar 3.000:- dygnet men ing=E5r om m an hyr hela vandrarhmmet f=F6r 7.900=
:-.
Vandrarhmmet har 25 b=E4ddar.

F=F6r mer information se www.galohavsbad.se. H=F6r g=E4rna av Er med fr=E5g=
or och
funderingar.

Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar

Maria Jonasson

Den 29 april 2010 20.14 skrev Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:

Hejsan!
>
> Vi =E4r en grupp av m=E4nniskor som delar intresse av programmering och =
=F6ppen
> k=E4llkod.
>
> "F=F6reningen" =E4r helt ideell och kallas "FOSS-Stockholm".
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>
> Vi planerar att arrangera ett s.k. "Summer Camp", d=E4r programmerare fr=
=E5n
> hela Stockholm/Sverige =E4r t=E4nkt vara inbjudna.
>
> Vi letar efter en plats att h=E5lla detta, som vi planerar kommer str=E4c=
ka sig
> =F6ver en helg n=E5gon g=E5ng i sommar.
>
> Vi undrar om det skulle kunna g=E5 att hyra t=E4ltplats/t=E4ltplatser f=
=F6r en helg
> f=F6r det =E4ndam=E5let? Samt =E4ven en "lokal" som kan rymma c:a 25-30 p=
ersoner med
> datorer.
>
> =C4r det h=E4r n=E5got som ni tror ni skulle kunna st=E5 som v=E4rdar f=
=F6r?
>
> MVH
> /Erik L=F6nroth
>



--=20
Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar
G=E5l=F6 Havsbad
Sk=E4l=E5kersv=E4gen 11
136 91  Haninge
08-500 338 80

+46850033880

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Detta fick jag fr=E5n G=E5l=F6 havsbad.<br><br>/Erik<br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gm=
ail_sendername">info <a href=3D"http://galohavsbad.se">galohavsbad.se</a></=
b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@galohavsbad.se">info@galoha=
vsbad.se</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: 2010/4/30<br>Subject: Re: Summer camp<br>To: Erik L=F6nroth &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><br>=
<br><div>Hej=A0=A0=A0=A0 </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Tack f=F6r Ert mail. Vad roligt att Ni funderar p=E5 G=E5l=F6 som alte=
rnativ f=F6r Er tr=E4ff.</div>
<div>Jag skulle rekommendera vandrarhmmets matsal som m=F6teslokal d=E4r Ni=
 kan laga mat, elda i =F6ppen spis och f=E5 plats med deltagare och datorer=
. Lokalen kostar 3.000:- dygnet men ing=E5r om m an hyr hela vandrarhmmet f=
=F6r 7.900:-.</div>



<div>Vandrarhmmet har 25 b=E4ddar.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>F=F6r mer information se <a href=3D"http://www.galohavsbad.se/" target=
=3D"_blank">www.galohavsbad.se</a>. H=F6r g=E4rna av Er med fr=E5gor och fu=
nderingar.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Maria Jonasson<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 29 april 2010 20.14 skrev Erik L=F6nroth <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"=
><br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hejsan!<br><br>Vi=
 =E4r en grupp av m=E4nniskor som delar intresse av programmering och =F6pp=
en k=E4llkod.<br>
<br>&quot;F=F6reningen&quot; =E4r helt ideell och kallas &quot;FOSS-Stockho=
lm&quot;. =A0<a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//foss-sthlm.haxx.se/</a><br>

<br>Vi planerar att arrangera ett s.k. &quot;Summer Camp&quot;, d=E4r progr=
ammerare fr=E5n hela Stockholm/Sverige =E4r t=E4nkt vara inbjudna.<br><br>V=
i letar efter en plats att h=E5lla detta, som vi planerar kommer str=E4cka =
sig =F6ver en helg n=E5gon g=E5ng i sommar.<br>


<br>Vi undrar om det skulle kunna g=E5 att hyra t=E4ltplats/t=E4ltplatser f=
=F6r en helg f=F6r det =E4ndam=E5let? Samt =E4ven en &quot;lokal&quot; som =
kan rymma c:a 25-30 personer med datorer.<br><br>=C4r det h=E4r n=E5got som=
 ni tror ni skulle kunna st=E5 som v=E4rdar f=F6r?<br>


<br>MVH<br><font color=3D"#888888">/Erik L=F6nroth<br></font></blockquote><=
/div></div></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsninga=
r<br>G=E5l=F6 Havsbad<br>Sk=E4l=E5kersv=E4gen 11<br>136 91 =A0Haninge<br>08=
-500 338 80<br>

<br>+46850033880<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.galohavsbad.se/" target=3D"_b=
lank">www.galohavsbad.se</a><br>
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Vandrarhem =C3=A4r mesigt!

Vi ska ju campa!

Men det =C3=A4r bra att ha en lokal f=C3=B6r matlagning  och konferansande =
om man ska
diskutera saker.

Man skulle kunna l=C3=A4gga upp det s=C3=A5 att deltagarna hj=C3=A4lper til=
l att betala
lokalkostnaderna + att de betalar f=C3=B6r hur de vill bo?
D=C3=A5 kan man f=C3=A5 ett varierat pris, man betalar bara f=C3=B6r det ma=
n vill ha.

2010/5/1 Erik L=C3=B6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>

> Detta fick jag fr=C3=A5n G=C3=A5l=C3=B6 havsbad.
>
> /Erik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: info galohavsbad.se <info@galohavsbad.se>
> Date: 2010/4/30
> Subject: Re: Summer camp
> To: Erik L=C3=B6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hej
>
> Tack f=C3=B6r Ert mail. Vad roligt att Ni funderar p=C3=A5 G=C3=A5l=C3=B6=
 som alternativ f=C3=B6r Er
> tr=C3=A4ff.
> Jag skulle rekommendera vandrarhmmets matsal som m=C3=B6teslokal d=C3=A4r=
 Ni kan laga
> mat, elda i =C3=B6ppen spis och f=C3=A5 plats med deltagare och datorer. =
Lokalen
> kostar 3.000:- dygnet men ing=C3=A5r om m an hyr hela vandrarhmmet f=C3=
=B6r 7.900:-.
> Vandrarhmmet har 25 b=C3=A4ddar.
>
> F=C3=B6r mer information se www.galohavsbad.se. H=C3=B6r g=C3=A4rna av Er=
 med fr=C3=A5gor och
> funderingar.
>
> Med v=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar
>
> Maria Jonasson
>
> Den 29 april 2010 20.14 skrev Erik L=C3=B6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>
> Hejsan!
>>
>> Vi =C3=A4r en grupp av m=C3=A4nniskor som delar intresse av programmerin=
g och =C3=B6ppen
>> k=C3=A4llkod.
>>
>> "F=C3=B6reningen" =C3=A4r helt ideell och kallas "FOSS-Stockholm".
>> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>>
>> Vi planerar att arrangera ett s.k. "Summer Camp", d=C3=A4r programmerare=
 fr=C3=A5n
>> hela Stockholm/Sverige =C3=A4r t=C3=A4nkt vara inbjudna.
>>
>> Vi letar efter en plats att h=C3=A5lla detta, som vi planerar kommer str=
=C3=A4cka
>> sig =C3=B6ver en helg n=C3=A5gon g=C3=A5ng i sommar.
>>
>> Vi undrar om det skulle kunna g=C3=A5 att hyra t=C3=A4ltplats/t=C3=A4ltp=
latser f=C3=B6r en
>> helg f=C3=B6r det =C3=A4ndam=C3=A5let? Samt =C3=A4ven en "lokal" som kan=
 rymma c:a 25-30
>> personer med datorer.
>>
>> =C3=84r det h=C3=A4r n=C3=A5got som ni tror ni skulle kunna st=C3=A5 som=
 v=C3=A4rdar f=C3=B6r?
>>
>> MVH
>> /Erik L=C3=B6nroth
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Med v=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar
> G=C3=A5l=C3=B6 Havsbad
> Sk=C3=A4l=C3=A5kersv=C3=A4gen 11
> 136 91  Haninge
> 08-500 338 80
>
> +46850033880
>
> www.galohavsbad.se
>
>
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Vandrarhem =C3=A4r mesigt!<div><br></div><div>Vi ska ju campa!</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Men det =C3=A4r bra att ha en lokal f=C3=B6r matlagning =C2=A0=
och konferansande om man ska diskutera saker.</div><div><br></div><div>Man =
skulle kunna l=C3=A4gga upp det s=C3=A5 att deltagarna hj=C3=A4lper till at=
t betala lokalkostnaderna + att de betalar f=C3=B6r hur de vill bo?</div>
<div>D=C3=A5 kan man f=C3=A5 ett varierat pris, man betalar bara f=C3=B6r d=
et man vill ha.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/1 Erik L=C3=
=B6nroth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">er=
ik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Detta fick jag fr=C3=A5n G=C3=A5l=C3=B6 hav=
sbad.<br><br>/Erik<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded m=
essage ----------<br>
From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">info <a href=3D"http://galohavsbad.se" =
target=3D"_blank">galohavsbad.se</a></b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:info@galohavsbad.se" target=3D"_blank">info@galohavsbad.se</a>&gt;</s=
pan><br>

Date: 2010/4/30<br>Subject: Re: Summer camp<br>To: Erik L=C3=B6nroth &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">erik.lonroth@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div>Hej=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Tack f=C3=B6r Ert mail. Vad roligt att Ni funderar p=C3=A5 G=C3=A5l=C3=
=B6 som alternativ f=C3=B6r Er tr=C3=A4ff.</div>
<div>Jag skulle rekommendera vandrarhmmets matsal som m=C3=B6teslokal d=C3=
=A4r Ni kan laga mat, elda i =C3=B6ppen spis och f=C3=A5 plats med deltagar=
e och datorer. Lokalen kostar 3.000:- dygnet men ing=C3=A5r om m an hyr hel=
a vandrarhmmet f=C3=B6r 7.900:-.</div>




<div>Vandrarhmmet har 25 b=C3=A4ddar.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>F=C3=B6r mer information se <a href=3D"http://www.galohavsbad.se/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">www.galohavsbad.se</a>. H=C3=B6r g=C3=A4rna av Er med fr=C3=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 29 april 2010 20.14 skrev Erik L=C3=B6nroth =
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blank">erik.lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<div><div></div><div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hejsan!<br><br>Vi =C3=
=A4r en grupp av m=C3=A4nniskor som delar intresse av programmering och =C3=
=B6ppen k=C3=A4llkod.<br>

<br>&quot;F=C3=B6reningen&quot; =C3=A4r helt ideell och kallas &quot;FOSS-S=
tockholm&quot;. =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/</a><br>

<br>Vi planerar att arrangera ett s.k. &quot;Summer Camp&quot;, d=C3=A4r pr=
ogrammerare fr=C3=A5n hela Stockholm/Sverige =C3=A4r t=C3=A4nkt vara inbjud=
na.<br><br>Vi letar efter en plats att h=C3=A5lla detta, som vi planerar ko=
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<br>Vi undrar om det skulle kunna g=C3=A5 att hyra t=C3=A4ltplats/t=C3=A4lt=
platser f=C3=B6r en helg f=C3=B6r det =C3=A4ndam=C3=A5let? Samt =C3=A4ven e=
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<br>+46850033880<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.galohavsbad.se/" target=3D"_b=
lank">www.galohavsbad.se</a><br>
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Ett ypperligt f=F6rslag. Det =E4r ju lite det som Torrent var t=E4nkt att a=
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f=F6r.
Jag kan ocks=E5 ha en seed ig=E5ng (och s=E4kert fler med mig).

// Adde

2010/4/30 Jonas Forsberg <foss-sthlm@gargamel.nu>

> En liten tanke som sl=E5r mig, varf=F6r inte torrent?
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Ett ypperligt f=F6rslag. Det =E4r ju lite det som Torrent var t=E4nkt att a=
nv=E4ndas f=F6r.<div>Jag kan ocks=E5 ha en seed ig=E5ng (och s=E4kert fler =
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">En liten tanke som sl=E5r mig, varf=F6r int=
e torrent?<br>
Jag =E4r villig att ha en permanent seedning p=E5 dessa filmer, det =E4r ba=
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Hur blev det med loggan?

Vad h=E4nde med den ?

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On 2 maj 2010, at 17.43, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
> Hur blev det med loggan?
> =

> Vad h=E4nde med den ?
> =


"t=E4vlingen" forts=E4tter...

ska samla in alla f=F6rslag p=E5 en sida d=E4r dom kan besk=E5das och s=E5 =
k=F6r vi en omr=F6stning den 19:e eller s=E5 p=E5 tr=E4ff #2

/c


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OK

Jag efterlyser n=E5gon som kan g=F6ra en logga med vapensk=F6ld-stil. Det v=
ore
ballt tycker jag! Det l=E4gger jag nog min r=F6st p=E5 i s=E5 fall.

Typsnitt =E4r s=E5 80-tal.

/Erik

2010/5/2 Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>

> On 2 maj 2010, at 17.43, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:
> > Hur blev det med loggan?
> >
> > Vad h=E4nde med den ?
> >
>
> "t=E4vlingen" forts=E4tter...
>
> ska samla in alla f=F6rslag p=E5 en sida d=E4r dom kan besk=E5das och s=
=E5 k=F6r vi en
> omr=F6stning den 19:e eller s=E5 p=E5 tr=E4ff #2
>
> /c
>
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OK<div><br></div><div>Jag efterlyser n=E5gon som kan g=F6ra en logga med va=
pensk=F6ld-stil. Det vore ballt tycker jag! Det l=E4gger jag nog min r=F6st=
 p=E5 i s=E5 fall.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Typsnitt =E4r s=E5 80-tal.</=
div><div><br></div>
<div>/Erik<br><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/2 Claes Jakobsson =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:claes@versed.se">claes@versed.se</a=
>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On 2 maj 2010, at 17.43, Erik L=F6nroth wrote:<br>
&gt; Hur blev det med loggan?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Vad h=E4nde med den ?<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;t=E4vlingen&quot; forts=E4tter...<br>
<br>
ska samla in alla f=F6rslag p=E5 en sida d=E4r dom kan besk=E5das och s=E5 =
k=F6r vi en omr=F6stning den 19:e eller s=E5 p=E5 tr=E4ff #2<br>
<br>
/c<br>
<br>
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On 05/01/2010 02:55 PM, Andreas Hedstr=F6m wrote:
> Ett ypperligt f=F6rslag. Det =E4r ju lite det som Torrent var t=E4nkt att
> anv=E4ndas f=F6r.
> Jag kan ocks=E5 ha en seed ig=E5ng (och s=E4kert fler med mig).

Javisst, jag har haft en egen tracker p=E5 min server tidigare etc, men =

orkade inte tanka dit filerna - och nej, det beh=F6vs f=F6rst=E5s inte, men =

det brukar =E4nd=E5 koka ner till att man vill ha *en* stadig seed fr=E5n s=
tart.

Men jag har fullt upp dessa dagar (nytt jobb etc) s=E5 "feel free" att =

s=E4tta upp. N=E4r URLerna p=E5 m=F6tes-sidan =E4r =E4ndrade s=E5 tar jag b=
ort filerna =

fr=E5n MSC-servern.

mvh G=F6ran
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D=C3=A5 jag f=C3=A5tt till=C3=A5telse att s=C3=A4tta upp min server d=C3=A4=
r jag =C3=A4r inneboende (Den
ska f=C3=A5 leka router d=C3=A5 de enbart har en switch+AP grej och fiber a=
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:P) s=C3=A5 skulle jag nog kunna hj=C3=A4lpa till med att seeda torrenterna=
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2010/5/3 G=C3=B6ran Krampe <goran@krampe.se>

> On 05/01/2010 02:55 PM, Andreas Hedstr=C3=B6m wrote:
>
>> Ett ypperligt f=C3=B6rslag. Det =C3=A4r ju lite det som Torrent var t=C3=
=A4nkt att
>> anv=C3=A4ndas f=C3=B6r.
>> Jag kan ocks=C3=A5 ha en seed ig=C3=A5ng (och s=C3=A4kert fler med mig).
>>
>
> Javisst, jag har haft en egen tracker p=C3=A5 min server tidigare etc, me=
n
> orkade inte tanka dit filerna - och nej, det beh=C3=B6vs f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5=
s inte, men det
> brukar =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 koka ner till att man vill ha *en* stadig seed fr=
=C3=A5n start.
>
> Men jag har fullt upp dessa dagar (nytt jobb etc) s=C3=A5 "feel free" att=
 s=C3=A4tta
> upp. N=C3=A4r URLerna p=C3=A5 m=C3=B6tes-sidan =C3=A4r =C3=A4ndrade s=C3=
=A5 tar jag bort filerna fr=C3=A5n
> MSC-servern.
>
> mvh G=C3=B6ran
>
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r jag =C3=A4r inneboende (Den ska f=C3=A5 leka router d=C3=A5 de enbart har=
 en switch+AP grej och fiber anslutning :P) s=C3=A5 skulle jag nog kunna hj=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/3 G=C3=B6ran Krampe <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:goran@krampe.se">goran@krampe.se</a>&gt;</span><=
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<div class=3D"im">On 05/01/2010 02:55 PM, Andreas Hedstr=C3=B6m wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ett ypperligt f=C3=B6rslag. Det =C3=A4r ju lite det som Torrent var t=C3=A4=
nkt att<br>
anv=C3=A4ndas f=C3=B6r.<br>
Jag kan ocks=C3=A5 ha en seed ig=C3=A5ng (och s=C3=A4kert fler med mig).<br=
>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Javisst, jag har haft en egen tracker p=C3=A5 min server tidigare etc, men =
orkade inte tanka dit filerna - och nej, det beh=C3=B6vs f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5s =
inte, men det brukar =C3=A4nd=C3=A5 koka ner till att man vill ha *en* stad=
ig seed fr=C3=A5n start.<br>
<br>
Men jag har fullt upp dessa dagar (nytt jobb etc) s=C3=A5 &quot;feel free&q=
uot; att s=C3=A4tta upp. N=C3=A4r URLerna p=C3=A5 m=C3=B6tes-sidan =C3=A4r =
=C3=A4ndrade s=C3=A5 tar jag bort filerna fr=C3=A5n MSC-servern.<br>
<br>
mvh G=C3=B6ran<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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Hejsan foss-vänner!

Nu är det två veckor kvar tills möte #2 går av stapeln. Ni som ännu inte 
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Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen (Gemensam=
 IT i =

Stockholm)?
=C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte allti=
d ha med =

ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig f=F6rvaltning?

Jag blev p=E5mind d=E5 en av barnens skolor skickade ut info (en .doc-fil f=
=F6r =

=F6vrigt) d=E4r jag bland annat l=E4ser att:
" ... GSIT ... alla datorer byts ut,  =C4ven skrivare byts ut. All personal=
 f=E5r =

nya epostadresser f=F6r att de f=E5r Outlook-webaccess."

/Mikael
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On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:
> Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen (Gemens=
am
> IT i Stockholm)?
> =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte all=
tid ha
> med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig f=F6rvalt=
ning?

Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gningsunderlag (det =E4r=
 en =

offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras registra=
tor). Det =

finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger n=E5=
got om =

att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder och regione=
r har =

s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.

Stat, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, Lagen =
om =

Offentlig Upphandling.

Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad inte =F6verv=E4gde FOSS =F6.h.t.=
 men jag kan =

ha fel.

/Daniel
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P=E5 LinkedIn finns en grupp som heter FOSS Sweden.

D=E4r finns det en tr=E5d som ber=F6r det h=E4r =E4mnet en aning som jag po=
stade f=F6r
n=E5gra dagar sen:

*
http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=3D&discussionID=
=3D19019578&gid=3D2320203&commentID=3D15740120&goback=3D.anh_2320203&trk=3D=
NUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_15740120

**H=E4r =E4r inl=E4gget:

Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga
eDelegationens webbplats:
http://www.edelegationen.se<http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%=
2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese&urlhash=3DwEPv>


"Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"

Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=E5v=
erkar
sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och ko=
mmer
p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.

Bra att veta f=F6r alla open source freaks.
*
En l=E4nk til dokumentet hittar man h=E4r:
http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Es=
e%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010_32_0%2Epdf&urlhash=3DQzAw

D=E4r kan man l=E4sa:

"*Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
**v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och*
*alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvar*a"

/Erik L=F6nroth


2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>

> On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:
> > Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen (Geme=
nsam
> > IT i Stockholm)?
> > =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte a=
lltid ha
> > med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig
> f=F6rvaltning?
>
> Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gningsunderlag (det =
=E4r en
> offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras regist=
rator).
> Det
> finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger n=
=E5got
> om
> att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder och regio=
ner
> har
> s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.
>
> Stat, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, Lage=
n om
> Offentlig Upphandling.
>
> Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad inte =F6verv=E4gde FOSS =F6.h.=
t. men jag
> kan
> ha fel.
>
> /Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
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P=E5 LinkedIn finns en grupp som heter FOSS Sweden.<br><br>D=E4r finns det =
en tr=E5d som ber=F6r det h=E4r =E4mnet en aning som jag postade f=F6r n=E5=
gra dagar sen:<br><br><b><a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?vi=
ewQuestionAndAnswers=3D&amp;discussionID=3D19019578&amp;gid=3D2320203&amp;c=
ommentID=3D15740120&amp;goback=3D.anh_2320203&amp;trk=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_=
mr#commentID_15740120">http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAnd=
Answers=3D&amp;discussionID=3D19019578&amp;gid=3D2320203&amp;commentID=3D15=
740120&amp;goback=3D.anh_2320203&amp;trk=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_=
15740120</a><br>
<i><br></i></b><i>H=E4r =E4r inl=E4gget:<br><br>Ett citat fr=E5n den statli=
ga
<br>
eDelegationens webbplats:=20
                 =20
                    <a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%=
3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese&amp;urlhash=3DwEPv" target=3D"_blank" titl=
e=3D"New window will open">http://www.edelegationen.se</a><br><br><br>
&quot;Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
<br>
v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
<br>
alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara&quot;=20
<br><br>
Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=E5v=
erkar=20
sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och=20
kommer p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.
<br><br>
Bra att veta f=F6r alla open source freaks.<br></i><br>En l=E4nk til dokume=
ntet hittar man h=E4r: <a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dht=
tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010=
_32_0%2Epdf&amp;urlhash=3DQzAw">http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp=
%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010_3=
2_0%2Epdf&amp;urlhash=3DQzAw</a><br>
<br>D=E4r kan man l=E4sa:<br><br>
  &quot;<strong>Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
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/Erik L=F6nroth<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/6 Daniel Melin=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fulgubbe@gmail.com">fulgubbe@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: =
1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:=
<br>
&gt; Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen (Gem=
ensam<br>
&gt; IT i Stockholm)?<br>
&gt; =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte =
alltid ha<br>
&gt; med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig f=F6rv=
altning?<br>
<br>
</div>Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gningsunderlag (de=
t =E4r en<br>
offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras registra=
tor). Det<br>
finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger n=E5=
got om<br>
att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder och regione=
r har<br>
s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.<br>
<br>
Stat, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, Lagen =
om<br>
Offentlig Upphandling.<br>
<br>
Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad inte =F6verv=E4gde FOSS =F6.h.t.=
 men jag kan<br>
ha fel.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
/Daniel<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">__________________________________=
_____________<br>
<a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/" target=3D"_blank">http://foss-sthlm.=
haxx.se/</a><br>
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2010/5/6 Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:

> Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga
> eDelegationens webbplats: http://www.edelegationen.se
>
> "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
> alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
>
> Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=
=E5verkar
> sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och =
kommer
> p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.


Detta svarar iofs inte p=E5 Mikaels fr=E5gor och =E4r inte helt korrekt. Det
E-delegationen gjort =E4r att l=E4mna tv=E5 bet=E4nkanden. Dessa =E4r p=E5 =
intet
s=E4tt bindande f=F6r n=E5gon, utan just bet=E4nkanden. Om Regeringen fattar
beslut om saker som kommer fr=E5n E-delegationen n=E5gon g=E5ng i framtiden
s=E5 kan vi f=E5 n=E5got att f=F6rh=E5lla oss till. En enskild myndighet ka=
n ju
alltid i sina upphandlingar efterfr=E5ga eller gynna FOSS om dom vill,
men det =E4r inget nytt.

Den h=E4r typen av resonemang kommer jag att ber=F6ra p=E5 FOSS m=F6te 2.

Jag =E4r, precis som Mikael, nyfiken p=E5 hur Stockholm upphandlade och t=
=E4nkte.

/Daniel
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Jag sitter mitt i smeten s=E5 att s=E4ga s=E5 jag kommer att bara h=E5lla m=
ig till
rena fakta (=E4r inte beslutsfattare p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt).

GSIT =E4r Stockholms stads samlade grepp p=E5 en ganska spretig IT-milj=F6 =
vad
g=E4ller programvaror och h=E5rdvara och dess standard.

Det bygger p=E5 "workstation as service"-konceptet och levereras och drifta=
s
av Volvo IT (med partners).

Allt =E4r byggt p=E5 Microsfts AD och Windows 7,MS-Office 2007,
Outlook/Exchange. F=F6r elever dessutom Microsofts tj=E4nst Live@EDU som ge=
r
lagring och e-post i "molnet".

Open source har ingen plats i grundplattan som det ser ut idag och s=E4ttet
att hantera program p=E5 i n=E4tverket g=F6r att Open source inte ger n=E5g=
ra av de
f=F6rdelar det g=F6r p=E5 mindre centraliserad plattform. Program som ska
installeras m=E5ste vara paketerade (MSI-paket) och certifierade av Volvo I=
T,
med ganska stor prislapp p=E5 den processen f=F6r best=E4llande enhet.

Trots detta finns en hel del =F6ppen programvara att tillg=E5 i n=E4tet, ta=
ck vare
att framf=F6r allt skolor best=E4llt paketering av dem. Exempel =E4r Audaci=
ty,
GIMP (f=F6r Windows).

Detta var rena fakta, =E5sikterna l=E4mnar jag till er andra.

Mvh,
Patrik Str=F6mberg



Den 6 maj 2010 07.18 skrev Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:

> P=E5 LinkedIn finns en grupp som heter FOSS Sweden.
>
> D=E4r finns det en tr=E5d som ber=F6r det h=E4r =E4mnet en aning som jag =
postade f=F6r
> n=E5gra dagar sen:
>
> *
> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=3D&discussion=
ID=3D19019578&gid=3D2320203&commentID=3D15740120&goback=3D.anh_2320203&trk=
=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_15740120
>
> **H=E4r =E4r inl=E4gget:
>
> Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga
> eDelegationens webbplats: http://www.edelegationen.se<http://www.linkedin=
.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese&urlhash=3DwEPv>
>
>
> "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
> alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
>
> Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=
=E5verkar
> sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och =
kommer
> p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.
>
> Bra att veta f=F6r alla open source freaks.
> *
> En l=E4nk til dokumentet hittar man h=E4r:
> http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2=
Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010_32_0%2Epdf&urlhash=3DQzAw
>
> D=E4r kan man l=E4sa:
>
> "*Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> **v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och*
> *alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvar*a"
>
> /Erik L=F6nroth
>
>
> 2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>
>
>  On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:
>> > Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen
>> (Gemensam
>> > IT i Stockholm)?
>> > =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte =
alltid
>> ha
>> > med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig
>> f=F6rvaltning?
>>
>> Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gningsunderlag (det =
=E4r en
>> offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras regis=
trator).
>> Det
>> finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger n=
=E5got
>> om
>> att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder och regi=
oner
>> har
>> s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.
>>
>> Stat, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, Lag=
en om
>> Offentlig Upphandling.
>>
>> Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad inte =F6verv=E4gde FOSS =F6.h=
.t. men jag
>> kan
>> ha fel.
>>
>> /Daniel
>>  _______________________________________________
>> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>>
>
>
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<div>Jag sitter mitt i smeten s=E5 att s=E4ga s=E5 jag kommer att bara h=E5=
lla mig till rena fakta (=E4r inte beslutsfattare p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt).</di=
v>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>GSIT =E4r Stockholms stads samlade grepp p=E5 en ganska spretig IT-mil=
j=F6 vad g=E4ller programvaror och h=E5rdvara och dess standard.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Det bygger p=E5 &quot;workstation as service&quot;-konceptet och lever=
eras och driftas av Volvo IT (med partners).</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Allt =E4r byggt p=E5 Microsfts AD och Windows 7,MS-Office 2007, Outloo=
k/Exchange. F=F6r elever dessutom Microsofts tj=E4nst <a href=3D"mailto:Liv=
e@EDU">Live@EDU</a>=A0som ger lagring och e-post i &quot;molnet&quot;.</div=
>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Open source har ingen plats i grundplattan som det ser ut idag och s=
=E4ttet att hantera program p=E5 i n=E4tverket g=F6r att Open source inte g=
er n=E5gra av de f=F6rdelar det g=F6r p=E5 mindre centraliserad plattform. =
Program som ska installeras m=E5ste vara paketerade (MSI-paket) och certifi=
erade av Volvo IT, med ganska stor prislapp p=E5 den processen f=F6r best=
=E4llande enhet.=A0 </div>


<div>=A0</div>
<div>Trots detta finns en hel del =F6ppen programvara att tillg=E5 i n=E4te=
t, tack vare att framf=F6r allt skolor best=E4llt paketering av dem. Exempe=
l =E4r Audacity, GIMP (f=F6r Windows).</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Detta var rena fakta, =E5sikterna l=E4mnar jag till er andra.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Mvh,</div>
<div>Patrik Str=F6mberg</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 6 maj 2010 07.18 skrev Erik L=F6nroth <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.lonroth@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">P=E5 LinkedIn finns en grupp som=
 heter FOSS Sweden.<br><br>D=E4r finns det en tr=E5d som ber=F6r det h=E4r =
=E4mnet en aning som jag postade f=F6r n=E5gra dagar sen:<br>

<br><b><a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswe=
rs=3D&amp;discussionID=3D19019578&amp;gid=3D2320203&amp;commentID=3D1574012=
0&amp;goback=3D.anh_2320203&amp;trk=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_15740=
120" target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAnd=
Answers=3D&amp;discussionID=3D19019578&amp;gid=3D2320203&amp;commentID=3D15=
740120&amp;goback=3D.anh_2320203&amp;trk=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_=
15740120</a><br>

<i><br></i></b><i>H=E4r =E4r inl=E4gget:<br><br>Ett citat fr=E5n den statli=
ga <br>eDelegationens webbplats: <a title=3D"New window will open" href=3D"=
http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Es=
e&amp;urlhash=3DwEPv" target=3D"_blank">http://www.edelegationen.se</a><br>

<br><br>&quot;Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand <br>v=E4lja =F6ppna standar=
der och <br>alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara&quot; <br><br>Det =E4r =
n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=E5verkar sj=
=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och komm=
er p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen. <br>

<br>Bra att veta f=F6r alla open source freaks.<br></i><br>En l=E4nk til do=
kumentet hittar man h=E4r: <a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E=
_2010_32_0%2Epdf&amp;urlhash=3DQzAw" target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.=
com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%=
2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010_32_0%2Epdf&amp;urlhash=3DQzAw</a><br>

<br>D=E4r kan man l=E4sa:<br><br>&quot;<strong>Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta=
 hand <br></strong><strong>v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och</strong> <br><str=
ong>alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvar</strong>a&quot; <br><br>/Erik L=
=F6nroth<br><br>

<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fulgubbe@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">fulgubbe@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span>=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div>On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:<br>&gt; Fann=
s det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen (Gemensam<br>=
&gt; IT i Stockholm)?<br>&gt; =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var i=
nblandad? Skall man inte alltid ha<br>

&gt; med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig f=F6rv=
altning?<br><br></div>Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gn=
ingsunderlag (det =E4r en<br>offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=
=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras registrator). Det<br>

finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger n=E5=
got om<br>att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder o=
ch regioner har<br>s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.<br><br>Sta=
t, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, Lagen om<=
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Offentlig Upphandling.<br><br>Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad in=
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Att det inte finns f=F6rdelar kan v=E4l inte st=E4mma, eftersom det som du =
s=E4ger finns en del os-programvara. Jag gissar att det f=F6r skolan i fr=
=E5ga var billigare att paketera gimp =E4n att f=E5 photoshop licensierat o=
ch paketerat?

Jag tycker det =E4r fel att behandla all os-mjukvara lika. Linux och gimp =
=E4r v=E4ldigt olika saker och kan knappast behandlas, eller r=E4knas p=E5,=
 p=E5 samma s=E4tt. Det kanske inte =E4r f=F6rdelaktigt med linux, men d=E4=
remot med gimp etc.

P=E5 samma s=E4tt som att det inte =E4r givet p=E5 f=F6rhand att exchange =
=E4r b=E4sta epostplattformen bara f=F6r att man r=E5kar k=F6ra windows p=
=E5 desktopen.

Mvh,
Tomas
 =


"Patrik Str=F6mberg" <patrik@cudobh.net> wrote:

>Jag sitter mitt i smeten s=E5 att s=E4ga s=E5 jag kommer att bara h=E5lla =
mig till
>rena fakta (=E4r inte beslutsfattare p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt).
>
>GSIT =E4r Stockholms stads samlade grepp p=E5 en ganska spretig IT-milj=F6=
 vad
>g=E4ller programvaror och h=E5rdvara och dess standard.
>
>Det bygger p=E5 "workstation as service"-konceptet och levereras och drift=
as
>av Volvo IT (med partners).
>
>Allt =E4r byggt p=E5 Microsfts AD och Windows 7,MS-Office 2007,
>Outlook/Exchange. F=F6r elever dessutom Microsofts tj=E4nst Live@EDU som g=
er
>lagring och e-post i "molnet".
>
>Open source har ingen plats i grundplattan som det ser ut idag och s=E4ttet
>att hantera program p=E5 i n=E4tverket g=F6r att Open source inte ger n=E5=
gra av de
>f=F6rdelar det g=F6r p=E5 mindre centraliserad plattform. Program som ska
>installeras m=E5ste vara paketerade (MSI-paket) och certifierade av Volvo =
IT,
>med ganska stor prislapp p=E5 den processen f=F6r best=E4llande enhet.
>
>Trots detta finns en hel del =F6ppen programvara att tillg=E5 i n=E4tet, t=
ack vare
>att framf=F6r allt skolor best=E4llt paketering av dem. Exempel =E4r Audac=
ity,
>GIMP (f=F6r Windows).
>
>Detta var rena fakta, =E5sikterna l=E4mnar jag till er andra.
>
>Mvh,
>Patrik Str=F6mberg
>
>
>
>Den 6 maj 2010 07.18 skrev Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>
>> P=E5 LinkedIn finns en grupp som heter FOSS Sweden.
>>
>> D=E4r finns det en tr=E5d som ber=F6r det h=E4r =E4mnet en aning som jag=
 postade f=F6r
>> n=E5gra dagar sen:
>>
>> *
>> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=3D&discussio=
nID=3D19019578&gid=3D2320203&commentID=3D15740120&goback=3D.anh_2320203&trk=
=3DNUS_DIG_DISC_Q-ucg_mr#commentID_15740120
>>
>> **H=E4r =E4r inl=E4gget:
>>
>> Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga
>> eDelegationens webbplats: http://www.edelegationen.se<http://www.linkedi=
n.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%2Ese&urlhash=3DwEPv>
>>
>>
>> "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
>> v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
>> alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
>>
>> Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=
=E5verkar
>> sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling och=
 kommer
>> p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.
>>
>> Bra att veta f=F6r alla open source freaks.
>> *
>> En l=E4nk til dokumentet hittar man h=E4r:
>> http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eedelegationen%=
2Ese%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDir%2E_2010_32_0%2Epdf&urlhash=3DQzAw
>>
>> D=E4r kan man l=E4sa:
>>
>> "*Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
>> **v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och*
>> *alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvar*a"
>>
>> /Erik L=F6nroth
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>
>>
>>  On Wednesday 05 May 2010 23.41.48 Mikael Bergqvist wrote:
>>> > Fanns det med n=E5got Open Source-alternativ i GSIT-upphandlingen
>>> (Gemensam
>>> > IT i Stockholm)?
>>> > =C4r det n=E5gon som vet? Eller sj=E4lv var inblandad? Skall man inte=
 alltid
>>> ha
>>> > med ett Open Source-alternativ? Eller g=E4ller det bara statlig
>>> f=F6rvaltning?
>>>
>>> Jag var inte med och har inte sett deras f=F6rfr=E5gningsunderlag (det =
=E4r en
>>> offentlig handling s=E5 det =E4r bara att beg=E4ra ut fr=E5n deras regi=
strator).
>>> Det
>>> finns inga krav eller regler eller lagar eller EU-direktiv som s=E4ger =
n=E5got
>>> om
>>> att utv=E4rdera FOSS i en offentlig upphandling. Vissa l=E4nder och reg=
ioner
>>> har
>>> s=E5dana, d=E4r Nederl=E4nderna =E4r tuffast.
>>>
>>> Stat, kommun och landsting lyder under samma lag g=E4llande ink=F6p, La=
gen om
>>> Offentlig Upphandling.
>>>
>>> Min magk=E4nsla s=E4ger att Stockholm stad inte =F6verv=E4gde FOSS =F6.=
h.t. men jag
>>> kan
>>> ha fel.
>>>
>>> /Daniel
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>>>
>>
>>
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Hejsan!

Det =E4r r=E4tt att citatet =E4nnu inte =E4r bindande. Jag hj=E4lpte till i=
 arbetet
med att l=E4mna in remissvaret fr=E5n Open Source Sverige, och nu minns jag=
 inte
exakt vilket datum som man antog sj=E4lva dokumentet, men sj=E4lva strategi=
n
inneh=E5ller just detta citat. Det var ett stort steg fram=E5t att just den
formuleringen kom med.

Remissens utkast var skrivet av tv=E5 stora amerikanska konsultfirmor (n=E5=
gon
som vet hur de fick jobbet?).

2014 ska dock e-delegationens arbete vara klart, och i det l=E4get s=E5 =E4=
r det
klart att:

"Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
  v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
  alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"

Det =E4r viktigt att det h=E4r resultatet, (av h=E5rt lobbyarbete) inte f=
=F6rminskas
genom att man vanf=F6rest=E4ller det h=E4r.

Andra f=F6ljer utvecklingen ocks=E5 och kommer f=F6rmodligen g=F6ra att f=
=F6r att den
typen av formuleringar tas bort.

http://213.132.123.205/2.1085/1.262844/regeringens-rapport-om-oppen-kallkod=
-sagas

D=E4rf=F6r =E4r det viktigt att belysa att just det h=E4r m=E5ste l=E4ggas =
fokus p=E5 fr=E5n
alla som jobbar med FOSS. Annars rinner det av, som regn p=E5 sm=F6rpapper.

/Erik L=F6nroth




2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>

> 2010/5/6 Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>
> > Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga
> > eDelegationens webbplats: http://www.edelegationen.se
> >
> > "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> > v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
> > alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
> >
> > Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det p=
=E5verkar
> > sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling oc=
h
> kommer
> > p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.
>
>
> Detta svarar iofs inte p=E5 Mikaels fr=E5gor och =E4r inte helt korrekt. =
Det
> E-delegationen gjort =E4r att l=E4mna tv=E5 bet=E4nkanden. Dessa =E4r p=
=E5 intet
> s=E4tt bindande f=F6r n=E5gon, utan just bet=E4nkanden. Om Regeringen fat=
tar
> beslut om saker som kommer fr=E5n E-delegationen n=E5gon g=E5ng i framtid=
en
> s=E5 kan vi f=E5 n=E5got att f=F6rh=E5lla oss till. En enskild myndighet =
kan ju
> alltid i sina upphandlingar efterfr=E5ga eller gynna FOSS om dom vill,
> men det =E4r inget nytt.
>
> Den h=E4r typen av resonemang kommer jag att ber=F6ra p=E5 FOSS m=F6te 2.
>
> Jag =E4r, precis som Mikael, nyfiken p=E5 hur Stockholm upphandlade och t=
=E4nkte.
>
> /Daniel
> _______________________________________________
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Hejsan!<br><br>Det =E4r r=E4tt att citatet =E4nnu inte =E4r bindande. Jag h=
j=E4lpte till i arbetet med att l=E4mna in remissvaret fr=E5n Open Source S=
verige, och nu minns jag inte exakt vilket datum som man antog sj=E4lva dok=
umentet, men sj=E4lva strategin inneh=E5ller just detta citat. Det var ett =
stort steg fram=E5t att just den formuleringen kom med.<br>
<br>Remissens utkast var skrivet av tv=E5 stora amerikanska konsultfirmor (=
n=E5gon som vet hur de fick jobbet?).<br><br>2014 ska dock e-delegationens =
arbete vara klart, och i det l=E4get s=E5 =E4r det klart att: <br><br>&quot=
;Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand<br>
=A0 v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och<br>=A0
alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara&quot;<br><br>Det =E4r viktigt att d=
et h=E4r resultatet, (av h=E5rt lobbyarbete) inte f=F6rminskas genom att ma=
n vanf=F6rest=E4ller det h=E4r.<br><br>Andra f=F6ljer utvecklingen ocks=E5 =
och kommer f=F6rmodligen g=F6ra att f=F6r att den typen av formuleringar ta=
s bort.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://213.132.123.205/2.1085/1.262844/regeringens-rapport-o=
m-oppen-kallkod-sagas">http://213.132.123.205/2.1085/1.262844/regeringens-r=
apport-om-oppen-kallkod-sagas</a><br><br>D=E4rf=F6r =E4r det viktigt att be=
lysa att just det h=E4r m=E5ste l=E4ggas fokus p=E5 fr=E5n alla som jobbar =
med FOSS. Annars rinner det av, som regn p=E5 sm=F6rpapper.<br>
<br>/Erik L=F6nroth<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/6 =
Daniel Melin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fulgubbe@gmail.com">fu=
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2010/5/6 Erik L=F6nroth &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.lonroth@gmail.com">erik.=
lonroth@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Ett citat fr=E5n den statliga<br>
&gt; eDelegationens webbplats: <a href=3D"http://www.edelegationen.se" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.edelegationen.se</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand<br>
&gt; v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och<br>
&gt; alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Det =E4r n=E5got som alla som jobbar med FOSS b=F6r k=E4nna till. Det =
p=E5verkar<br>
&gt; sj=E4lvklart upphandling och kravst=E4llning i offentlig upphandling o=
ch kommer<br>
&gt; p=E5verka =F6vriga marknaden i f=F6rl=E4ngningen.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Detta svarar iofs inte p=E5 Mikaels fr=E5gor och =E4r inte helt korre=
kt. Det<br>
E-delegationen gjort =E4r att l=E4mna tv=E5 bet=E4nkanden. Dessa =E4r p=E5 =
intet<br>
s=E4tt bindande f=F6r n=E5gon, utan just bet=E4nkanden. Om Regeringen fatta=
r<br>
beslut om saker som kommer fr=E5n E-delegationen n=E5gon g=E5ng i framtiden=
<br>
s=E5 kan vi f=E5 n=E5got att f=F6rh=E5lla oss till. En enskild myndighet ka=
n ju<br>
alltid i sina upphandlingar efterfr=E5ga eller gynna FOSS om dom vill,<br>
men det =E4r inget nytt.<br>
<br>
Den h=E4r typen av resonemang kommer jag att ber=F6ra p=E5 FOSS m=F6te 2.<b=
r>
<br>
Jag =E4r, precis som Mikael, nyfiken p=E5 hur Stockholm upphandlade och t=
=E4nkte.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
/Daniel<br>
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2010/5/6 Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
>
> 2014 ska dock e-delegationens arbete vara klart, och i det l=E4get s=E5 =
=E4r det
> klart att:
>
> "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> =A0 v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
> =A0 alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
>
> Det =E4r viktigt att det h=E4r resultatet, (av h=E5rt lobbyarbete) inte f=
=F6rminskas
> genom att man vanf=F6rest=E4ller det h=E4r.
>
> Andra f=F6ljer utvecklingen ocks=E5 och kommer f=F6rmodligen g=F6ra att f=
=F6r att den
> typen av formuleringar tas bort.
>
> D=E4rf=F6r =E4r det viktigt att belysa att just det h=E4r m=E5ste l=E4gga=
s fokus p=E5 fr=E5n
> alla som jobbar med FOSS. Annars rinner det av, som regn p=E5 sm=F6rpappe=
r.


Det var inte min mening att vare sig f=F6rminska eller vanf=F6rest=E4lla.
Jag ville bara po=E4ngtera vad E-delegationens dokument har f=F6r status
just nu. Jag tror inte det =E4r s=E5 l=E4tt f=F6r den som inte =E4r insatt =
att
f=F6rst=E5 alla nyanser i en politiserad process som denna.

Vilken effekt E-delegationens bet=E4nkanden har kommer vi nog att f=E5 se
i olika strategidokument vad det lider. Ett tips =E4r att l=E4sa
resultatet av detta projekt om n=E5gra veckor:
http://www.avropa.se/templates/rfqnotice____3904.aspx

/Daniel
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6 maj 2010 kl. 09.19 skrev Erik L=F6nroth:

> Hejsan!
> =

> Det =E4r r=E4tt att citatet =E4nnu inte =E4r bindande. Jag hj=E4lpte till=
 i arbetet med att l=E4mna in remissvaret fr=E5n Open Source Sverige, och n=
u minns jag inte exakt vilket datum som man antog sj=E4lva dokumentet, men =
sj=E4lva strategin inneh=E5ller just detta citat. Det var ett stort steg fr=
am=E5t att just den formuleringen kom med.
> =

> Remissens utkast var skrivet av tv=E5 stora amerikanska konsultfirmor (n=
=E5gon som vet hur de fick jobbet?).
> =

> 2014 ska dock e-delegationens arbete vara klart, och i det l=E4get s=E5 =
=E4r det klart att: =

> =

> "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
>   v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
>   alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
> =

> Det =E4r viktigt att det h=E4r resultatet, (av h=E5rt lobbyarbete) inte f=
=F6rminskas genom att man vanf=F6rest=E4ller det h=E4r.
> =

> Andra f=F6ljer utvecklingen ocks=E5 och kommer f=F6rmodligen g=F6ra att f=
=F6r att den typen av formuleringar tas bort.
> =

> http://213.132.123.205/2.1085/1.262844/regeringens-rapport-om-oppen-kallk=
od-sagas
> =

> D=E4rf=F6r =E4r det viktigt att belysa att just det h=E4r m=E5ste l=E4gga=
s fokus p=E5 fr=E5n alla som jobbar med FOSS. Annars rinner det av, som reg=
n p=E5 sm=F6rpapper.
> =

Ett stort problem =E4r att det saknas tillr=E4ckligt starka leverant=F6rer =
som kan l=E4gga anbud i offentliga upphandlingar p=E5 ett professionellt s=
=E4tt och vinna med =F6ppen k=E4llkod.  Som Valentino Berti s=E4ger i artik=
eln du pekar p=E5 - man erbjuder vad kunden vill ha. Vi m=E5ste =E4ndra p=
=E5 vad kunden vill ha och hur man g=F6r upphandlingar. I Oslo vann vi en u=
pphandling d=E4r det stod att man kr=E4vde =F6ppen k=E4llkod. Samma sak i P=
ortugal d=E4r man favoriserade =F6ppen k=E4llkod. Vi vann mycket p=E5 grund=
 av kompetens och att alternativen fr=E5n kommersiella akt=F6rer inte kunde=
 l=E4sa upphandlingen och blev f=F6r dyra och inte f=F6ljde specifikationen=
 (=F6ppna protokoll). =


Citatet ovan =E4r viktigt, f=F6r det g=F6r att man inte medvetet kan uteslu=
ta =F6ppen programvara i upphandlingar. Det =E4r ett stort steg. Men det be=
tyder inte att leverant=F6rerna vinner av sig sj=E4lva - man m=E5ste ha tro=
v=E4rdighet i helheten. Det betyder inte att kunden =F6nskar eller tror p=
=E5 =F6ppen programvara. Det m=E5ste vi forts=E4tta jobba med.


/O


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Hejsan!

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6 maj 2010 kl. 11.26 skrev Daniel Stenberg:

> Hejsan!
> =

> Dags att ladda upp f=F6r en skoj h=F6st. Ladda upp era snack och b=F6rja =
fundera...
> =

> "Tisdagen den 26:e oktober kommer vi inom foss-sthlm att presentera en =
=E4nnu icke best=E4md, men helt garanterat en mycket intressant radda med f=
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d massor av det praktiska runt detta och vi kommer att h=E5lla tillst=E4lln=
ingen i anslutning till den stora konferensen Internetdagarna 2010."
> =

> Hela artikeln finns p=E5:
> =

>   http://www.internetdagarna.se/track/ip-och-infrastruktur/foss-mote-26-o=
kt

Snyggt jobbat, Daniel! Grattis.

/O
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2010/5/6 Olle E. Johansson <oej@edvina.net>

>
> 6 maj 2010 kl. 11.26 skrev Daniel Stenberg:
>
> > Hejsan!
> >
> > Dags att ladda upp f=C3=B6r en skoj h=C3=B6st. Ladda upp era snack och =
b=C3=B6rja
> fundera...
> >
> > "Tisdagen den 26:e oktober kommer vi inom foss-sthlm att presentera en
> =C3=A4nnu icke best=C3=A4md, men helt garanterat en mycket intressant rad=
da med
> f=C3=B6redrag som h=C3=A5lls av n=C3=A5gra av de mest insatta och mest me=
riterade FOSSarna
> som regionen och kanske hela landet kan erbjuda. .SE hj=C3=A4lper oss med=
 massor
> av det praktiska runt detta och vi kommer att h=C3=A5lla tillst=C3=A4llni=
ngen i
> anslutning till den stora konferensen Internetdagarna 2010."
> >
> > Hela artikeln finns p=C3=A5:
> >
> >
> http://www.internetdagarna.se/track/ip-och-infrastruktur/foss-mote-26-okt
>
> Snyggt jobbat, Daniel! Grattis.
>
> /O
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Riktigt h=C3=A4rligt att h=C3=B6ra!
Ska bli intressant och se vad vi kan =C3=A5stakomma med foss sthlm, kanske =
kan vi
f=C3=A5 mer =C3=A4n de mer insatta att f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5 FOSS?

Eftersom jag slutar p=C3=A5 mitt nuvarande jobb och verkar som att jag komm=
er f=C3=A5
ett jobb i Kista s=C3=A5 blir det enklare f=C3=B6r mig att komma till foss =
m=C3=B6tena, ser
fram emot #2.

Mvh
Daniel Kuehn

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<div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/6 Olle E. Johansson <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:oej@edvina.net">oej@edvina.net</a>&gt;</span><br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
6 maj 2010 kl. 11.26 skrev Daniel Stenberg:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; Hejsan!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Dags att ladda upp f=C3=B6r en skoj h=C3=B6st. Ladda upp era snack och=
 b=C3=B6rja fundera...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;Tisdagen den 26:e oktober kommer vi inom foss-sthlm att presente=
ra en =C3=A4nnu icke best=C3=A4md, men helt garanterat en mycket intressant=
 radda med f=C3=B6redrag som h=C3=A5lls av n=C3=A5gra av de mest insatta oc=
h mest meriterade FOSSarna som regionen och kanske hela landet kan erbjuda.=
 .SE hj=C3=A4lper oss med massor av det praktiska runt detta och vi kommer =
att h=C3=A5lla tillst=C3=A4llningen i anslutning till den stora konferensen=
 Internetdagarna 2010.&quot;<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Hela artikeln finns p=C3=A5:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.internetdagarna.se/track/ip-och-infrastru=
ktur/foss-mote-26-okt" target=3D"_blank">http://www.internetdagarna.se/trac=
k/ip-och-infrastruktur/foss-mote-26-okt</a><br>
<br>
</div></div>Snyggt jobbat, Daniel! Grattis.<br>
<br>
/O<br>
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=3D"_blank">http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div>Riktigt h=C3=A4rligt att h=C3=B6ra!<div>S=
ka bli intressant och se vad vi kan =C3=A5stakomma med foss sthlm, kanske k=
an vi f=C3=A5 mer =C3=A4n de mer insatta att f=C3=B6rst=C3=A5 FOSS?</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Eftersom jag slutar p=C3=A5 mitt nuvarande jobb och verka=
r som att jag kommer f=C3=A5 ett jobb i Kista s=C3=A5 blir det enklare f=C3=
=B6r mig att komma till foss m=C3=B6tena, ser fram emot #2.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Mvh<br>Daniel Kuehn=C2=A0<br></div></div>

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2010/5/6 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>
>
> 2010/5/6 Erik L=F6nroth <erik.lonroth@gmail.com>:
> >
> > 2014 ska dock e-delegationens arbete vara klart, och i det l=E4get s=E5=
 =E4r det
> > klart att:
> >
> > "Myndigheterna ska i f=F6rsta hand
> > =A0 v=E4lja =F6ppna standarder och
> > =A0 alltid =F6verv=E4ga =F6ppen programvara"
> >
> > Det =E4r viktigt att det h=E4r resultatet, (av h=E5rt lobbyarbete) inte=
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> > genom att man vanf=F6rest=E4ller det h=E4r.
> >
> > Andra f=F6ljer utvecklingen ocks=E5 och kommer f=F6rmodligen g=F6ra att=
 f=F6r att den
> > typen av formuleringar tas bort.
> >
> > D=E4rf=F6r =E4r det viktigt att belysa att just det h=E4r m=E5ste l=E4g=
gas fokus p=E5 fr=E5n
> > alla som jobbar med FOSS. Annars rinner det av, som regn p=E5 sm=F6rpap=
per.
>
>
> Det var inte min mening att vare sig f=F6rminska eller vanf=F6rest=E4lla.
> Jag ville bara po=E4ngtera vad E-delegationens dokument har f=F6r status
> just nu. Jag tror inte det =E4r s=E5 l=E4tt f=F6r den som inte =E4r insat=
t att
> f=F6rst=E5 alla nyanser i en politiserad process som denna.
>
> Vilken effekt E-delegationens bet=E4nkanden har kommer vi nog att f=E5 se
> i olika strategidokument vad det lider. Ett tips =E4r att l=E4sa
> resultatet av detta projekt om n=E5gra veckor:
> http://www.avropa.se/templates/rfqnotice____3904.aspx
>
> /Daniel
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Aha!

Det d=E4r var j=E4ttebra information! =C4r det n=E5gon som varit i kontaktat
med ylva.loven.anderson@kammarkollegiet.se ?

Det projektet, "F=F6rstudie Programvaror och tj=E4nster", borde man
absolut h=E5lla ett =F6ga p=E5 n=E4r det resultatet kommer fram.

Om inte annat s=E5 =E4r jag s=E4ker p=E5 att "Bj=F6rn Lundell, Forskare vid
H=F6gskolan i Sk=F6vde, e-post: bjorn.lundell@his.se " borde vara
intresserad... D.v.s. om han inte redan har koll p=E5 det.... =3D)

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Underbart!

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> Date: Thu=2C 6 May 2010 11:26:31 +0200
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> Subject: foss-sthlm p=E5 Internetdagarna 2010
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> Hejsan!
>=20
> Dags att ladda upp f=F6r en skoj h=F6st. Ladda upp era snack och b=F6rja =
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> "Tisdagen den 26:e oktober kommer vi inom foss-sthlm att presentera en =
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> och kanske hela landet kan erbjuda. .SE hj=E4lper oss med massor av det=20
> praktiska runt detta och vi kommer att h=E5lla tillst=E4llningen i anslut=
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> den stora konferensen Internetdagarna 2010."
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> Hela artikeln finns p=E5:
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>     http://www.internetdagarna.se/track/ip-och-infrastruktur/foss-mote-26=
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> --=20
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On Fri, 7 May 2010, Martin Jernberg wrote:

> 4-5000 är tyvärr lite dyrt för mig som Student och Halvtidsanställd, men 
> dyker gärna upp och kollar det nån annan gång, annars dyker jag upp på alla 
> gratis events i Framtiden typ :)

Låt mig klargöra:

foss-sthlm-mötet på Internetdagarna blir _gratis_ att delta på, precis som vår 
långa stolta tradition påbjuder. Arrangemanget hålls i anslutning till 
Internetdagarna, men är inte en egentlig del av den konferensen.

Det kommer att finnas en foss-komponent på själva konferensen Internetdagarna 
också onsdagen den 27:e, men den är separat och har inte någon direkt koppling 
till vårt foss-sthlm-möte tisdagen den 26:e.

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k=E4llor d=E4r finns ett hemligt avtal om att de inte f=E5r anv=E4nda n=E5g=
on  =

FOSS =F6ver huvud taget, mot att de f=E5r Office och Windows gratis.

Mycket av terminologin p=E5 techsoupglobal.org =E4r ocks=E5 gjord f=F6r att=
  =

missf=F6rst=E5s - ex ord som NGOsource som inte betyder n=E5got.

Denna verksamhet borde verkligen inte f=E5 st=E5 oemotsagd. Vad tycker ni?

V=E4nligen,
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Robin Harms Oredsson wrote:
> Projektet bygger p=E5 att se till att ideella organisationer f=E5r
> proprit=E4r programvara billigare eller gratis. Det finns en global
> motsvarighet: http://www.techsoupglobal.org

Faktum =E4r att det aldrig =E4r gratis, bara billigt. M=E5h=E4nda =E4r prog=
ramvaran donerad till Techsoup, men d=E4r slutar givmildheten. Techsoup tar=
 alltid ut en "f=F6rmedlingsavgift" f=F6r varje licens. Och det =E4r inga s=
ymboliska sm=E5summor heller, vissa licenser kostar =F6ver $100 styck.

> Mycket av terminologin p=E5 techsoupglobal.org =E4r ocks=E5 gjord f=F6r a=
tt
> missf=F6rst=E5s - ex ord som NGOsource som inte betyder n=E5got.

Dock verkar det som att TechSoup =E4r en "riktig" organisation och inte bar=
a ytterligare ett PR-p=E5hitt av Microsoft. TechSoup hette tidigare CompuMe=
ntor och har drivit den h=E4r "filantropiska" verksamheten sedan 80-talet. =
Dock har hela tiden Microsoft varit den =F6verl=E4gset st=F6rsta partnern.

Man kan spekulera om orsaken till att de v=E4ljer att forts=E4tta f=F6respr=
=E5ka kommersiell programvara trots att de flesta mottagande organisationer=
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=E5s en m=F6jlig orsak.

=C5 ena sidan =E4r TechSoup en "non-profit organization", s=E5 det finns in=
gen =E4gare som plockar ut vinst. =C5 andra sidan finansierar partnerskapet=
 med Microsoft och andra inte mindre =E4n 180 heltidstj=E4nster. Och vem vi=
ll s=E5ga av den gren man sitter p=E5?

Naturligtvis skulle man teoretiskt kunna k=F6ra samma modell men ers=E4tta =
den propriet=E4ra programvaran med fri s=E5dan, avgifterna =E4r ju inte f=
=F6r programvaran i sig. Men det =E4r gissningsvis sv=E5rt att f=E5 mottaga=
rna av "v=E4lg=F6renheten" att betala f=F6rmedlingsavgift f=F6r gratis prog=
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Robin Harms Oredsson <robin@betahaus.net> writes:

> Denna verksamhet borde verkligen inte f=E5 st=E5 oemotsagd. Vad tycker ni?

FSF har jobbat med CiviCRM f=F6r att ers=E4tta liknande l=F6sningar:

http://www.fsf.org/news/nonprofit-fundraising-civicrm

Ett effektivt s=E4tt =E4r nog att jobba inom den non-profit-organisation man
tycker om med att ers=E4tta propriet=E4ra system med CiviCRM eller andra
l=F6sningar som bygger p=E5 fri mjukvara, =E4ven om denna metod nog tar tid.

/Simon
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2010/5/10 Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>:
> Robin Harms Oredsson <robin@betahaus.net> writes:
>
> FSF har jobbat med CiviCRM f=F6r att ers=E4tta liknande l=F6sningar:

Tv=E4rtom, CiviCRM =E4r utvecklat av ett Piratparti(minns inte vilket),
och de har sl=E4ppt det fritt. Sedan s=E5 har FSF g=E5tt ut med att de
st=F6djer CiviCRM och =E4ven b=F6rjat anv=E4nda det.

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Elis Axelsson <elis.axelsson@gmail.com> writes:

> 2010/5/10 Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>:
>> Robin Harms Oredsson <robin@betahaus.net> writes:
>>
>> FSF har jobbat med CiviCRM f=F6r att ers=E4tta liknande l=F6sningar:
>
> Tv=E4rtom, CiviCRM =E4r utvecklat av ett Piratparti(minns inte vilket),
> och de har sl=E4ppt det fritt. Sedan s=E5 har FSF g=E5tt ut med att de
> st=F6djer CiviCRM och =E4ven b=F6rjat anv=E4nda det.

Det var det jag menade med "jobbat med", jag avs=E5g inte att p=E5st=E5 att
FSF skrivit koden (de skriver n=E4stan ingen kod alls l=E4ngre).

/Simon
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70 pers p=E5 pubben om alla best=E4mmer sig f=F6r att =F6l smakar gott (vil=
ket det
g=F6r...)

Vilken pub f=E5r man plats p=E5 d=E5? Kvarnen?

// Adde

2010/5/12 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>

> Mors!
>
> Jag ville bara ber=E4tta att vi n=E5tt upp till den magiska
> 100-personer-anm=E4lda gr=E4nsen, och det =E4r skitkul. Om du fortfarande=
 inte
> anm=E4lt dig, g=F6r det nu!
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> =D6ver 50 pers har sagt ja till att h=E4nga med p=E5 puben efter=E5t, och
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> Vi ses om en vecka!
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g, g=F6r det nu!<br>
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=D6ver 50 pers har sagt ja till att h=E4nga med p=E5 puben efter=E5t, och y=
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On Wed, 12 May 2010, Andreas Hedström wrote:

> 70 pers på pubben om alla bestämmer sig för att öl smakar gott (vilket det 
> gör...)
>
> Vilken pub får man plats på då? Kvarnen?

Vi kör på Copperfields, Fridhemsplan, precis som förra gången. De har plats 
och vi har snackat med dem så de vet att en hel hord med folk kommer...

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Hej,

En liten p=E5minnelse om nedan som var inf=F6r m=F6te #1 men eftersom jag l=
=E5g hemma i influensa s=E5 blir det #2 ist=E4llet.

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> nu n=E4r det bara =E4r en vecka kvar tills tr=E4ff #1 och vi =E4r r=E4tt =
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> Skicka svaren direkt till mig claes@surfar.nu och inte till listan tack.
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> Inom [ ] s=E4tt ett X, *, O eller annat l=E4mpligt tecken (unicode codepo=
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> Tack f=F6r svar
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> =

> 2) H=F6gsta utbildning
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> =

> 3) Hur jag blev involverad / varf=F6r jag b=F6rjade anv=E4nda F/OSS
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> =

> =

> 4) Aktiviteter inom F/OSS
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> [ ] Dokumentation, antal =E5r: __
> [ ] Utveckling, antal =E5r: __
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> =

> Om ni har lust att specificera fr=E5ga 4 mer detaljerat s=E5 kopiera och =
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> X) Projekt: __________
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Hej!

Min kalender =E4r full f=F6r sommaren s=E5 jag kommer inte delta. D=E4remot
t=E4nker jag p=E5 en sak som ni beh=F6ver t=E4nka p=E5. Det g=E4ller att v=
=E4lja en
scoutstuga som har str=F6m f=F6r att ladda laptops och mobiler samt kanske
driva n=E5gon station=E4ra datorer och en projektor (om ni ska ha
f=F6rel=E4sningar). Vissa scoutstugor har n=E4tt och j=E4mt str=F6m f=F6r a=
tt driva
vattenpumpen (om vatten finns) samt lite belysning.

Ett urvalskriteria kan vara att det finns en riktigt spis med ugn f=F6r d=
=E5
finns det s=E4kert 3-fas 10A. Finns bara kokplatta och endast braskamin
som uppv=E4rming kan det vara v=E4rre med str=F6m.

Lycka till!

// Mem



Den 2010-04-29 19:08, Arvid Fahlstr=F6m Myrman skrev:
> Att det handlar om camping =E4r v=E4l lite hela id=E9n (notera titeln =

> summer_camp_), men att ha n=E5got LAN-liknande (eller hur du nu t=E4nkte =

> dig) i t.ex en skolsal kan ju alltid l=E4ggas fram som en separat id=E9, =
sen =

> kan det kanske h=E4nda att fler =E4r intresserade av det =E4n att campa, =

> men det f=E5r vi se d=E5.
> =

> Och f=F6rresten, jag kan inte heller p=E5st=E5 mig vara en skogsmulle, me=
n =

> jag tycker =E4nd=E5 att det kan vara en kul grej =E4ven om jag inte campa=
r =

> vanligtvis (tror bara jag gjort det en eller tv=E5 g=E5nger i mitt - viss=
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> =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge korta - liv) :) Men om du vill f=E5 en id=E9 om hur det=
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> t=E4nkt som n=E5got liknande. Kolla in bilderna d=E4r.
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Det =E4r en sak jag har t=E4nkt p=E5 att ha med som kriterium redan :)

Den 19 maj 2010 11.18 skrev Magnus Sandberg <mem@netnod.se>:
> Hej!
>
> Min kalender =E4r full f=F6r sommaren s=E5 jag kommer inte delta. D=E4rem=
ot
> t=E4nker jag p=E5 en sak som ni beh=F6ver t=E4nka p=E5. Det g=E4ller att =
v=E4lja en
> scoutstuga som har str=F6m f=F6r att ladda laptops och mobiler samt kanske
> driva n=E5gon station=E4ra datorer och en projektor (om ni ska ha
> f=F6rel=E4sningar). Vissa scoutstugor har n=E4tt och j=E4mt str=F6m f=F6r=
 att driva
> vattenpumpen (om vatten finns) samt lite belysning.
>
> Ett urvalskriteria kan vara att det finns en riktigt spis med ugn f=F6r d=
=E5
> finns det s=E4kert 3-fas 10A. Finns bara kokplatta och endast braskamin
> som uppv=E4rming kan det vara v=E4rre med str=F6m.
>
> Lycka till!
>
> // Mem
>
>
>
> Den 2010-04-29 19:08, Arvid Fahlstr=F6m Myrman skrev:
>> Att det handlar om camping =E4r v=E4l lite hela id=E9n (notera titeln
>> summer_camp_), men att ha n=E5got LAN-liknande (eller hur du nu t=E4nkte
>> dig) i t.ex en skolsal kan ju alltid l=E4ggas fram som en separat id=E9,=
 sen
>> kan det kanske h=E4nda att fler =E4r intresserade av det =E4n att campa,
>> men det f=E5r vi se d=E5.
>>
>> Och f=F6rresten, jag kan inte heller p=E5st=E5 mig vara en skogsmulle, m=
en
>> jag tycker =E4nd=E5 att det kan vara en kul grej =E4ven om jag inte camp=
ar
>> vanligtvis (tror bara jag gjort det en eller tv=E5 g=E5nger i mitt - vis=
serligen
>> =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge korta - liv) :) Men om du vill f=E5 en id=E9 om hur de=
t kan se ut
>> s=E5 l=E4nkade n=E5gon http://har2009.org/ i #foss-sthlm, tydligen var d=
et
>> t=E4nkt som n=E5got liknande. Kolla in bilderna d=E4r.
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Med en massa laptops kanske inte str=F6mf=F6rbrukningen blir s=E5 j=E4tte, =
eller?

Den 19 maj 2010 12.37 skrev Adam H <adisbladis@m68k.se>:

> Det =E4r en sak jag har t=E4nkt p=E5 att ha med som kriterium redan :)
>
> Den 19 maj 2010 11.18 skrev Magnus Sandberg <mem@netnod.se>:
> > Hej!
> >
> > Min kalender =E4r full f=F6r sommaren s=E5 jag kommer inte delta. D=E4r=
emot
> > t=E4nker jag p=E5 en sak som ni beh=F6ver t=E4nka p=E5. Det g=E4ller at=
t v=E4lja en
> > scoutstuga som har str=F6m f=F6r att ladda laptops och mobiler samt kan=
ske
> > driva n=E5gon station=E4ra datorer och en projektor (om ni ska ha
> > f=F6rel=E4sningar). Vissa scoutstugor har n=E4tt och j=E4mt str=F6m f=
=F6r att driva
> > vattenpumpen (om vatten finns) samt lite belysning.
> >
> > Ett urvalskriteria kan vara att det finns en riktigt spis med ugn f=F6r=
 d=E5
> > finns det s=E4kert 3-fas 10A. Finns bara kokplatta och endast braskamin
> > som uppv=E4rming kan det vara v=E4rre med str=F6m.
> >
> > Lycka till!
> >
> > // Mem
> >
> >
> >
> > Den 2010-04-29 19:08, Arvid Fahlstr=F6m Myrman skrev:
> >> Att det handlar om camping =E4r v=E4l lite hela id=E9n (notera titeln
> >> summer_camp_), men att ha n=E5got LAN-liknande (eller hur du nu t=E4nk=
te
> >> dig) i t.ex en skolsal kan ju alltid l=E4ggas fram som en separat id=
=E9, sen
> >> kan det kanske h=E4nda att fler =E4r intresserade av det =E4n att camp=
a,
> >> men det f=E5r vi se d=E5.
> >>
> >> Och f=F6rresten, jag kan inte heller p=E5st=E5 mig vara en skogsmulle,=
 men
> >> jag tycker =E4nd=E5 att det kan vara en kul grej =E4ven om jag inte ca=
mpar
> >> vanligtvis (tror bara jag gjort det en eller tv=E5 g=E5nger i mitt -
> visserligen
> >> =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge korta - liv) :) Men om du vill f=E5 en id=E9 om hur =
det kan se
> ut
> >> s=E5 l=E4nkade n=E5gon http://har2009.org/ i #foss-sthlm, tydligen var=
 det
> >> t=E4nkt som n=E5got liknande. Kolla in bilderna d=E4r.
> > _______________________________________________
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Med en massa laptops kanske inte str=F6mf=F6rbrukningen blir s=E5 j=E4tte, =
eller?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 19 maj 2010 12.37 skrev Adam H=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adisbladis@m68k.se">adisbladis@m68=
k.se</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Det =E4r en sak j=
ag har t=E4nkt p=E5 att ha med som kriterium redan :)<br>
<br>
Den 19 maj 2010 11.18 skrev Magnus Sandberg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mem@netno=
d.se">mem@netnod.se</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Hej!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Min kalender =E4r full f=F6r sommaren s=E5 jag kommer inte delta. D=E4=
remot<br>
&gt; t=E4nker jag p=E5 en sak som ni beh=F6ver t=E4nka p=E5. Det g=E4ller a=
tt v=E4lja en<br>
&gt; scoutstuga som har str=F6m f=F6r att ladda laptops och mobiler samt ka=
nske<br>
&gt; driva n=E5gon station=E4ra datorer och en projektor (om ni ska ha<br>
&gt; f=F6rel=E4sningar). Vissa scoutstugor har n=E4tt och j=E4mt str=F6m f=
=F6r att driva<br>
&gt; vattenpumpen (om vatten finns) samt lite belysning.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ett urvalskriteria kan vara att det finns en riktigt spis med ugn f=F6=
r d=E5<br>
&gt; finns det s=E4kert 3-fas 10A. Finns bara kokplatta och endast braskami=
n<br>
&gt; som uppv=E4rming kan det vara v=E4rre med str=F6m.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Lycka till!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; // Mem<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Den 2010-04-29 19:08, Arvid Fahlstr=F6m Myrman skrev:<br>
&gt;&gt; Att det handlar om camping =E4r v=E4l lite hela id=E9n (notera tit=
eln<br>
&gt;&gt; summer_camp_), men att ha n=E5got LAN-liknande (eller hur du nu t=
=E4nkte<br>
&gt;&gt; dig) i t.ex en skolsal kan ju alltid l=E4ggas fram som en separat =
id=E9, sen<br>
&gt;&gt; kan det kanske h=E4nda att fler =E4r intresserade av det =E4n att =
campa,<br>
&gt;&gt; men det f=E5r vi se d=E5.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Och f=F6rresten, jag kan inte heller p=E5st=E5 mig vara en skogsmu=
lle, men<br>
&gt;&gt; jag tycker =E4nd=E5 att det kan vara en kul grej =E4ven om jag int=
e campar<br>
&gt;&gt; vanligtvis (tror bara jag gjort det en eller tv=E5 g=E5nger i mitt=
 - visserligen<br>
&gt;&gt; =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge korta - liv) :) Men om du vill f=E5 en id=E9 om =
hur det kan se ut<br>
&gt;&gt; s=E5 l=E4nkade n=E5gon <a href=3D"http://har2009.org/" target=3D"_=
blank">http://har2009.org/</a> i #foss-sthlm, tydligen var det<br>
&gt;&gt; t=E4nkt som n=E5got liknande. Kolla in bilderna d=E4r.<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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Med moderna laptops blir den ju iaf tillr=E4ckligt p=E5taglig f=F6r att det
ska vara v=E4rt att ta i ber=E4kningen.

Den 19 maj 2010 12.51 skrev Bj=F6rn G=F6ransson <bornemix@gmail.com>:
> Med en massa laptops kanske inte str=F6mf=F6rbrukningen blir s=E5 j=E4tte=
, eller?
>
> Den 19 maj 2010 12.37 skrev Adam H <adisbladis@m68k.se>:
>>
>> Det =E4r en sak jag har t=E4nkt p=E5 att ha med som kriterium redan :)
>>
>> Den 19 maj 2010 11.18 skrev Magnus Sandberg <mem@netnod.se>:
>> > Hej!
>> >
>> > Min kalender =E4r full f=F6r sommaren s=E5 jag kommer inte delta. D=E4=
remot
>> > t=E4nker jag p=E5 en sak som ni beh=F6ver t=E4nka p=E5. Det g=E4ller a=
tt v=E4lja en
>> > scoutstuga som har str=F6m f=F6r att ladda laptops och mobiler samt ka=
nske
>> > driva n=E5gon station=E4ra datorer och en projektor (om ni ska ha
>> > f=F6rel=E4sningar). Vissa scoutstugor har n=E4tt och j=E4mt str=F6m f=
=F6r att driva
>> > vattenpumpen (om vatten finns) samt lite belysning.
>> >
>> > Ett urvalskriteria kan vara att det finns en riktigt spis med ugn f=F6=
r d=E5
>> > finns det s=E4kert 3-fas 10A. Finns bara kokplatta och endast braskamin
>> > som uppv=E4rming kan det vara v=E4rre med str=F6m.
>> >
>> > Lycka till!
>> >
>> > // Mem
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Den 2010-04-29 19:08, Arvid Fahlstr=F6m Myrman skrev:
>> >> Att det handlar om camping =E4r v=E4l lite hela id=E9n (notera titeln
>> >> summer_camp_), men att ha n=E5got LAN-liknande (eller hur du nu t=E4n=
kte
>> >> dig) i t.ex en skolsal kan ju alltid l=E4ggas fram som en separat id=
=E9,
>> >> sen
>> >> kan det kanske h=E4nda att fler =E4r intresserade av det =E4n att cam=
pa,
>> >> men det f=E5r vi se d=E5.
>> >>
>> >> Och f=F6rresten, jag kan inte heller p=E5st=E5 mig vara en skogsmulle=
, men
>> >> jag tycker =E4nd=E5 att det kan vara en kul grej =E4ven om jag inte c=
ampar
>> >> vanligtvis (tror bara jag gjort det en eller tv=E5 g=E5nger i mitt -
>> >> visserligen
>> >> =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge korta - liv) :) Men om du vill f=E5 en id=E9 om hur=
 det kan se
>> >> ut
>> >> s=E5 l=E4nkade n=E5gon http://har2009.org/ i #foss-sthlm, tydligen va=
r det
>> >> t=E4nkt som n=E5got liknande. Kolla in bilderna d=E4r.
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Hej!

Idag under min dragning om Smalltalk idag reagerade n=E5gon (vet ej namn!) =

kring vad jag sade om SIMULA och dess roll i historien om objektorientering.

Jag kommer inte ih=E5g exakt vad jag sa, men *det jag f=F6rs=F6kte s=E4ga* =
var =

att SIMULA, trots att SIMULA vid tiden hade flera av de viktigaste =

bitarna f=F6r OO p=E5 plats - inte f=F6rdes fram som "object oriented" (ter=
men =

anses skapad av Alan Kay senare), inte beskrevs som ett "general =

purpose" paradigm f=F6r programmering (utan mer som ett s=E4tt att enklare =

skapa simuleringar) och inte presenterades som ett "nytt s=E4tt" att =

programmera.

*D=E4remot* kan man i efterhand notera att flera av OOs grundstenar fanns =

d=E4ri - men som n=E5gon p=E5pekat, det hade SketchPad ocks=E5 och var fler=
a =E5r =

tidigare.

N=E5gra ytterligare k=E4llor kring denna "klassiska OO-fr=E5ga":

http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/EarlyHistoryST.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
http://ootips.org/history.html
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/events/advsem03/ReedOOP.pdf

Och en elak anekdot f=F6rresten:

P=E5 OOPSLA =E5r... tja, 2008 tror jag, d=E5 hade man en paneldebatt om SIM=
ULA =

f=F6r att fira 40 =E5r tror jag. Hur som helst, James Gosling (!) var med i =

panelen och det visade sig att han kunde mycket om SIMULA och till och =

med fixat buggar i kompilatorn tror jag.

Fr=E5n det tillf=E4llet omv=E4rderade jag James Gosling; tidigare hade jag =

urs=E4ktat hans skapande av Java som ett uttryck av historiel=F6shet - jag =

utgick fr=E5n att han helt enkelt inte "visste b=E4ttre"! Men det gjorde ha=
n =

allts=E5, och s=E5lunda vet jag inte l=E4ngre vad han har f=F6r urs=E4kt...=
 ;)

mvh G=F6ran

PS. Hoppas att min 40-minuters turbodragning var intressant, ifall ni =

har fr=E5gor om Smalltalk, hur man b=E4st kommer ig=E5ng blablabla, s=E5 fr=
=E5ga =

p=E5! Och ifall n=E5gon fattar tycke och g=E4rna vill aktivera sig i =

Smalltalks "=F6ppen k=E4llkodsv=E4rld" s=E5 prata med mig!
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Hej!

D=E5 jag en g=E5ng, i forntiden (i datalogisk mening, det var tidigt =

80-tal), l=E4ste p=E5 Universitetet/KTH s=E5 anv=E4ndes Simula som f=F6rsta=
 och =

fr=E4msta programmeringsspr=E5k p=E5 dom inledande kurserna.
Allt vad ett OO-spr=E5k ska ha fanns d=E4r (om man nu inte f=F6rl=E4st sig =
p=E5 =

Bertrand Meyers definition i hans (i =F6vrigt) utm=E4rkta bok =

"Object-Oriented Software Construction", fast f=F6rsta upplagan kom 1988, =

dvs klart senare =E4n d=E5 jag l=E4ste dessa kurser, i vilken v=E4l bara Ei=
ffel =

platsar som objektorienterat spr=E5k).
Min uppfattning var att dom som verkligen anv=E4nt Simula, eller =

=E5tminstone gjort lite mer seri=F6sa tester, ans=E5g att spr=E5ket var "ge=
neral =

purpose". Det var v=E4l mer dom som aldrig anv=E4nt Simula som tillskrev de=
t =

"att bara vara ett spr=E5k f=F6r simulering".

Sutherlands SketchPad, fr=E5n 1963, var v=E4l mer en editor, men hade m=E5n=
ga =

nymodigheter som direktmanipulation av grafiska objekt (ja d=E4r =E4r =

objekten), constrains mm. Men jag h=E5ller inte med om att det =E4r oo i de=
n =

meningen vi brukar tillskriva oo-spr=E5k.

Ang=E5ende Gosling och Java, men varning detta =E4r nog bara en skr=F6na, s=
=E5 =

har jag h=F6rt att Sun egentligen ville anv=E4nda Smalltalk men att en =

dominant p=E5 omr=E5det ville ha alldeles f=F6r mycket betalt. S=E5 d=E5 gj=
orde =

man ett eget spr=E5k ist=E4llet: Oak, sedemera kallat Java. Fast det =E4r s=
om =

sagt f=F6rmodligen bara en skr=F6na.

En anekdot: James Gosling skrev en i min mening mycket l=E4svard =

doktorsavhandling redan 1983, "The Algebraic Manipulation of =

Constraints". H=E4r var det, om jag inte minns helt tokigt, en massa =

exempel i Lisp (jag har avhandlingen liggande i n=E5gon h=F6g n=E5gonstans, =

men det kan nog ta flera timmar att leta fram den och bekr=E4fta =

inneh=E5llet). S=E5 jag k=E4nde till honom redan innan Javas tillkomst. S=
=E5 =

denna lapsus passerade kanske mig enklare =E4n dig G=F6ran ;-).

H=E4lsningar
Bj=F6rn Eiderb=E4ck
On 2010-05-20 00:02, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> Hej!
>
> Idag under min dragning om Smalltalk idag reagerade n=E5gon (vet ej =

> namn!) kring vad jag sade om SIMULA och dess roll i historien om =

> objektorientering.
>
> Jag kommer inte ih=E5g exakt vad jag sa, men *det jag f=F6rs=F6kte s=E4ga=
* var =

> att SIMULA, trots att SIMULA vid tiden hade flera av de viktigaste =

> bitarna f=F6r OO p=E5 plats - inte f=F6rdes fram som "object oriented" =

> (termen anses skapad av Alan Kay senare), inte beskrevs som ett =

> "general purpose" paradigm f=F6r programmering (utan mer som ett s=E4tt =

> att enklare skapa simuleringar) och inte presenterades som ett "nytt =

> s=E4tt" att programmera.
>
> *D=E4remot* kan man i efterhand notera att flera av OOs grundstenar =

> fanns d=E4ri - men som n=E5gon p=E5pekat, det hade SketchPad ocks=E5 och =
var =

> flera =E5r tidigare.
>
> N=E5gra ytterligare k=E4llor kring denna "klassiska OO-fr=E5ga":
>
> http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/EarlyHistoryST.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
> http://ootips.org/history.html
> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/events/advsem03/ReedOOP.pdf
>
> Och en elak anekdot f=F6rresten:
>
> P=E5 OOPSLA =E5r... tja, 2008 tror jag, d=E5 hade man en paneldebatt om =

> SIMULA f=F6r att fira 40 =E5r tror jag. Hur som helst, James Gosling (!) =

> var med i panelen och det visade sig att han kunde mycket om SIMULA =

> och till och med fixat buggar i kompilatorn tror jag.
>
> Fr=E5n det tillf=E4llet omv=E4rderade jag James Gosling; tidigare hade ja=
g =

> urs=E4ktat hans skapande av Java som ett uttryck av historiel=F6shet - ja=
g =

> utgick fr=E5n att han helt enkelt inte "visste b=E4ttre"! Men det gjorde =

> han allts=E5, och s=E5lunda vet jag inte l=E4ngre vad han har f=F6r urs=
=E4kt... ;)
>
> mvh G=F6ran
>
> PS. Hoppas att min 40-minuters turbodragning var intressant, ifall ni =

> har fr=E5gor om Smalltalk, hur man b=E4st kommer ig=E5ng blablabla, s=E5 =
fr=E5ga =

> p=E5! Och ifall n=E5gon fattar tycke och g=E4rna vill aktivera sig i =

> Smalltalks "=F6ppen k=E4llkodsv=E4rld" s=E5 prata med mig!
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God morgon alla!

Tack för ett mycket lyckat arrangemang igår. Jag uppskattade verkligen 
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Tack Göran, Daniel, Johan, Hedvig och Benjamin för era föredrag!

Jag vet inte hur många som till slut kom, för vi räknade inte och det spelar 
inte jättestor roll men min uppskattning är att vi var cirka 80 personer 
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Jag har alla slides från föredragen och jag ämnar publicera dem på vår sajt så 
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lite fritid och CPU-tid så kommer han nog att kunna skicka över lite filmklipp 
som vi sedan skickar upp på sajten.

Tack igen till M Ekholms konsulttjänst AB och Academic Work för mackorna och 
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Jag vill bara tacka Daniel och alla er andra f=F6r en trevlig
eftermiddag. F=F6r den ot=E5lige s=E5 finns mina slides p=E5 SlideShare:
http://www.slideshare.net/e8johan/cross-platform-qt-4159891 .

MVH

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2010/5/20 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
> God morgon alla!
>
> Tack f=F6r ett mycket lyckat arrangemang ig=E5r. Jag uppskattade verkligen
> samtliga f=F6redrag, mackorna, bullarna och umg=E4nget p=E5 Copperfields.=
 Jag har
> redan l=E4st och h=F6rt ett g=E4ng positiva omd=F6men om kv=E4llen s=E5 j=
ag vet att vi
> =E4r flera som var n=F6jda.
>
> Tack G=F6ran, Daniel, Johan, Hedvig och Benjamin f=F6r era f=F6redrag!
>
> Jag vet inte hur m=E5nga som till slut kom, f=F6r vi r=E4knade inte och d=
et spelar
> inte j=E4ttestor roll men min uppskattning =E4r att vi var cirka 80 perso=
ner
> n=E4rvarande (och jag tror att kanske 40 eller s=E5 h=E4ngde med till pub=
en).
>
> Jag har alla slides fr=E5n f=F6redragen och jag =E4mnar publicera dem p=
=E5 v=E5r sajt
> s=E5 snart jag f=E5r lite tid =F6ver. G=F6ran filmade ju rubbet, och s=E5=
 snart han
> hittar lite fritid och CPU-tid s=E5 kommer han nog att kunna skicka =F6ve=
r lite
> filmklipp som vi sedan skickar upp p=E5 sajten.
>
> Tack igen till M Ekholms konsulttj=E4nst AB och Academic Work f=F6r macko=
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> fikat.
>
> --
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Tack sj=E4lv!

Om det beh=F6vs en plats att dumpa filmer p=E5 s=E5 har jag m=F6jlighet att=
 l=E4gga upp den p=E5 =

min server.

mvh
lsc
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:19:17AM +0200, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> God morgon alla!
> =

> Tack f=F6r ett mycket lyckat arrangemang ig=E5r. Jag uppskattade
> verkligen samtliga f=F6redrag, mackorna, bullarna och umg=E4nget p=E5
> Copperfields. Jag har redan l=E4st och h=F6rt ett g=E4ng positiva omd=F6m=
en
> om kv=E4llen s=E5 jag vet att vi =E4r flera som var n=F6jda.
> =

> Tack G=F6ran, Daniel, Johan, Hedvig och Benjamin f=F6r era f=F6redrag!
> =

> Jag vet inte hur m=E5nga som till slut kom, f=F6r vi r=E4knade inte och
> det spelar inte j=E4ttestor roll men min uppskattning =E4r att vi var
> cirka 80 personer n=E4rvarande (och jag tror att kanske 40 eller s=E5
> h=E4ngde med till puben).
> =

> Jag har alla slides fr=E5n f=F6redragen och jag =E4mnar publicera dem p=
=E5
> v=E5r sajt s=E5 snart jag f=E5r lite tid =F6ver. G=F6ran filmade ju rubbe=
t,
> och s=E5 snart han hittar lite fritid och CPU-tid s=E5 kommer han nog
> att kunna skicka =F6ver lite filmklipp som vi sedan skickar upp p=E5
> sajten.
> =

> Tack igen till M Ekholms konsulttj=E4nst AB och Academic Work f=F6r
> mackorna och fikat.
> =

> -- =

> =

>  / daniel.haxx.se

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Jag gr=E4mer mig =F6ver att ha missat b=E5da tr=E4fffarna hittills men ska
verkligen prioritera att komma p=E5 n=E4sta m=F6te, dr=F6j inte f=F6r l=E4n=
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2010/5/20 Johan Thelin <e8johan@gmail.com>:
> Jag vill bara tacka Daniel och alla er andra f=F6r en trevlig
> eftermiddag. F=F6r den ot=E5lige s=E5 finns mina slides p=E5 SlideShare:
> http://www.slideshare.net/e8johan/cross-platform-qt-4159891 .
>
> MVH
>
> Johan Thelin
>
> Recommended on-line reading:
> http://www.thelins.se | http://www.qtcentre.org
> Recommended off-line reading:
> The Foundations of Qt Development (ISBN: 1-59059-831-8)
>
>
>
>
> 2010/5/20 Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>:
>> God morgon alla!
>>
>> Tack f=F6r ett mycket lyckat arrangemang ig=E5r. Jag uppskattade verklig=
en
>> samtliga f=F6redrag, mackorna, bullarna och umg=E4nget p=E5 Copperfields=
. Jag har
>> redan l=E4st och h=F6rt ett g=E4ng positiva omd=F6men om kv=E4llen s=E5 =
jag vet att vi
>> =E4r flera som var n=F6jda.
>>
>> Tack G=F6ran, Daniel, Johan, Hedvig och Benjamin f=F6r era f=F6redrag!
>>
>> Jag vet inte hur m=E5nga som till slut kom, f=F6r vi r=E4knade inte och =
det spelar
>> inte j=E4ttestor roll men min uppskattning =E4r att vi var cirka 80 pers=
oner
>> n=E4rvarande (och jag tror att kanske 40 eller s=E5 h=E4ngde med till pu=
ben).
>>
>> Jag har alla slides fr=E5n f=F6redragen och jag =E4mnar publicera dem p=
=E5 v=E5r sajt
>> s=E5 snart jag f=E5r lite tid =F6ver. G=F6ran filmade ju rubbet, och s=
=E5 snart han
>> hittar lite fritid och CPU-tid s=E5 kommer han nog att kunna skicka =F6v=
er lite
>> filmklipp som vi sedan skickar upp p=E5 sajten.
>>
>> Tack igen till M Ekholms konsulttj=E4nst AB och Academic Work f=F6r mack=
orna och
>> fikat.
>>
>> --
>>
>> =A0/ daniel.haxx.se
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Hej Bj=F6rn!

Synd att du inte kunde komma ig=E5r!

F=F6r =F6vrigt, Bj=F6rn har skrivit den enda (?) boken om Smalltalk p=E5 sv=
enska =

(tillsammans med Olle B=E4lter var det va?). Finns h=E4r:

http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/Swedish/OOPmST.pdf

On 05/20/2010 01:40 AM, Bj=F6rn Eiderb=E4ck wrote:
> Hej!
>
> D=E5 jag en g=E5ng, i forntiden (i datalogisk mening, det var tidigt
> 80-tal), l=E4ste p=E5 Universitetet/KTH s=E5 anv=E4ndes Simula som f=F6rs=
ta och
> fr=E4msta programmeringsspr=E5k p=E5 dom inledande kurserna.
> Allt vad ett OO-spr=E5k ska ha fanns d=E4r (om man nu inte f=F6rl=E4st si=
g p=E5
> Bertrand Meyers definition i hans (i =F6vrigt) utm=E4rkta bok
> "Object-Oriented Software Construction", fast f=F6rsta upplagan kom 1988,
> dvs klart senare =E4n d=E5 jag l=E4ste dessa kurser, i vilken v=E4l bara =
Eiffel
> platsar som objektorienterat spr=E5k).
> Min uppfattning var att dom som verkligen anv=E4nt Simula, eller
> =E5tminstone gjort lite mer seri=F6sa tester, ans=E5g att spr=E5ket var "=
general
> purpose". Det var v=E4l mer dom som aldrig anv=E4nt Simula som tillskrev =
det
> "att bara vara ett spr=E5k f=F6r simulering".

Ja, men som jag f=F6rst=E5tt det s=E5 var det den "bilden" av OO i SIMULA s=
om =

i viss m=E5n ocks=E5 kommunicerades av "SIMULA sj=E4lvt"? (jag envisas med =

versaler, men jag tror det ska vara s=E5).

Hur som helst, SIMULA var helt klart f=F6rst med "objekt" i programmatisk =

bem=E4rkelse, men jag vidh=E5ller nog att Smalltalk var f=F6rst med "object =

oriented" - tanken att driva det till sin spets.

> Sutherlands SketchPad, fr=E5n 1963, var v=E4l mer en editor, men hade m=
=E5nga
> nymodigheter som direktmanipulation av grafiska objekt (ja d=E4r =E4r
> objekten), constrains mm. Men jag h=E5ller inte med om att det =E4r oo i =
den
> meningen vi brukar tillskriva oo-spr=E5k.

Nej, helt riktigt - men ifall man letar efter "objekt" i n=E5gon liknande =

form s=E5 var den nog "f=F6rst". :)

> Ang=E5ende Gosling och Java, men varning detta =E4r nog bara en skr=F6na,=
 s=E5
> har jag h=F6rt att Sun egentligen ville anv=E4nda Smalltalk men att en
> dominant p=E5 omr=E5det ville ha alldeles f=F6r mycket betalt. S=E5 d=E5 =
gjorde
> man ett eget spr=E5k ist=E4llet: Oak, sedemera kallat Java. Fast det =E4r=
 som
> sagt f=F6rmodligen bara en skr=F6na.

Har l=E4st om det d=E4r ocks=E5, tror det ligger n=E5t sant i det.

> En anekdot: James Gosling skrev en i min mening mycket l=E4svard
> doktorsavhandling redan 1983, "The Algebraic Manipulation of
> Constraints". H=E4r var det, om jag inte minns helt tokigt, en massa
> exempel i Lisp (jag har avhandlingen liggande i n=E5gon h=F6g n=E5gonstan=
s,
> men det kan nog ta flera timmar att leta fram den och bekr=E4fta
> inneh=E5llet). S=E5 jag k=E4nde till honom redan innan Javas tillkomst. S=
=E5
> denna lapsus passerade kanske mig enklare =E4n dig G=F6ran ;-).

Va fasen, hade han koll p=E5 Lisp ocks=E5? D=E5 har han banne mig ingen urs=
=E4kt =

alls! :)

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Hej,

2010/2/16 Erik Andr=E9n <erik.andren@gmail.com>

> Den 16 februari 2010 10.48 skrev Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>:
> > Hej,
> >
> > nu n=E4r det bara =E4r en vecka kvar tills tr=E4ff #1 och vi =E4r r=E4t=
t m=E5nga p=E5
> listan s=E5 skulle jag beh=F6va hj=E4lp med en liten unders=F6kning. Vore=
 tacksam om
> s=E5 m=E5nga som m=F6jligt kan svara p=E5 detta innan helgen s=E5 jag kan=
 sammanst=E4lla
> resultatet till den 24:e.
> >
> > Skicka svaren direkt till mig claes@surfar.nu och inte till listan tack=
.
> >
> > Inom [ ] s=E4tt ett X, *, O eller annat l=E4mpligt tecken (unicode code=
point
> 0x2603 sn=F6gubbar =E4r acceptabla) f=F6r att markera att det g=E4ller p=
=E5 er och d=E4r
> _ =E4r ska ni skriva fast det har ni nog f=F6rst=E5tt.
> >
> > Tack f=F6r svar
> > /Claes
> >
>
> Hej!
> Vad ska du anv=E4nda unders=F6kningen till?
> Kommer resultaten publiceras n=E5gonstans, och i s=E5 fall var?
>


F=F6r er som inte vet det s=E5 =E4r Claes en av initiativtagarna till FOSS-=
sthlm.
Han presenterade sig ig=E5r p=E5 m=F6te #2. (Han =E4r allts=E5 inte "vem so=
m helst"
som ber om info h=E4r p=E5 listan. Detta hade inte jag fattat och d=E4rf=F6=
r svarade
jag inte f=F6rut.)

Unders=F6kningen skall inte anv=E4ndas f=F6r rektrytering eller dyligt, uta=
n
endast f=F6r att kunna anpassa framtida FOSS-sthml-verksamhet.

F=F6rstod jag dig r=E4tt d=E5, Claes?


Tack f=F6r ig=E5r, alla!

- Hugo





>
> Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar,
> Erik
>
> >
> > -------
> >
> > 1) Prim=E4r huvudsyssla:
> > [ ] Jobba
> > [ ] Plugga
> > [ ] Annat, n=E4mligen ____________
> >
> >
> > 2) H=F6gsta utbildning
> > [ ] Gymnasial
> > [ ] H=F6gskola eller motsvarande inom ___________________
> > [ ] Autodidakt
> >
> >
> > 3) Hur jag blev involverad / varf=F6r jag b=F6rjade anv=E4nda F/OSS
> > _____________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > 4) Aktiviteter inom F/OSS
> > [ ] Anv=E4ndare, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Testning / buggrapportering, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Dokumentation, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Utveckling, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Projektledning, antal =E5r: __
> >
> >
> > Om ni har lust att specificera fr=E5ga 4 mer detaljerat s=E5 kopiera oc=
h
> klistra den nedan s=E5 det =E4r ett per projekt och s=E5 m=E5nga ni vill.
> >
> > X) Projekt: __________
> > [ ] Anv=E4ndare
> > [ ] Test/buggrapport, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Utveckling, antal =E5r: __
> > [ ] Projektledning, antal =E5r: __
> >
> > Om Utveckling, vilka programmeringsspr=E5k anv=E4nds:
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Hej, <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/2/16 Erik Andr=E9n <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.andren@gmail.com">erik.andren@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;=
">
Den 16 februari 2010 10.48 skrev Claes Jakobsson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:clae=
s@versed.se">claes@versed.se</a>&gt;:<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Hej,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; nu n=E4r det bara =E4r en vecka kvar tills tr=E4ff #1 och vi =E4r r=E4=
tt m=E5nga p=E5 listan s=E5 skulle jag beh=F6va hj=E4lp med en liten unders=
=F6kning. Vore tacksam om s=E5 m=E5nga som m=F6jligt kan svara p=E5 detta i=
nnan helgen s=E5 jag kan sammanst=E4lla resultatet till den 24:e.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Skicka svaren direkt till mig <a href=3D"mailto:claes@surfar.nu">claes=
@surfar.nu</a> och inte till listan tack.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Inom [ ] s=E4tt ett X, *, O eller annat l=E4mpligt tecken (unicode cod=
epoint 0x2603 sn=F6gubbar =E4r acceptabla) f=F6r att markera att det g=E4ll=
er p=E5 er och d=E4r _ =E4r ska ni skriva fast det har ni nog f=F6rst=E5tt.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Tack f=F6r svar<br>
&gt; /Claes<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>Hej!<br>
Vad ska du anv=E4nda unders=F6kningen till?<br>
Kommer resultaten publiceras n=E5gonstans, och i s=E5 fall var?<br></blockq=
uote><div><br><br>
F=F6r er som inte vet det s=E5 =E4r Claes en av initiativtagarna till=20
FOSS-sthlm.=20
Han presenterade sig ig=E5r p=E5 m=F6te #2. (Han =E4r allts=E5 inte &quot;v=
em som helst&quot; som ber om info h=E4r p=E5=20
listan. Detta hade inte jag fattat och d=E4rf=F6r svarade jag inte f=F6rut.=
)<br>

<br>
Unders=F6kningen skall inte anv=E4ndas f=F6r rektrytering eller dyligt, uta=
n=20
endast f=F6r att kunna anpassa framtida FOSS-sthml-verksamhet.<br>
<br>
F=F6rstod jag dig r=E4tt d=E5, Claes?<br>
<br>
<br>Tack f=F6r ig=E5r, alla!<br><br>
- Hugo<br>
<br>
<br><br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt=
 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">Erik<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1) Prim=E4r huvudsyssla:<br>
&gt; [ ] Jobba<br>
&gt; [ ] Plugga<br>
&gt; [ ] Annat, n=E4mligen ____________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2) H=F6gsta utbildning<br>
&gt; [ ] Gymnasial<br>
&gt; [ ] H=F6gskola eller motsvarande inom ___________________<br>
&gt; [ ] Autodidakt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 3) Hur jag blev involverad / varf=F6r jag b=F6rjade anv=E4nda F/OSS<br=
>
&gt; _____________________________________________________________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 4) Aktiviteter inom F/OSS<br>
&gt; [ ] Anv=E4ndare, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Testning / buggrapportering, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Dokumentation, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Utveckling, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Projektledning, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Om ni har lust att specificera fr=E5ga 4 mer detaljerat s=E5 kopiera o=
ch klistra den nedan s=E5 det =E4r ett per projekt och s=E5 m=E5nga ni vill=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; X) Projekt: __________<br>
&gt; [ ] Anv=E4ndare<br>
&gt; [ ] Test/buggrapport, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Utveckling, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt; [ ] Projektledning, antal =E5r: __<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Om Utveckling, vilka programmeringsspr=E5k anv=E4nds: ________________=
___________<br>
&gt; Om Utveckling, vilka delar jobbades det fr=E4mst p=E5: _______________=
____________<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/" target=3D"_blank">http://foss-s=
thlm.haxx.se/</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm" ta=
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Halloj!

Nu =E4r f=F6rsta filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r FFmpeg-dragningen p=E5 30 =

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Hej,

Skoj, jag speglar klippet p=E5 min maskin.

http://speedtest.obenetwork.net/mirror/foss-sthlm/19maj/ffmpeg.avi

G=E5r nog att fixa ett FTP-konto om du vill ladda upp direkt, jag har =

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om det =E4r alla och r=E4tt versioner av dem.

Maskinen st=E5r p=E5 gigglina.

/Tobias

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G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> Halloj!
> =

> Nu =E4r f=F6rsta filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r FFmpeg-dragningen p=E5 =
30 =

> minuter, jag har brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna kopi=
era den =

> till l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort!
> =

> http://goran.krampe.se/ffmpeg.avi
> =

> Den =E4r p=E5 295Mb, Xvid. Och ja, ansiktet g=E5r inte att se - det =E4r =
nog ett =

> problem p=E5 alla dragningar den h=E4r g=E5ngen tyv=E4rr.
> =

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Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
ljudet fr=E5n f=F6rel=E4sningen d=E4rifr=E5n n=E4sta g=E5ng ifall det finns
m=F6jlighet, det skulle vara mycket trevligare s=E5 :)

Den 21 maj 2010 11.48 skrev Tobias Andersson <tobias@obenetwork.com>:
> Hej,
>
> Skoj, jag speglar klippet p=E5 min maskin.
>
> http://speedtest.obenetwork.net/mirror/foss-sthlm/19maj/ffmpeg.avi
>
> G=E5r nog att fixa ett FTP-konto om du vill ladda upp direkt, jag har sam=
lat
> ett par klipp fr=E5n senaste m=F6tet ocks=E5, dock inte helt s=E4ker p=E5=
 om det =E4r
> alla och r=E4tt versioner av dem.
>
> Maskinen st=E5r p=E5 gigglina.
>
> /Tobias
>
> --
> Tobias Andersson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 tfn: +46=
 (0)767 788 736
> Obenetwork HB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 url: http:/=
/obenetwork.com
>
>
> G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
>>
>> Halloj!
>>
>> Nu =E4r f=F6rsta filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r FFmpeg-dragningen p=E5=
 30
>> minuter, jag har brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna kop=
iera den till
>> l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort!
>>
>> http://goran.krampe.se/ffmpeg.avi
>>
>> Den =E4r p=E5 295Mb, Xvid. Och ja, ansiktet g=E5r inte att se - det =E4r=
 nog ett
>> problem p=E5 alla dragningar den h=E4r g=E5ngen tyv=E4rr.
>>
>> mvh G=F6ran
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On 05/21/2010 11:58 AM, Adam H wrote:
> Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
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Mmmm, min lilla dv-kamera vete katten vad den har f=F6r ing=E5ngar etc. Men =

vi kan alltid kolla m=F6jligheterna.

...och som alltid - ifall n=E5gon annan vill g=F6ra proffsigare filmingar, =

vassego! :)

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Det brukar finnas en line-in, men jag tror att det r=E4cker med en =

extern "riktig" mikrofon. Det blir en j=E4ttestor skillnad.

/Mikael

fredag 21 maj 2010 skrev G=F6ran Krampe:
> On 05/21/2010 11:58 AM, Adam H wrote:
> > Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
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inns
> > m=F6jlighet, det skulle vara mycket trevligare s=E5 :)
>
> Mmmm, min lilla dv-kamera vete katten vad den har f=F6r ing=E5ngar etc. M=
en
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>
> ...och som alltid - ifall n=E5gon annan vill g=F6ra proffsigare filmingar,
> vassego! :)
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Och som jade sade p=E5 IRC, om det beh=F6vs kan jag donera en liten mixer
som =E4r antingen 2 eller 3 kanaler, kan tex vara bra ifall man v=E4ljer
att koppla in sig i ljudsystemet och batterierna till flugan tar slut
;)

Den 21 maj 2010 12.14 skrev Mikael Bergqvist <mikaels.mail@telia.com>:
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> extern "riktig" mikrofon. Det blir en j=E4ttestor skillnad.
>
> /Mikael
>
> fredag 21 maj 2010 skrev G=F6ran Krampe:
>> On 05/21/2010 11:58 AM, Adam H wrote:
>> > Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
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>> > m=F6jlighet, det skulle vara mycket trevligare s=E5 :)
>>
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>> vi kan alltid kolla m=F6jligheterna.
>>
>> ...och som alltid - ifall n=E5gon annan vill g=F6ra proffsigare filminga=
r,
>> vassego! :)
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Den finns strax p=E5 http://nobelium.se/foss-sthlm/ =

/lsc
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:46:07AM +0200, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
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> Nu =E4r f=F6rsta filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r FFmpeg-dragningen p=E5 =
30
> minuter, jag har brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna kopi=
era
> den till l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort!
> =

> http://goran.krampe.se/ffmpeg.avi
> =

> Den =E4r p=E5 295Mb, Xvid. Och ja, ansiktet g=E5r inte att se - det =E4r =
nog
> ett problem p=E5 alla dragningar den h=E4r g=E5ngen tyv=E4rr.
> =

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:06:38PM +0200, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> On 05/21/2010 11:58 AM, Adam H wrote:
> >Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
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nns
> >m=F6jlighet, det skulle vara mycket trevligare s=E5 :)
> =

> Mmmm, min lilla dv-kamera vete katten vad den har f=F6r ing=E5ngar etc. M=
en =

> vi kan alltid kolla m=F6jligheterna.

Inga problem, vi kan spela in ljudet med en mp3spelare som k=F6r RockBox och
sen muxa (multiplexa(!)) med FFmpeg.

-- =

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"Multiplex kallas ett antal tekniker som m=F6jligg=F6r samtidig =F6verf=F6r=
ing
av flera oberoende informationskanaler =F6ver en och samma fysiska
informationsb=E4rare."

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplex

  :-)

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2010/5/21 Tommy Nevtelen <tommy@nevtelen.com>:
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:06:38PM +0200, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
>> On 05/21/2010 11:58 AM, Adam H wrote:
>> >Jag skulle g=E4rna se att man kopplar in sig i ljudsystemet och drar
>> >ljudet fr=E5n f=F6rel=E4sningen d=E4rifr=E5n n=E4sta g=E5ng ifall det f=
inns
>> >m=F6jlighet, det skulle vara mycket trevligare s=E5 :)
>>
>> Mmmm, min lilla dv-kamera vete katten vad den har f=F6r ing=E5ngar etc. =
Men
>> vi kan alltid kolla m=F6jligheterna.
>
> Inga problem, vi kan spela in ljudet med en mp3spelare som k=F6r RockBox =
och
> sen muxa (multiplexa(!)) med FFmpeg.
>
> --
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najs=2C ska kolla senare=20

> Date: Fri=2C 21 May 2010 12:33:28 +0200
> From: lsc@nobelium.se
> To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
> Subject: Re: F=F6rsta filmen fr=E5n m=F6tet - FFmpeg
>=20
> Den finns strax p=E5 http://nobelium.se/foss-sthlm/=20
> /lsc
> On Fri=2C May 21=2C 2010 at 10:46:07AM +0200=2C G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> > Halloj!
> >=20
> > Nu =E4r f=F6rsta filmen grabbad/encodad=2C det =E4r FFmpeg-dragningen p=
=E5 30
> > minuter=2C jag har brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna =
kopiera
> > den till l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort=
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> >=20
> > http://goran.krampe.se/ffmpeg.avi
> >=20
> > Den =E4r p=E5 295Mb=2C Xvid. Och ja=2C ansiktet g=E5r inte att se - det=
 =E4r nog
> > ett problem p=E5 alla dragningar den h=E4r g=E5ngen tyv=E4rr.
> >=20
> > mvh G=F6ran
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Hej Alla

T=E4nkte starta upp diskussionen om att fixa en logga till foss-sthlm igen.
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Hej, här kommer ett förslag i pixelstyle!
Det är svg/inkskape format, så man kan
enkelt ändra bakgrund och färg på text
och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...

Peace
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2010/5/21 <music@teadrinker.net>

> Hej, h=C3=A4r kommer ett f=C3=B6rslag i pixelstyle!
> Det =C3=A4r svg/inkskape format, s=C3=A5 man kan
> enkelt =C3=A4ndra bakgrund och f=C3=A4rg p=C3=A5 text
> och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...
>

Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!

En kommentar dock, the glider =C3=A4r inverterad mot det du ritade (
http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png )


>
> Peace
> /Martin
> _______________________________________________
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/21  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:music@teadrinker.net">music@teadrinker.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote=
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Hej, h=C3=A4r kommer ett f=C3=B6rslag i pixelstyle!<br>
Det =C3=A4r svg/inkskape format, s=C3=A5 man kan<br>
enkelt =C3=A4ndra bakgrund och f=C3=A4rg p=C3=A5 text<br>
och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ja=
g tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!</div><div><br></div><div>En kommentar d=
ock, the glider =C3=A4r inverterad mot det du ritade (=C2=A0<a href=3D"http=
://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png">http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.=
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<br>
Peace<br>
/Martin<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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; Axelsson<br>+46 70 425 12 98<br>-----<br>Please avoid sending me Word, Ex=
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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:40:25PM +0200, music@teadrinker.net wrote:
> Hej, h=E4r kommer ett f=F6rslag i pixelstyle!
> Det =E4r svg/inkskape format, s=E5 man kan
> enkelt =E4ndra bakgrund och f=E4rg p=E5 text
> och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...

Oj oj! Nu b=F6rjar vi n=E4rma oss n=E5got som jag i alla fall tycker =E4r r=
iktigt
bra. Gillar id=E9n med att ha glidern i O:et och den pixliga looken.

Lade upp denna designen under martin.

-- =

Ha en bra dag
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Kan bara hÃ¥lla med, en av de bÃ¤sta loggorna hittills.
/Lukas

Elis Axelsson wrote:
> 2010/5/21 <music@teadrinker.net <mailto:music@teadrinker.net>>
>
>     Hej, hÃ¤r kommer ett fÃ¶rslag i pixelstyle!
>     Det Ã¤r svg/inkskape format, sÃ¥ man kan
>     enkelt Ã¤ndra bakgrund och fÃ¤rg pÃ¥ text
>     och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...
>
>
> Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!
>
> En kommentar dock, the glider Ã¤r inverterad mot det du ritade
> ( http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png )
>  
>
>
>     Peace
>     /Martin
>     _______________________________________________
>     http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>     http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Elis "Etu" Axelsson
> +46 70 425 12 98
> -----
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  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/21 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hej,
hÃ¤r kommer ett fÃ¶rslag i pixelstyle!<br>
Det Ã¤r svg/inkskape format, sÃ¥ man kan<br>
enkelt Ã¤ndra bakgrund och fÃ¤rg pÃ¥ text<br>
och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...<br>
  </blockquote>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!</div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>En kommentar dock, the glider Ã¤r inverterad mot det du ritade (Â <a
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png">http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png</a>Â )</div>
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  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
Peace<br>
/Martin<br>
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Halloj!

Nu =E4r andra filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r Hedvigs dragning Kvinnor och =

Open Source p=E5 38 minuter, varav en stor del =E4r fr=E5gestunden efter=E5=
t.

Jag har som sagt brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna kopier=
a den =

till l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort!

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Den =E4r p=E5 332Mb, Xvid. Och ja, ansiktet g=E5r inte att se h=E4r heller.

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On 21 maj 2010, at 22.40, music@teadrinker.net wrote:
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2010/5/21  <music@teadrinker.net>:
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Den h=E4r var fett snygg!

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Halloj.

Strax p=E5 http://nobelium.se/foss-sthlm/kvinnor-och-opensource.avi :)

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Hej G=F6ran,

Jag har en dom=E4n med tillh=F6rande (virtuell) server =F6ver. T=E4nkte se =
om
man kunde k=F6ra upp filerna som flash-video. Vad g=E4ller kring licenser,
etc (=E4r det CC-*) eller vad?

MVH

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2010/5/24 Lowe Schmidt <lsc@nobelium.se>:
> Halloj.
>
> Strax p=E5 http://nobelium.se/foss-sthlm/kvinnor-och-opensource.avi :)
>
> /lsc
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:30:43AM +0200, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
>> Halloj!
>>
>> Nu =E4r andra filmen grabbad/encodad, det =E4r Hedvigs dragning Kvinnor
>> och Open Source p=E5 38 minuter, varav en stor del =E4r fr=E5gestunden
>> efter=E5t.
>>
>> Jag har som sagt brist p=E5 hosting-plats s=E5 n=E5gon f=E5r g=E4rna kop=
iera
>> den till l=E4mplig plats och g=F6ra en reply h=E4r n=E4r det =E4r gjort!
>>
>> http://goran.krampe.se/kvinnor-och-opensource.avi
>>
>> Den =E4r p=E5 332Mb, Xvid. Och ja, ansiktet g=E5r inte att se h=E4r hell=
er.
>>
>> mvh G=F6ran
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On 05/24/2010 11:48 AM, Johan Thelin wrote:
> Hej G=F6ran,
>
> Jag har en dom=E4n med tillh=F6rande (virtuell) server =F6ver. T=E4nkte s=
e om
> man kunde k=F6ra upp filerna som flash-video. Vad g=E4ller kring licenser,
> etc (=E4r det CC-*) eller vad?

Bra fr=E5ga! :)

F=F6r min del =E4r det vad som passar oss och f=F6redragarna b=E4st. Vad s=
=E4ger =

ni andra?

mvh G=F6ran
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>> Jag har en dom=E4n med tillh=F6rande (virtuell) server =F6ver. T=E4nkte =
se om
>> man kunde k=F6ra upp filerna som flash-video. Vad g=E4ller kring license=
r,
>> etc (=E4r det CC-*) eller vad?
>
> Bra fr=E5ga! :)
>
> F=F6r min del =E4r det vad som passar oss och f=F6redragarna b=E4st. Vad =
s=E4ger ni
> andra?

CC BY NC SA r=F6star jag f=F6r.

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2010/5/24 Daniel Melin <fulgubbe@gmail.com>:
>>> Jag har en dom=E4n med tillh=F6rande (virtuell) server =F6ver. T=E4nkte=
 se om
>>> man kunde k=F6ra upp filerna som flash-video. Vad g=E4ller kring licens=
er,
>>> etc (=E4r det CC-*) eller vad?
>>
>> Bra fr=E5ga! :)
>>
>> F=F6r min del =E4r det vad som passar oss och f=F6redragarna b=E4st. Vad=
 s=E4ger ni
>> andra?
>
> CC BY NC SA r=F6star jag f=F6r.

  +1

/J
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On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:02:54AM +0200, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> Hej!
> =

> Idag under min dragning om Smalltalk idag reagerade n=E5gon (vet ej
> namn!) kring vad jag sade om SIMULA och dess roll i historien om
> objektorientering.
> =

> Jag kommer inte ih=E5g exakt vad jag sa, men *det jag f=F6rs=F6kte s=E4ga*
> var att SIMULA, trots att SIMULA vid tiden hade flera av de
> viktigaste bitarna f=F6r OO p=E5 plats - inte f=F6rdes fram som "object
> oriented" (termen anses skapad av Alan Kay senare), inte beskrevs
> som ett "general purpose" paradigm f=F6r programmering (utan mer som
> ett s=E4tt att enklare skapa simuleringar) och inte presenterades som
> ett "nytt s=E4tt" att programmera.
> =

> *D=E4remot* kan man i efterhand notera att flera av OOs grundstenar
> fanns d=E4ri - men som n=E5gon p=E5pekat, det hade SketchPad ocks=E5 och =
var
> flera =E5r tidigare.
> =

> [...]

Jag lyssnade p=E5 Kristen Nygaard p=E5 JAOO 2000 som fritt citerat sade att
Simula var det f=F6rsta objektorienterade spr=E5ket och att
objektorientering var en ny etikett p=E5 deras ideer.

/Marcus
-- =

Marcus Ahnve =

http://marcus.ahnve.net
phone: +46 8 56 22 33 94 =

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Kul!
Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara kÃ¶ra glidern "oinverterat".
Tror att jag gillar den bÃ¤ttre, men inte helt sÃ¤ker Ã¤n...

(I mitt huvud sÃ¥ spelar ljussÃ¤ttningen av det binÃ¤ra fÃ¶rresten inte
 sÃ¥ stor roll, hade inte tÃ¤nkt pÃ¥ det, men om man ska anlysera det
 tycker jag nog det Ã¤r mer logiskt att en aktiverad punkt Ã¤r ljus
 snarare Ã¤n mÃ¶rk hehe, men bra att du anmÃ¤rkte det Ã¤ndÃ¥!)

peace.


Elis Axelsson wrote:
> 2010/5/21 <music@teadrinker.net>
>
>   
>> Hej, hÃ¤r kommer ett fÃ¶rslag i pixelstyle!
>> Det Ã¤r svg/inkskape format, sÃ¥ man kan
>> enkelt Ã¤ndra bakgrund och fÃ¤rg pÃ¥ text
>> och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...
>>
>>     
>
> Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!
>
> En kommentar dock, the glider Ã¤r inverterad mot det du ritade (
> http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png )
>
>
>   
>> Peace
>> /Martin
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Subject: Re: Logga till foss-sthlm redux
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2010/5/22 Martin Eklund <music@teadrinker.net>

> Kul!
> Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=C3=B6ra glidern "oinverterat".
> Tror att jag gillar den b=C3=A4ttre, men inte helt s=C3=A4ker =C3=A4n...
>
> (I mitt huvud s=C3=A5 spelar ljuss=C3=A4ttningen av det bin=C3=A4ra f=C3=
=B6rresten inte
> s=C3=A5 stor roll, hade inte t=C3=A4nkt p=C3=A5 det, men om man ska anlys=
era det
> tycker jag nog det =C3=A4r mer logiskt att en aktiverad punkt =C3=A4r lju=
s
> snarare =C3=A4n m=C3=B6rk hehe, men bra att du anm=C3=A4rkte det =C3=A4nd=
=C3=A5!)


I like! Den =C3=A4r bra!


>

peace.
>
>
> Elis Axelsson wrote:
>
>> 2010/5/21 <music@teadrinker.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hej, h=C3=A4r kommer ett f=C3=B6rslag i pixelstyle!
>>> Det =C3=A4r svg/inkskape format, s=C3=A5 man kan
>>> enkelt =C3=A4ndra bakgrund och f=C3=A4rg p=C3=A5 text
>>> och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!
>>
>> En kommentar dock, the glider =C3=A4r inverterad mot det du ritade (
>> http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Peace
>>> /Martin
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/22 Martin Eklund <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:music@teadrinker.net">music@teadrinker.net</a>&gt;</span><b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Kul!<br>
Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=C3=B6ra glidern &quot;oinverterat&q=
uot;.<br>
Tror att jag gillar den b=C3=A4ttre, men inte helt s=C3=A4ker =C3=A4n...<br=
>
<br>
(I mitt huvud s=C3=A5 spelar ljuss=C3=A4ttningen av det bin=C3=A4ra f=C3=B6=
rresten inte<br>
s=C3=A5 stor roll, hade inte t=C3=A4nkt p=C3=A5 det, men om man ska anlyser=
a det<br>
tycker jag nog det =C3=A4r mer logiskt att en aktiverad punkt =C3=A4r ljus<=
br>
snarare =C3=A4n m=C3=B6rk hehe, men bra att du anm=C3=A4rkte det =C3=A4nd=
=C3=A5!)</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like! Den =C3=A4r bra!</div><div=
>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
=C2=A0</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
peace.<br>
<br>
<br>
Elis Axelsson wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
2010/5/21 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:music@teadrinker.net" target=3D"_blank">mus=
ic@teadrinker.net</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
 =C2=A0<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hej, h=C3=A4r kommer ett f=C3=B6rslag i pixelstyle!<br>
Det =C3=A4r svg/inkskape format, s=C3=A5 man kan<br>
enkelt =C3=A4ndra bakgrund och f=C3=A4rg p=C3=A5 text<br>
och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...<br>
<br>
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!<br>
<br>
En kommentar dock, the glider =C3=A4r inverterad mot det du ritade (<br>
<a href=3D"http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png" target=3D"_blank">http=
://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png</a> )<br>
<br>
<br>
 =C2=A0<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Peace<br>
/Martin<br>
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On Monday 24 May 2010 13.01.27 Marcus Ahnve wrote:
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> =

> Jag lyssnade p=E5 Kristen Nygaard p=E5 JAOO 2000 som fritt citerat sade a=
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> Simula var det f=F6rsta objektorienterade spr=E5ket och att
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f=F6r. Bjarne Stroustrup, som gjorde C++, n=E4mnar i flera citat och i b=F6=
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Simula som f=F6rebild n=E4r det g=E4ller OO-delen av C++.

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V=E4ldigt snygg!

Jag gillar den f=F6rsta mest :)

2010/5/24 Elis Axelsson <elis.axelsson@gmail.com>:
> 2010/5/22 Martin Eklund <music@teadrinker.net>
>>
>> Kul!
>> Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=F6ra glidern "oinverterat".
>> Tror att jag gillar den b=E4ttre, men inte helt s=E4ker =E4n...
>>
>> (I mitt huvud s=E5 spelar ljuss=E4ttningen av det bin=E4ra f=F6rresten i=
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>> s=E5 stor roll, hade inte t=E4nkt p=E5 det, men om man ska anlysera det
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>> snarare =E4n m=F6rk hehe, men bra att du anm=E4rkte det =E4nd=E5!)
>
> I like! Den =E4r bra!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> peace.
>>
>>
>> Elis Axelsson wrote:
>>>
>>> 2010/5/21 <music@teadrinker.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hej, h=E4r kommer ett f=F6rslag i pixelstyle!
>>>> Det =E4r svg/inkskape format, s=E5 man kan
>>>> enkelt =E4ndra bakgrund och f=E4rg p=E5 text
>>>> och gliderpixlar om man vill leka...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jag tycker att denna var sjukt snygg!
>>>
>>> En kommentar dock, the glider =E4r inverterad mot det du ritade (
>>> http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peace
>>>> /Martin
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On 2010-05-22 15:05, Martin Eklund wrote:
> Kul!
> Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=C3=B6ra glidern "oinverterat".
> Tror att jag gillar den b=C3=A4ttre, men inte helt s=C3=A4ker =C3=A4n..=
=2E

Jag tog mig friheten att centrera STHLM-texten ordentligt, samt att =C3=B6=
ka
avst=C3=A5ndet mellan bokst=C3=A4verna i STHLM s=C3=A5 att det blev lika =
brett som
resten av loggan som n=C3=A5gra andra bad om. Jag skulle dock s=C3=A4ga a=
tt jag
gillar loggan b=C3=A4ttre med "originalbredden" p=C3=A5 STHLM.

Mikael

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Hej

Hoppas jag inte st=F6r; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som s=F6ker n=E5gon so=
m =

kan skapa en Linux image f=F6r tunna klienter som har 256MB/256MB RAM/ FLASH
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Tack!

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Hej,

Kolla med Cendio i Link=F6ping, de har en intressant produkt ThincLic, har =
de
har redan installation p=E5 just skolor f=F6r att underl=E4ttta admin m.m.

Mvh
Patrik

Den 24 maj 2010 14.52 skrev Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>:

> Hej
>
> Hoppas jag inte st=F6r; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som s=F6ker n=E5gon =
som kan
> skapa en Linux image f=F6r tunna klienter som har 256MB/256MB RAM/ FLASH
> Kravet =E4r att f=E5 Citrix eller liknande alternativ samt en webbrowser =
som
> st=F6der:
> Flash
> Java
> Adobe reader eller liknande
> N=E5gon media player (VLC) som spelar allt
> M=F6jlighet att skriva ut
> M=F6jlighet att spara p=E5 USB minne/extern HD
>
> K=E4nner ni n=E5gon/n=E5gra vi kan prata med?
>
> Tack!
>
> Pamela Fuentes
> _______________________________________________
> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>

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t produkt ThincLic, har de har redan installation p=E5 just skolor f=F6r at=
t underl=E4ttta admin m.m.</div><div><br></div><div>Mvh</div><div>Patrik<br=
><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 24 maj 2010 14.52 skrev Pamela Fuentes <span=
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span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hej<br>
<br>
Hoppas jag inte st=F6r; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som s=F6ker n=E5gon so=
m kan skapa en Linux image f=F6r tunna klienter som har 256MB/256MB RAM/ FL=
ASH<br>
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m st=F6der:<br>
Flash<br>
Java<br>
Adobe reader eller liknande<br>
N=E5gon media player (VLC) som spelar allt<br>
M=F6jlighet att skriva ut<br>
M=F6jlighet att spara p=E5 USB minne/extern HD<br>
<br>
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Hej

...eller om man vill gå 100% open source så finns www.ltsp.org de har en 
lösning som lösa alla krav (men troligen inte DRM kodade WMA mediafiler).

Tyvärr vet jag inte om någon i Sverige erbjuder support runt lösningen. 
Communityn är hjälpsam och när jag för en massa år sedan körde den 
hemmavid så löste den de problem jag hade.

mvh



Patrik Lindergren skrev 2010-05-24 15:07:
> Hej,
>
> Kolla med Cendio i Linköping, de har en intressant produkt ThincLic, 
> har de har redan installation på just skolor för att underlättta admin 
> m.m.
>
> Mvh
> Patrik
>
> Den 24 maj 2010 14.52 skrev Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com 
> <mailto:pam@trauco.com>>:
>
>     Hej
>
>     Hoppas jag inte stör; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som söker någon
>     som kan skapa en Linux image för tunna klienter som har
>     256MB/256MB RAM/ FLASH
>     Kravet är att få Citrix eller liknande alternativ samt en
>     webbrowser som stöder:
>     Flash
>     Java
>     Adobe reader eller liknande
>     Någon media player (VLC) som spelar allt
>     Möjlighet att skriva ut
>     Möjlighet att spara på USB minne/extern HD
>
>     Känner ni någon/några vi kan prata med?
>
>     Tack!
>
>     Pamela Fuentes
>     _______________________________________________
>     http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>     http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>
>
>
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Hej<br>
<br>
...eller om man vill g&aring; 100% open source s&aring; finns <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ltsp.org">www.ltsp.org</a> de har
en l&ouml;sning som l&ouml;sa alla krav (men troligen inte DRM kodade WMA
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<br>
Tyv&auml;rr vet jag inte om n&aring;gon i Sverige erbjuder support runt l&ouml;sningen.
Communityn &auml;r hj&auml;lpsam och n&auml;r jag f&ouml;r en massa &aring;r sedan k&ouml;rde den
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mvh<br>
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  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>Kolla med Cendio i Link&ouml;ping, de har en intressant produkt
ThincLic, har de har redan installation p&aring; just skolor f&ouml;r att
underl&auml;ttta admin m.m.</div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>Mvh</div>
  <div>Patrik<br>
  <br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">Den 24 maj 2010 14.52 skrev Pamela Fuentes <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pam@trauco.com">pam@trauco.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hej<br>
    <br>
Hoppas jag inte st&ouml;r; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som s&ouml;ker n&aring;gon som
kan skapa en Linux image f&ouml;r tunna klienter som har 256MB/256MB RAM/
FLASH<br>
Kravet &auml;r att f&aring; Citrix eller liknande alternativ samt en webbrowser
som st&ouml;der:<br>
Flash<br>
Java<br>
Adobe reader eller liknande<br>
N&aring;gon media player (VLC) som spelar allt<br>
M&ouml;jlighet att skriva ut<br>
M&ouml;jlighet att spara p&aring; USB minne/extern HD<br>
    <br>
K&auml;nner ni n&aring;gon/n&aring;gra vi kan prata med?<br>
    <br>
Tack!<br>
    <font color="#888888"><br>
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Multiframe fr=E5n Redpill Linpro kanske kan vara n=E5got
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Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning

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2010/5/24 Pamela Fuentes <pam@trauco.com>

> Hej
>
> Hoppas jag inte st=F6r; jag jobbar med Kunskapskolan som s=F6ker n=E5gon =
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> K=E4nner ni n=E5gon/n=E5gra vi kan prata med?
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ASH<br>
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&gt; Simula var det f=F6rsta objektorienterade spr=E5ket och att<br />&gt; =
<br />&gt; &gt; objektorientering var en ny etikett p=E5 deras ideer.<br />=
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Hej,

On 24 maj 2010, at 14.32, Mikael Auno wrote:
> On 2010-05-22 15:05, Martin Eklund wrote:
>> Kul!
>> Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=F6ra glidern "oinverterat".
>> Tror att jag gillar den b=E4ttre, men inte helt s=E4ker =E4n...
> =

> Jag tog mig friheten att centrera STHLM-texten ordentligt, samt att =F6ka
> avst=E5ndet mellan bokst=E4verna i STHLM s=E5 att det blev lika brett som
> resten av loggan som n=E5gra andra bad om. Jag skulle dock s=E4ga att jag
> gillar loggan b=E4ttre med "originalbredden" p=E5 STHLM.

Ytterligare en liten f=F6r=E4ndring. Gjorde s=E5 att det st=E5r STHLM och i=
nte STHML samt la in sm=E5 gr=E5a "pixlar" mellan bokst=E4verna.

Patch nedan

/claes

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Hej allihop!

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Grattis till Alan Kay och tack f=F6r boktipset=20

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On 2010-05-24 20:46, Claes Jakobsson wrote:
> Hej,
>=20
> On 24 maj 2010, at 14.32, Mikael Auno wrote:
>> On 2010-05-22 15:05, Martin Eklund wrote:
>>> Kul!
>>> Jag testade att ta bort O:et och bara k=F6ra glidern "oinverterat".
>>> Tror att jag gillar den b=E4ttre, men inte helt s=E4ker =E4n...
>>
>> Jag tog mig friheten att centrera STHLM-texten ordentligt, samt att =F6=
ka
>> avst=E5ndet mellan bokst=E4verna i STHLM s=E5 att det blev lika brett =
som
>> resten av loggan som n=E5gra andra bad om. Jag skulle dock s=E4ga att =
jag
>> gillar loggan b=E4ttre med "originalbredden" p=E5 STHLM.
>=20
> Ytterligare en liten f=F6r=E4ndring. Gjorde s=E5 att det st=E5r STHLM o=
ch inte STHML samt la in sm=E5 gr=E5a "pixlar" mellan bokst=E4verna.

Ja, att stava r=E4tt kunde ju ha varit bra. F=F6r de som inte orkar (elle=
r
inte har verktyg f=F6r att) l=E4gga p=E5 patchen sj=E4lva s=E5 har ni den=

r=E4ttstavade varianten, med och utan sm=E5 gr=E5a "pixlar", h=E4r.

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Grattis G=F6ra-- nej, jag menar Alan!


2010/5/25 Martin Jernberg <cs_bittin@msn.com>

>  Grattis till Alan Kay och tack f=F6r boktipset
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:58:38 +0200
> > From: goran@krampe.se
> > To: foss-sthlm@cool.haxx.se
> > Subject: Alan Kay fyllde precis 70!
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> >
> > Hej allihop!
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> > Bara n=E5gra dagar efter min dragning om Smalltalk den 19:e s=E5 postad=
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apitel
> > fr=E5n tonvis med storheter:
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> > http://vpri.org/pov
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> > Boken =E4r under create commons och =E4r bara att ladda hem som pdf!
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br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hej allihop!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Bara n=E5gra dagar efter min=
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uot;tribute book&quot; till Alan Kay p=E5 hans 70-=E5rsdag med kapitel <br>
&gt; fr=E5n tonvis med storheter:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://vpri.o=
rg/pov" target=3D"_blank">http://vpri.org/pov</a><br>&gt; <br>&gt; Boken =
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Daniel Stenberg skrev 2010-05-24 15:40:
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>
> Jag jobbar p=E5 att samlt allt material fr=E5n m=F6te #2 h=E4r:
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>     http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/mote2-dok.html
>
> Under dagarna och veckorna fram=F6ver fyller jag p=E5 n=E4r det finns mer =

> att visa. Jag kommer inte att annonsera alla f=F6r=E4ndringar har! ;-)
>


Jag ska uppdatera mina slides vid tillf=E4lle.

MvH
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2010/5/25 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com>

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H=E5ller med!

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Stiligt och cleant!

I mina =F6gon en helt perfek logotyp som dessutom g=E5r att pilla runt
lite med beroende p=E5 vad den ska anv=E4ndas till :)

Den 25 maj 2010 10.54 skrev Magnus Ahlberg <magnus.ahlberg@gmail.com>:
> F=F6r att g=F6ra ett inl=E4gg i debatten gillade jag mer versionen d=E4r =
STHLM
> inte var lika brett som linjen, allts=E5 med mindre avst=E5nd mellan
> bokst=E4verna.
>
> Men b=E5da varianterna =E4r snygga, kul att se utvecklingen som skett och
> den kollektiva kreativiteten. :)
>
> /Magnus
>
> 2010/5/25 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com>:
>> Utan prickar =E4r b=E4ttre, renare.
>> Bra och skalbar logga annars.
>> // Adde
>>
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Gr=E5a prickarna beh=F6vs f=F6r helheten, tycker jag, men b=F6r vara =E4nnu=
 ljusare s=E5
de inte uppfattas som tecken.

De =E4r nu lika ljusa/m=F6rka som prickarna i O:et, vilket ger fel budskap =
(d=E5
prickarna i O:et =E4r en del av O:et - prickarna mellan bokst=E4verna b=E4r=
 dock
ingen betydelse)

Den 25 maj 2010 13.20 skrev Hedvig Kamp <hedvig.ka@gmail.com>:

> Riktigt snygg! :D
>
> 2010/5/25 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com>
>
>> Utan prickar =E4r b=E4ttre, renare.
>> Bra och skalbar logga annars.
>>
>
> H=E5ller med!
>
> -- Hedda
>
>
>> // Adde
>>
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Gr=E5a prickarna beh=F6vs f=F6r helheten, tycker jag, men b=F6r vara =E4nnu=
 ljusare s=E5 de inte uppfattas som tecken.<br><br>De =E4r nu lika ljusa/m=
=F6rka som prickarna i O:et, vilket ger fel budskap (d=E5 prickarna i O:et =
=E4r en del av O:et - prickarna mellan bokst=E4verna b=E4r dock ingen betyd=
else)<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 25 maj 2010 13.20 skrev Hedvig Kamp <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hedvig.ka@gmail.com">hedvig.ka@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1e=
x;">
Riktigt snygg! :D<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">2010/=
5/25 Andreas Hedstr=F6m <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ahedstrom@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">ahedstrom@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204=
, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

Utan prickar =E4r b=E4ttre, renare.<div class=3D"im"><div>Bra och skalbar l=
ogga annars.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>H=E5ller med!<br>=A0<br>-- He=
dda<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1p=
x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

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Hej G=F6ran!

Ja, det hade varit kul att komma och lyssna, fast tyv=E4rr var jag =

uppbokad p=E5 annat.

Ang=E5ende SIMULA eller Simula. Jag har sett b=E5da s=E4ttena att skriva. I =

mina gamla b=F6cker fr=E5n tidigt 80-tal st=E5r det SIMULA p=E5 omslagen sa=
mt p=E5 =

sidhuvuden men Simula i l=F6pande text. Delvis kan SIMULA i sidhuvudena =

bero p=E5 att om man skulle h=E5lla ner tryckkostnaderna p=E5 den tiden kun=
de =

man inte laborera med fetstil, kursiv stil och andra "finesser".

Jo, jag Olle B=E4lter och Per H=E4gglund skrev boken "Objektorienterad =

Programmering i Smalltalk" som kom ut 1995 och som finns i sin fulla =

version som pdf p=E5 adressen du n=E4mner.

Ang=E5ende Gosling har jag inte hittat avhandlingen i mina h=F6gar =E4n. Me=
n =

jag hittade f=F6ljande p=E5 n=E4tet (d=E4r Dennis Ritchie, Bjarne Stroustru=
p, =

och James Gosling intervjuvas), =

http://www.gotw.ca/publications/c_family_interview.htm:
Q: What languages, or features of languages, inspired you?
Gosling: They're all over the map. Using Lisp, the thing that influenced =

me the most was the incredible difference garbage collection made. Using =

Simula and being a local maintainer of the Simula compiler was really =

what introduced me to objects and got me thinking about objects. Using =

languages like Pascal got me really thinking about modeling. Languages =

like Modula-3 really pushed things like exception mechanisms. I've used =

a lot of languages, and a lot of them have been influential. You can go =

through everything in Java and say, "this came from there, and this came =

from there."

H=E4lsningar
Bj=F6rn

On 2010-05-20 11:48, G=F6ran Krampe wrote:
> Hej Bj=F6rn!
>
> Synd att du inte kunde komma ig=E5r!
>
> F=F6r =F6vrigt, Bj=F6rn har skrivit den enda (?) boken om Smalltalk p=E5 =

> svenska (tillsammans med Olle B=E4lter var det va?). Finns h=E4r:
>
> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/Swedish/OOPmST.pdf
>
> On 05/20/2010 01:40 AM, Bj=F6rn Eiderb=E4ck wrote:
>> Hej!
>>
>> D=E5 jag en g=E5ng, i forntiden (i datalogisk mening, det var tidigt
>> 80-tal), l=E4ste p=E5 Universitetet/KTH s=E5 anv=E4ndes Simula som f=F6r=
sta och
>> fr=E4msta programmeringsspr=E5k p=E5 dom inledande kurserna.
>> Allt vad ett OO-spr=E5k ska ha fanns d=E4r (om man nu inte f=F6rl=E4st s=
ig p=E5
>> Bertrand Meyers definition i hans (i =F6vrigt) utm=E4rkta bok
>> "Object-Oriented Software Construction", fast f=F6rsta upplagan kom 1988,
>> dvs klart senare =E4n d=E5 jag l=E4ste dessa kurser, i vilken v=E4l bara=
 Eiffel
>> platsar som objektorienterat spr=E5k).
>> Min uppfattning var att dom som verkligen anv=E4nt Simula, eller
>> =E5tminstone gjort lite mer seri=F6sa tester, ans=E5g att spr=E5ket var =
"general
>> purpose". Det var v=E4l mer dom som aldrig anv=E4nt Simula som tillskrev=
 det
>> "att bara vara ett spr=E5k f=F6r simulering".
>
> Ja, men som jag f=F6rst=E5tt det s=E5 var det den "bilden" av OO i SIMULA =

> som i viss m=E5n ocks=E5 kommunicerades av "SIMULA sj=E4lvt"? (jag envisa=
s =

> med versaler, men jag tror det ska vara s=E5).
>
> Hur som helst, SIMULA var helt klart f=F6rst med "objekt" i =

> programmatisk bem=E4rkelse, men jag vidh=E5ller nog att Smalltalk var =

> f=F6rst med "object oriented" - tanken att driva det till sin spets.
>
>> Sutherlands SketchPad, fr=E5n 1963, var v=E4l mer en editor, men hade m=
=E5nga
>> nymodigheter som direktmanipulation av grafiska objekt (ja d=E4r =E4r
>> objekten), constrains mm. Men jag h=E5ller inte med om att det =E4r oo i=
 den
>> meningen vi brukar tillskriva oo-spr=E5k.
>
> Nej, helt riktigt - men ifall man letar efter "objekt" i n=E5gon =

> liknande form s=E5 var den nog "f=F6rst". :)
>
>> Ang=E5ende Gosling och Java, men varning detta =E4r nog bara en skr=F6na=
, s=E5
>> har jag h=F6rt att Sun egentligen ville anv=E4nda Smalltalk men att en
>> dominant p=E5 omr=E5det ville ha alldeles f=F6r mycket betalt. S=E5 d=E5=
 gjorde
>> man ett eget spr=E5k ist=E4llet: Oak, sedemera kallat Java. Fast det =E4=
r som
>> sagt f=F6rmodligen bara en skr=F6na.
>
> Har l=E4st om det d=E4r ocks=E5, tror det ligger n=E5t sant i det.
>
>> En anekdot: James Gosling skrev en i min mening mycket l=E4svard
>> doktorsavhandling redan 1983, "The Algebraic Manipulation of
>> Constraints". H=E4r var det, om jag inte minns helt tokigt, en massa
>> exempel i Lisp (jag har avhandlingen liggande i n=E5gon h=F6g n=E5gonsta=
ns,
>> men det kan nog ta flera timmar att leta fram den och bekr=E4fta
>> inneh=E5llet). S=E5 jag k=E4nde till honom redan innan Javas tillkomst. =
S=E5
>> denna lapsus passerade kanske mig enklare =E4n dig G=F6ran ;-).
>
> Va fasen, hade han koll p=E5 Lisp ocks=E5? D=E5 har han banne mig ingen =

> urs=E4kt alls! :)
>
> mvh G=F6ran
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Subject: Re: Logga till foss-sthlm redux
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>
> Ja, att stava r=C3=A4tt kunde ju ha varit bra. F=C3=B6r de som inte orkar=
 (eller
> inte har verktyg f=C3=B6r att) l=C3=A4gga p=C3=A5 patchen sj=C3=A4lva s=
=C3=A5 har ni den
> r=C3=A4ttstavade varianten, med och utan sm=C3=A5 gr=C3=A5a "pixlar", h=
=C3=A4r.
>

Jag gjorde de gr=C3=A5 pixlarna svarta, det =C3=A4r n=C3=A4stan trevligare =
om man vill ha
pixlar tycker jag.

Bah, varf=C3=B6r har vi s=C3=A5 m=C3=A5nga snygga f=C3=B6rslag?

--=20
Elis "Etu" Axelsson
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">Ja, att stava r=C3=A4tt kunde ju ha varit bra. F=C3=B6r de som inte orkar=
 (eller</div>
inte har verktyg f=C3=B6r att) l=C3=A4gga p=C3=A5 patchen sj=C3=A4lva s=C3=
=A5 har ni den<br>
r=C3=A4ttstavade varianten, med och utan sm=C3=A5 gr=C3=A5a &quot;pixlar&qu=
ot;, h=C3=A4r.<br></blockquote></div><br>Jag gjorde de gr=C3=A5 pixlarna sv=
arta, det =C3=A4r n=C3=A4stan trevligare om man vill ha pixlar tycker jag.<=
div><br></div><div>Bah, varf=C3=B6r har vi s=C3=A5 m=C3=A5nga snygga f=C3=
=B6rslag?<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>Elis &quot;Etu&quot; Axelsson<br>+46 70 425 12 98<br>-----<br>Pl=
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Hej!

Jag vill tipsa om FSCONS[0] som =E4r en konferens om fritt samh=E4lle
och fri programvara. Sj=E4lv har jag n=E4rvarat alla =E5r och givit f=F6red=
rag
de tv=E5 senaste =E5ren, jag har =E4ven sett folk som h=E4nger p=E5 denna
lista ge f=F6redrag tidigare =E5r. FSCONS h=E5ller h=F6g klass och =E4r v=
=E4ldigt
intressant, =E4ven f=F6r folk som har fler intressen =E4n renodlat tekniska.

Konferensen =E4r i G=F6teborg den 5-7 november 2010. Praktisk
information f=F6r deltagare dyker upp i ett litet senare skede.

Det g=E5r ju sj=E4lvklart att bidra till konferensen ocks=E5 (p=E5 andra s=
=E4tt =E4n
att "bara" deltaga), t ex genom att ge f=F6redrag, workshops eller
dylikt. D=F6d linje f=F6r Call for participation =E4r den 31 juli, se mer i=
nfo p=E5
hemsidan. [1]


[0] http://fscons.org/
[1] http://fscons.org/cfp


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Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt lyckats =
producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.

Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?

Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande

/Claes



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Kanske en omr=F6stningssida kan l=F6sa detta problem?
Jag tycker loggan ser helt OK ut (igen, f=F6r tydlighetens skull)

// Adde

2010/5/28 Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>

> Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt lyckats
> producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.
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> Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?
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> Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande
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> /Claes
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Kanske en omr=F6stningssida kan l=F6sa detta problem?<div>Jag tycker loggan=
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborati=
vt anti-kaos faktiskt lyckats producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.<br>
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Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?<br>
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Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande<br>
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:57:24 +0200
Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kanske en omr=F6stningssida kan l=F6sa detta problem?
> Jag tycker loggan ser helt OK ut (igen, f=F6r tydlighetens skull)
> =

> // Adde
> =

> 2010/5/28 Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>
> =

> > Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt lyckats
> > producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.
> >
> > Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?
> >
> > Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande
> >
> > /Claes
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
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Jag tycker den loggan blev riktigt lyckad. Jag l=E4gger iallafall min r=F6s=
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+1


2010/5/28 Daniel Kuehn <enhaisa@gmail.com>

> On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:57:24 +0200
> Andreas Hedstr=F6m <ahedstrom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kanske en omr=F6stningssida kan l=F6sa detta problem?
> > Jag tycker loggan ser helt OK ut (igen, f=F6r tydlighetens skull)
> >
> > // Adde
> >
> > 2010/5/28 Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>
> >
> > > Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt lyck=
ats
> > > producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.
> > >
> > > Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?
> > >
> > > Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande
> > >
> > > /Claes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
> > > http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
> > >
> > >
>
> Jag tycker den loggan blev riktigt lyckad. Jag l=E4gger iallafall min r=
=F6st p=E5
> den :P
>
> --
> Mvh
> Daniel Kuehn, 073-181 577 2
> Data@UrService
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+1<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/28 Daniel Kuehn <span dir=
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<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:57:24 +0200<br>
Andreas Hedstr=F6m &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ahedstrom@gmail.com">ahedstrom@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Kanske en omr=F6stningssida kan l=F6sa detta problem?<br>
&gt; Jag tycker loggan ser helt OK ut (igen, f=F6r tydlighetens skull)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; // Adde<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2010/5/28 Claes Jakobsson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:claes@versed.se">claes=
@versed.se</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Verkar som vi i n=E5gon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt =
lyckats<br>
&gt; &gt; producera en logga som k=E4nns bra.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Kan vi enas om att k=F6ra p=E5 den bifogade?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; /Claes<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/" target=3D"_blank">http://f=
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&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div>Jag tycker den loggan blev riktigt lyckad. Jag l=E4gger iallafa=
ll min r=F6st p=E5<br>
den :P<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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Kul att det evolveras! :)

Av de som "fyller ut" en rektangel gillar jag den med adderade gråa 
pixlar bäst:
http://pud.se/~dal/foss-sthlm/martin/foss_sthlm_logo2-3.svg

Om vi ska göra nån röstning så är en annan favorit foss_sthlm_logo2-1.svg
 (bifogad, den har inte kommit upp på sajten)

Tycker det blir lite glest/svårläst på foss_sthlm_logo2-2.svg
men det är ganska subtila detaljer vi är nere på nu, de flesta
senare förslagen här tycker jag ändå funkar fint (inklusive 2-2:an) !

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>
>
> 2010/5/28 Daniel Kuehn <enhaisa@gmail.com>
>
>   
>> On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:57:24 +0200
>> Andreas Hedström <ahedstrom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Kanske en omröstningssida kan lösa detta problem?
>>> Jag tycker loggan ser helt OK ut (igen, för tydlighetens skull)
>>>
>>> // Adde
>>>
>>> 2010/5/28 Claes Jakobsson <claes@versed.se>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Verkar som vi i någon form av kollaborativt anti-kaos faktiskt lyckats
>>>> producera en logga som känns bra.
>>>>
>>>> Kan vi enas om att köra på den bifogade?
>>>>
>>>> Kudos till Marin och alla andra som varit inblandande
>>>>
>>>> /Claes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/
>>>> http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foss-sthlm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>> Jag tycker den loggan blev riktigt lyckad. Jag lägger iallafall min röst på
>> den :P
>>
>> --
>> Mvh
>> Daniel Kuehn, 073-181 577 2
>> Data@UrService
>> Homepage: http://www.dataaturservice.se
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